Not sure where this should go but.........

[Gordon Steadman]

....... ye gods, if she's like this at 9 years old what the hell she be capable of by the time she's grown?? Obviously there is a lot to learn but I find the control and power just unbelievable for one so young

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[Oldpinkman]

Oh wow. Mrs S in tears. I try to avoid these bloody shows, but seem to be surrounded by folk who love em. She is undoubtedly class for 9 years old

I thought you didn't like fat warblers :scratch:

:D

[Gordon Steadman]

Oh wow. Mrs S in tears. I try to avoid these bloody shows, but seem to be surrounded by folk who love em. She is undoubtedly class for 9 years old

I thought you didn't like fat warblers :scratch:

:D

I don't have a TV so can't watch the shows - lucky me.

The point of course is, that the sweet young thing is neither fat nor a warbler. Her tone seemed well held and if there was a tremolo, it was minimal. She just sang out. Its the over emphased tremolo that I find so off putting. I don't like it on violin either. It should be for effect not the very basis of the performance. Drives me potty.

I like the music but so often, the singer doesn't make me feel connected.

I do hope she is allowed to develop naturally and not hyped into becoming a 'star' too soon. The Dutch I have met seem well grounded so there is hope.

[Andrei]

Its the over emphased tremolo that I find so off putting. I don't like it on violin either. It should be for effect not the very basis of the performance. Drives me potty.

With you there 100% Gordon. Tremolo / vibrato is, I'm afraid, a fashion - and there are few more powerful forces around.

[Oldpinkman]

Oh boy you've done it now. I should really make her type this herself. The warbling is not artistic interpretation its physical weakness. Even with training she won't be able to hold a steady note till she matures (20?). She has to develop her diaphragm - like a weight lifter in a gym (I warned you about her left hook Steadman!).

And the last note wasn't the one Puccini wrote. And she sang the wrong words.

But pretty f*****g good for 9 years old. Would you like Sue to sing it for you?

:cool:

[Andrei]

The warbling is not artistic interpretation its physical weakness. Even with training she won't be able to hold a steady note till she matures (20?).
And the last note wasn't the one Puccini wrote. And she sang the wrong words.
How do you know all this stuff Richard?

[Audio Al]

Oh wow. Mrs S in tears. I try to avoid these bloody shows, but seem to be surrounded by folk who love em. She is undoubtedly class for 9 years old

I thought you didn't like fat warblers :scratch:

:D

Richard

Did you miss the bit ( She is 9 years old )

I can make allowances due to age , can you ?

[Gordon Steadman]

How do you know all this stuff Richard?

His wife is a pro singer Andrei. One of dem 'fat warblin' wimmin' I keep going on about:sofa:

[Gordon Steadman]

But pretty f*****g good for 9 years old. Would you like Sue to sing it for you?

:cool:

Over the phone or do I get the CD?

[Oldpinkman]

Al
I noted she was 9 in my first post. And said "pretty f******g good for 9" in my 2nd. I was just explaining that the "vibrato" would be an (unavoidable) technique issue, not artistic interpretation.

Yes gordon, sue is a trained soprano but has asked me to point out- a size 10.

:ner:

[Oldpinkman]

Over the phone or do I get the CD?

I thought you were making us tea :doh:

Do you want me to fiddle about producing a backing track (cos I'm not hiring an orchestra) or will you take it acapella?

[Gordon Steadman]

I thought you were making us tea :doh:

Do you want me to fiddle about producing a backing track (cos I'm not hiring an orchestra) or will you take it acapella?
We have guitars here, you can twiddle a bit if you wish.

If you want tea, talk to Ronnie. Poisonous stuff, I don't know how she drinks so much. I do coffee or wine.

[Oldpinkman]

Guitar???
You think I can work out a guitar arrangement for*puccinis O mio babbino caro? You're havin a bubble! Its from the opera gianni schichi. Let me know when you've got it down confidently and I'll bring the soprano.

Maybe we'll wander out to the studio after tennis. If I let her win...:eyebrows:

You have to be so carefull with sopranos egos. Have you heard a soprano warming up? Doh rey mi ... me me ME ME ME! :lol:

[MikeMusic]

Very good

Stunning for her age

[Andrei]

His wife is a pro singer Andrei. One of dem 'fat warblin' wimmin' I keep going on about:sofa:
I seeee, I think .... you mean like Pavarotti or Jesse?

[Oldpinkman]

I seeee, I think .... you mean like Pavarotti or Jesse?

I think she might have preferred Maria Callas, Montsarrat Caballe, even Kiri Te Kanawa. Actually, she regularly tries to compare herself to Katherine Jenkins, in spite of the fact that she is a mezzo and not a soprano, and has a noticeably larger war chest.

She notes Gordon that you have referred to her as a "pro" and "one of those fat warblin' women" and assures me that once fully recovered from her gynae surgery this week her left hook will be returned to form. In fact she studied with John Wakefield at Trinity College graduating in 1988. They have a class reunion planned for 2 weeks time. Class mates include Jason Howard, her ex-husband Toby Barrett (who was with D'Oyley carte) and "Winston" who plays trombone for Jools Holland

On the subject of excessive vibrato, what are your thoughts on the following musicians. Jimmy Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Gary Moore, Steve Vai, Dave Gilmour.

Dave Gilmour has made it a personal art form, with a trademark slow vibrato which is almost a string bend sequence. ie the 2nd and 3rd solos of "shine on you crazy diamond" as classic examples. I really don't think Jaqueline Du Pre's version of Elgar's Cello concerto would benefit from removing the wobble. Are you sure this isn't just a hifi geek obsession worrying about speed stability on their flaky turntables (I say that Andrei safe in the knowledge you are a 24 bit boy and so won't take offence)

:cool:

[Gordon Steadman]

On the subject of excessive vibrato, what are your thoughts on the following musicians. Jimmy Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Gary Moore, Steve Vai, Dave Gilmour.

Dave Gilmour has made it a personal art form, with a trademark slow vibrato which is almost a string bend sequence. ie the 2nd and 3rd solos of "shine on you crazy diamond" as classic examples. I really don't think Jaqueline Du Pre's version of Elgar's Cello concerto would benefit from removing the wobble.

:cool:

I take your point but....... there is vibrato and excessive vibrato. You forgot BB King who does his a bit quicker, all the others are amateurs anyway. When it fits the music and doesn't take away from the musical experience that's fine. However, there are some singers and some violinists that I just cannot listen to because all I hear is the warblin'. Its fine on the hifi as I can switch them off. When its live, I have never been rude enough to walk out half way through a concert so I just have to sit and suffer.

I don't have TT speed worries. Rock solid according to my strobe and more importantly, Ronnie's ears. Apart from that, as you know, my hifi is perfect so I don't have to worry about such stuff:)