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Ninanina
26-09-2013, 21:50
Think it is now time to have a flying post, all of it's own....
Geoff maybe this is the place to put all your very obscure planes for us to try and guess at
This is the stuff I'm used to flying...
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walpurgis
26-09-2013, 22:10
Here's one to kick off with:
http://i43.tinypic.com/34zaw4o.jpg
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 22:25
Looks like a forerunner to the B-52 Stratofortress..... let me look into that one further..... ; )
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 22:27
CONVAIR YB-60...... maybe...
walpurgis
26-09-2013, 22:54
Yup!
It replaced the spectacular looking B-36.
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 22:58
Geoff
Just to let you know I am no expert on planes, though I do have a deep seated interest
I'm just pretty good on searching for stuff..... :D:D:D:D:D
The Grand Wazoo
26-09-2013, 22:59
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6bHU2Yrt3W0/TEq534hnBtI/AAAAAAAAANE/2kWLf9OB3bo/s640/Paper-Aeroplane-Thunder-Bomber.jpg
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:00
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6bHU2Yrt3W0/TEq534hnBtI/AAAAAAAAANE/2kWLf9OB3bo/s640/Paper-Aeroplane-Thunder-Bomber.jpg
Nice one Chris...... I've NO idea what that is but I bet it's a good'n
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:01
F-15 at a silly guess...... :scratch::scratch::scratch:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6bHU2Yrt3W0/TEq534hnBtI/AAAAAAAAANE/2kWLf9OB3bo/s640/Paper-Aeroplane-Thunder-Bomber.jpg
That's the one Status Quo sang about
The Grand Wazoo
26-09-2013, 23:16
(Audi) A4!
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:18
To give you an idea of how sad I am..... everytime I see the Vulcan fly I am in tears.... I give every bit of money I can to the Vulcan Trust, and I even have my name in the Bomb Bay.... there are other planes that have me in tears but not so much as the Vulcan..... just recently seen her loveliness fly at Dunsfold Wheels and Wings....... a real treat :violin::violin::violin:
walpurgis
26-09-2013, 23:29
I'm just pretty good on searching for stuff
Same here.
I do know a lot of planes though. (and cars and bikes and Hi-fi and cameras. Makes me sound boring really :))
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:34
Same here.
I do know a lot of planes though. (and cars and bikes and Hi-fi and cameras. Makes me sound boring really :))
Nooooooo not boring at all, well not as far as I'm concerned.... yep I can do cars too, cameras were a big thing with me some time ago so don't know how I'd do now, motorbikes I love but not sure how well I'd fair with them.... and hifi....... I've just NO idea..... :lolsign:
Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:37
My favourite bike was this beauty.... Honda Hornet 600
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Ninanina
26-09-2013, 23:47
And my favourite cars that I've actually owned are:
The amazing Alfasud for the shear fun factor and the sound of it's exhaust.... amazing...
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And my simply incredible Mercedes Benz E-Class W124 E300D diesel Auto, which is now 23 years old and has over 300,000 on the clock. The build quality is second to none and my next car, if this one ever breaks down, will be another W124....... or I may go crazy and get another Alfa as I promised myself I would one day.....
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But then I am a bit of a petrol head...... :):):)
Without resorting to Google at all I am pretty sure your new avatar is a Black Widow Geoff, although I forget the full designation ;)
Ninanina
27-09-2013, 00:27
Dave
Is your avatar......Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow ?
What are you lot like? I turn my back for a few minutes...
Well, I can't do Concorde or the Lockheed Starfighter again. I always thought these look proper menacing:
http://www.swedecar.com/images/photos/saab_large/Saab%2037%20Viggen.jpg
wee tee cee
27-09-2013, 06:37
My good lady got myself and son a supercar track day at east fortune in Fife.....I thought was track based and studied you tube, he has a weight advantage over me so every bit helps.
Turned out it was the Air field runway......pish cone lay out thing BUT parked next to us was the Vulcan bomber ( we bought my dad the sponsorship to the pilots sun visor for Christmas) well impressed.......
Dave
Is your avatar......Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow ?
It is indeed Bev. The fighter that worried the US government and aerospace industry so much they endeavored to use every diplomatic and not so diplomatic trick in the book to kill it off. They succeeded of course.... :mental:
What are you lot like? I turn my back for a few minutes...
Well, I can't do Concorde or the Lockheed Starfighter again. I always thought these look proper menacing:
http://www.swedecar.com/images/photos/saab_large/Saab%2037%20Viggen.jpg
I have sat inside a Viggen Martin, shame it was only on the the tarmac though. A very impressive and imposing airplane
Bit of a Concorde nut myself, and sadly miss that lovely distant whomp-bomp that rumbled over Devon every evening as the Paris-JFK lit up down the channel.
If you're interested in what an astonishing device it was, there's 80 pages of reminiscences from aircrew, cabin crew, ground staff, passengers and others here: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/423988-concorde-question.html . Starts off with a question about the lack of an APU and just develops from there. If you can follow that bit about how the engines only contribute about 10% of the thrust at MAch 2, you're doing better than me!
A little reminder:
http://users.skynet.be/roland/Blue/Concorde-118.jpg
Bit of a Concorde nut myself, and sadly miss that lovely distant whomp-bomp that rumbled over Devon every evening as the Paris-JFK lit up down the channel.
If you're interested in what an astonishing device it was, there's 80 pages of reminiscences from aircrew, cabin crew, ground staff, passengers and others here: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/423988-concorde-question.html . Starts off with a question about the lack of an APU and just develops from there. If you can follow that bit about how the engines only contribute about 10% of the thrust at MAch 2, you're doing better than me!
A little reminder:
http://users.skynet.be/roland/Blue/Concorde-118.jpg
My grandparents on my Mum's side used to live in Putney when they were still with us, right under the flightpath into Heathrow. Whenever my sister and I would go to stay with them my Grandad, who was always in awe that man could fly at supersonic speeds, would take us out into their small garden a few minute before Concorde was due in from Bahrain or the States. There was always a look of total wonder on his face as that gorgeous shape swept majestically across the sky just a few hundred feet above us. His enthusiasm was highly infectious... :)
On some Friday evenings I would get myself a kebab and find a spot to park at the end of a runway at Heathrow to scoff my kebab and have my insides jangled to bits when old Conky took off. By heck that machine could make some din :eyebrows:
On some Friday evenings I would get myself a kebab and find a spot to park at the end of a runway at Heathrow to scoff my kebab and have my insides jangled to bits when old Conky took off. By heck that machine could make some din :eyebrows:
Oh yeah, she did like to draw attention to herself in every way possible ;)
I got all nostalgic after writing my previous post remembering the types of airliner which were flitting about the sky back in the 1970's. Lot's of 747's of course, early Boeing 737's (737 100's?), and also 727's were everywhere together with McDonnel Douglas DC9's. Hawker Siddeley Trident's and BAC 1-11's too, another noisy old bugger, as well as the beautiful Vickers VC10, which still holds the world record for being the fastest sub-sonic passenger airliner, max speed being 610mph IIRC. Then there were the prop aircraft: Fokker Friendships were prevalent, as were Vickers Viscounts and Bristol Brittania's. Strangely, the harmonic tone of these turboprop planes is replicated these days by some of the larger twin engined jets as they negotiate final approach with engines on low thrust settings, an evocative sound for sure :)
Oh yeah, she did like to draw attention to herself in every way possible ;)
I got all nostalgic after writing my previous post remembering the types of airliner which were flitting about the sky back in the 1970's. Lot's of 747's of course, early Boeing 737's (737 100's?), and also 727's were everywhere together with McDonnel Douglas DC9's. Hawker Siddeley Trident's and BAC 1-11's too, another noisy old bugger, as well as the beautiful Vickers VC10, which still holds the world record for being the fastest sub-sonic passenger airliner, max speed being 610mph IIRC. Then there were the prop aircraft: Fokker Friendships were prevalent, as were Vickers Viscounts and Bristol Brittania's. Strangely, the harmonic tone of these turboprop planes is replicated these days by some of the larger twin engined jets as they negotiate final approach with engines on low thrust settings, an evocative sound for sure :)
I think that highlights just how many different types of aircraft there were back in those days Dave.
I look up at the planes flying overhead nowadays and the only real difference between them is either two engines to look at or four :rolleyes:
My first flights were in Britannias. 22 hours to Mauritius with three fuel stops! The Super VC10 was a stunning aircraft and very loud if you were behind one taking off.
Reminds me: does anyone else watch Ice Pilots, about Buffalo Airways in northern Canada? Fascinating, and their mix of DC-3, DC-4, C-46 and Electras are a wonderful fleet of old aircraft still in service.
Ali Tait
27-09-2013, 11:42
Aye, watch that all the time. Great planes.
the beautiful Vickers VC10, which still holds the world record for being the fastest sub-sonic passenger airliner, max speed being 610mph IIRC.
Fabulous thing - such a shame that Vickers got royally shafted by BOAC (aka the 'Boeing Only Aircraft Corporation'). I think less than 40 VC10's were ever produced, not sure of the number of Supers, but they may be included in that total. You're right re the record - the VC10 holds it as the aircraft which has made the fastest ever subsonic trans-Atlantic flight.
The Super VC10 was quiet inside the cabin, too, with all the engines at the rear.
Ninanina
27-09-2013, 19:20
Bit of a Concorde nut myself,
Shane I am COMPLETELY with you on the Concorde
How on earth did we allow this quite remarkable aircraft to go into retirement????? It's beyond me
It is very rare that once conquering a new technology do we go backwards, but somehow we allowed this to happen when we ceased using the Concorde, a tragedy
Not only did we stop using this remarkable aircraft but we haven't even kept one in flying condition; if it were an American aircraft I am quite sure this would never have happened
Even more tragically once we retired the Concorde we had to chop off some of their wingspan to fit them around our road systems to take them to their final resting place
I did want to start a collection of Concorde memorabilia but only got as far as an official model, given to Concorde passengers, and an official menu... :doh::doh:
I used to watch Concorde fly overhead twice a day when I lived in Sonning. It was impossible not to look up, so beautiful was the sight. There will never be anything like that aircraft ever again and it's a crying shame that we don't even have a replacement for it.
I will never forgive BA and Air France for blocking the sale of some of the aircraft to Richard Branson, he was willing to throw money at the airframes to prevent any repeat of the tragic accident which caused all this :(
Ninanina
27-09-2013, 20:02
I will never forgive BA and Air France for blocking the sale of some of the aircraft to Richard Branson, he was willing to throw money at the airframes to prevent any repeat of the tragic accident which caused all this :(
I totally agree Dave
Many other aircraft have suffered failures but most have never been grounded like the Concorde was after her accident. Again if it was an American aircraft it would not have been grounded.... but as soon as the Concorde had a slight mishap not only was she grounded but all hell broke loose
If you asked me to fly in one of the remaining Concorde's straight after her accident I would have leaped at the chance; I believe them to be totally safe and no risk to me
If you read enough about British aircraft developments you soon realise that we have squandered our lead in technology, be it in jet engine development or breaking the sound barrier the same story applies; we British are superb innovators but somehow don't have the money investment to ensure our lead
Makes me cry really but that's the British for ya...!! :(:(
The biggest loss of all was HOTOL, which was killed off after Ronald Reagan persuaded Maggie Thatcher to close the project down because it would fatally damage the Shuttle program... :steam:
Ninanina
27-09-2013, 20:15
The biggest loss of all was HOTOL, which was killed off after Ronald Reagan persuaded Maggie Thatcher to close the project down because it would fatally damage the Shuttle program... :steam:
What he said.... !! :mental::mental:
We still lead the way in quiet, powerful jet engines thanks to Rolls Royce. They are a very innovative company and I hope they continue to compete well against P&W and GE.
wee tee cee
28-09-2013, 06:48
The mere mention of Maggie Thatcher brought a tear to my eye ( of joy, now......I am Scottish after all)
Even more tragically once we retired the Concorde we had to chop off some of their wingspan to fit them around our road systems to take them to their final resting place
It's true that the way some of the BA fleet have been treated is very sad. G-BOAA in Scotland had her wings clipped in a brutal fashion, G-BOAB is rotting in a damp corner of Heathrow, G-BOAF is sitting a Filton whilst the runway where she took her first flight is torn up around her, G-BOAG is corroding in the salt spray from the Hudson river in the deck of the USS enterprise and G-BOAE is sitting in the rain in Seattle of all places, but all is not lost. After seven years outdoors, G-BOAC has had a wonderful exhibition centre built around her at Manchester Airport and is in excellent condition, and G-BOAG is being similarly cherished at Grantley Adams in Barbados. Both are viable for return to flight if only the money and the will could be found.
Of the French fleet, one of course was lost at Gonesse, and one was scrapped after a terminally damaging hard landing in the 90s, but F-WTSB is in the one place where the necessary work to return to flight could be done most easily, IE Airbus HQ in Toulouse, and F-WTSB at Paris CDG is the only Concorde still "alive", having his (the French ones are always "he" for some reason) hydraulic and electrical systems regularly maintained and powered up.
Will they ever fly again? It doesn't seem likely. The millions raised to get a Vulcan back in the air would pale into insignificance next to the cost of even getting a Concorde into a state where it's engines could be started up, never mind airborne at 60,000' and 1300MPH. Figures of £50m - £100m have been bandied about, but from another point of view, thats about how much it costs to run a Formla One team, and there's eleven of them! The biggest obstacles are BA and Airbus. BA still own all their airframes which are on loan to the various museums, and there are strict clauses stating that no attempt should be made to power up any systems. Officially, all the aircraft systems were permanently disabled, but the decommissioning engineers were famously less than thorough in the task given to them. Indeed, major unofficial steps were taken a couple of years ago by a group of ex-BA engineers and enthusiasts to get AC's hydraulics and electrics powered up, ostensibly to allow the nose to be lowered to replace a broken windscreen panel, but BA got a bit cross abut that, and the museum was forced to stop the work on "health and safety" grounds. Before any of these wonder machines could fly again, they would have to get certification from the CAA, and the complexity and cost of that excercise would be staggering. If BA and Airbus got together and decided to do it, no doubt it would happen, but without their backing, it simply won't. The French aircraft are actually owned by the museums they reside in, so one obstacle is removed, but Airbus still remains.
The reasons why Concorde was taken out of service have little to do with Gonesse and everything to do with politics and national pride. BA ran their fleet eventually as a highly profitable enterprise. The French never managed to do that. After Gonesse, most of both fleets were extensively (and expensively) modified to ensure that such a thing could not happen again, and both fleets returned to service fully airworthy for a couple of years, but by then the world was a different place. 911 had killed something like a third of the regular passenger base and had seriously discouraged the rest, so the market for Concorde simply vanished. Air France pulled the plug on their fleet and Airbus leapt at the chance to withdraw support for the type and save a mountain of cash, so BA were forced to ground and retire theirs, although it has to be said that hey didn't need much persuading. None of those organisations has ever showed the least interest in the aircraft since, and it's unlikely that they ever will.
There are a number of enthusiastic campaign groups (Google is your friend), but a lot of them simply live in cloud cuckoo land. There is a great source of information here http://heritageconcorde.com/ , but even this lot are a bit prone to back-biting and internal strife.
One day, maybe...
The biggest loss of all was HOTOL, which was killed off after Ronald Reagan persuaded Maggie Thatcher to close the project down because it would fatally damage the Shuttle program... :steam:
Hotol may no longer be with us, but son of Hotol is alive and well and living in Oxfordshire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft)
Thanks for the excellent info on the Concordes, Shane.
Haselsh1
28-09-2013, 08:49
One aircraft that used to make me go all goosey was the F6 Lightning. I say the F6 because it was the only variant that had to take off using reheat on both engines due to its extra weight over the T5 and the F3. The reheat on both engines was a sight to experience and living as I do ten miles from RAF Binbrook I got to see them all of the time whilst they were in service. You should've seen them at night with huge flames leaping out of the engines. Rolls Royce Avon 302 turbojets and very eco-unfriendly. Lovin it...!
StanleyB
28-09-2013, 09:47
This thread brought back memories of my days at college in the tropics. I even ended up checking on Google maps if my recollection was as good as the facts. And it is..
The college I went to was at the other side of the main road of the city's airport. So planes flew overhead on a regular basis as they took off. The occasional badly maintained one might start to stutter as it was climbing to clear roofs of the nearby buildings. We used to have an evacuation routine just in case one crashed into the college building. Luckily if they did come down they would end up in the local canal or a nearby football pitch.
I love my pistons; you lot can keep the jets :ner:
I did once see a Concorde flying; but the biggest memory is back around 77-80; so I would have been 9-12 years old.
Anyway it was a sunny clear day; I had just visited the school library and borrow a couple of Cartons.
Leaving I sat Down on the curb with my back to the music rooms.
Engulfed in a Cartoon at some point I looked up and just above me was a J35 Draken..... and then came the roar of the engine.
It came from behind and I have no idea onto why I looked up.
Back then they were allowed to fly much lower during exercises, today I think it is 300 m over open country and 600 m over populated areas.
You can see its iconic profile here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUuXk3kqbAQ
bobbasrah
28-09-2013, 15:18
Engulfed in a Cartoon at some point I looked up and just above me was a J35 Draken..... and then came the roar of the engine.
It came from behind and I have no idea onto why I looked up.
Funny that Jan, had a similar experience many years ago when doing a survey between Pittenweem and Anstruther in Fife in the late 70's....
For some reason my first wife accompanied us and was wandering along the path down from where we were surveying.
Something caught my attention out to sea, and I squinted, then shouted to the other engineer when it dawned on me that it was a plane coming in low and silent.... My wife didn't notice anything until after the pilot had raised the nose and let rip.... she saw the sun go to shadow, she turned, and fell flat on her back in utter fear of this monstrous metal belly head straight at her without warning..
First time I had ever seen a Vulcan that close, we two engineers were deafened and blown by the roar and in utter awe, my wife was still shaking an hour later and smelling somewhat suspect.... I guess such things were less a public safety issue then...
Haselsh1
28-09-2013, 15:30
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab240/Haselsh1/LightningF3atRAFBinbrook1980_zpse04aec0c.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/Haselsh1/media/LightningF3atRAFBinbrook1980_zpse04aec0c.jpg.html)
BAe Lightning F3 flying over RAF Binbrook during the summer of 1980
Around ten this morning we had an Edgley EA7 Optica overfly the house. I've not seen one of these contraptions for quite a while so it was nice to get reaquainted... :)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8541/8754079587_f4cb200cd8_z.jpg
That's another one with a story behind it. I didn't know there were any actually flying.
That's another one with a story behind it. I didn't know there were any actually flying.
Me neither which is why I was very surprised to see one. I'd forgotten how incredibly quiet these aircraft are :)
Another lovely old bus which flies over this area at least twice a week is (or perhaps there are more than one) a DC3 Dakota and I'm guessing it flies a scheduled route. It is usually flying pretty low (at a guess I'd say about 500ft) and you can hear it coming for hours seemingly before it actually hoves into view. You can't beat the sound of those radial engines, so distinctive. During the airshow season we often get members of the Battle Of Britain flight traversing our skies either on their way to or returning from shows, that's quite a sight ;)
wee tee cee
28-09-2013, 19:04
The concorde thread gave me a fond memory.....my dad was a postman driver (retired nearly ten years) who would go onto the run way at various airports and pick up the data post flown in from all over the world to Glasgow,,,,,early hours of one morning there parked on the runway was a Concorde, my dad has always been an aviation fan even to this day. It was all taped off not allowing the plebs anywhere near it. MY Dad explained he had four sons and how much it would mean to him to just touch it and tell his kids.....lo and behold a radio call later a vehicle with hydraulic platform appeared he was raised way up and got to touch the wing.......when he told us we were gob smacked and in even more awe of my dad.
Regards health and safety......2007 IOM TT centenary Douglas prom......jet powered quad doing stunts me standing at the barrier with pint of cider in hand.....guy hits the afterburner-lost half my goatee beard/eye brows and turned round to see an old boy wearing my pint that had been blown out my hand, my mate with me at the time, to this day laughs till tears run down his face....wonderful place- the Isle of Man..... (the land that health and safety got a bleaching and poured back onto the ferry back to shite bag land)!
Probably the strangest thing I ever saw in the sky was when I was a kid living in Epsom in the late 50s or early 60s. Heard a weird noise outside any this went over: http://www.jefflewis.net/graphics/aircraft/Fairey_Rotodyne_2.jpg
Haselsh1
29-09-2013, 07:55
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab240/Haselsh1/AvroVulcanB2_zps38a96e50.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/Haselsh1/media/AvroVulcanB2_zps38a96e50.jpg.html)
Here's the one that causes so much passion with people. Yearning for this thing is akin to yearning for vinyl in a digital age. Give me vinyl anyday...!
No argument there, Shaun.
Another lovely old bus which flies over this area at least twice a week is (or perhaps there are more than one) a DC3 Dakota and I'm guessing it flies a scheduled route. It is usually flying pretty low (at a guess I'd say about 500ft) and you can hear it coming for hours seemingly before it actually hoves into view. You can't beat the sound of those radial engines, so distinctive. During the airshow season we often get members of the Battle Of Britain flight traversing our skies either on their way to or returning from shows, that's quite a sight ;)
Agreed - the Dakota makes a great noise. We live under the flightpath to RAF Coningsby and see the BBMF over our village on regular occasions during the summer. The C-47 just the other day...
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9994975976_dd7134ce48_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/93875151@N07/9994975976/)
Haselsh1
29-09-2013, 14:25
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab240/Haselsh1/H5SquadronPortrait_zpsee0d5221.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/Haselsh1/media/H5SquadronPortrait_zpsee0d5221.jpg.html)
A portrait of power; F6 Lightning taken around 1980 at RAF Binbrook using a Pentax ME with a Vivitar 80-200mm zoom and Agfa 50S film the same as the other Lightning shot previously. This used to be my favourite ever aircraft during its time with the RAF.
Haselsh1
29-09-2013, 14:31
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab240/Haselsh1/F4EPhantom_zpse143c5b3.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/Haselsh1/media/F4EPhantom_zpse143c5b3.jpg.html)
McDonnell Douglas F4E Phantom of the German airforce taken around 1994 at RAF Leeming in North Yorkshire. Taken using a Bronica ETRSi with a 50mm lens and Fuji Provia 100F film. I love this version of the Phantom.
walpurgis
01-10-2013, 09:20
[QUOTE=Gromit;486125]Agreed - the Dakota makes a great noise.QUOTE]
I always thought the Dakota sounded pretty boring compared to other piston powered stuff when I was a youngster.
I grew up close to Notholt airport and used to watch the US Fairchild Packets taking off each day, they sounded far more impressive than the C47s and Avro Ansons that were in regular use there. Occasionally we'd get a maritime Lockheed Neptune or Avro Shackleton in there and they sounded wonderful on take off. The Fairey Gannets sounded mean too. Once in a while we'd get a Beverley or Brittania or even a Constellation in and they looked great flying about.
The Constellation was a gorgeous plane.
Haselsh1
01-10-2013, 21:32
[QUOTE=Gromit;486125]Agreed - the Dakota makes a great noise.QUOTE]
I always thought the Dakota sounded pretty boring compared to other piston powered stuff when I was a youngster.
I grew up close to Notholt airport and used to watch the US Fairchild Packets taking off each day, they sounded far more impressive than the C47s and Avro Ansons that were in regular use there. Occasionally we'd get a maritime Lockheed Neptune or Avro Shackleton in there and they sounded wonderful on take off. The Fairey Gannets sounded mean too. Once in a while we'd get a Beverley or Brittania or even a Constellation in and they looked great flying about.
One thing about the Gannet and the Shackleton is that they both had contra-rotating propellors which would have given them a very distinctive sound as you said.
I live quite near Worksop (Notts) airfield, a small private airfield (which incidentally, IIRC, is in the record books as having the shortest runway in the country) and almost every day recently around mid day we have an old fashioned bi-plane fly over just a few hundred feet in the air I would guess and heading towards said airfield. I'm tempted to say 'Tiger Moth' but I seem to remember the Moth had slightly swept back wings and I think this one's are straight across.
They make a very different noise to the usual mono planes we see heading that way and take me back to around 1951 when I lived briefly near Barton airfield, just outside Manchester and bi-planes from there were 'always' in the air. I think the opening of the M6 (Thelwall?) viaduct near there ended the life of that field.
Dave.
The Grand Wazoo
01-10-2013, 22:04
I live quite near Worksop (Notts) airfield, a small private airfield (which incidentally, IIRC, is in the record books as having the shortest runway in the country).....
Where's that then Dave? Thorpe Salvin?
Where's that then Dave? Thorpe Salvin?
Got it in one, Chris :) .
The Grand Wazoo
01-10-2013, 22:34
I didn't realise you lived that side of Sheffield - I was in Babworth near Retford for 11 years.
One thing about the Gannet and the Shackleton is that they both had contra-rotating propellors which would have given them a very distinctive sound as you said.
Talking of contra-rotating props and distinctive sounds as we were, this baby takes some beating. Don't forget to pipe it through your system at a realistic volume for full effect :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SudzYY_vPU0
The Russians love their contra-rotating props. They had some bombers with a similar setup.
The Russians love their contra-rotating props. They had some bombers with a similar setup.
They do, and the Tu-95 'Bear' is also the fastest prop-driven aircraft in the world. Awesome machine. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9NlAfi6U1c
More from the fabulous Russian Bear...
Here's a pic that I took at Farnborough in 2004 of the Luftwaffe Typhoon landing after it's display, with my clunky old Canon 300D and Tamron 75-300 zoom.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3688/10057233333_e017549466_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/10057233333/)
CRW_1766-crop (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/10057233333/) by alexmastersuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/14548229@N07/), on Flickr
And at take-off at full reheat.. love the shock cones!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7314/10057230273_9aa61c13fb_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/10057230273/)
CRW_1754 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/10057230273/) by alexmastersuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/14548229@N07/), on Flickr
And one of my favourites - The North American Aviation XB70 Valkyrie ... very Gerry Anderson and amazingly advanced considering the state of the art at the time.
http://www.aircraftinformation.info/Images/Valkyrie_06.jpg
http://www.aircraftinformation.info/Images/Valkyrie_10.jpg
The North American Aviation XB70 Valkyrie
I'll bet that's got some speed :stalks:
I'll bet that's got some speed :stalks:
Mach 3.05!.
Only two experimental prototypes were built. One was involved on a fatal mid air collision, and the other is in the Air Force museum in Ohio.
Fantastic looking plane. That goes in my drool list.
My other all time favourite. Twice so far (and now never again) I've watched them performing the "lost man" formation over our local churchyard. Once for my brother-in-law who was SENGO for 1 and 4 Squadrons at Laarbruch, and once for his closest friend who rose from leading 1 Squadron to become C-in-C Air and ultimately second highest ranking officer in the RAF. Hard not to get a lump in the throat at these, which were taken on the last day of Harrier operations. How could they....
Thanks to "oldphotofanatic" on PPRuNe for taking these:
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt200/phredd10/Harrier%20last%20days%20Wittering%20%20and%20Cotte smore/Harriers%20Cottesmore%20Monday%2013th%20December%2 02010/6DSC_0798_1copy2.jpg
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt200/phredd10/Harrier%20last%20days%20Wittering%20%20and%20Cotte smore/9WitteringDec2010.jpg
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt200/phredd10/Harrier%20last%20days%20Wittering%20%20and%20Cotte smore/Harriers%20last%20day%20Cottesmore%20Wednesday%20D ecember%2015/15DSC_0906copy.jpg
Would have liked to have seen one of these:
http://www.sitopromo.it/public/554/upload/image/TSR-2%20219%20transit%20flight%20lo.jpg
walpurgis
03-10-2013, 20:41
Would have liked to have seen one of these:
http://www.sitopromo.it/public/554/upload/image/TSR-2%20219%20transit%20flight%20lo.jpg
Yes the TSR-2 would have been something had it been delivered. I suppose the American F-8 Phantom and F-111 became near equivalents, although I don't think the RAF used the F-111.
Read earlier this week that Airbus finally delivered the first A400M; the big lump can do 780km/h with it's 4 turbo props.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgALWWBg3qs
Intended to replace the old workhorse C-130 Hercules; here seen in a Beach landing on the westcoast of Jutland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8lzX67aeVs
Yes the TSR-2 would have been something had it been delivered. I suppose the American F-8 Phantom and F-111 became near equivalents, although I don't think the RAF used the F-111.
You're right, the RAF never used the F-111 although the Australians bought a number of them.
Don't even get me started re the Harrier - a terrible loss, the Yanks picked up a true bargain there. I've a few mates who were stationed at Wittering who, if you mention the whole issue, turn the air blue. :(
walpurgis
06-10-2013, 10:44
You're right, the RAF never used the F-111(
Shame really. The F-111 was a hell of a plane with a huge performance.
Rare Bird
11-10-2013, 15:27
Sukhoi 'SU-17' great planes for anyone into The MIG '21', English Electric 'Lightning' kind of body styling
The Grand Wazoo
11-10-2013, 15:29
Oi, who let you in?
Rare Bird
11-10-2013, 15:31
I escaped from Coldtiz castle
The Grand Wazoo
11-10-2013, 15:32
Oh yeah? In a glider powered by army-issue knicker elastic, I suppose!
Rare Bird
11-10-2013, 15:32
No Easy Jet :D
The Grand Wazoo
11-10-2013, 15:33
That's what I said isn't it?
Rare Bird
11-10-2013, 15:37
:lolsign:
The Grand Wazoo
11-10-2013, 15:38
He-heh!
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