Vinyl film

[SteveW]

http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/music/film-vinyl-a-story-to-be-heard/?utm_source=Bowers+%26+Wilkins&utm_campaign=2ee501781d-SoS_New_Artist_September_2013_9_11_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_22ec1c80b7-2ee501781d-48765177

[Thing Fish]

Perfectly put. This is why I still only play and collect vinyl. It is organic and somehow sensual...:eyebrows:

I have always thought digital files no matter how large they might be loose some feeling and timbre along the way and I don't care what anyone says about pops and crackles, that's all part of it as far as i'm concerned.

The only good use for digital music as far as i'm concerned is the ability to use it whilst traveling via an iPod etc...

Long may it continue...:D

[Wakefield Turntables]

A really nice way to spend seven minutes. Thanks mate:)

[Audio Al]

:D:):D;)

[ninedecks]

Thumbs up.
You cannot beat a good bit of vinyl.:carrot:

[Clive197]

The digital boys really don't get it do they?

[trio leo]

Many years ago I used to say CD can't match Vinyl, but to be fair I feel CD has improved over the years, whether it's the sound engineering and production of the discs that has improved, or the CDP's have improved, or both maybe, but in the past I just couldn't listen to CD, it was cold and unconnected to me.
The first time I heard CD sound pretty good was at the HiFi shop on a Rega Planet and to be fair it made me appreciate CD could be enjoyable, since then I have heard things get better and better, to date I've heard quite a few CDP's play very enjoyable music indeed and tbh the stand the CDP is on can make a huge difference IME.

For me it's the overall enjoyable experience of playing Vinyl,possessing something tactile, placing the disc on the player, lowering the needle and waiting for the first musical notes to arrive is all part of it, plus I've got about 2,000 LP's and about 20 CD's, I'm too old to start thinking about changing now, but I do get nice results from my CDP, nowadays I feel CD and Vinyl are a bit like chocolate, different flavours but both enjoyable in their own way.
I certainly can't see me going down the ripping/streaming route, but it makes me wonder, when I'm gone will the kids ( kids? the youngest is 27 )want a music system that takes up so much room?

enjoy your music (in whatever format suits you)

regards Al

[Andrei]

but to be fair I feel CD has improved over the years,
I'm more inclined to think it is the CD players that have improved. Build quality, power supplies, output stages, vibration control, and some smart DACs. My Digital setups are better than my LP spinner ... but that may be about to change as I have recently purchased a Techie SL1210! So two tables now, and over the next couple of weeks will do a few mods.

[Audio Al]

I have recently purchased a Techie SL1210!

Seen the light ;)

[peelaaa]

Just wondering whether to keep my collection of 400 cd's or not. I rarely listen to them although I have a good cd player, micromega stage 6. There is just something missing for me that always ensures I play vinyl for when I want to be listen to an album properly other than in background.

Maybe if I invested in a newer cd player then I may hear what cd's should sound like.

Cd design seems to have peaked so maybe I should clean up and buy the best I can afford 2nd hand at a good price.

Remember when cd's first came out and how many of us got rid of the vinyl systems etc. Is it going to go the same way with cd players?

[Thing Fish]

No one can state which is better Vinyl or CD as all ears and perceptions are different.

If you like CD/digital music then so be it. There is no point in trying to get into something which doesn't get your juices flowing.

I like vinyl because it suits my ears, lifestyle, age, the endless need to tweak and the preference to see things moving mechanically.
I can hear a difference so my choice is made.

I hope this thread doesn't decend into another which is best scenario as they are just different and never the twain shall meet

[walpurgis]

Just wondering whether to keep my collection of 400 cd's or not

Keep them. 400 Cds don't take up that much room and I think you may be right. People may well find themselves regretting having got rid of theirs, as CD can sound great and will keep improving, probably becoming more specialised as vinyl did, although vinyl is now becoming a bit more mainstream again just out of fashion.

CD and Vinyl will never sound the same, but I get lovely results from both. If you're not happy with your CD sound, maybe a change of player would help. A cheap way to get good sound would be to buy a Meridian 206 or Pioneer PD-S505 Precision to use as a transport and get the best Theta DAC you can afford, that will give you super CD sound at a sane price. I own these items (and others) and they deliver music.

[SteveW]

Well..getting away from the cd vs vinyl thing for a tic, I loved the way the guy in the film expressed why he loved replay on vinyl.
Mind you..
Here's another wierdo thing though..I subscribe to the B&W Society of Sound for digital downloads and this months one is a new reggae album, analogue recorded...but I have to play it back on digikal. hey ho.

[peelaaa]

Keep them. 400 Cds don't take up that much room and I think you may be right. People may well find themselves regretting having got rid of theirs, as CD can sound great and will keep improving, probably becoming more specialised as vinyl did, although vinyl is now becoming a bit more mainstream again just out of fashion.

CD and Vinyl will never sound the same, but I get lovely results from both. If you're not happy with your CD sound, maybe a change of player would help. A cheap way to get good sound would be to buy a Meridian 206 or Pioneer PD-S505 Precision to use as a transport and get the best Theta DAC you can afford, that will give you super CD sound at a sane price. I own these items (and others) and they deliver music.

Thanks may try that, I do like the sound of the micromega and it has been modified a lot but when comparing the same album from cd and vinyl, the vinyl always draws me in more, cd sounds good initially but doesn't keep the interest. Could be the cd player of course!

I reckon cd can sound great if the playback unit is up to the grade so may have to change my player.

[Clive197]

I hope this is not a CD vs Vinyl debate, as there are never any winners.

On my part 70% of my listening is done digitally from my NAS drive to music that I have ripped from my own CD's.

As I was brought-up with vinyl using a Dansette record player my dad bought when I was about 5 or 6 to my 21st birthday when my parents bought me my first HiFi system, my heart is very much analogue and I fully emphasise with the man on the video. I love the hands on approach, the preening of the record before play, oh hell I'm getting all misty eyed:violin::violin::violin:

[Rare Bird]

No one can state which is better Vinyl or CDee as all ears and perceptions are different.

If you like CD/digital music then so be it. There is no point in trying to get into something which doesn't get your juices flowing.

I like vinyl because it suits my ears, lifestyle, age, the endless need to tweak and the preference to see things moving mechanically.
I can hear a difference so my choice is made.

I hope this thread doesn't decend into another which is best scenario as they are just different and never the twain shall meet

I prefer Vinyl for all the things you pointed out apart from tweeking.. However no way on earth will i be able to afford a large amount of the vinyl records i want hence im forced to use CD because those titles are easy to locate that way.

I have tried no end of CDee players i just cannot stand the sound of Cymbals from CDee, the only salvation up to yet has been from using a 1st generation machine! it seems to make the CD sound more smoothe, it seems to sound more like analogue! i have no idea if this because it lacks the fine detail/resolution of modern players but it certainly makes life a bit more easy on my lug holes..

But if it were not for the outrageous cost of these vinyl i would be 100% Vinyl dedicated..

[Andrei]

i just cannot stand the sound of Cymbals from CDee,

http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/iTube.html
This be just the ticket.

On a related point I do not see it as a competition Vinyl vs CD, or more properly Vinyl vs Digital. Rather it a question of that great analogue sound. IMHO it can be achieved to greater extent by having valve amplification. That is to say that choice of equipment will give more of an analogue sound than at the choice of source. In the meantime Fanboy that ifi output stage may do it for you. I am interested in their products as since I have had success with their phono stage.

[walpurgis]

Thanks may try that, I do like the sound of the micromega and it has been modified a lot but when comparing the same album from cd and vinyl, the vinyl always draws me in more, cd sounds good initially but doesn't keep the interest. Could be the cd player of course!

I reckon cd can sound great if the playback unit is up to the grade so may have to change my player.

Micromega have a decent reputation for sound, but on the few occasions I've heard Micromega players and DACs I wasn't awstruck. Sorry if that sounds as though I'm knocking your player, I'm not trying to be rude. I had a demo a while back of a Micromega player and DAC together (can't remember the models) and the sound was fine, until the guy put the same album on his vinyl TT and then the whole thing just opened up delivering a huge soundstage in comparison. He returned to the CD and then the sound seemed as flat as a pancake. Fortunately, I don't get that problem myself, the vinyl and CD I use both work well when compared.

[Rare Bird]

This be just the ticket.


Apart from the fact that i wouldnt be seen dead buying new hifi the idea of tubes in my stereo is a big NO

[Marco]

I thought you quite liked *some* of the vintage tube gear, dude? What that tube amp of Jonboy's called that you always comment on? :)

Marco.

[Marco]

I have tried no end of CDee players i just cannot stand the sound of Cymbals from CDee, the only salvation up to yet has been from using a 1st generation machine! it seems to make the CD sound more smoothe, it seems to sound more like analogue! i have no idea if this because it lacks the fine detail/resolution of modern players but it certainly makes life a bit more easy on my lug holes..


;)

...and there are valid reasons for that, and it's got nothing to do with any audible lack of detail or resolution.

Marco.

[peelaaa]

Micromega have a decent reputation for sound, but on the few occasions I've heard Micromega players and DACs I wasn't awstruck. Sorry if that sounds as though I'm knocking your player, I'm not trying to be rude. I had a demo a while back of a Micromega player and DAC together (can't remember the models) and the sound was fine, until the guy put the same album on his vinyl TT and then the whole thing just opened up delivering a huge soundstage in comparison. He returned to the CD and then the sound seemed as flat as a pancake. Fortunately, I don't get that problem myself, the vinyl and CD I use both work well when compared.

I agree, I think the micromega was good for its year 1996 and I have modified it a lot but I am sure newer cd players with more upto date dac's would excel the player. Maybe I could use it as a transport and use an external dac as you recommended.

[walpurgis]

I agree, I think the micromega was good for its year 1996 and I have modified it a lot but I am sure newer cd players with more upto date dac's would excel the player. Maybe I could use it as a transport and use an external dac as you recommended.

That may be a good idea, aithough I'm not keen on the few modern DACs I've heard, a tendency towards a 'clean' sound but somehow not having much body. My Theta DS Pro Progeny is donkeys years old, but sounds very nice, as do all the older Thetas I've tried (even the little 'budget' Cobalt). I also have a Monarchy Audio M22B which sounds excellent. That is more recent though.