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MikeMusic
13-08-2013, 08:04
Well both for me but read on
Due to the probably OCD way I listen to music I put a great LP on Sunday morning
Jerry Goodman - It's Alive
Recorded very well especially when you consider it is a live performance
9 out of 10 for music,
but hey stop, what's going on ?
Detail, width, dynamics, air, space I haven't heard before when listening to the CD, which is looping around in the 'listen to quite a lot before filing away rack'
Must be imagining it...no there really is more there than I've heard before
Soaking in the whole album was great. I revelled
Ok some science later in the day, compare the CD to the LP to see if my marbles went.
Yes there is a big difference.
This is a big 'upgrade'
As albums go this is rare on CD or LP.
Well worth seeking out and buying.
CD or LP ?
Both :)
Looking at the kit I currently have the Technics has a bit of a head start over the Isis, but not that much
RobbieGong
13-08-2013, 12:21
This ones been debated a few times but vinyl edges for me - Organic, depth, realism. CD in my system = nice ! Vinyl has literally blown me away at times :)
MikeMusic
13-08-2013, 12:58
This ones been debated a few times but vinyl edges for me - Organic, depth, realism. CD in my system = nice ! Vinyl has literally blown me away at times :)
Took me by surprise.
Helps that I know the CD so well. Haven't listened to the LP for many months and some upgrades ago
Previous quick comparison was Ry Cooder - Bop til you drop. Vinyl ahead for sure, but not by so much. Was a quick comparison though
I like and use both. When listening to a record it always amazes me how much more rich and warm the sq is ok. with records there is the odd tick or pop but to me this adds to the character of vinyl.
hifi_dave
13-08-2013, 16:18
Bop til you drop is a dire, early digital recording but the vinyl version still sounds preferable to the CD. Having said that, my early copy of Bop is missing the right channel on 'Little Sister' - so the CD scores for me on that track only..:rolleyes:
Audio Al
13-08-2013, 17:48
I have both CD and Vinyl
but always listen to vinyl as no1 option ;)
Pete The Cat
13-08-2013, 19:34
In spite of being less convenient I like the fact that vinyl is more of an experience to set up, like going through the ritual of roll-your-own versus a cigarette. Generally less bright too.
Pete
MikeMusic
14-08-2013, 09:37
Bop til you drop is a dire, early digital recording but the vinyl version still sounds preferable to the CD. Having said that, my early copy of Bop is missing the right channel on 'Little Sister' - so the CD scores for me on that track only..:rolleyes:
I have always been surprised at how good it sounded espceically being the first digital
Will listen more closely
I think a lot of 90,s stuff is very digital orientated but 60,s/79,s was designed to be analogue and sounds better for it...even the tracks layout was designed to fit an lp.
as for sound, vinyl usually sounds better, but not sure if it is because it is or because there is a little more distortion in the harmonics making it sound richer. funily I often use a valve buffer to play older style music on CD for this reason.
ninedecks
14-08-2013, 10:50
In spite of being less convenient I like the fact that vinyl is more of an experience to set up, like going through the ritual of roll-your-own versus a cigarette. Generally less bright too.
Pete
A lovely description and one I would echo.
Dave
You need to listen to the master to know which is more the 'high fidelity to the original source' source. Having done this with a few old prized recordings, I feel I know which is the more 'accurate' rendidion. Whether you LIKE this is entirely another matter, and of course the mastering engineer for any format is the final arbiter as to whether the end result is any good..
I prefer Vinyl over CD. You know what, even watching the record spin round is a nice thing to do.
But if the question was Vinyl or Digital then ...
Whilst I am primarily a Digital streaming and CD user, I have to say that every time I listen to Vinyl it give me something extra, less volume but more sound if you wish.... But purely because I am a lazy git and wifey hates the look of my turntable, I stick to the other formats.
MikeMusic
15-08-2013, 10:02
Whilst I am primarily a Digital streaming and CD user, I have to say that every time I listen to Vinyl it give me something extra, less volume but more sound if you wish.... But purely because I am a lazy git and wifey hates the look of my turntable, I stick to the other formats.
The gap just became bigger with the Stillpoints weight and Oyaide record 'mat'......
Trumpton_Rioter
15-08-2013, 10:16
CD then to FLAC for me
I did have a decent vinyl collection years ago but sold it/gave it away because I needed the cash when I was younger and I also moved around alot so didnt have anywhere to store it.
Do I regret doing that - yes because there are some albums I havent found on CD yet to replace them but I do like the convenience of digital because it suits me at the moment.
Audio Al
15-08-2013, 10:23
wifey hates the look of my turntable,
All the MORE reason to use it :ner:
MikeMusic
15-08-2013, 10:42
CD then to FLAC for me
I did have a decent vinyl collection years ago but sold it/gave it away because I needed the cash when I was younger and I also moved around alot so didnt have anywhere to store it.
Do I regret doing that - yes because there are some albums I havent found on CD yet to replace them but I do like the convenience of digital because it suits me at the moment.
I only play CD and reel to reel at work. Vinyl wouldn't work
If I was you I'd look to get back into it - more music awaits
MikeMusic
15-08-2013, 10:42
All the MORE reason to use it :ner:
:lol:
but..but, never a better time to pick up great music on CD.
with supermarkets selling off their cd stock at almost giveaway prices and flea markets unable to shift em at a quid or less there has never been a better time to stock up on the silver stuff.
from having a decent but stagnant collection of about a thousand discs, my shelves have expanded by over four hundred cds in the last couple of years.....god bless the vinyl revival!!!!
MikeMusic
16-08-2013, 07:24
Main reason I started this one off was my surprise - not to knock CD
I thought CD and LP were now very close
What took me by surprise was the gap, when playing an LP version of a CD album I have played many times on the same system.
Being a compulsive buyer of music I have to buy both LP and CD as often one is just not available.
If I really love an album I try and get both
LP for the lush detail, CD for the portability and convenience
With my 2 latest upgrades of course the gap widens
Perhaps a new Pre Amp will help the CD sound as the LP route is through a SUT and Phono Pre Amp and Yannis cables.....
daytona600
16-08-2013, 15:48
Like the LP versions with a free CD versions myself , very handy or the ones with a MP3 card ideal to pass to the kids
Spectral Morn
16-08-2013, 16:01
Well both for me but read on
Due to the probably OCD way I listen to music I put a great LP on Sunday morning
Jerry Goodman - It's Alive
Recorded very well especially when you consider it is a live performance
9 out of 10 for music,
but hey stop, what's going on ?
Detail, width, dynamics, air, space I haven't heard before when listening to the CD, which is looping around in the 'listen to quite a lot before filing away rack'
Must be imagining it...no there really is more there than I've heard before
Soaking in the whole album was great. I revelled
Ok some science later in the day, compare the CD to the LP to see if my marbles went.
Yes there is a big difference.
This is a big 'upgrade'
As albums go this is rare on CD or LP.
Well worth seeking out and buying.
CD or LP ?
Both :)
Looking at the kit I currently have the Technics has a bit of a head start over the Isis, but not that much
I have it both on CD and vinyl + other albums by him - nice music, talented musician, but I guess for some they may feel its more musiac than music.
Regards Neil
MikeMusic
16-08-2013, 17:10
I have it both on CD and vinyl + other albums by him - nice music, talented musician, but I guess for some they may feel its more musiac than music.
Regards Neil
Think It's alive could be his best solo
Tried The Flock and not that impressed
Mahavishnu must be the best he's ever done
Dixie Dregs promises but doesn't deliver for me
I love the sound he makes with a violin
And of course he has the starring role on the front cover of Fill your head with Rock !
:)
Listening to music on vinyl always makes want to open the vocal chords or tap the loafers. Also can bring on the emotions at times.
Listening to cd I notice the impressive low end detail of recordings but then guitar doesn't sound right off cd, vinyl always sounds more realistic.
Maybe I should try a newer cd player, mine dates back to 1994, micromega stage 6,heavily modified too.
MikeMusic
17-08-2013, 10:11
Listening to music on vinyl always makes want to open the vocal chords or tap the loafers. Also can bring on the emotions at times.
Listening to cd I notice the impressive low end detail of recordings but then guitar doesn't sound right off cd, vinyl always sounds more realistic.
Maybe I should try a newer cd player, mine dates back to 1994, micromega stage 6,heavily modified too.
I am mighty impressed with my Rega Isis which must be one of the best CD spinners going.
THe Vinyl just opens it all up so much more though
No competition where there is no Vinyl of course
Clive197
17-08-2013, 10:53
While I listen to flac ripped from my own cd's most of the time, my heart is still firmly rooted in vinyl.
Interestingly the flac sounds as good if not even a little better than my cd transport.
When I want to really sit and listen to music, as I said its vinyl.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-h2cgrPlt25A/UGFtr57FsQI/AAAAAAAADBY/tY3ZhSapw58/s400/576851_194647274001237_653257947_n.jpg
Ali Tait
17-08-2013, 10:58
:lol:
MikeMusic
17-08-2013, 11:08
Wonderful !
:)
losenotaminute
17-08-2013, 11:17
Since I have returned to vinyl about a year ago I haven't listened to CD other than when the TT was being fettled by my dealer. There is no comparison IMO, vinyl is vastly superior. I've also listened to some expensive CD players at the local dealership and they left me totally underwhelmed. I just don't understand anyone who thinks CD is comparable.
Lawrence
MikeMusic
17-08-2013, 12:01
I'll stick with both as I can't get some LPs that I have on CD. I'll also get some better I/Cs for the Isis as soon as my Pre Amp is decided.
LP favourite for listening
The Outcast
19-08-2013, 21:06
Vinyl
WOStantonCS100
20-08-2013, 04:08
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-h2cgrPlt25A/UGFtr57FsQI/AAAAAAAADBY/tY3ZhSapw58/s400/576851_194647274001237_653257947_n.jpg
:lol: Perfect.
Magna Audio
20-08-2013, 13:45
Before I created and evolved my 5 way horn system, refining it with driver changes and horn changes I was a total vinyl convert.
With various Tannoys I was sold that vinyl sounded better, more natural etc.
During the horn system evolution something happened. The whole sound / sensory experience was increased, no question of that. Scale, impact, finesse, detail, BASS, MID BASS etc has changed.
I find myself listening to more and more CD's and enjoying them more and more. I find my vinyl set up very good and some records are full of emotion and no doubt sound better than the CD equivalent but the 'specialist CD's', those that sound stunning on CD, (and there are lots of them, be it mastering or mixing, I don't know) are simply great on CD.
Playing Church organ bass on a turntable with a system that faithfully reproduces flat 20Hz if a deal breaker on turntables. Below 30Hz, if even that low is all rumble and noise. CD's do that no problem. So if I want to listen or impress visitors with Toccata and Fugue in D minor or my favourite Swedish Baroque ensemble pieces recorded using Church organ for bass it is CD I turn too. Electro like Yello can be tighter and faster & deeper on CD - I do have several of their best on 12" 45's - these are better than 33 rpm and can sound glorious.
So, for me - horses for courses...
MikeMusic
20-08-2013, 14:00
Before I created and evolved my 5 way horn system, refining it with driver changes and horn changes I was a total vinyl convert.
With various Tannoys I was sold that vinyl sounded better, more natural etc.
During the horn system evolution something happened. The whole sound / sensory experience was increased, no question of that. Scale, impact, finesse, detail, BASS, MID BASS etc has changed.
I find myself listening to more and more CD's and enjoying them more and more. I find my vinyl set up very good and some records are full of emotion and no doubt sound better than the CD equivalent but the 'specialist CD's', those that sound stunning on CD, (and there are lots of them, be it mastering or mixing, I don't know) are simply great on CD.
Playing Church organ bass on a turntable with a system that faithfully reproduces flat 20Hz if a deal breaker on turntables. Below 30Hz, if even that low is all rumble and noise. CD's do that no problem. So if I want to listen or impress visitors with Toccata and Fugue in D minor or my favourite Swedish Baroque ensemble pieces recorded using Church organ for bass it is CD I turn too. Electro like Yello can be tighter and faster & deeper on CD - I do have several of their best on 12" 45's - these are better than 33 rpm and can sound glorious.
So, for me - horses for courses...
Thanks Steve. That's very interesting (5 way horns !)
Up to a few days ago I thought CD was very close indeed
We must be pretty close as I am in Surrey, close to the Berks border. Be interested to hear those horns one day
They're worth hearing, Mike.
Interesting to read about your favoured musical sources, Steve. Mine's slightly different:
For ALL classical music, I prefer CD or SACD as the low noise floor and utter clarity become an important factor and deep bass is, as you say, effortless.
For MOST modern music (rock, blues, jazz) I prefer vinyl for its explosive dynamics and liquid vividness.
Both are very good, but there remain strengths and weaknesses to each. CD has low noise floor and great bass. Vinyl has the dynamic clout.
Magna Audio
20-08-2013, 16:18
They're worth hearing, Mike.
Interesting to read about your favoured musical sources, Steve. Mine's slightly different:
For ALL classical music, I prefer CD or SACD as the low noise floor and utter clarity become an important factor and deep bass is, as you say, effortless.
For MOST modern music (rock, blues, jazz) I prefer vinyl for its explosive dynamics and liquid vividness.
Thanks Steve. That's very interesting (5 way horns !)
Up to a few days ago I thought CD was very close indeed
We must be pretty close as I am in Surrey, close to the Berks border. Be interested to hear those horns one day
Both are very good, but there remain strengths and weaknesses to each. CD has low noise floor and great bass. Vinyl has the dynamic clout.
Mike / others: All welcome to come and listen - Yes, close, I am in Bisely.
Martin, you heard them pre Vitavox S2's, pre tractrix and pre exponential horn bass, I think... They are quite a bit smoother and polished now.
Here's the main thread about them: http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?54198-5-Way-horn-project-big-boy-system!
Yes, CD for classical - noise floor very important
Errr, I've just put Nick Drake on. He was mentioned in a Radio 4 broadcast today so in reverence - 5 leaves left now on the SP-10. Sounds fab:)
WOStantonCS100
21-08-2013, 05:01
:rfl:
As I'm laughing, I'm thinking... "Gee, shouldn't that be 'difFeren...'"... :rolleyes: Maybe folks who don't listen to vinyl can't spell either. :lol: :sofa:
MikeMusic
21-08-2013, 07:24
As I'm laughing, I'm thinking... "Gee, shouldn't that be 'difFeren...'"... :rolleyes: Maybe folks who don't listen to vinyl can't spell either. :lol: :sofa:
It's true it's true !
Burn the heretics !
:)
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