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Andrei
05-08-2013, 07:59
There's a great Pet Hate thread on this forum but here are my musical pet hates:

8. Pianissimo
When will conductors / soloists get it that those delicate pianissimo passages are simply not audible from the back - or even the middle - of the hall?

7. Listen to the music
The next Hi-Fi dealer that tells me it is 'the music that counts, not the gear' will be punched in face. I have entered your shop to buy gear, for sucks fake, not to listen to clichés.

6. Prima Donnas
By all means be 'up yourself' but I wish they would not get involved in the recording process. How many times do you buy an LP that is entitled something like Domingo (not Carmen for heaven's sake - what is that?). Your hopes are dashed (but your low expectations are met) when the star is close miked and singlehandedly drowns out a full orchestra.

5. Crap transfers from LP to CD
No wonder there are so many vinyl fans. Even DG is not above making a quick buck from an absolutely pointless re-issue on CD. Do it properly or not at all I say.

4. Vibrato
What gives with this vibrato obsession? Don't they know when they have hit the note? The human voice quavers, and more so under stress or emotion - nice effect in instruments if used sparingly; but it is not a licence for the entire Romantic Repertoire to be compelled to use it. It has even infected the Classical Repertoire. I have even seen a triangle player create this effect by shaking the instrument after it has been struck. Why? Why? Why? Oh and by the way - note to female cellists: Don't do it, just don't.

3. Diana Krall
A talent-free zone if ever there was one. Malcolm Steward calls her piano-tinkling 'sub Liberace' - surely the ne plus ultra (in the sense of the nadir). She has a mellow voice but if only there was some music. With her looks she could have had a great career in any port of the world. But no, her sound has to infest every elevator in Christendom. Stravinsky once said that the only thing worse than unrelenting dissonance is unrelenting consonance. Yup that's our Diana. There is something truly special about her that manages an effect of 'instantaneous boredom'. It is like waiting in a queue at the supermarket. there you are in line, Ok these things one must endure but then you see the woman at the checkout has lost her 50 cent coupon and is going to find it even it involves strip searching the customer in line behind her to see if he nicked it. Despair sets in faster than Krall's backup band cash their paycheques.

2. Live Recordings
Again: what gives? When I see Live Recording on the CD cover of a symphony, interest starts to fade rapidly. Don't these producers know that listeners do not want to hear coughs, sneezes, splutters, creaky chairs, and 'bravo' proclaimed at inopportune moments. All the more frustrating is that lamest of lame 'Live performances have atmosphere'. Bollocks. Of course the performers can put their passion into the music as much if not more than when there is a visible [and distracting] audience. I have never once heard a studio recording and thought: "Gee if only there were a few coughs I am sure this would have sounded more alive". But wait ... there's more. Many a piece ends with sadness or tragedy, the Coriolan Overture for example. Anyone with musical sensibilities will be in a contemplative mood. Then it's as if some demon yells "C'mon guys! lets see who can spoil the atmosphere first with a raucous croak and split-your-neighbour's-ear drum applause."

1. Cadenzas
And taking the wet cake must surely be player-cadenzas. Note to performers: your cadenza is not as good as Beethoven's ... or Tchaikovsky's ... or Mrs Tchaikovsky's. There you are listening to a great Piano Concerto and nek minute there is a grating sound. Note to producers: When I see 'Cadenza by [Soloist]' that is a 100% - not 99% - guarantee that I will not purchase. I buy to listen to their [I]performance, not their music, geddit? This one is really annoying because there are great soloists whose otherwise wonderful interpretations are spoiled or - in my case - fall on deaf ears.

Ammonite Audio
05-08-2013, 09:17
I'm with you on vibrato. Classic FM must have some sort of nausea-inducing, glutinous vibrato processing that is applied to every piece of music. Maybe they know their listeners better than I do, but why? When I run the world, this is one of (many) things that will be banned.

Beobloke
05-08-2013, 11:56
Sorry, going to have to disagree with you on Diana Krall. Just because her music has been played to death at every hi-fi show for the last fifteen years doesn't make her any less talented, musically ejnoyable or...er...easy on the eye.

IMHO anyway!

DavefromDorset
06-08-2013, 19:13
Agree on prima donnas - or do I? When I look at the UK classical top 10 (the dichotomy starts right there) and feel dismay at all the Ande Rieu, Ludovico Einaudi and Cathrine Jenkins albums, is it from their lack of dignity in debasing the genre or is it my music-snobbishness?

Dave

Andrei
06-08-2013, 20:49
I'm with you on vibrato. Classic FM must have some sort of nausea-inducing, glutinous vibrato processing that is applied to every piece of music. Maybe they know their listeners better than I do, but why? When I run the world, this is one of (many) things that will be banned.

Or as someone put in another thread: "When the revolution cometh they will be first to the wall."

Richard Kimber
06-08-2013, 21:00
Apart from no 3 (dunno who Diana Krall is) I agree with everything.

On (8), I once went to a Verdi Requiem in the Albert Hall in which the first 8 bars were totally inaudible. It was like watching Marcel Marceau doing an elaborate mime sketch.

On (6) I think that many (most?) opera recordings are really badly done, with the singers far louder than the orchestra - nothing like the sound you get in an opera house.

- Richard.

Andrei
07-08-2013, 21:22
Apart from no 3 (dunno who Diana Krall is) I agree with everything.

Richard, you are SO lucky!

Beobloke
09-08-2013, 18:37
(dunno who Diana Krall is).

Here's a picture:

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:thumbsup:

The Outcast
17-08-2013, 14:56
Well said Adam.

She has a certain charm as depicted in the lower image that i find keeps me as interested as her music.

Here's a picture:

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa428/Beobloke/DianaKrall__zps387f6ab7.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/Beobloke/media/DianaKrall__zps387f6ab7.jpg.html)

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:thumbsup:

Macca
17-08-2013, 15:09
I bought 'The Girl in the Other Room' to see what all the Krall-related fuss is about. I've made 4 attempts to listen all the way through, once I thought I was going to make it until I got to the one about her dead mother. Insomniac? Then look no further for a drug-free solution. That's before I start on the fact that she is way too far up front in the production, making the go-through-the motions backing band sound like they are playing in the next door studio. And I like plinky plonky lounge jazz. My advice - try some Nina Simone.

MartinT
17-08-2013, 15:12
I agree over live recordings: they only serve to capture the feel of the moment but, for me, never give the satisfaction of a studio recording. That goes for both classical and modern music.

I can't agree on Diana Krall, though. Having seen her live three times, she is the real deal with a nicely sultry voice and her piano playing is also quite something to behold.

MartinT
17-08-2013, 15:15
I bought 'The Girl in the Other Room' to see what all the Krall-related fuss is about

Try playing Temptation LOUD. It's a stunningly good rendition. Overall, not the best album to start with, though.

WOStantonCS100
17-08-2013, 16:13
Andrei, I was expecting not to like and even be slightly offended by this rant. However, after reading it, I found it highly entertaining. I actually agree with most of it, too much of it. :lol: Well done. However, like Martin, I can't quite agree on (early) Diana. I like "The Girl In The Other Room"; but, tossed "Quiet Nights". Still, I'm not quite sure her career won't (or isn't already) heading off into no mans land, sadly.

Audioman
17-08-2013, 16:22
Here's a picture:

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa428/Beobloke/DianaKrall__zps387f6ab7.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/Beobloke/media/DianaKrall__zps387f6ab7.jpg.html)

Here's another one:

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa428/Beobloke/DianaKrall_zps699d9789.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/Beobloke/media/DianaKrall_zps699d9789.jpg.html)

:thumbsup:

Frankly Diana Krall passed completely over my head until I heard she married Elvis Costello. What I have heard of her music is a complete snooze fest. How these two can be a couple is a mystery. Those photos look like they were taken 20 years ago or are a major photo shopping job, as Diana is 48. She looks like EC's daughter not his wife. So Diana fans you are drooling over trickery here. There are some good looking ladies of that age but they sure don't look like that even with extensive surgery.

Paul.

MartinT
17-08-2013, 17:32
Watch her on TV (in one of them, with her husband) and you can judge for yourself. She's pretty damned well preserved.

Tim
17-08-2013, 17:44
I think Diana Krall is superb too, her live in Paris recording is wonderful. Narrow Daylight is one of my favourites from her, just gorgeous :)

keiths
17-08-2013, 20:14
Diana Krall is great. I love Narrow Daylight too - check out Lizz Wright's cover version if you haven't already, 'tis on Spotify.

Tim
17-08-2013, 21:12
Diana Krall is great. I love Narrow Daylight too - check out Lizz Wright's cover version if you haven't already, 'tis on Spotify.
Dreaming Wide Awake - I have that Keith, courtesy of somebody here and Spinning Today . . ;)