Tellurium Q Black Speaker Cable

[Ninanina]

Just wondering how many peeps are using the Tellurium Q Black speaker cable?

Can anyone comment on its sound compared to other speaker cable they have used?

Cheers :)

Bev

[Effem]

I had the Blue then upgraded to the Black and have gone back to the Blue again.

The Blue to me has a dynamic and lively sound while the Black is a lot smoother and more 'rounded'. Others have the Black and are very happy with it but it wasn't for me.

In the great scheme of all things speaker cable related, they give a very good sound relative to their price.

[Ninanina]

I had the Blue then upgraded to the Black and have gone back to the Blue again.

The Blue to me has a dynamic and lively sound while the Black is a lot smoother and more 'rounded'. Others have the Black and are very happy with it but it wasn't for me.

In the great scheme of all things speaker cable related, they give a very good sound relative to their price.

Thanks Frank
I think a slightly smoother cable may be better for me as the Klipsch can be somewhat 'hot' if not fed right. I've certainly read loads of good things about TQ so can't wait for my trial set to arrive ;)

Bev

[Effem]

Thanks Frank
I think a slightly smoother cable may be better for me as the Klipsch can be somewhat 'hot' if not fed right. I've certainly read loads of good things about TQ so can't wait for my trial set to arrive ;)

Bev

I think you have made the right choice with the Blacks Bev because the Klipsch speakers are none too forgiving with the wrong ancillaries. The Blacks do have a very smooth midband and treble, yet they don't mask any of the finer details in the recording.

[Ali Tait]

The TQ stuff is very good, better than anything else I've tried so far. Takes a while to run in though.

[Ninanina]

The TQ stuff is very good, better than anything else I've tried so far. Takes a while to run in though.

Yeah I've heard it can take some time to run in. How long in your experience Ali?

[Ali Tait]

Hard to say exactly, probably 50-100 hours or so.

[synsei]

Although I have no experience using TQ Black Bev, I did have some TQ Blue cables on trial for a while and I couldn't get on with them. Having said that I was using a Mini-T to drive the DM2's at the time and a few members have suggested there may have been a mismatch between the T-Amp, cables and the DM2's. I am running a QUAD 306 these days so who knows, maybe the Blue's would work better in my current set up. I will say though that the Sharkwire cables I am currently using sound superb. This does illustrate perfectly that what might work for some won't necessarily work for others, which is why it is always important to trial stuff ;)

[Andrew B]

Couldn't agree more. Speaker cables can be very dependant upon what is either side of them in the chain, so to speak. I keep a few different sets because changing kit often means changing speaker cable to get the best results. The best all rounder I've ever found is that Arrow cable that Jerry "discovered" on EBay.

I also fully agree with your comments on "try before you buy". It can really save you a fortune and costs you nothing bless you are completely happy.

[Colin Wonfor]

Yeah I've heard it can take some time to run in. How long in your experience Ali?

Bev who is letting you try a pair, they maybe already run in

Best Col

[Ninanina]

Bev who is letting you try a pair, they maybe already run in

Best Col

Hi Col
The lovely people at MCRU :)

Thanks
Bev

[realysm42]

Ultra blacks here, I've demoed lots of other stuff and units remained king if the castle, so far. For me it sounded good straight away but got better with time for sure.

[steviej233]

I am running the blue's and they are great, they seem to be a really good match for my amp and speakers so i guess i got lucky! :)

[realysm42]

I can vouch for that, opened Steve's system right up; even his wife mentioned how good it sounded lol!

[wee tee cee]

Bev PM sent.....do a search in AOS I did a wee write up that might help.

[Yomanze]

Just wondering how many peeps are using the Tellurium Q Black speaker cable?

Can anyone comment on its sound compared to other speaker cable they have used?

Cheers :)

Bev

I used to use TQ Black. I found it coloured & when switching between it and my NVA cable it seemed like the highs were rolled off. As Frank reported I perceived a 'smoothing' effect, which would actually work well to tame bright systems or recordings...

In comparison my LFD Hybrid Ribbon cable is more open, natural, refined & with less 'character'.

EDIT: Sovereign did a good comparative review here & his findings pretty much matched up with mine: http://www.audiochews.com/discussion/803/nva-ls6-speaker-cable#Item_1

[icehockeyboy]

I have the TQ Black, and must admit the jaw drop effect wasn't as great as when I first plumbed in the Blues........

I keep wanting to retry the Blues if anyone has a 2m pair........?

[synsei]

I used to use TQ Black. I found it coloured & when switching between it and my NVA cable it seemed like the highs were rolled off.

That is exactly what I experienced in my system using the 'Blues' in place of the Belkin cables I used back then...

[wee tee cee]

Recently retried the blue....very lively, brighter, in yer face....nice strong bass. very nice. Back to black( no AC/DC pun intended) different league composure,refinement nothing missing just everything had been cleaned up/less colouration.
they're both good but in my set up/ears/room the black was major upgrade sonically. IMHO

[synsei]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread Tony, it's entirely possible the Blues may not have been a good match with other components in my system. Since I am now using a different power amp I may well revisit the Blues at some point in the future to pit them against my current reference cables ;)

[Ninanina]

Thanks for all your comments

I should be getting the TQ Blacks tomorrow

I will report back as soon as I've plumbed them in

:)

[Tarzan]

Thanks for all your comments

I should be getting the TQ Blacks tomorrow

I will report back as soon as I've plumbed them in

:)



:popcorn:

[Ninanina]

Well the TQ Black is in

First word that comes to mind is 'smooth'...... that's as far as I've got :doh:

Would anyone else use this word re: TQ Blacks ??

[synsei]

I had the Blue then upgraded to the Black and have gone back to the Blue again.

The Blue to me has a dynamic and lively sound while the Black is a lot smoother and more 'rounded'. Others have the Black and are very happy with it but it wasn't for me.

In the great scheme of all things speaker cable related, they give a very good sound relative to their price.


I used to use TQ Black. I found it coloured & when switching between it and my NVA cable it seemed like the highs were rolled off. As Frank reported I perceived a 'smoothing' effect, which would actually work well to tame bright systems or recordings...

In comparison my LFD Hybrid Ribbon cable is more open, natural, refined & with less 'character'.

EDIT: Sovereign did a good comparative review here & his findings pretty much matched up with mine: http://www.audiochews.com/discussion/803/nva-ls6-speaker-cable#Item_1

;)

[Ninanina]

Ooops I should have read the thread better :doh::doh:

[synsei]

We are all guilty of this from time to time, don't worry about it. Give the Blacks time to bed in, ya never know ;)

[realysm42]

Nina, give them a while and if you can leave your system on over night at low levels to help with the burn in, they should open up a lot!

[wee tee cee]

bev check yer pm.

[Tarzan]

Well the TQ Black is in

First word that comes to mind is 'smooth'...... that's as far as I've got :doh:

Would anyone else use this word re: TQ Blacks ??




l tried them and yes SMOOTH AND ROUNDED were the first impressions l got also and great tonal colour.

[Ninanina]

Well the next update is:

1) Very detailed without brightness
2) It's so easy to follow vocals, even on tracks I'm not that familiar with I seem to know what words coming next... I don't know if that makes any sense at all
3) Lots of emotion; a track just gave me a tear in my eye, and that rarely happens.... maybe I'm just a big softy!! :lol:

[Yomanze]

Nina, give them a while and if you can leave your system on over night at low levels to help with the burn in, they should open up a lot!

And if you've done this Ninanina & if you hear them open up a lot, switch your cables to the old ones.

[Yomanze]

l tried them and yes SMOOTH AND ROUNDED were the first impressions l got also and great tonal colour.

Agree, a very rich-sounding cable.

[realysm42]

And if you've done this Ninanina & if you hear them open up a lot, switch your cables to the old ones.

Why?

[synsei]

I'd guess because it is being thorough, and also because it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one might prefer the original cables to the TQ's after all that. I'd want to be absolutely sure before parting with my monies ;)

[realysm42]

I'd guess because it is being thorough, and also because it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one might prefer the original cables to the TQ's after all that. I'd want to be absolutely sure before parting with my monies ;)

I read it as if you hear a change over time then go back to the originals and call it a day; I agree swapping back to double check makes sense.

[synsei]

I read it as if you hear a change over time then go back to the originals and call it a day; I agree swapping back to double check makes sense.

I did this when comparing the Blues to the Belkins and the Belkins came out on top. Similarly I did the same with the Belkins and the Sharkwire cable I use now and the Sharkwire blows the Belkins out of the water. The sound is far more natural and unforced, in fact I have never been as comfortable with a system as I am with this one just now. That's not to say I can't make improvements somewhere, I'm sure I could, but these days I sit and chill to music without thoughts running through my mind such as, "I wish there was more bass definition... If only cymbals shimmered more naturally... Are those steel or nylon strings on that guitar?" :)

[Ninanina]

Well I am just about to go back to my 'old' speaker cable..... :D

I'll be back with my very first impressions of old vs new .... give me a min ;)

[synsei]

I'm all ears (or should that be eyes?) :)

[Ninanina]

Just got to let all the valves warm up a bit... then we'll be off ;)

[Ninanina]

Ok....

The VERY first thing that strikes me is the word 'BRASH' for the old speaker cable..... but watch this space.... next update v soon :D

[Ninanina]

Just one more thing.... it's raining... it never rains in Portsmouth.... smells nice though :lol:

[synsei]

Your other cables made it rain??? :eek: Quick, switch back to the Blacks... :lol:

[Roy S]

it never rains in Portsmouth

Thought that was Southern California :D

[Ninanina]

Sorry bout that. it's just that getting a little drink from the kitchen i noticed the rain..... not connected at all :lol:

[Ninanina]

Ok the next thing I notice is that vocals are not so well formed some how..... that doesn't mean I dislike the old cables yet though... they are TOTALLY different

I'm pretty pleased that I CAN hear the difference, good or bad

[synsei]

That's encouraging. It's not always clear cut however so the decision will ultimately come down to which of the two cables strengths and weaknesses you would prefer to live with ;)

[Ninanina]

Next thing i notice is that the 'old' cable lacks a bit of emotion in the vocals, just a little bit bland and somehow without too much feeling ;)

It's so tricky to describe in it ?? I don't think I'm very good at it....

:scratch::scratch:

[synsei]

Trust your ears :)

[walpurgis]

Ok....

The VERY first thing that strikes me is the word 'BRASH' for the old speaker cable..... but watch this space.... next update v soon :D

Brash is not good, I'd sooner lack a bit of resolution than have brashness.

The old QED Sliver Anniversary, which I'm sure just about everybody on AOS has tried, was a great example. Despite glowing mag reviews, I always found the sound crude and very coarse at the top. Mind you it was cheap.

Lucid, detailed and smooth is the way to go.

[Ninanina]

Lucid, detailed and smooth is the way to go.

That's such a fantastic way to describe the TQ Black.... you are so much better at this sort of thing than me.... :doh:

[Ninanina]

I've never made such a quick change :eyebrows:

Back to the TQ Blacks now.... just waiting for valves to come on song.... who knows the outcome...;)

[Ninanina]

Well here goes....

TQ Black definitely more 'sophisticated'.... how's that for a word ?? ;)

Much more expressive and on a live Sting recording ('All this time') the clapping crowd actually sounds like clapping.... does that make sense, hope so !! ;)

TQ is refined, expressive and kinda real sounding somehow

I will go back to 'old' cable again tomorrow night but for the moment the TQ is pretty good.... :D

[synsei]

Sounds like the decision has been made to me, as I wrote earlier, trust your ears ;)

[Ninanina]

Well I'm not soooo sure about the decision yet

I'm wondering if the TQ is maybe a bit too smooth, I cannot decide just yet.... I've even changed my amp back to my trusty Audio Note Oto to see what it thinks of the TQ but the AN takes a fair while to come on song so I'm waiting at the mo ;)

[synsei]

I think the important thing is to live with the Blacks in your system for a couple of weeks to be sure. I've no doubt they sound smoother as that seems to be the general consensus amongst owners, however many owners also mention that the Blacks manage this without losing detail rendition. Again, it all comes down to how well they work with your gear and your ears :)

[Ninanina]

I think I must be mad but I'd like to try the Ultra Blacks... crazy money though :mental::mental:

[synsei]

I certainly couldn't justify the expense however good they might be :eyebrows:

[Ninanina]

I certainly couldn't justify the expense however good they might be :eyebrows:

No i cant justify it either.... just a mad moment.... :mental:

[Ninanina]

Well I've cracked it:


Casual Listening If I just wanted to listen to music kind of 'casually', meaning while I'm doing other things ie. household chores, eating/drinking or on AoS speaking to you guys!, then I think any decent cable would do; certainly my old cable sounds just fine with maybe more pronounced/harsher leading edges which can sound more dynamic/impressive in some ways
Listening Session If I sit down and actually listen properly to my music then the TQ Black wins hands down. It just seems so effortless somehow and the music has layers to it that I've not noticed before (even with tracks I know well)


The Best description of the TQ Black was from Walpurgis "Lucid, detailed and smooth"

Now I do both No. 1 and 2 but probably more leaning to 2. So which cable to go for

What a conundrum

[Yomanze]

What is cable 1?

EDIT: ah, Tapatalk doesn't show sigs, just noticed this: "Van Damme HiFi 2 x 4mm Speaker cable"...

[DSJR]

Well I've cracked it:


The Best description of the TQ Black was from Walpurgis "Lucid, detailed and smooth"

Now I do both No. 1 and 2 but probably more leaning to 2. So which cable to go for

What a conundrum

But your speakers should NEVER be lucid, detailed and smooth :lol: Klipsh smaller models should grab you by the throat and throttle the living hell out of you - that's what they are designed to do and do it they do so well :)

[Andrew B]

I could be reading between the lines and getting it wrong, but I just get the feeling that there are elements of the Black that don't fully satisfy you. I think the question I'd be asking myself is "will I settle with them, or will I be tempted to try something else in the near-ish future?" If it's the latter, I'd keep looking now rather than after I'd parted with the cash. It's quiet a bit of money, so I'd want to be 100% certain if it was my wallet.

[synsei]

I could be reading between the lines and getting it wrong, but I just get the feeling that there are elements of the Black that don't fully satisfy you. I think the question I'd be asking myself is "will I settle with them, or will I be tempted to try something else in the near-ish future?" If it's the latter, I'd keep looking now rather than after I'd parted with the cash. It's quiet a bit of money, so I'd want to be 100% certain if it was my wallet.

I thought the same Andrew which is why I have been urging Bev to trust her ears. It is often a swings and roundabouts thing where one enjoys some aspects of any given component (or cable) but dislike others. The trick is finding a product where everything just falls into place, and sometimes that is damned difficult ;)

[Audioman]

My view is Tellurium Q is a rather expensive cable and if you are not 100% certain walk away. From comments others have made it obviously has an engineered sound which varies between products in the range. Aim at something neutral then you won't have to chuck it when a change of speakers or amp is made. A cheap cable of ebay might easily sound as good or better in a given system.

[chelsea]

Is this cable adding or taking away?

[realysm42]

Neither.

[chelsea]

Wonder what the others in the range do then?
Have often wondered this about other cable companies not just this one.

[synsei]

It would be interesting to obtain a breakdown of all the costs involved in producing a hifi cable of any sort. What is a cables net worth and more importantly, why? This is not a dig at TQ or Colin in particular, I mean it in a general sense. I would not pay more than a couple of hundred quid for any cable, even if I were wealthy enough to afford a set manufactured from Unobtanium infused with fairy dust, simply because I could never shake the feeling that I'd been taken for a ride. This is my personal opinion and not a slur on any member who may have invested a lot on their cables.

[Andrew B]

I just find speaker cables in particular to be so dependant on the amp and speakers. Sometimes even the room. That makes me wary of spending large amounts because history suggests I usually either move house, change kit, or (most likey) move house and change kit because the room is so different, my existing system sounds rubbish :)

first time I tried NAC A5 against Linn K20, I thought it was terrible. In another "flat earth system" inn my current home, it was more of a matter of taste. The Naim was sharper, the Linn richer. The same goes for other cables too. I tend to think of them like spices, enhancing or potentially spoiling the dish, depending on how well suited they are.

If you are settled with your system and are pretty darn sure that you won't be making changes of any kind, it's a different proposition altogether, I feel. Then I'd be comfortable spending more. Even then, I'd look at the cheaper cables first as I'm not convinced by some of the prices around. That Arrow cable looks expensive, sounds expensive and costs peanuts. That's my kind of cable!

[MCRU]

Just wondering how many peeps are using the Tellurium Q Black speaker cable?

Can anyone comment on its sound compared to other speaker cable they have used?

Cheers :)

Bev

so 7 pages later the majority of replies are from people who have never heard or used the blacks

interesting really!

[Colin Wonfor]

It is strange, and why should we tell you, cost of tooling cost or RD and the years of time gone in to it ,and the cost coffee, do anybody else ?
NO
All we say is listen, as you should if you like it and can afford to hear you beloved music in the way it was recorded, then buy it.
:)

[wee tee cee]

so 7 pages later the majority of replies are from people who have never heard or used the blacks

interesting really!Aye.....go figure, guys like yourself and Mark Grant let people try before you buy.

Some people could start a fight in an empty house!

[Ninanina]

It is strange, and why should we tell you, cost of tooling cost or RD and the years of time gone in to it ,and the cost coffee, do anybody else ?
NO
All we say is listen, as you should if you like it and can afford to hear you beloved music in the way it was recorded, then buy it.
:)

My thoughts exactly :youtheman:

And we are lucky enough to have companies like MCRU and Mark Grant, and I'm sure others too, who let us trial stuff before we buy, that doesn't happen in many other industries

If, once we have tried it out at home in our own systems, we don't like it or don't think its an improvement on what we already have then we send it back; what could be simpler than that?? :grouphug:

[Audioman]

Whatever the cost of cable it is a safe bet that most of it is marketing and packaging costs plus a generous dealer mark up to encourage them to stock it in the first place. TQ is no different in that respect. I doubt 'development costs' are that great in comparison to designing an amp or CD player for instance. The best value cables are those sold direct over the internet by the maker where no dealer margin is involved. Oh and forgot the costs of wining and dining magazine reviewers and the like. Bev the reason dealers are so happy to give free trials is that the margins are so large they can afford to loan stuff for extended periods. If you decide to buy the potential profit is great and I bet most people who trial cables end up buying them because they are perceived as different if not necessarily better than the ones they were previously using. Also remember on internet purchases it's not really a free trial as there is a statutory 30 days return period in any case.

[Colin Wonfor]

Audioman "marketing and packaging costs" not ours ask our dealers.
"Oh and forgot the costs of wining and dining magazine reviewers" we do not.

"development costs' are that great in comparison to designing an amp or CD player for instance" wrong most amps and CD have already been designed, i.e. the chips and the
basic circuit. Cable involves lots more than you could imagine maths alone are bloody horrid, and as a product that most users believe is a bell wire,, very very wrong.

"The best value cables are those sold direct over the internet by the maker " wrong again, whoops. the chap that sales it on the internet, most often bought in a standard
product and had his/her friendly Chinese manufacture relabel it, sorry not ours, our own tools, our own wire. And now our own connectors, oh dear facts missing again shame.

But one big thing we do agree on HEAR IT FIRST, nice.

[MCRU]

Whatever the cost of cable it is a safe bet that most of it is marketing and packaging costs plus a generous dealer mark up to encourage them to stock it in the first place. TQ is no different in that respect. I doubt 'development costs' are that great in comparison to designing an amp or CD player for instance. The best value cables are those sold direct over the internet by the maker where no dealer margin is involved. Oh and forgot the costs of wining and dining magazine reviewers and the like. Bev the reason dealers are so happy to give free trials is that the margins are so large they can afford to loan stuff for extended periods. If you decide to buy the potential profit is great and I bet most people who trial cables end up buying them because they are perceived as different if not necessarily better than the ones they were previously using. Also remember on internet purchases it's not really a free trial as there is a statutory 30 days return period in any case.

and you drive a morris minor cos you would never buy a BMW cos margins are horrific?

FREE trial means I sent Bev £2000 of cables and asked for not one penny

I drive a van by the way :)

[Colin Wonfor]

Yes Dave I have seen it, made by Rolls Royce ?? No I wish :eyebrows:

[MCRU]

Yes Dave I have seen it, made by Rolls Royce ?? No I wish :eyebrows:

haha

unless rolls royce own VW as its a caddy :lol:

just spent 10 minutes wondering why no sound was coming out of my speakers, tried all connections and re-booted the server, changed the USB cable, stood back and looked at the system, then thought to myself what have I just posted out today, yes my demo TQ ultra black cables, no wonder the speakers don't make a sound! :steam:

[realysm42]

Mine are working OK :p

[Effem]

no wonder the speakers don't make a sound! :steam:

How much more "transparent" do you want cables to sound? :rofl:

[Ninanina]

How much more "transparent" do you want cables to sound? :rofl:

:lol::lol::lol:

I'm sorry I messed up your system David by taking the Ultra Blacks.... :doh:

[realysm42]

Anyone here tried/heard the graphite/diamond line of cables?

[MCRU]

Anyone here tried/heard the graphite/diamond line of cables?

@@@'***~~~~~~~

don't bl...y start!

you know how all cable threads end up :lol:

what do you think I plugged in after the UB's had gone?

[realysm42]

Lol, i've learnt to laugh at peoples derisiveness, no doubt just as much as they laugh at me!

[loo]

"development costs' are that great in comparison to designing an amp or CD player for instance" wrong most amps and CD have already been designed, i.e. the chips and the
basic circuit. Cable involves lots more than you could imagine maths alone are bloody horrid, and as a product that most users believe is a bell wire,, very very wrong.

Hello I think many an engineer would find that statement as ludicrous .:mental:

[realysm42]

Cool story bro.

[Ninanina]

Cool story bro.

Martin would I be correct that you are using Ultra Blacks?

[realysm42]

You would.

[Ninanina]

You would.

And are they as good as MOST people say, well those that have tried them I guess

[realysm42]

My brother is the only other person to have done direct swap outs and comparisons; he was as amazed as I was by them. I remember him being shocked at the price when told, but loves them. He went and bought blues very soon afterwards.

Dealers have been round too but I'll leave it to them to comment if they wish.

Friends have heard them of course, but as a whole system with no comparisons so again its not really fair to take their comments based on the whole set up.

[wee tee cee]

Bev,
Be very interested to hear your thoughts on the ultras compared to the blacks, the HI-FI PIG review on them is very good, as it is written by a self confessed cable sceptic......and his good ladies thought's .
Keep us posted, so to speak.

Regards,

Tony.

[Ninanina]

Well the Ultra's are in

My VERY initial thoughts are that I don't think my brain can keep up with all the detail they are extracting, poor little brain :mental:

I'm doing some serious listening now and will report back as soon as I have more to say :D

[realysm42]

:popcorn:

[wee tee cee]

OH DEAR!!!!! I feel some financial pain coming on.......

[realysm42]

You heard them, Tony?

Ridiculous as it might sound I'm curios about the diamonds...

[MCRU]

You heard them, Tony?

Ridiculous as it might sound I'm curios about the diamonds...

why?

if you heard them and bought them you would be ridiculed for years by the know it alls etc who would think it shear lunacy spending £1000's on cables :)

the graphites are the next step up so you should try those first if you are hankering to spend more wonga (despite what her indoors sez) :lol:

have you heard any dsd yet as that will bring a tear to your eyes when you hear how good it is through Nick's DAC

[realysm42]

Yeah I'm glad I wasn't saved from myself by them lol!

The diamonds are ore of a curiosity, just to hear what the extreme high end of the range does in my system...

[Ninanina]

Well I've been listening to so much music, both with the Ultra's and the Blacks

I've also moved my room around which I've meant to do ages ago, blow me my sofa's soooo heavy, but the system is back up and running now in a different place and currently running the Blacks

I am going to hold off trying to describe the Ultra's any further until I've heard them a bit more, they will be going back in in a little while

Therefore I think I'll report back tomorrow evening with the next installment :D

[walpurgis]

When a Hi-Fi item becomes popular or even common, it puts me off using it. As with Tellurium cables. My choices tend to be a bit reactionary and oddball. I value a bit of individuallity. Seems to work for me though, as I seldom put a foot wrong in my equipment choices. I have some super sounding gear that most people haven't used or maybe even heard of.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Hmm....manufacturer and dealer publicly egging potential customer on to buy what in any other world would be considered an insanely decadent extravagance during the current financial climate - two pieces of wire totalling well in excess of £1,000. My personal view is that it might seem somewhat unseemly, especially as said parties would not have comment made by those who haven't experienced the wonder of what miracles the wire can perform. Sell such products and the economics of the thing will be discussed - that's the environment you enter when you get into the game.

Well, I have heard systems that use these cables but I'm still not going to discuss their 'sound'.
I think a recap on what you previously wrote and trying to have a sense of proportion here would be a useful excercise Bev.
Do the components in your system warrant the sort of expenditure on cables that you seem to be considering? If you think so, then fine. Personally, I don't.
Now think back to how you compared the first pair with your old cables. You didn't seem to be able to make up your mind and in some ways the originals were preferable. Now compare the relative costs. The originals are an absolute bargain and about 1/5th of the cost of the cheaper version of the Blacks.
Given that you aren't totally sold on the Blacks, hasn't it occurred to you that there may be other cables that deliver everything you want at a price somewhere between the two?
I'd suggest taking your time and looking around at some other options. There may be something that suits better and leaves you spare to spend on music or something else. Trust your ears and don't be swayed by the opinions of the people who are doing the selling - David is telling people that if they haven't heard it then they shouldn't comment. Well, has David heard it in your system? - and he's the guy who wants you to put your hand in your purse! Those wires in your system are the only thing that matters.

[Tim]

Well said Chris, very sensible advice which I totally agree with.

[Andrew B]

I have to agree with you. I did feel it a bit rich that both manufacturer and supplier had a chew at anyone who hadn't heard the cable, yet still had the temerity to comment. Surely the fact that both parties stand to gain from the sale and the publicity raises an impossible conflict of interest here.

From the comments made by Bev, others seem to have drawn the same conclusion as you. I'm glad you've spoken up as someone who has heard it the cable, although I have to say that not having heard a particular cable does not automatically exclude one from commenting, as the proponents here would have it. Many people here have years of experience in switching kit and cables, from which experience can be shared and I feel that is of value.

The last thing I want to do is cause any upset, but these nightly instalments are looking a lot like great value free advertising.

[Audioman]

Well, I have heard systems that use these cables but I'm still not going to discuss their 'sound'.
I think a recap on what you previously wrote and trying to have a sense of proportion here would be a useful excercise Bev.
Do the components in your system warrant the sort of expenditure on cables that you seem to be considering? If you think so, then fine. Personally, I don't.
Now think back to how you compared the first pair with your old cables. You didn't seem to be able to make up your mind and in some ways the originals were preferable. Now compare the relative costs. The originals are an absolute bargain and about 1/5th of the cost of the cheaper version of the Blacks.
Given that you aren't totally sold on the Blacks, hasn't it occurred to you that there may be other cables that deliver everything you want at a price somewhere between the two?
I'd suggest taking your time and looking around at some other options. There may be something that suits better and leaves you spare to spend on music or something else. Trust your ears and don't be swayed by the opinions of the people who are doing the selling - David is telling people that if they haven't heard it then they shouldn't comment. Well, has David heard it in your system? - and he's the guy who wants you to put your hand in your purse! Those wires in your system are the only thing that matters.

Totally agree. I would go as far as to say that spending £1000 on better components will almost certainly make more difference than spent on cables. I am pretty certain that in Bev's system there are cables that will sound as good at a few pounds per metre. Can I mention NVA? If you have a problem with RD there are apparently a couple of other cables that are virtually identical for slightly more money. Have you tried Talk, Supra etc that make well regarded cables at modest prices? You need to try some good cheap cables to assess the real value of the more exotically priced offerings.

Paul.

[Effem]

I would go as far as to say that spending £1000 on better components will almost certainly make more difference than spent on cables. I am pretty certain that in Bev's system there are cables that will sound as good at a few pounds per metre. Can I mention NVA? If you have a problem with RD there are apparently a couple of other cables that are virtually identical for slightly more money. Have you tried Talk, Supra etc that make well regarded cables at modest prices? You need to try some good cheap cables to assess the real value of the more exotically priced offerings.
Paul.

I am going to disagree with the statement highlighted in bold.

A hifi "system" as we here understand it is a series of components in a chain, so it will always be the weakest link in the chain that determines it's ultimate properties. Spending extra money on components that are ALREADY the strongest links in that chain will still inevitably be limited by the weakest link elsewhere in the system. The moot point in this discussion is whether or not the weak link is the speaker cable itself and by Bev's initial impressions of the cable in question and the benefits it may/may not bring. it is for her to decide first hand on what all of us can only speculate about from afar. So too is that cost/performance balance she has to decide upon. She does have the benefit of the home trial don't forget, hopefully with no obligation to purchase.

There have been times when I have spent an inordinate amount of money on cables which some have perceived as madness when that money has exceeded the price of any other single component in the system, but, it has meant that I have eliminated what I believed to be the weakest links in my system early on so all consecutive upgrades of the other components in the chain became more meaningful and realistic.

With regards to dealers and manufacturers interjecting on the discussion, I have no issues with that PROVIDED that they also impart their wisdoms elsewhere throughout the forum based upon their own experiences as enthusiasts like the rest of us and not just directly confined to promoting their own wares when the situation arises. Like it or not, these people have had access to a huge range of products that they have played with and they pretty much understand where in the great scheme of things these products fit into the highly confusing league tables of hifi components.

[Beobloke]

I am going to disagree with the statement highlighted in bold.


Well, to balance things, I'm going to agree with it. I have not heard the Tellurium Q cables but friends whose ears I trust tell me they are good. Equally, I have no doubt that they will sound different to another cable and thus make a change to the sound of the system in question, nor would I ever wish to dissuade someone from buying them if they like them.

However, I'd put money on it that £1000 spent elsewhere on componentry in the system would make a much bigger difference...

[realysm42]

You can't make that assumption though Beobloke (sorry I don't know your real name).

I can't speak for Nina, but if you've got everything else right in your system, you might not want to change the components or actually £1,000 by itself might not make a big difference, there are too many variables to argue over.

Ultimately she has to make the choice based on what she's hearing.

[DSJR]

Cables changing the sound - what's wrong with them? :lol:

Why didn't Klipsh Heresy's ever sell in large quantities in the UK? Wasn't price, but because they BITE YOUR HEAD OFF!!!!!!! Great fun for a few hours, but tiring long term. The basic character may be tweaked with wires designed to alter the sound, but it's not ideal.

Still, it's all good fun and giving Bev a good runaround, loads of free advertising for the manufacturer and seller(s) here (hifi dave has much of it too, so I'm not inexperienced in what they do) and huge hilarity for the 'other site' who are laughing their smelly socks off :rofl:

Just get some Fisual 2.5mm Bev, or the stuff Linn gave away with the Classik (available for less than Linn charge on fleabay), and spend the rest on a decent stereo, or better still, some live music :lol:

[Effem]

Cables changing the sound - what's wrong with them? :lol:



ALL cables will change the sound because NONE of them are perfect :ner:

The trick to learn is to find the cables with the right balance of imperfections that both merge with the hifi system ( the dreaded "synergy" word) and what pleases us when we listen to the resultant noise. Not to mention how much money you want to throw at it too :eyebrows:

[wee tee cee]

ALL cables will change the sound because NONE of them are perfect :ner:

The trick to learn is to find the cables with the right balance of imperfections that both merge with the hifi system ( the dreaded "synergy" word) and what pleases us when we listen to the resultant noise. Not to mention how much money you want to throw at it too :eyebrows:well said!

[Wakefield Turntables]

Another cable debate which will end in tears:argument:

[DSJR]

Bullsh*t!

What do you think all your precious recordings were made with? MILES and MILES (in the case of those lovely BBC live broadcasts) of standard mic cable - properly impedance matched, fitted with durable plugs and sockets and snaking all over the place! You think the engineers gave a toss about direction or how much added carbon there was to tweak the sound? Phase shift at AUDIO frequencies? Do leave off :scratch:

If DOMESTIC audio equipment was properly designed, you wouldn't need to worry about foo wires costing thousands. Ah, but some of the most endearing gear WAS properly designed and cables above a certain decent manufacturing standard make fugg-all difference IMO unless they're designed to manipulate the signal in some way - so therefore NOT 'HiFi' to the original source.

I'm obviously not a gear freak any more and far too old and cynical for forums such as this one's fast becoming. Best to back off before I'm kicked off ;) Rega, who are they? :rofl: I think I need a holiday.............

[realysm42]

Another cable debate which will end in tears:argument:

It doesn't have to though.

So much time and energy wasted on people getting mixed up on opinions and facts.

[realysm42]

:lol: perhaps I spoke too soon :whistle:

[Effem]

This thread is mere a "discussion" with opinions flying every which way - most of it conjecture to be honest.

Whatever we think or say, no doubt Bev will do her own thing :lol:

[YNWaN]

I've never heard any cable alter at all with prolonged use. I'm not saying cables don't sound different, I think they do - I just don't think that 'cable burn in' exists.

[Beobloke]

You can't make that assumption though Beobloke (sorry I don't know your real name).

I can't speak for Nina, but if you've got everything else right in your system, you might not want to change the components or actually £1,000 by itself might not make a big difference, there are too many variables to argue over.

Ultimately she has to make the choice based on what she's hearing.

I completely agree! Equally, maybe you're right in that I'm making an assumption too far, but I just feel that if I was to spend £1000 on my own system, it would be to make quite a big change or to gain some sort of large improvement, not to tweak it slightly. As a result, I'd be doing something more drastic than changing speaker cables. That's just me, though...

[wee tee cee]

Im looking forward to readings Bevs impressions-her ears/kit/room/music.......
I might never own a Ferrari, but loved driving one at knockhill as a birthday present a couple of years ago, Just a couple of laps but it was a great experience.........my poverty spec Punto could have drove round exactly the same track but it was fantastic driving a special car.

the quote that best sums up this to me goes along the line of "if i have to explain, you wouldn't understand".

To me this is a hobby, folk out they're work really hard making stuff that lets me enjoy my music more, if I can afford it I buy it and enjoy it. Try it and write up your own opinion....but at least take it for a couple of laps before criticising the product or people who have bought, designed it or god forbid try to make a living selling it.

[MikeMusic]

I tried the Black and Ultra Black against the Naim NAC A5 (or clone) I have

From posts here I was expecting the A5 to be trounced - not so.
In fact we preferred the A5 on most music.
Naim 500 into late Isobariks.
Complete system has had further upgrades since

I'd be prepared to try it again when other things change

[MikeMusic]

3) Lots of emotion; a track just gave me a tear in my eye, and that rarely happens.... maybe I'm just a big softy!! :lol:
Hey that's what music and hifi is for !

Put Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings on and if you don't have it take 500 lines right away, I'll start you off
Must buy Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings
Must buy Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings

[Ninanina]

To me this is a hobby, folk out they're work really hard making stuff that lets me enjoy my music more, if I can afford it I buy it and enjoy it. Try it and write up your own opinion....but at least take it for a couple of laps before criticising the product or people who have bought, designed it or god forbid try to make a living selling it.

Well said Tony.... my own thoughts exactly ...... :clap:

[Ninanina]

Hey that's what music and hifi is for !

Put Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings on and if you don't have it take 500 lines right away, I'll start you off
Must buy Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings
Must buy Steve Hackett's Spectral Mornings

Thanks Mike...... i've just ordered it. I'd never heard of him but listened to a few tracks and seems up my street :D

[Ninanina]

Next instalment:

After a couple of cd's tonight with the Ultra's I now have the Blacks back in ......

I like them both..... damn it... Like I said I will say it like it is.. it makes no difference what anyone says, whether it's the maker or the supplier or anyone else I will just report what I find/hear.... in my system in my room etc etc ;)

There will be another update when I put the UB's back in.... after a few more cd's :D

[chelsea]

Will have to try and borrow some one day.
I've still yet to hear any cables change the sound of my system.

[MikeMusic]

Thanks Mike...... i've just ordered it. I'd never heard of him but listened to a few tracks and seems up my street :D

Arguably the best he ever did
(I met him once !)

[Stratmangler]

Arguably the best he ever did
(I met him once !)

I'm quite partial to "Please Don't Touch".
"Voyage Of The Acolyte" was rather splendid too.

[Ninanina]

Will have to try and borrow some one day.
I've still yet to hear any cables change the sound of my system.

Hi Stu
I thought cable was cable but to be honest I've had a bit of an eye opener..... The TQ cables definitely have something... I also didn't think my own quite simple system would show up any difference but boy how wrong I have been. Believe me or believe me not but the cable really does show its self as different..both the Blacks and the UB's... I have only based that on my on ears with my system in my room... etc etc

I can only suggest you try it and see for yourself

Bev

[chelsea]

One of my problems with speaker cables making a difference is that once it reaches the speakers it usually goes into cheapish cable.
My question is how does it get from sockets on the back of the speakers through to units keeping the better quality of sound?

Hope that makes sense.


Always worth having a go could not see me spending more than £30 on cables.

I've struggled enough hearing differences in amps on ocassions so would be amazed if i could hear a difference.

Always happy to be proved wrong if it makes the system sound better though.

[Ninanina]

Will have to try and borrow some one day.
I've still yet to hear any cables change the sound of my system.

Hi again Stu
I was thinking about the Puresound 2A3 for a replacement for my Oto. How does it sound to you?

Thanks Bev

[chelsea]

Excellent.

Works extremely well with my speakers.
I also heard them with an oto at the last owners which also sounded very good albeit in a different room.

Well worth getting a demo if your thinking of an amp change and speakers are ok driven with 18 watts per channel,guessing they must be as the oto is less if i remember.

[vinylspinner]

Stu,

After hearing your system at the last Scalford Hall do I don't think you need change anything, it sounded bloody great that day.

Nigel

[chelsea]

Thanks nigel.

[Ninanina]

I've now decided........ watch this space !!

It was a VERY interesting exercise

I have quite surprised myself to be honest

Did I think my system was good enough to reveal the difference between my current speaker cable against the TQ Blacks and TQ Ultra Blacks? Well NO to be honest

Someone said "go and get a decent stereo system".... I can't remember who and to be fair it doesn't really matter. I know EXACTLY what my system sounds like and I now know what it sounds like using different speaker cables

Can anyone guess which way I've gone??? ;)

[synsei]

I've now decided........ watch this space !!

It was a VERY interesting exercise

I have quite surprised myself to be honest

Did I think my system was good enough to reveal the difference between my current speaker cable against the TQ Blacks and TQ Ultra Blacks? Well NO to be honest

Someone said "go and get a decent stereo system".... I can't remember who and to be fair it doesn't really matter. I know EXACTLY what my system sounds like and I now know what it sounds like using different speaker cables

Can anyone guess which way I've gone??? ;)

That was a bit harsh... :rolleyes:

I reckon you are going to stay with your original cables :)

[Ninanina]

That was a bit harsh... :rolleyes:

I reckon you are going to stay with your original cables :)


Yeah a bit harsh, but I've learned to be a bit tough on forums these days :punch:

NOPE, not staying with original cables....

[The Grand Wazoo]

I don't.
I think that before all this you didn't believe your gear could justify the expense of these cables, but now you do. So you're going to buy them....but maybe not for the list price.

EDIT: Bugger, you spilled the beans before I finished typing!

[chelsea]

Has to be the cheaper ones as you said you couldn't afford the other ones.

[Ninanina]

I don't.
I think that before all this you didn't believe your gear could justify the expense of these cables, but now you do. So you're going to buy them....but maybe not for the list price.

EDIT: Bugger, you spilled the beans before I finished typing!


You are spot on Chris.....

The Ultras are quite a special cable, in MY view, in MY system and to MY ears..... That's not necessarily other peoples findings but to ME they cannot be bettered. There is something pretty special going on... I am as surprised as anyone else that is my findings.. I am seriously surprised. It took quite a bit of a/b ing before I realised i couldn't do without the Ultra's in my system. And NO i didn't pay full retail for them. A dealer offered me a deal I just couldn't say no to :) what more can I say :D

[Stratmangler]

A dealer offered me a deal I just couldn't say no to :) what more can I say :D

He'll be moaning about driving a bloody van before you know it ... :eyebrows:

[Ninanina]

Has to be the cheaper ones as you said you couldn't afford the other ones.

Nope cant afford it but one somehow finds the means somehow someway ...... No I am not rich..... but once heard you can't say no to them... I may be selling quite a bit of 'stuff' now on ebay to cover my costs :rolleyes:

[The Grand Wazoo]

...offered me a deal I just couldn't say no to what more can I say
Oh, I expect you'll be saying a bit more yet!

[Ninanina]

Oh, I expect you'll be saying a bit more yet!

Actually Chris I won't be saying anything more. Just that if you are are skeptic, like I was, just try them in YOUR system, in YOUR home listening with YOUR ears, and maybe, just maybe, you will come to the conclusion I did, and I am as surprised as anyone at my decision to go with the UB's

[chelsea]

Hope your speakers are close to the amp.

Just looked at the price...ouch.

[synsei]

Well, you used your ears and this is the result. Congrats ;)

[The Grand Wazoo]

....just maybe, you will come to the conclusion I did....

Nope, I'm done with messing about with cables thanks.
They would have to raise Jimi Hendrix from the grave and place him in my living room to do a re-run of Monterey Pop for me to do that.

[Ninanina]

Luckily I didn't let anyone influence my decision. As I say, in MY ROOM using MY SYSTEM and with MY EARS the UB's were something pretty special. As most of my hifi system has been purchased secondhand the UB's represent probably the most costly item, BUT I am quite certain that if you try it in YOUR system you may well come up with the same decision as I did, and NOBODY is as surprised as I am to be honest

NO I am not associated with TQ in any way shape or form.... Just believe me in what I have found... Things may be different in YOUR system in YOUR room and with YOUR ears but it costs nothing to try them

While I am here, I must tell you how much I appreciate the loans of TQ from MCRU, David is such a super chap to deal with and I highly recommend him to anyone... A real star

In the end a deal was offered to me that I couldn't say no to, so UB's are in my pretty modest system.... phew.... :D

[The Grand Wazoo]

.....and that's how it works. See my post No. 140.

I'm sure you'll be happy with you cables Bev - enjoy them.

[Ninanina]

.....and that's how it works. See my post No. 140.

I'm sure you'll be happy with you cables Bev - enjoy them.

Thanks Chris.... I am certainly pretty happy with the deal I eventually struck for these cables.... It's just a personal thing really isn't it? It's just that I found that switching to 'other' speaker cables after these that the others just didn't get me what I had with the UB's.... Don't ask me to describe it as it's sooooooooo tricky, but it's a sound that I wanted to keep at pretty much all costs... crazy but true.... :mental::mental:

[MikeMusic]

I'm quite partial to "Please Don't Touch".
"Voyage Of The Acolyte" was rather splendid too.
I like Please Don't Touch a lot, Voyage Of The Acolyte a bit behind it

Spectral Mornings is the stand out for me

Please Don't Touch was the main feature when I saw him at Hammersmith Odeon

[MikeMusic]

Thanks Mike...... i've just ordered it. I'd never heard of him but listened to a few tracks and seems up my street :D

Another emotional one for me

Procol Harum - Live in concert, Edmonton

[MikeMusic]

He'll be moaning about driving a bloody van before you know it ... :eyebrows:

:lol:

[MikeMusic]

Nope cant afford it but one somehow finds the means somehow someway ...... No I am not rich..... but once heard you can't say no to them... I may be selling quite a bit of 'stuff' now on ebay to cover my costs :rolleyes:

Let me know if you are passing one Sunday (top end of Surrey not so far from Heathrow) have a listen to what I've got, maybe bring the Ultra blacks with you

[wee tee cee]

glad it worked out for you.......thankfully i only need jumper cable lengths......but will get a wee pair of jumpers in they're eventually........lot of money but the old Irish saying "were here for a good time,not a long time" hope they bring you loads of listening pleasure (play John Martyn solid air for me please).

[MikeMusic]

old Irish saying "were here for a good time,not a long time"

Like that. A good reminder
Thanks Toy

[Andrew B]

"Toy" ? Now that made me laugh. Definitely the best post in the entire thread :)

[realysm42]

I thought MCRU didn't offer discounts on TQ gear :scratch:

[Andrew B]

Yeah, it kinda sucks for anyone who paid full whack. Maybe that's why some people were questioning the mark up? I'm sure anyone would take a deal "too good to say no to" if they were in that position though. Maybe you should start a few TQ threads and then ask for some cable to be sent FOC. You might get a similarly good deal :)

[MikeMusic]

"Toy" ? Now that made me laugh. Definitely the best post in the entire thread :)
I'd like to say it was deliberate and some wonderful joke

just brian disconnected from fingers


yes, that one was deliberate
:)

[Andrew B]

Well it added a bit of sparkle to an otherwise grey and gloomy day up North, so I'm grateful !

[Ninanina]

I thought MCRU didn't offer discounts on TQ gear :scratch:

You are quite right MCRU do not discount TQ gear

[MikeMusic]

Well it added a bit of sparkle to an otherwise grey and gloomy day up North, so I'm grateful !

The sun always shines on us wonderful Southerners !
:)

Next time you are passing Reflex Records, 23 Nun Street, go and say hello to Alan and say Mike at our Point says hello
That should raise a small or 2

[Andrew B]

And the snow always finds us Northerners :)

Still, my house was cheaper up North, so I can spend the money saved on heating it when it snows. Wait a second...... That doesn't work for me! I need to move :)

[realysm42]

You are quite right MCRU do not discount TQ gear

Then how did he make you an offer you couldn't refuse?

[MikeMusic]

And the snow always finds us Northerners :)

Still, my house was cheaper up North, so I can spend the money saved on heating it when it snows. Wait a second...... That doesn't work for me! I need to move :)
My stepson Dan was at Durham Uni and said the winters up there were bitter cold.
Soft Southerners y'see
:)

[Andrew B]

Yep, we don't bother with coats. Just rely on good old body hair!

[Yomanze]

You are quite right MCRU do not discount TQ gear

So assume you got a deal on the demo item?

[MikeMusic]

Yep, we don't bother with coats. Just rely on good old body hair!

Thought it was woad and blue paint ?

[realysm42]

I'm a celebrity now, HFS have mentioned me by name :)

[wee tee cee]

toy........been called worse but usually when im working

[MikeMusic]

toy........been called worse but usually when im working

Best I had was in a French camp site

She looked at my passport, totally bemused by "Griffiths"
er Monsieur er Gree

[realysm42]

I think Jammy395 needs a hug, poor fella gets pretty up tight.

[MCRU]

I'm a celebrity now, HFS have mentioned me by name :)

Will you sleep better tonight knowing that chief? :lol:

[Andrei]

Im looking forward to readings Bevs impressions-her ears/kit/room/music.......
I might never own a Ferrari, but loved driving one at knockhill as a birthday present a couple of years ago, Just a couple of laps but it was a great experience.........my poverty spec Punto could have drove round exactly the same track but it was fantastic driving a special car.


I guess from 'a couple of laps' you were on a circuit where would could the benefit of the beast. But it is not for me.

I drove a ferrari - apart from a Lada it was the worst driving experience of my life. Far too noisy, too small (I am 1.8 m) and as a result it was a death trap. An accident at 50 kph and my neck would be broken. Too low to the ground, no view to speak of; the owner next to me kept pummeling me as to how much it cost. I was afraid of denting it. It did not handle well because you had to slow down for every slight bump in the road. It was not easy to park. It looked striking (it was yellow) from the outside, gave lots of status to the owner (not from me but from others - I am sure - who are impressed with such things) but that was it. When my run was finished I was in agony trying to suppress a 'what a poor ride' comment. In fact I felt mildly insulted that I could be expected to give praise. Absolutely dreadful car.

[synsei]

I'm with you Andrei. Hyper-cars make great bedroom posters but they are totally impractical to own. Buy a track car if you are rich and want that racing car experience, it's way more fun ;)

[wee tee cee]

It was a Ferrari 355/tubi exhaust/manual shift (clack-clack tactile feeling of cutting through parmesan with the knife feeling resistance then striking the cutting board/ fabulous tactile steering and a throttle that reacted with every millimetre of movement-rode fast motorbikes since my teens so it wasn't that fast..... but the track was damp in places so could get it moving about......as a petrol head with very limited budget i have always got my kick from bikes but the Ferrari was really special, sounded fabulous with the tubi pipe/naturally aspirated v8, flat plane crank-----it was, and is the most tactile car I have ever driven......boiled the brakes after a couple of laps( instructor said most people never really drove it hard)
just a great experience and to boot, because I had booked during early spring my son got two laps with the instructor (allowed us to put his booster seat in so he could see out as he was about ten at the time........loved every second in it/so did he.

[Ninanina]

It was a Ferrari 355/tubi exhaust/manual shift (clack-clack tactile feeling of cutting through parmesan with the knife feeling resistance then striking the cutting board/ fabulous tactile steering and a throttle that reacted with every millimetre of movement-rode fast motorbikes since my teens so it wasn't that fast..... but the track was damp in places so could get it moving about......as a petrol head with very limited budget i have always got my kick from bikes but the Ferrari was really special, sounded fabulous with the tubi pipe/naturally aspirated v8, flat plane crank-----it was, and is the most tactile car I have ever driven......boiled the brakes after a couple of laps( instructor said most people never really drove it hard)
just a great experience and to boot, because I had booked during early spring my son got two laps with the instructor (allowed us to put his booster seat in so he could see out as he was about ten at the time........loved every second in it/so did he.

Sounds great fun to me. Like yourself I'm into bikes and I still think the thrill you get from riding a bike hard is second to none, in fact the one thing that has come close was flying hang gliders. I got shaky hands every time I landed and the bike was much the same :lolsign: I've not got a bike at the moment though, but I'm seriously considering getting another :drool:

[Ali Tait]

Aye, always been in the back of my mind, as I'm a hopeless petrol head. Mucked about with bikes in my younger days, never got my license though.

[Thing Fish]

I just get excited about reaching the toilet in time these days...:o

[Ninanina]

I just get excited about reaching the toilet in time these days...:o

:rfl::rfl:

[Ali Tait]

I just get excited about reaching the toilet in time these days...:o

Ahhhh....

[Ninanina]

Aye, always been in the back of my mind, as I'm a hopeless petrol head. Mucked about with bikes in my younger days, never got my license though.

It's never too late to get your bike license Ali

I only got my CBT and then my full bike license a few years ago, and I'm pretty old really... kind of a bit of a mid life crisis maybe but one of the most enjoyable things you will EVER do. Seriously I've done some pretty 'on the edge' things in my life but riding a fast motorbike is a real thrill. In fact when I got my first fast motorbike I thought it should be illegal... they are that much fun and kinda risky feeling in some ways... I was always pleased to arrive home in one piece....:D:D:D

Just do it Ali :trust:

[Ali Tait]

Might do, though I'm pretty happy with my V6 Alfas!

[Ninanina]

Might do, though I'm pretty happy with my V6 Alfas!

I know what you mean, I love Alfas too... my Sud was great fun. I always said i'd buy another Alfa some day. But believe me there is absolutely NO comparison to riding a really fast bike.... Ask ANY biker... after you ride a fast bike, cars are just sooo boring, seriously they are that much fun :stalks:

[Ninanina]

Why didn't Klipsh Heresy's ever sell in large quantities in the UK? Wasn't price, but because they BITE YOUR HEAD OFF!!!!!!! Great fun for a few hours, but tiring long term

David you have obviously heard the Klipsch Heresy. Which model were they I, II's or III's ?

Did you hear them at home in your own system?

I think I know why they didn't sell in larger quantities; I know the importer of the Klipsch range from the 90's very well, I have met him a number of times and the most gentle man you could ever meet, a really super guy, but he never imported them in large enough numbers to really make a dent in the UK market which was already flooded with makes such as Mission, Monitor Audio, Linn and many others (which names escape me at the moment, it's late!!) but to be fair I think Klipsch got kind of lost, and horns were maybe a bit misunderstood

I kinda know what you mean when you say they "bite your head off".... They CAN. BUT if you partner them with a good amp, preferably valves, then they are a real treat.. And to be honest unless you have tried them properly it's hard to comment on them

I have also heard the Klipsch La Scalas, I had them at home for a couple of weeks, and they are my favourite speaker of ALL TIME (that I have ACTUALLY heard!!) and if i had room for them i would have them at a flash. If you have not heard them you are missing out, they are probably the closest thing you could have to the full Klipschorns, which are just legendary :)

[Ninanina]

spend the rest on a decent stereo, or better still, some live music :lol:

Thanks also David for your comments but I believe my 'stereo' as you call it, is reasonably good and I also see plenty of live music thanks...;)

Just a thought and all :D:D

[MikeMusic]

I know what you mean, I love Alfas too... my Sud was great fun. I always said i'd buy another Alfa some day. But believe me there is absolutely NO comparison to riding a really fast bike.... Ask ANY biker... after you ride a fast bike, cars are just sooo boring, seriously they are that much fun :stalks:

What time do you go to bed ?!
A Sud owner makes you a certain age :)
I would have loved to have tried one when they were around
Riding a racing bike takes some beating too - in a different way. Cars ? Who wants them ? (except for downpours and ice)

[wiicrackpot]

A Sud owner makes you a certain age :)
I would have loved to have tried one when they were around
Riding a racing bike takes some beating too - in a different way. Cars ? Who wants them ? (except for downpours and ice)
Remember the Sud when they were around but i loved the Lancia Stratos, my first love when i started my interest in cars was the Jensen interceptor, Triumph Dolomite and Stag models, my ultimate drive would be in a Group B Rally Car in Corsica. :fingers:

Agreed about racing bike analogy, first proper racer was a Austro Daimler ( can't afford a Flying Scot that David Rattray sold),
after that i was hooked, the Lycra and colourful jersey's, out emulating Robert Millar, Sean Kelly etc...(actually bought a Duralinox 979 same colour and same Mavic stuff as his).. LOL!!, the liveliness and speed of a racing geometry racer is very addictive, those were the days.

[MikeMusic]

Remember the Sud when they were around but i loved the Lancia Stratos, my first love when i started my interest in cars was the Jensen interceptor, Triumph Dolomite and Stag models, my ultimate drive would be in a Group B Rally Car in Corsica. :fingers:

Agreed about racing bike analogy, first proper racer was a Austro Daimler ( can't afford a Flying Scot that David Rattray sold),
after that i was hooked, the Lycra and colourful jersey's, out emulating Robert Millar, Sean Kelly etc...(actually bought a Duralinox 979 same colour and same Mavic stuff as his).. LOL!!, the liveliness and speed of a racing geometry racer is very addictive, those were the days.
That Stratos was something and a half ....drool......

I put off upgrading my mid 80s Holdsworth way too long
After I heard David Harman saying frame technology jumped in the late 80s about 3 years ago I should have bought
The difference between the Holdsworth and the 2010 Giant TCR is like the old NAD CDp compared to the Isis
:)
The Giant just goes

[wiicrackpot]

That Stratos was something and a half ....drool......

I put off upgrading my mid 80s Holdsworth way too long
After I heard David Harman saying frame technology jumped in the late 80s about 3 years ago I should have bought
The difference between the Holdsworth and the 2010 Giant TCR is like the old NAD CDp compared to the Isis
:)
The Giant just goes
Mike, them Holdsworth's brings back memories, as does Mercian's, :thumbsup: agreed about speed of modern bikes,
how the technology has moved on is amazing, love to be in my teens and starting out now. :(

[MikeMusic]

Mike, them Holdsworth's brings back memories, as does Mercian's, :thumbsup: agreed about speed of modern bikes,
how the technology has moved on is amazing, love to be in my teens and starting out now. :(
The whole package is just so good, the Giant's handling makes the Holdsworth seem like a cross between an RSJ and a truck, the gear changing on the brake levers, the breaking, the sheer speed you can get so easily

[DSJR]

Thanks also David for your comments but I believe my 'stereo' as you call it, is reasonably good and I also see plenty of live music thanks...;)

Just a thought and all :D:D

A screaming speaker will scream in any room, even if bass problems in a room mask it a bit. I have been around a very long time you know Bev and have heard several incarnations of the Heresy over the years. Huge fun but I couldn't eat a whole one :lol:

I also know the Klipshorns, an ancient pair owned by the late and much missed Tom Fletcher (didn't like those much) and a late 90's pair bought new, which were fabulous, the tiny amount of colouration easy to live with and hear through. Rather better than any of the smaller ones I'm afraid since they had the room filling scale to go with the rest and these weren't wired with foo either ;) didn't need to be.......

As for your speaker cables, your money, your choice and of course where else to share your new found audio fun :) Just bear in mind, as I've tried to do recently, that what you see as genuine enthusiasm and loads of posting for your new toys can be taken as 'shilling for the brand' by others left 'out in the cold.' Their problem? probably, but I wouldn't take any chances and that's one reason I rarely come here now compared to past months and years...

[Ali Tait]

Dave, why are you bothered what some numpties on another site say about you?

Not worth bothering about surely?

If they put as much energy into talking about actual hi-fi as they do slagging others off, there might be something worth reading there.

[Colin Wonfor]

A screaming speaker will scream in any room, even if bass problems in a room mask it a bit. I have been around a very long time you know Bev and have heard several incarnations of the Heresy over the years. Huge fun but I couldn't eat a whole one :lol:

I also know the Klipshorns, an ancient pair owned by the late and much missed Tom Fletcher (didn't like those much) and a late 90's pair bought new, which were fabulous, the tiny amount of colouration easy to live with and hear through. Rather better than any of the smaller ones I'm afraid since they had the room filling scale to go with the rest and these weren't wired with foo either ;) didn't need to be.......

As for your speaker cables, your money, your choice and of course where else to share your new found audio fun :) Just bear in mind, as I've tried to do recently, that what you see as genuine enthusiasm and loads of posting for your new toys can be taken as 'shilling for the brand' by others left 'out in the cold.' Their problem? probably, but I wouldn't take any chances and that's one reason I rarely come here now compared to past months and years...

Did you ever hear the Tannoy Westminsters at Tom's, the beam in the room moved and all the nice little nic naks fell off, Tom was a real gent and friend, miss our chats.

[realysm42]

Dave, why are you bothered what some numpties on another site say about you?

Not worth bothering about surely?

If they put as much energy into talking about actual hi-fi as they do slagging others off, there might be something worth reading there.

The busiest thread I've seen on that forum is the one about this one. They should stop being so critical about everyone else, sad state really.

[Ninanina]

The busiest thread I've seen on that forum is the one about this one. They should stop being so critical about everyone else, sad state really.

It's such a sad state isn't it. I never go on the site but occasionally the site is mentioned here. I wonder why they find me and my posts so fascinating? Makes you giggle really :rofl:

[walpurgis]

What time do you go to bed ?!
A Sud owner makes you a certain age :)
I would have loved to have tried one when they were around
Riding a racing bike takes some beating too - in a different way. Cars ? Who wants them ? (except for downpours and ice)

Well I've had a Sud and an Alfa 33 years ago. they were fun! Had plenty of bikes too.

[Tarzan]

My second set of TQ Blacks arrived this morning ( l tried them once before.........):hmm:

[MCRU]

My second set of TQ Blacks arrived this morning ( l tried them once before.........):hmm:

Its a synergy thing fella

Nordost Shiva = TQ Black

ouch :ner:

[Tarzan]

Got my second set of TQ Black from MCRU( sent the first set back, wasn't too keen) but my system has moved on a bit since then, so l was a bit apprehensive on trying a second set( but David was kind enough to send out a second set), and this time they sounded a good deal better( due to system upgrades l reckon, too many to mention here plus some isolation advances) and this time they sounded great, full very smooth and with real solidity and presence, and this time very musical and very detailed without being analytical in any way- so l brought them and am enjoying them- thanks to David at MCRU for advice and patience:).

[Tarzan]

Quick update on the Tellurium Q loudspeaker cablehad them a while now and they are sounding very nicely balanced, ( breaking in?) Harbeths seem to like them.