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bob4333
17-05-2013, 08:02
Following on from my earlier thread (New MC Cartridge - Help Needed), I came across so many positive comments regarding the SAE 1000LT that my thought process couldn’t get past it without knowing what it was like: and the only way was to buy one. I had concerns over it being a high output MC (2.5 mV), but my phono stage gave me a few options to play with. At £225 delivered I’d cry if it turned out to be a disaster but there was really only one way to find out………. and if I then had to move on, so be it. And isn’t this typical of the lottery of buying a new cartridge?

Ordered on the Monday from William Thakker in Germany and posted the same day, it arrived the following Saturday by Royal Mail Recorded, so a quick service from the supplier. Well packaged by Thakker but no fancy presentation box by SAE, just a small plastic pop open container (which I have no issue with) and included a screwdriver, nuts, bolts and a brush.

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Installation was straightforward but alignment took a little thought: not many square or “blocky” parallel surfaces to pick up on.

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Tracking is quoted as 1.8g +/- .3g so I set it at the nominal and started to listen. I switched the Icon Audio phono amp to MM with the dial at 3 o’clock (so about 70%). This brought the usable range on my Musical Fidelity Pre Amp to within it’s normal operating area.

It sounded OK but nothing exceptional. Immediately apparent was the absence of the cold, harsh background to the sound that I was looking to get away from with the OC9 MLII, so that was to the good – but also missing was the sparkling treble that I’d got used to. Maybe this aspect was just the bright nature of the AT cartridge and not sparkling treble at all………? Deep bass didn’t seem too apparent either so after putting 5 hours on it Saturday night I called it quits and went to bed – not gutted, but not overjoyed either.

The cartridge’s next 10 hours or so passed with a frustration akin to just going through the motions and starting to think about other cartridges. The sound was OK but it didn’t excel in any particular area – I could live with it (sort of….) but there was nothing to get excited about. It all seemed so mild mannered. Mark Knopfler’s Fish and the Bird seemed like there was a level of detail missing. I couldn’t give up on it and I reminded myself it was still very new (although being NOS it could be maybe 30 years old?) and I had to admit that it’s different presentation was growing on me a bit in a way I hadn’t anticipated.

Something was definitely changing: there was nothing “shouty” about this cartridge but when I started to turn up the volume a touch it’s scale and range started to blossom, having a warmth to it that the OC9 could only dream about.

At about 25 hours it was like throwing a switch. I thought at first I’d just hit a well recorded track (Steve Winwood, Wake Me Up On Judgement Day). I put something else on (Dire Straits, Ride Across the River followed by Led Zeppelin II then Pink Floyd’s Delicate Sound of Thunder (all of it)).

Suddenly there was separation of the instruments, placement of voices and a smooth dynamic range that had me listening for hours. I’m not going to just rant on and on about it’s virtues – you’ve probably heard the words before, but this is a good performer at a very advantageous price.

Is it perfection? No – of course it isn’t. Bass lines are a big improvement on the OC9 but whilst having plenty of slam they don’t yet have the crisp attack I’m looking for. Front to back sound staging is good but could be a touch wider and a little more shimmer on cymbals would take it from 8/10 to 9. Maybe the next 25 hours will see further change?

I also need have had no worries about it being a high output MC and introducing noise into the system – it doesn’t. It runs just as quietly as the 0.4 mV OC9.

Just because I could, I zeroed the volume control on the phono amp and switched it to MC to see what it was like. Increasing the phono stage control to the 12 o’clock position gave the same relative volume level so not as significantly different as I’d anticipated. But the sound was very different – like it had been turbocharged or had been on a course of steroids. It sounded more alive than it could possibly be! Initially quite appealing but ultimately not something sustainable, especially when turned up a bit. Mild distortion probably played a part.

So – was the SAE 1000LT worth a gamble? For me, in my system, yes (so far). It has lost those things I wanted to lose and gained some of those that I wanted to gain. £225 is a low price for a cartridge delivering this type of performance. I guess the only caveat is taking it’s age into account how long will it last? Who knows - it may last a lifetime - but it’s good at the moment.

Let me also say that there are a lot of good things about the AT-OC9 MLII. I don't want to seem too disparaging about it and I shan't get rid of mine. It just didn't work for me in the chain I have.

DiveDeepDog
17-05-2013, 11:47
I rate it so highly, I've lent it to a friend:doh:

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Gromit
17-05-2013, 12:53
Nice one Bob :)

I'm in the market for a new cartridge at the moment (along with a better phonostage) and the SAE's been on the radar for a while. Bit of a dark horse per chance?

Looks like it from what you're saying. :)

twotone
17-05-2013, 16:35
Great review Bob thanks.

I'm defintely buying one but I've just flogged my digital front end and my TT:doh:

I'm going digital to a DAC and a new/different TT.

Thinking about a Technics, maybe:scratch:

morris_minor
17-05-2013, 17:07
I've got a 1000E on the go at the moment in my Biotracer, with a 1000LT waiting in the wings.

Really happy with the sound!

http://p-mount.net84.net/sony_ps-x600/IMG_6492.jpg

Andy831
17-05-2013, 17:50
Think I may have a completely unused one here somewhere if someone wants to make me an offer, I am very unlikely to use it now I have started off down the SPU road.

Andy

Anti Meep
19-05-2013, 02:22
I really like my LT. Prefer it to the Benz Ace SH. Maybe it's a better match for my phono stage...who knows:) lovely organic sense of rhythm.

twotone
19-05-2013, 10:49
I really like my LT. Prefer it to the Benz Ace SH. Maybe it's a better match for my phono stage...who knows:) lovely organic sense of rhythm.

I've just bought Andy's cart but I currently don't have a TT:doh:

Audio Al
19-05-2013, 13:34
I've just bought Andy's cart but I currently don't have a TT:doh:

Thats OK just send it to me and I can use it for you :lol:

twotone
19-05-2013, 13:47
Thats OK just send it to me and I can use it for you :lol:

Alternatively you can send me a TT:eyebrows:

Andy831
19-05-2013, 15:21
I've just bought Andy's cart but I currently don't have a TT:doh:

Boxed up addressed and ready to go Tony.... will try and post it out tomorrow

Andy

Marco
19-05-2013, 16:11
Hi Andy,

Good to see you popping in. You should visit us more often. I hope you are well :)

Started down the SPU route, eh? Now there's a smart idea! I know a wee bit about that myself... How are you finding the Classic GM?

Marco.

twotone
19-05-2013, 16:18
Boxed up addressed and ready to go Tony.... will try and post it out tomorrow

Andy


No rush Andy, honestly.:)

Anti Meep
19-05-2013, 20:20
I've just bought Andy's cart but I currently don't have a TT:doh:

Mate, doesn't matter which end you kick off from. The pointy end is as good as the blunt end.:cool:

twotone
25-05-2013, 16:22
Mate, doesn't matter which end you kick off from. The pointy end is as good as the blunt end.:cool:


Bought myself a minty mint Technics SL1200 MK2, from Audio Al on the forum, which came with an A&R Cambridge P77 cart. The TT is 'just' a stock MK2 but my goodness what a sound from it.

The last two TT's (Rega P3 & AR XE) I've had don't even get close to these things.

I've ordered two new Technics headshells so once those arrive I'll get the SAE up and running but in the meantime I'm really enjoying listening to vinyl again.

synsei
25-05-2013, 17:07
Oh, you are in for a lot of fun Tony. Congratulations on acquiring an SL1210, as near to fit and forget as you are ever going to get with a TT IMHO... :D

twotone
25-05-2013, 19:44
Oh, you are in for a lot of fun Tony. Congratulations on acquiring an SL1210, as near to fit and forget as you are ever going to get with a TT IMHO... :D

Thanks Dave, it really is fantastic, I'm actually amazed at how good it sounds.

The turntable is a credit to the previous owner, it's basically brand new.

:cool:

Tarzan
27-05-2013, 11:32
Thanks Dave, it really is fantastic, I'm actually amazed at how good it sounds.

The turntable is a credit to the previous owner, it's basically brand new.

:cool:


He is a good egg Al.

twotone
30-05-2013, 18:53
Hi guys got the SAE 1000LT set up and boogying, sounds great to my ears much better than any previous cart I've heard in my system and it's brand new just out of the box so looking forward to when it reveals itself in all it's glory:cool:

Some photos here below in my technics thread.

Tony

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showpost.php?p=449953&postcount=9

Andy831
30-05-2013, 19:32
Phew!!! just glad it works Tony Its sat around in a drawer for two years or so and I have never tried it out so it could easily have been bollock'sed, but clearly not! :)

Enjoy :dance:

twotone
30-05-2013, 19:59
Phew!!! just glad it works Tony Its sat around in a drawer for two years or so and I have never tried it out so it could easily have been bollock'sed, but clearly not! :)

Enjoy :dance:

Thanks Andy, it sounds great it really does, shiting myself setting it up though, one small stupid movement and it's good night Vienna:doh:

Have to say though these carts are complete bargains, think I'll buy another one for a spare if I can get one SH.

I can hear guitar strings really clearly with this cart, really nice sounding, a bit like a Denon DL-110 but much much nicer.

Tony

Nihil Sleighride
30-05-2013, 20:42
In a dilemma now. Got a SL1210 on it's way and was thinking about a 2m bronze but now wondering about this.

twotone
30-05-2013, 21:50
In a dilemma now. Got a SL1210 on it's way and was thinking about a 2m bronze but now wondering about this.

These carts are a total bargain Nihil, apparently the 1000E is just as good as the 1000LT just a different shape diamond but some people say the E is the better cart and they're £70 cheaper, what's not to like?

However if you buy one and it doesn't suit you then you can easily move it on without losing a great deal of money.

Definitely the best cartridge I've had in my system by some way.

Read the other thread by the OP.

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25342

Tony

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAE-1000E-1000-E-MC-High-Output-Cartridge-NEW-/200512254014?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eaf76303e

Nihil Sleighride
31-05-2013, 05:28
Cheers for the link Tony. Going to give one a go.

twotone
02-06-2013, 11:33
Have to say that this cartidge is really bleeding fantastic:eek:

I've had it playing almost non-stop since I set it up, (well obviously not through the night!) and it really has improved, totally amazing with Jazz and most music it does however show up dodgy recordings big time.

Some albums I thought were pretty well recorded before are actually shite:doh:

Really good recordings though are just fantastic.

I had thought previously that record cartridges and needles were to be filed in the same drawer as cables as in they were all pretty much of a muchness and some of them were way over priced just like cables but I've changed my mind on the cartridge front, at least:eyebrows:

BTW, for reference I'm just using my amp's (AR A60) internal MM phono stage and a pair of JR149 monitor speakers.

Tony

morris_minor
02-06-2013, 14:51
The SAE's good isn't it! I'm using mine with a Graham Slee Reflex M phono amp and it sounds great on virtually everything I throw at it. Small group jazz, Baroque and choral music is especially satisfying, but it handles stuff like Green Day and big, bombastic symphonies equally well.

twotone
02-06-2013, 16:44
The SAE's good isn't it! I'm using mine with a Graham Slee Reflex M phono amp and it sounds great on virtually everything I throw at it. Small group jazz, Baroque and choral music is especially satisfying, but it handles stuff like Green Day and big, bombastic symphonies equally well.

Hi Bob, yep I read pages of stuff about this cart before buying one and all of the stuff said more or less that it was as good as I'm experiencing.

Mine was good from the off though but it certainly has got better with some hours.

However I'm comparing it to the carts I have used previously which were good but I don't think anyone them ,with the exception of a Goldring, were in the same leauge as the SAE.

Tony