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Hi guys, my new Arcam drdock arrived the other day:eyebrows: I cant believe how good it is, this really is a nice bit of kit. Its built like a battleship and looks the part too. Sound quality wise it's totally turned my system around:stalks: I'm already thinking about getting the matching Arcam rdac:eyebrows:
Here's some pics changed back from my 780se's to my Neats:)
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/001-34_zps1e944738.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/001-34_zps1e944738.jpg.html)
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Lovely looking system there Jason. I'm seriously considering getting a Cambridge or Arcam dock that will support an ipad purely for music.
Your system is so Zen Jason, it is utterly beautiful in its simplicity and functionality. The amp is just gorgeous and your speakers are really 'Neat' ;)
Lovely looking system there Jason. I'm seriously considering getting a Cambridge or Arcam dock that will support an ipad purely for music.
Thanks Adrian, well I can't vouch for the Cambridge but I think the Arcam is the dogs:stalks:. I was just about to give up on the ipod glad I give the dock ago now it really does play music:cool: It also connects to the tv to watch films/music vids and takes the ipad too:)
Your system is so Zen Jason, it is utterly beautiful in its simplicity and functionality. The amp is just gorgeous and your speakers are really 'Neat' ;)
Thanks Dave very kind;)
Great looking setup.. and nice pictures too.
What DAC are you using? And which camera? :)
Cheers dude, The dock I'm using is a Arcam dr dock with built in dac. But I'm thinking of adding the Arcam rdac, if the dock is anything to go by the rdac should be a good upgrade :). My camera is a Canon 7d.
Great camera there.. are you into pro photography or a serious hobby?
That's some creamy bokeh in the first two pics (sorry for the OT)
Idlewithnodrive
25-04-2013, 14:42
Very stylish, minimalist system you got yourself there Jason, the polar opposite to mine ;-)
The Black Adder
25-04-2013, 20:22
Very nice... but there is no dust. Where is the dust?
Rare Bird
25-04-2013, 20:23
Only idle gitz have dust :)
belloire
26-04-2013, 16:43
those are a lovely looking pair of speakers Jason. i hope they sound as good as they look :)
i have a pure i20 ipod dock, similar spec by the looks of things but nowhere near as nice looking. (i don't use it now though as i have a sonos....)
is this a second system? there doesn't appear to be a 1210 anywhere? ;)
SonicHammer
26-04-2013, 18:39
Nice system Jason! Nice pics too!
Never had a chance to listen to Sugden/Neat combo. I presume it sounds pretty good. :)
Great camera there.. are you into pro photography or a serious hobby?
That's some creamy bokeh in the first two pics (sorry for the OT)
Thanks mate:) I'm no pro but I wish I was:eyebrows: I do have some studio lights though these make a big difference to the pics, here's a pic of my photography set up.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/043-5.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/043-5.jpg.html)
Very stylish, minimalist system you got yourself there Jason, the polar opposite to mine ;-)
:lol:Thanks Mike glad you like it;)
losenotaminute
28-04-2013, 18:02
Thanks mate:) I'm no pro but I wish I was:eyebrows: I do have some studio lights though these make a big difference to the pics, here's a pic of my photography set up.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/043-5.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/043-5.jpg.html)
That picture isn't very good, it would be better if you had some studio lights.... :scratch:
Very nice... but there is no dust. Where is the dust?
Thanks Joe, I 've been collecting the dust to load the speaker stands:lol::eyebrows:
those are a lovely looking pair of speakers Jason. i hope they sound as good as they look :)
i have a pure i20 ipod dock, similar spec by the looks of things but nowhere near as nice looking. (i don't use it now though as i have a sonos....)
is this a second system? there doesn't appear to be a 1210 anywhere? ;)
Thanks Darren, I really do like the neats there great speakers. I've nearly sold them a few times but I'm glad I didn't they sound stunning no matter what system there on. I'm trying to stay away from decks for a while, after spending nearly £4000 setting the last turntable up and still wanting more:eyebrows: so I thought I would go down the digital path to save some cash" but even now the money is racking up again, £250 on the Ipod £200 on the dock next upgrade will be the matching arcam rdock at £300, and I thought the digital path was going to be cheap:doh::lol:
Nice system Jason! Nice pics too!
Never had a chance to listen to Sugden/Neat combo. I presume it sounds pretty good. :)
Thanks Sima;) yes mate they sound great together very smooth stunning with jazz music its a valve sound but with power:)
Hi Guys, I'm new to the world of digital and being born in the 70s the only digital I had was a pen with a clock on:) Anyway I'm thinking about a new DAC for my Arcam Ipod dock the obvious choice is the Arcam rdac but I was just wondering can any dac be used with this dock?
Just to add I've just been looking at a Beresford Caiman Dac, would this connect to my Arcam dock/and Sugden amp?
Sure would, Jason!
And would probably change the sound a bit too, but i cannot say in which direction...
On the other hand you could muster up an old CD player to use as transport also, and have another option for source!
Regards, Mike
Sure would, Jason!
And would probably change the sound a bit too, but i cannot say in which direction...
On the other hand you could muster up an old CD player to use as transport also, and have another option for source!
Regards, Mike
Thanks for the info Mike;)
I have my eye on a few used ones on ebay, the Beresford, the MF old style round one, the Arcam rdac, and the Rega. Anyone used or still using any of these dacs would love to here what you think:)
I mainly listen to jazz and Zappa.
Cheers
Jason.
Jason,
Great looking system! Very sleek! You did it right!!
I have Cambridge doc connect to the the Bushmaster Dac and am very happy with it.
But if you go that route, wait for the new one - it has a new powersupply that may make linear PSP unnecessary.
How do you like the Neats? Im looking for some replacement speakers that are not harsh/fatiguing.
Stu
Jason,
Great looking system! Very sleek! You did it right!!
I have Cambridge doc connect to the the Bushmaster Dac and am very happy with it.
But if you go that route, wait for the new one - it has a new powersupply that may make linear PSP unnecessary.
How do you like the Neats? Im looking for some replacement speakers that are not harsh/fatiguing.
Stu
Hi Stu thanks for the info mate;) I've nearly sold the neat's quite a few times over the years I've had them but I'm glad I didn't now. There a great pair of speakers and they never sound harsh they just seem to get better every time I upgrade anything in the system. There a top quality speaker build and sound and never fail to impress they fill my room with sound no problem 19ft x 12ft. I don't think you would be disappointed if you bought a pair, I listen to jazz, Zappa, the who, Christopher cross, and they always sound perfect to me:)
Apple and Sugden, an oxymoron!
Apple and Neat, an oxymoron!
Apple and anything: No no no.
Yes I am a member of the 'anything but Apple' brigade. But maybe I am the moron :-> Presumably you play Apple's lossless format.
I have to say though I just love the simplicity of your system. Everything looks cool, right down to Neat's 'n' logo. Also + 1 on the fab photography - clearly you have more than one channel of artistry. Taste, man, taste!
Apple and Sugden, an oxymoron!
Apple and Neat, an oxymoron!
Apple and anything: No no no.
Yes I am a member of the 'anything but Apple' brigade. But maybe I am the moron :-> Presumably you play Apple's lossless format.
I have to say though I just love the simplicity of your system. Everything looks cool, right down to Neat's 'n' logo. Also + 1 on the fab photography - clearly you have more than one channel of artistry. Taste, man, taste!
Thanks Andrei glad you like the system:) as I say I'm very new to digital so I haven't downloaded the music on the lossless format yet or even sussed out how to do it. But soon as I get a new DAC I hope to learn:)
The 'Lossless' is code for CD quality. But I think you should go that route to do justice to your amp and speakers. I think the format is ALAC.
Those Neat's are gorgeous looking Jason and the setup looks great :)
The 'Lossless' is code for CD quality. But I think you should go that route to do justice to your amp and speakers. I think the format is ALAC.
Hi Andrei thanks for the info mate;)
Those Neat's are gorgeous looking Jason and the setup looks great :)
Thanks Paul glad you like it;) I have to agree with you on the Neat's I love em too:) they do sound amazing I can't imagine what the top of the range Neat's sound like they must be unreal:dance:
Thanks Paul glad you like it;) I have to agree with you on the Neat's I love em too:) they do sound amazing I can't imagine what the top of the range Neat's sound like they must be unreal:dance:
I've heard many at shows Jason and they do sound rather impressive... I really like the models with tweeters built in to the top of the speaker... although I might have to sell my car, house and wife before I could even consider affording a pair of them.
Paul.
I might have to sell my car, house and wife before I could even consider affording a pair of them.
Paul.
What are you waiting for - man up!
What are you waiting for - man up!
No Rob, she's scary :lol:
what like this?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/saxonsex/peggymount_zps4ca65aa9.png
Na worse, my wife's got red hair and the temperament that comes with it :lol:
My wife's left me.
Actually she's upstairs ill in bed.....I get to play:D
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:
My wife's left me.
Actually she's upstairs ill in bed.....I get to play:D
:lol:
Hi guy's, here's a quick pick of my new upgrade. I started the thread using the Arcam drdock but I've now upgraded to the Arcam IR DAC:) I've had a short listen to it the other day and have to say this bit of kit is stunning I never thought a ipod could sound so good. I've a few more upgrades to add in the next week or so so I'll keep updated:)
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/052_zpsf5fcec8c.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/052_zpsf5fcec8c.jpg.html)
Nice Jason... so what is the Orange box on the left hand side of your cabinet?
Thanks Paul, it's a DAB radio the orange one make is sonoro go London, here's a link mate there a great radio runs off battery or mains too:)
http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/400553496111?var=gv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y&lpid=65&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=65
Hi :) just wondered if anyone could help at the moment I am using the thin standard white cable you see in the pic from my DAC to Ipod. What I was wanting to know can I get a better cable for this, or could I use the coax inputs on the rear of the DAC into a jack plug for the ipod?
Cheers
Jason.
Jason
Did you already sell the drdock?
If not, suggest you try this. Ipod->drdock->coax cable->irDac
I found using a coax cable helped the sound - it also make for a great place to keep the ipod.
See if it makes a difference - you may find adding a linear power supply could too (on both...)
Stu
Hi :) just wondered if anyone could help at the moment I am using the thin standard white cable you see in the pic from my DAC to Ipod. What I was wanting to know can I get a better cable for this, or could I use the coax inputs on the rear of the DAC into a jack plug for the ipod?
Cheers
Jason.
I'll agree with Stubies on this one. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a suitable cable of audiophile quality to connect you iThingy directly to the irDAC.
Of course, there's always the comfy solution of adding a hidden Airport Express and connecting this via optical to your DAC. You'll then be able to output almost everything wirelessly (is that a word?) from your iThingy ;)
Yes, you will loose some audio quality, but i assure you it'll still sound very good! :)
Regards /Mike
Hi Stu thanks for the reply. I still have the dock at the min but I have not tried it as I thought using the ipod direct to the IRDAC would be less connections than using the dock too. I'll give a try though before I sell it. I like the sound of the linear power supply though, I'm quite new to digital due to using a turntable for the past 20 odd years. Do you have any recommendations for a linear power supply?Cheers
Jason.
Jason
Did you already sell the drdock?
If not, suggest you try this. Ipod->drdock->coax cable->irDac
I found using a coax cable helped the sound - it also make for a great place to keep the ipod.
See if it makes a difference - you may find adding a linear power supply could too (on both...)
Stu
Hi Mike thanks for the advice mate this maybe something I might try;)
Cheers
Jason.
I'll agree with Stubies on this one. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a suitable cable of audiophile quality to connect you iThingy directly to the irDAC.
Of course, there's always the comfy solution of adding a hidden Airport Express and connecting this via optical to your DAC. You'll then be able to output almost everything wirelessly (is that a word?) from your iThingy ;)
Yes, you will loose some audio quality, but i assure you it'll still sound very good! :)
Regards /Mike
Hi guys back again sorry for lack of know how surrounding digital but am I right in thinking a coax cable is just one standard interconnect?
Cheers
Jason.
Andrew B
26-08-2013, 16:07
Hi, Jason. Coaxial digital is just single phono to single phono. I thought you were looking for an audiophile version of the Sync Lead that Apple supply with IPods (Apple connector at one end and USB at the other). Am I getting my wires crossed?
Apologies in advance if I am.
Hi, Jason. Coaxial digital is just single phono to single phono. I thought you were looking for an audiophile version of the Sync Lead that Apple supply with IPods (Apple connector at one end and USB at the other). Am I getting my wires crossed?
Apologies in advance if I am.
Hi Andrew thanks for your reply mate and thanks for clearing that up regarding the coax cable;) I was looking for an audiophile version of the Apple lead but then Stu suggested I try the DRDOCK on the IRDAC instead of using the basic Apple lead direct so then I could do away with it. So I was just trying to suss out what a coax cable was as this is what I now need to connect them together.
PS sorry for the confusion I'm confusing myself at the moment with all this wire talk:lol:
Just got these too wired up together and to my suprise it sounds much better than using the ipod direct to the dac via the standard Apple cable. So a big thanks to Stu for is advice;) At the moment I'm only using the standard coax lead that came with the dac so I'm hoping a new better coax will really make them sing:dance: I still can't believe this has now totaled up to a £850 digital front end with the ipod drdock ir dac and this is without cables.
Here's a quick pic of them together although the pic doesn't do them justice, they look the dogs in the flesh:stalks::stalks:
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/002_zps3add6946.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/002_zps3add6946.jpg.html)
Hi all:) had a good day today isolating my bits my new Russ Andrews cones and feet arrived today so that's the speakers and stands sorted, the stands are filled too with the atacama bits. I've added some sorba feet to the dac and the dock, also the amp is isolated with the Avid. I've not had a listen yet as I haven't had time :(
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/016_zps333fdb5a.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/016_zps333fdb5a.jpg.html)
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/015_zpsf0ccb81c.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/015_zpsf0ccb81c.jpg.html)
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/014_zpse6d6dbbd.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/014_zpse6d6dbbd.jpg.html)
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/paintedhead1234/013_zpse385de48.jpg (http://s1071.photobucket.com/user/paintedhead1234/media/013_zpse385de48.jpg.html)
Forgot to add I've isolated the granite plinths too with 4 feet under each bit:)
walpurgis
07-09-2013, 08:49
Forgot to add I've isolated the granite plinths too with 4 feet under each bit:)
"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D
"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D
LOL :)
"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D
:D Hahaha! ;)
Seriously though, great photography Jason! :)
I'm having difficulties motivating the cost of the wood cones though, do you believe they were worth it?
Regards Mike
:D Hahaha! ;)
Seriously though, great photography Jason! :)
I'm having difficulties motivating the cost of the wood cones though, do you believe they were worth it?
Regards Mike
Hi Mike after a couple of hours of listening there is definitely a difference in the sound and it's not for the worse, I think I need a few more hours listening time to put my finger on it. Are they worth £104.00 for 8 cones and 8 spike feet I'm not sure yet they don't make a difference as a new cable would that's for sure.
The Black Adder
10-09-2013, 16:10
I'm afraid I'm also of a skeptical opinion regarding the cones in those positions and I'm afraid and I'm a total unbeliever in regards to wooden cable risers.. That's a lot of green to lay out. Be good to hear your report back once you have had a good listen. If I could make a suggestion, if you could do this over a relaxed time frame and live with them for a while I feel that would be more beneficial.
I have tried cones on cd players which sit on glass surfaces and found them to improve the stage, but place the player on a fully wooden surface and the result is negotiable to no difference.
Nice neat system though. :)
Sovereign
10-09-2013, 22:01
Placing oak cones under my CD player was the first tweak I did, many moons ago now.
My hifi was in my bedroom at the time, I remember receiving the cones in the post, putting them under the CD player and jumping back into bed. I hit play to a Stereophonics album, I jumped up in bed and couldn't believe what I heard.
Maybe it was just me but the difference was there to hear.
My big OB speaker have always sat on coasters on carpet. Last year I put them on oak cones on carpet and everything tightened up and opened up.
You don't have to buy the cones from RA they are a lot cheaper from ebay
I'm afraid I'm also of a skeptical opinion regarding the cones in those positions and I'm afraid and I'm a total unbeliever in regards to wooden cable risers.. That's a lot of green to lay out. Be good to hear your report back once you have had a good listen. If I could make a suggestion, if you could do this over a relaxed time frame and live with them for a while I feel that would be more beneficial.
I have tried cones on cd players which sit on glass surfaces and found them to improve the stage, but place the player on a fully wooden surface and the result is negotiable to no difference.
Nice neat system though. :)
Thanks Joe and yes your right there I'll take the time to relax and listen over some time, then I think I'll remove them again too to see what the difference has really been:)
Placing oak cones under my CD player was the first tweak I did, many moons ago now.
My hifi was in my bedroom at the time, I remember receiving the cones in the post, putting them under the CD player and jumping back into bed. I hit play to a Stereophonics album, I jumped up in bed and couldn't believe what I heard.
Maybe it was just me but the difference was there to hear.
My big OB speaker have always sat on coasters on carpet. Last year I put them on oak cones on carpet and everything tightened up and opened up.
You don't have to buy the cones from RA they are a lot cheaper from ebay
Hi James I did spot the ones on ebay and was going to get them but I think I would of always wondered if the RAs ones would have been better, then knowing me I would still ended up getting them too:)
Audioman
11-09-2013, 21:07
Hi James I did spot the ones on ebay and was going to get them but I think I would of always wondered if the RAs ones would have been better, then knowing me I would still ended up getting them too:)
They are both Oak and cones - won't be much difference. These basically have the same effect as spikes but less ringing if you have glass shelves. If you upgrade your coax a Mark Grant HD1000 does a fine job. I can't see any more expensive making much difference as you are just transferring a digital signal. RA just charges about 10 times what it costs him. He tried to buy speaker stands from a guy who sells on Ebay at around £150 and was aiming to resell for £800.
The Black Adder
11-09-2013, 21:44
Cool man, take your time with them but I really would suggest to save your money and get the ones on ebay.. As Paul said matey... Oak is Oak. Unless he's developed a new kind of Oak of course... lol
Step away from the fluff.. lol :eyebrows:
The Black Adder
12-09-2013, 06:33
In fact our good ol MCRU sell them... Great price too.
http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/equipment-supports/334-oak-cone-feet-set-of-3.html
Thanks for the help guy's and the link;)
Gordon Steadman
17-09-2013, 06:07
I have a load of oak in my woodpile. And a lathe!!:eyebrows:
A normal set of four round things would probably be about £20 but if you want audiophile quality, its £100:doh:
I can see the wanting to gut nice stuff for the hi-fi but I just can't understand why anyone would want to pay rip off prices for something any half decent turner could do blindfold.
PS. I reckon the cost price of each foot would be about £1. That includes materials, electricity, time and deterioration of tools. Each one would take me about two minutes. There must be woodturners in yellow pages.
337alant
17-09-2013, 16:46
Great system Gordon minimalist but stylish ;)
Alan
Gordon Steadman
17-09-2013, 16:53
Great system Gordon minimalist but stylish ;)
Alan
Actually, its Jason's system but I agree with your comment!!:)
I have a load of oak in my woodpile. And a lathe!!:eyebrows:
A normal set of four round things would probably be about £20 but if you want audiophile quality, its £100:doh:
I can see the wanting to gut nice stuff for the hi-fi but I just can't understand why anyone would want to pay rip off prices for something any half decent turner could do blindfold.
PS. I reckon the cost price of each foot would be about £1. That includes materials, electricity, time and deterioration of tools. Each one would take me about two minutes. There must be woodturners in yellow pages.
I totally see what you mean Alan and I agree with other members that oak is oak. But how come RA's are charging so much and why do people buy them, I've seen the ones on ebay at just a few quid so I'm wondering sound aside are the RA's ones better made ie a more solid oak if its possible?
Gordon Steadman
17-09-2013, 17:42
I totally see what you mean Alan and I agree with other members that oak is oak. But how come RA's are charging so much and why do people buy them, I've seen the ones on ebay at just a few quid so I'm wondering sound aside are the RA's ones better made ie a more solid oak if its possible?
Whilst its true that there are different varieties of oak, I don't think the density varies that much between them. I don't know why oak should used apart from the fact that its tough stuff and will stand having bloody great speakers shoved on top of it.
I use oak domes to take the spikes under my speakers - to protect the floor. Its very dense indeed, made from old beams. I remain unconvinced that its the material anyway, I'm sure that if there is a real result, its more likely to be the very small surface that the equipment rests on. So spikes or wood?? Is there a difference? Dunno!
Whilst its true that there are different varieties of oak, I don't think the density varies that much between them. I don't know why oak should used apart from the fact that its tough stuff and will stand having bloody great speakers shoved on top of it.
I use oak domes to take the spikes under my speakers - to protect the floor. Its very dense indeed, made from old beams. I remain unconvinced that its the material anyway, I'm sure that if there is a real result, its more likely to be the very small surface that the equipment rests on. So spikes or wood?? Is there a difference? Dunno!
Now I've had time to think about it Alan I'm not convinced anymore that there would be any difference between the RA's ones and the ones on ebay but I'm £104.00 down now so I'll have to live with it LOL. I think in the future though if I get anymore hi fi boxes I'll buy some of the cheap ones on ebay and swap them with the RA's and see if there is any difference. I think I got caught up in the moment when I looked on the RA's site:lol::sofa:
Sovereign
17-09-2013, 22:39
I bought 40mm oak dowel and had one of my carpenters turn it for me into cones. I have loads, maybe 15 or so, Russ Andrews oak cones and the difference in density is large. The RA ones are very dense and heavy, the ones I had made were lighter and the grain is further apart and therefore the ones I had made are less dense.
Do they sound any different? I have no idea, never compared them but I would suggest RA uses a better quality oak then what is readily available.
walpurgis
17-09-2013, 22:48
You've just reminded me, I must set my lathe up. Here's a tip if you want some nice wood for cones etc., have a poke around the charity shops. They often have old imported carvings and statues made of rosewood and the like going cheap.
Gordon Steadman
18-09-2013, 04:46
I bought 40mm oak dowel and had one of my carpenters turn it for me into cones. I have loads, maybe 15 or so, Russ Andrews oak cones and the difference in density is large. The RA ones are very dense and heavy, the ones I had made were lighter and the grain is further apart and therefore the ones I had made are less dense.
Do they sound any different? I have no idea, never compared them but I would suggest RA uses a better quality oak then what is readily available.
Any dowel is going to be made of cheap stuff, mostly sapwood, strong enough for the purpose. The dense bit is the heartwood and that is where any quality timber resides. We use the sapwood I cut off for kindling on the fire.
I suppose one could be impressed that RA's supplier knows his stuff but not by the retail price which is somewhat less than reasonable.
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