Simple Naim 82 rewire

[MikeMusic]

James at Whest advises me that replacing some wires in my Naim 82 will make a very big difference to SQ.

Looking at the pic of the internals I can see the wires he means, coming from the volume and balance controls. Need to open up the 82 for a good look

I will make sure I'm up to this and practice my soldering before I start

I need some copper OFC or Linear Crystal wiring, to replace the control (?) wiring
Best place for that or does someone have some spare ?

My first post in this bit. I'm not confident about much hifi DIY.....

[Firebottle]

More power to your elbow Mike.

This might be teaching granny etc. but here's some advice about soldering:

Apply the hot soldering iron bit to the joint then apply solder to the joint, not the iron.
This ensures the joint is hot enough for the solder to flow properly.
Allow the solder to cool before putting any stress on the wires/components.

:cool:Alan

[UV101]

Not sure I fully agree with that ;)

You'll need some solder on the bit 1st otherwise you'll not conduct the heat into the joint. As soon as the joint is hot you can do as above.......

As stated, to sure if sucking eggs but hopefully good advise none the less :D

[DSJR]

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Anyone would think that Naim didn't know a thing about amp and preamp design and layout. Maybe not, since the basic design of circuit *supposedly* predates the Quad 33 from the same design source (I was told) in the mid 60's, but the best thing you can do to the 82 wiring if it hasn't been done already is to remove some cable ties around the volume control area, separating the cables a little. This did make a tiny difference to the sonics, but not in a groundshaking way.

Look Mike, changing a few inches of well soldered (more than) amply specified wire is only going to make you feel better. The used value of your old preamp will plummet and the soldering skill may also let it down if you're not really good at it. Doing this still isn't going to fix the noise, gain and the separation issues in the SNAIC cables, so if you're up for it, some better inter-Naim interconnects may be where you should be looking - and a Supercap if you don't already have one. A 52 would also blow an 82 away, and this using similar wires inside - those that know would also tell you that a Croft 25R or EAR and similar would see an 82 off, but you don't want to hear that so I won't push it..

PLEASE leave the bloody thing alone and change the 82 for something more modern if you want a better sound. I do know what I'm on about in this, honestly, and it's not uninformed generalisation either.

[UV101]

Maybe you need something else to solder. /\ lol :D

[MikeMusic]

More power to your elbow Mike.

This might be teaching granny etc. but here's some advice about soldering:

Apply the hot soldering iron bit to the joint then apply solder to the joint, not the iron.
This ensures the joint is hot enough for the solder to flow properly.
Allow the solder to cool before putting any stress on the wires/components.

:cool:Alan

I have soldered before, a lot even. Don't seem to be Mr.Lucky
After Dave's comments below I shall leave well alone !

[MikeMusic]

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Anyone would think that Naim didn't know a thing about amp and preamp design and layout. Maybe not, since the basic design of circuit *supposedly* predates the Quad 33 from the same design source (I was told) in the mid 60's, but the best thing you can do to the 82 wiring if it hasn't been done already is to remove some cable ties around the volume control area, separating the cables a little. This did make a tiny difference to the sonics, but not in a groundshaking way.

Look Mike, changing a few inches of well soldered (more than) amply specified wire is only going to make you feel better. The used value of your old preamp will plummet and the soldering skill may also let it down if you're not really good at it. Doing this still isn't going to fix the noise, gain and the separation issues in the SNAIC cables, so if you're up for it, some better inter-Naim interconnects may be where you should be looking - and a Supercap if you don't already have one. A 52 would also blow an 82 away, and this using similar wires inside - those that know would also tell you that a Croft 25R or EAR and similar would see an 82 off, but you don't want to hear that so I won't push it..

PLEASE leave the bloody thing alone and change the 82 for something more modern if you want a better sound. I do know what I'm on about in this, honestly, and it's not uninformed generalisation either.
Thanks for the advice Dave
I wasn't wedded to the idea and did wonder about killing the 2nd hand value.
*Me* changing wiring will always place doubts in my mind, even if it sounds better. It's not a filed I work in.
James also suggested changing the SNAICsto get much better SQ
What make of cables would you think ?
I assume Yannis could make some nice ones, but if/when I move the 82 on what sort of resale value might they have ......

Improving my Pre Amp, almost certainly with another box is my next project.
This was just a 'what if ?' started off by James at Whest Audio

[MikeMusic]

Maybe you need something else to solder. /\ lol :D
I still have to get around to getting NACA5 into an XLR. Horrid job

[Sonority]

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Anyone would think that Naim didn't know a thing about amp and preamp design and layout. Maybe not, since the basic design of circuit *supposedly* predates the Quad 33 from the same design source (I was told) in the mid 60's, but the best thing you can do to the 82 wiring if it hasn't been done already is to remove some cable ties around the volume control area, separating the cables a little. This did make a tiny difference to the sonics, but not in a groundshaking way.

Look Mike, changing a few inches of well soldered (more than) amply specified wire is only going to make you feel better. The used value of your old preamp will plummet and the soldering skill may also let it down if you're not really good at it. Doing this still isn't going to fix the noise, gain and the separation issues in the SNAIC cables, so if you're up for it, some better inter-Naim interconnects may be where you should be looking - and a Supercap if you don't already have one. A 52 would also blow an 82 away, and this using similar wires inside - those that know would also tell you that a Croft 25R or EAR and similar would see an 82 off, but you don't want to hear that so I won't push it..

PLEASE leave the bloody thing alone and change the 82 for something more modern if you want a better sound. I do know what I'm on about in this, honestly, and it's not uninformed generalisation either.

Absolutely agree 100%
Your 500 & your ears will truly thank you when you do this.

[DSJR]

Mike, I'm so sorry to come over all patronising at times :(

If you like the way Naim do things, then either a 52/Supercap (can't remember if you have the supply already) or ask Les at Avondale about one of his, although it may be too basic for your needs.

Alternative pre's. Well, I've w@nked on about Croft enough and recently TrioLeo has told me/us about the circuit tweaks made to the lovely looking (and to operate) Albarry preamp (no remote control though). The used market sometimes throws up a Levinson ML28 at under a grand (used 82 money) and if interfaced properly, these were amongst the very best solid state preamps ever made IMO, the later models just far more complex but not necessarily "better" IMO. As an olive branch to Jerry (who's peed off that I don't much care for his Krell KAV250 power amp and dared to say so), the upper-caste Krell KRC2 preamp was another long lasting goodie (I think Simon SQ had one too) and although they sugar and warm things up rather, so aren't "HiFi" in the strictest sense of the term to get as close as possible to the source, the late 90's ARC LS25 and Reference preamps still have a following and hold reasonable value by now.

Loads of others of course, but the NAP should be able to take them ok since it uses later spec transistors. But short of looking at the wires around the volume control in your 82 and removing any cable ties (later samples did this in production IIRC), I'd sell it on and look upwards or elsewhere :)

[MikeMusic]

Mike, I'm so sorry to come over all patronising at times :(

If you like the way Naim do things, then either a 52/Supercap (can't remember if you have the supply already) or ask Les at Avondale about one of his, although it may be too basic for your needs.

Alternative pre's. Well, I've w@nked on about Croft enough and recently TrioLeo has told me/us about the circuit tweaks made to the lovely looking (and to operate) Albarry preamp (no remote control though). The used market sometimes throws up a Levinson ML28 at under a grand (used 82 money) and if interfaced properly, these were amongst the very best solid state preamps ever made IMO, the later models just far more complec but not necessarily "better" IMO. As an olive branch to Jerry (who's peed off that I don't much care for his Krell KAV250 power amp and dared to say so), the upper-caste Krell KRC2 preamp was another long lasting goodie (I think Simon SQ had one too) and although they sugar and warm things up rather, so aren't "HiFi" in the strictest sense of the term to get as close as possible to the source, the late 90's ARC LS25 and Reference preamps still have a following and hold reasonable value by now.

Loads of others of course, but the NAP should be able to take them ok since it uses later spec transistors. But short of looking at the wires around the volume control in your 82 and removing any cable ties (later samples did this in production IIRC), I'd sell it on and look upwards or elsewhere :)

Hey I’m still here !
Keep talking
I’m after the best sound I can get. If Naim doesn’t have it I’ll move on (must sell some kit soon though !)

Croft is on my short list as is Pass Labs, courtesy of Martin T.

I need a remote and I want reliable 2nd hand with the ability to get it fixed. New a possibility

The system has made the big jump up in SQ I needed – perhaps surprising considering the 82 must be causing a bottleneck - so there is no rush to tweak the system

If a bargain of some sort comes up I will be tempted

How old are the accurate Levinson and Krell alternatives with remotes ?
How easy to fix when they break ?
(I can break anything)

[YNWaN]

After Dave's comments below I shall leave well alone !

That strikes me as a wise decision.

[DSJR]

Needing a remote cancels out most of my recommendations, but hey ho :lol:

The 52 gains in spaciousness and "air" in the same way the 82 gained in these aspects over the 71, 102 and suchlike and I think they're becoming better priced now on the ysed market.

Not too sure about interconnect cable suggestions. The supply to power amp connections used to be three core 2A mains cable, unshielded and ruining the stereo separation, with the SNAICS being similarly unscreened internally, the audible effect is to over-widen the centre image and narrow the extremes (I wired a Linn LK1 into a Quad 405-2 with a SNAIC once and lo and behold, the combo sounded like a Naim...). Avondale should be consulted and I believe there are other companies making alternatives too, but watch the prices asked. Flashback Sales do them too, but not sure if they're not direct copies of the Naim ones using same plugs and cables..

Hope this helps :)

[MikeMusic]

Needing a remote cancels out most of my recommendations, but hey ho :lol:

The 52 gains in spaciousness and "air" in the same way the 82 gained in these aspects over the 71, 102 and suchlike and I think they're becoming better priced now on the ysed market.

Not too sure about interconnect cable suggestions. The supply to power amp connections used to be three core 2A mains cable, unshielded and ruining the stereo separation, with the SNAICS being similarly unscreened internally, the audible effect is to over-widen the centre image and narrow the extremes (I wired a Linn LK1 into a Quad 405-2 with a SNAIC once and lo and behold, the combo sounded like a Naim...). Avondale should be consulted and I believe there are other companies making alternatives too, but watch the prices asked. Flashback Sales do them too, but not sure if they're not direct copies of the Naim ones using same plugs and cables..

Hope this helps :)

Ah that’s a pain

A main reason to go from the 32.5 to an 82 was the remote and not have a long speaker cable run.
Very useful to be able to switch and control from the seat.
With the new room I'm now in the speaker cables would either go across the room or be so long as to be silly

The thing about the 52 is you have to take 2 steps up the Naim ladder with the need for a Supercap or similar
If it was just a 52 I would have done it a couple of years ago.
I considered a Supercap for the 82 in the interim

The interconnects raise all sorts of questions.
I bought a Phono-XLR connection for a Phono output Pre to the Naim 500 from Flashback in preparation for comparisons. I assume it works !

Sounds like 82 -52 even with Supercap would be just about worthwhile but not significant and a stop gap

[Alex_UK]

What you need is a Rega Brio-R.

http://www.evmag.fr/images/Audio193-Lyon-2011-Rega-Brio2.png

:rfl:

[MikeMusic]

What you need is a Rega Brio-R.

:rfl:
Does have a remote
:)
If the Osiris is as good as the Isis that would be interesting to hear
Assume out done by 82/500 but I wonder .....

[Alex_UK]

Not sure about the Naim comparison, but the Osiris is nearly as good as the Brio so might be an acceptable compromise! ;)

[MikeMusic]

Not sure about the Naim comparison, but the Osiris is nearly as good as the Brio so might be an acceptable compromise! ;)

The Osiris is about £6000 isn't it ?............

[Alex_UK]

Sorry Mike - you're missing my humour, apologies - The Osiris is certainly in a different league, not least the price tag, and I wasn't seriously suggesting the Brio-R is better, hence the "winking" smiley! ;)

[MikeMusic]

Sorry Mike - you're missing my humour, apologies - The Osiris is certainly in a different league, not least the price tag, and I wasn't seriously suggesting the Brio-R is better, hence the "winking" smiley! ;)

Ahahahaha
Didn't really know the Brio until you brought it up
I assume the Osiris can be outclassed by many especially as integrated, but also assume VFM in spades

[DSJR]

The Osiris is a goodie, but very expensive for many. Remote? of course as far as I know..


MESSAGE FOR DANIEL QUINN - whom I know is reading and pee-taking "over there..." (isn't calling someone you don't know and have never met an ARSE or PRICK some sort of slander?). If you bothered to look at what I'd said over the entire NVA internal cables thing, I think you'll find i was pretty quiet about it. Also, if you bothered to look inside ANY Naim product, you'll find that good or bad, the wiring has ALWAYS been pretty neat and well tied together in the style of classic Quad wiring looms, although naim have usually used cable-ties rather than woven cord to tie their wires together. The 82, which you've obviously NEVER seen the inside of, is also well presented with the top off and the wiring goes neatly at right-angles around the boards.

Here's an internal shot of the 82 I found on t'web

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/DSJR_photos/Naim_NAC82_internal_zps74256fbb.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/DSJR_photos/media/Naim_NAC82_internal_zps74256fbb.jpg.html)

The Croft preamp lover in me is stunned at how much gubbins it takes to do this job including the remote circuits, but do the job it does, neatly laying everything out INCLUDING THE WIRING, for good or for bad. The wires near the volume and balance posts are not tied together as you can see, but were on early production samples as I remember.

Now Mr Quinn, RD and Co. I am getting fed up having to justify myself every time I say something that doesn't fit in with your, or certain others on AOS's pre-conceived belief systems. I'm not in the habit of taking the piss out of others, as long-standing friends will confirm, and I do try not to bring personalities into it either, although I probably slip every so often, which is soon picked up and stamped on. Any stupid comments about me being up Marco's backside is another hilarious supposition as well (Jammy), as the two of us have had numerous spats over the years, although I do try to explain myself a bit more clearly these days to avoid any confusion and if I'm found to be in error, I do try to apologise and admit I was wrong!

[MartinT]

Just ignore them and take a chill pill, Dave. It's not worth getting your blood pressure up :)

[MikeMusic]

The Osiris is a goodie, but very expensive for many. Remote? of course as far as I know..



With the Isis compared favourably to the Naim 555, some say better (!), around £17,000 the Osiris must have a chance with the 552 and Supercap I imagine ...........

[DSJR]

Mike, I've had a good listen to the Osiris and it IS another good amp, but whether it'll suit you, or be as versatile as you'd like is obviously another matter entirely. Along with other amps out there, it should be ok with the 'brik loading.

Sorry to foul this thread with the "other matter," but certain individuals don't seem to contribute or share anything to audio knowledge or gear-usage on any forum, but are quite happy to stand on the sidelines taking pot-shots at those who DO try to help others and give their experiences away for nothing. Oh how easy it is and how incredibly intellectual. I mean, a highly qualified legal graduate is usually VERY intelligent, so why lower yourself to this level, taking the piss out of a subject you know so little about and have so little experience of?

I've said enough. Mike, I hope the HiFi points have planted some seeds for you to ponder. I'm sure MartinT can also offer some decent suggestions and maybe if you two can get together with Martin's amp to try???????

[Ali Tait]

Why let these people get to you chaps? As you say, they contribute nothing. At least the majority here try to help others. Not worth our time IMHO.

[Ali Tait]

As for preamps, far and away the best I've heard is Nick (Lurcher) Gorham's two box "Little Martha" pre. Head and shoulders above anything else I've come across so far.

[DSJR]

Is it a one-off, or a commercial proposition? Pics too please :)

[Ali Tait]

AFAIK there is only one in existence at the moment, though Nick will build them to order. Some info here -

http://www.longdogaudio.co.uk/projects/bal-pre/

[Alex_UK]

Dave, try and chill. The only people who read "that" thread are the usual suspect fuckwits, the occasional misfit fuckwit just passing through because they have nowhere else to go, and then others who look at it like a car crash - probably a lot of us on here who can't resist looking in - pissing ourselves at how pathetic it is, let alone so wide of the truth that nobody in their right mind would take any of them seriously. So don't!

Really, we should pity them that their lives are so empty that they spend every waking minute looking in on us, trying to find something to criticise.

Best thing you can do is delete any bookmarks you might have to any other hifi forums! ;)

[DSJR]

RD just completely misses the point though, which is why he's banned on every other forum. Nuff said!

[MikeMusic]

Mike, I've had a good listen to the Osiris and it IS another good amp, but whether it'll suit you, or be as versatile as you'd like is obviously another matter entirely. Along with other amps out there, it should be ok with the 'brik loading.

Sorry to foul this thread with the "other matter," but certain individuals don't seem to contribute or share anything to audio knowledge or gear-usage on any forum, but are quite happy to stand on the sidelines taking pot-shots at those who DO try to help others and give their experiences away for nothing. Oh how easy it is and how incredibly intellectual. I mean, a highly qualified legal graduate is usually VERY intelligent, so why lower yourself to this level, taking the piss out of a subject you know so little about and have so little experience of?

I've said enough. Mike, I hope the HiFi points have planted some seeds for you to ponder. I'm sure MartinT can also offer some decent suggestions and maybe if you two can get together with Martin's amp to try???????
The Osiris is an outside possibility rather than a 'contender'.
As I'm so impressed with the Isis, but not heard a 555 to compare myself I thought the Osiris would be at least good

For the other matter I always like to remember
A git is a git

I'm onto Martin for a play with his Pass Labs. Must keep nudging him
Martin you're nudged
:)
Be nice to get Marco to come along with his Croft as well.
Assume the 82 will be outclassed - but the system does sound very good to me

[MikeMusic]

As for preamps, far and away the best I've heard is Nick (Lurcher) Gorham's two box "Little Martha" pre. Head and shoulders above anything else I've come across so far.

What's the risk for someone like me who only has to be in the same room as something for it to go wrong ?

I'm always slightly careful with a one man outfit

[MikeMusic]

Dave, try and chill. The only people who read "that" thread are the usual suspect fuckwits, the occasional misfit fuckwit just passing through because they have nowhere else to go, and then others who look at it like a car crash - probably a lot of us on here who can't resist looking in - pissing ourselves at how pathetic it is, let alone so wide of the truth that nobody in their right mind would take any of them seriously. So don't!

Really, we should pity them that their lives are so empty that they spend every waking minute looking in on us, trying to find something to criticise.

Best thing you can do is delete any bookmarks you might have to any other hifi forums! ;)

Odd to think anyone is that interested in our ramblings.
Makes me think of someone listening in to a conversation you are having out and about - but then to make it a thing in a converstion he then has.....
:scratch:

This I love !
I'm OnlyDoingItBecauseMarcoToldMeTo

[DSJR]

The 82 is a pretty good preamp, if a little complex - actually, much of it is the switching control circuits and extra line buffers not always in the signal path and apart from the filter section, is probably fairly simple in all honesty. The 52 does add complexity - dual mono boards and the suspension (don't really want to go there, but I'm sure it's more of a selling point than anything else), but the main difference is in the dedicated power supplies for each stage - the PFM Flea project-board showed how it could have been done a bit more economically, but this wouldn't have fitted in with Naim's upgrade policy and now the 52 has been discontinued so long, prices are becoming much more affordable - you'd hear air, space and depth perspectives the 82 only hints at in comparison, and the lower preamps in stock form don't reproduce properly - in comparison..

Just a touch more perspective for you. Those like me who no longer have thousands to spend on audio gear (mine was bank-loan fuelled at the time, but I could afford to back then), can look to the likes of Glenns products and sonically not feel in the slightest bit short-changed. I doubt you're quite in this position Mike, so the window opens up a bit when it comes to casework style and finish and most important for you? a decent remote control function...

One of the things about successful selling without being dishonest is to genuinely try to find what the client wants and needs and then offer alternatives and attempt to steer through the minefield, LISTENING to the client as you went along. Most of us in retail were there in the 70's and 80's because we genuinely cared about music reproduction and enthused about the products we sold, even if the road some of us trod was narrow and blinkered for a while. Many long lasting friendships were forged during this time due to mutual trust being forged and a shared love of music. Interestingly, my 80's and 90's employer sold a heck of a lot of Quad, Rogers and I think Spendor for a while (SA2 and Preludes I remember) as well as the ubiquitous Linn and Naim gear (Rega didn't make amps then :lol:) and the much loved Rogers LS7 was an excellent "crossover" speaker which worked well in Quad and Naim style systems.

Anyway, I digress. Not sure if this one could be seen as an upgrade but the original ATC SCA2 preamp was nice and beautifully hand made, again with lots of buffers for different tasks. The remote seemed carved from solid too. may be affordable now (it finished up over £5K as I recall)

[Ali Tait]

What's the risk for someone like me who only has to be in the same room as something for it to go wrong ?

I'm always slightly careful with a one man outfit

It's made with very high quality parts, from a bigger manufacturer would probably be 10 times the price given the sound quality on offer (I kid you not), but Nick is not into ripping people off. Nothing magical inside, any competent repair man would be able to fix it. Could be made with remote control too.

[Ali Tait]

Knowing Nick as I do, if he says it's the best he can make, then trust me, it's amongst the best out there, at any price. He's a modest chap.

[MikeMusic]

The 82 is a pretty good preamp, if a little complex - actually, much of it is the switching control circuits and extra line buffers not always in the signal path and apart from the filter section, is probably fairly simple in all honesty. The 52 does add complexity - dual mono boards and the suspension (don't really want to go there, but I'm sure it's more of a selling point than anything else), but the main difference is in the dedicated power supplies for each stage - the PFM Flea project-board showed how it could have been done a bit more economically, but this wouldn't have fitted in with Naim's upgrade policy and now the 52 has been discontinued so long, prices are becoming much more affordable - you'd hear air, space and depth perspectives the 82 only hints at in comparison, and the lower preamps in stock form don't reproduce properly - in comparison..

Just a touch more perspective for you. Those like me who no longer have thousands to spend on audio gear (mine was bank-loan fuelled at the time, but I could afford to back then), can look to the likes of Glenns products and sonically not feel in the slightest bit short-changed. I doubt you're quite in this position Mike, so the window opens up a bit when it comes to casework style and finish and most important for you? a decent remote control function...

One of the things about successful selling without being dishonest is to genuinely try to find what the client wants and needs and then offer alternatives and attempt to steer through the minefield, LISTENING to the client as you went along. Most of us in retail were there in the 70's and 80's because we genuinely cared about music reproduction and enthused about the products we sold, even if the road some of us trod was narrow and blinkered for a while. Many long lasting friendships were forged during this time due to mutual trust being forged and a shared love of music. Interestingly, my 80's and 90's employer sold a heck of a lot of Quad, Rogers and I think Spendor for a while (SA2 and Preludes I remember) as well as the ubiquitous Linn and Naim gear (Rega didn't make amps then :lol:) and the much loved Rogers LS7 was an excellent "crossover" speaker which worked well in Quad and Naim style systems.

Anyway, I digress. Not sure if this one could be seen as an upgrade but the original ATC SCA2 preamp was nice and beautifully hand made, again with lots of buffers for different tasks. The remote seemed carved from solid too. may be affordable now (it finished up over £5K as I recall)
Thanks Dave. Appreciate the time.
I can spend money if I get the value in the sound - compared to the rest of the market place.
The amount each of us spends varies and most or even all here would want VFM from their kit.
Dare I say cheapskate ? :)
I thought long and hard before I took the plunge with the P10. It is a substantial pile of dough. I say its is VFM as it left me speechless on a number of occasions.
If I could achieve that with a Pre Amp I would spend that sort of dough
A 52 and Supercap are likely to take at least £2k.
Maybe that is VFM but would, say a Pass Labs knock it into a cocked hat ?

Looks like the ATC is around at £5261, 2nd hand if still there £2900

If I could mod the 82 simply, for little or no spend I would go for it, assuming that 2nd hand value is retained. Modding the internal wiring seems it would affect resale so not for me.

So for Pre Amps seems like I either need to go and borrow Martin T's Pass Labs and Marco's Croft or persuade them to come to chez Mike.

Hopefully a few others could bring comparable kit to Chobham too !

[MikeMusic]

It's made with very high quality parts, from a bigger manufacturer would probably be 10 times the price given the sound quality on offer (I kid you not), but Nick is not into ripping people off. Nothing magical inside, any competent repair man would be able to fix it. Could be made with remote control too.

Stop !
The temptation of a bargain like that could be too much !

[MikeMusic]

Knowing Nick as I do, if he says it's the best he can make, then trust me, it's amongst the best out there, at any price. He's a modest chap.
Is he way oop North near you ?
Would he fancy a weekend, possibly even a week's holiday in sunny (joke) Surrey ?

[Ali Tait]

He's not averse to travelling around, drop him a line.

If it means anything, I will be asking him to make me one when I've the funds.

[DSJR]

All I would add is the request NOT to mod the Naim! May be kosher on old 12's, 32's and 72's with removable boards and the deliberately (apparently) hobbled 42,62 and 122 single-board models, but the dearer 82 and 52 and ALL the current range (while they're less than 15 years or so old) ought to be left alone I believe...

[MikeMusic]

All I would add is the request NOT to mod the Naim! May be kosher on old 12's, 32's and 72's with removable boards and the deliberately (apparently) hobbled 42,62 and 122 single-board models, but the dearer 82 and 52 and ALL the current range (while they're less than 15 years or so old) ought to be left alone I believe...

Message received
No mods outside the box
Thanks