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Not long to wait now so pull that clutch in and get ready to anticipate the lights because here are a few of my pre-season thoughts on some of the teams and drivers...
This year is going to be interesting for sure. Bearing in mind all the cars are developments of last years items then I would expect the performance levels to be nigh on identical for those drivers who have kept their drives. So I expect Seb and Mark will be as competitive in their Red Bulls as they were last season. I think Nico will show Lewis the way at Mercedes, at least until mid-season, but I don't expect either driver to be challenging for the title towards the end. Lotus will either be near the front of the pack, crying over spilt engine parts and oil or in the gravel. Both of the world titles will elude Lotus this year, they are just not consistent enough as yet.
How the Mclaren pairing of Peres and Button will perform in 2013 is anybodies guess. It could go either way I feel. My hope is that Jenson wakes up from the coma he has been in for a good few months and finally realises that he has a career and seat to protect. When he is on form Jenson is is a joy to watch, remember Canada two season ago when he hounded Vettel off the road to win the Canadian GP? That was a masterful performance and then he went to sleep for 2012. Obviously all that effort was a bit much for him. I am being a little harsh because I like Jenson as a person and rate him as a driver, but I can't help feeling he is finding things just a bit too comfortable at McLaren and has reserved his pool-side lounger where he is planning to see out the rest of his career with a big, fat paycheck. Who know's, perhaps the insertion of a team mate with some real talent and hunger might shake him up a bit.
Ferrari could be the big winners this year though. The team worked hard to turn a pig of a car into something that at least performed well enough to ankle-bite the leaders towards the end of 2012 in the hands of Alonso's prodigious talent and judgement. Now I am on record at various F1 forums for stating that I do not like Alonso, he is a Primadonna and a cry baby to boot. His behaviour at McLaren would have had me throwing him out of the sport had I been in charge, however I respect the guys talent and his performances in the pug ugly 2012 Ferrari were nothing short of epic and he deserved to win the drivers title in my opinion. Not that I begrudge Seb winning it, it is just that Alonso accrued enough points in half the time to be challenging for the title which deserves much recognition in my book.
I do hope that Williams continue to improve this year. They have a good chassis and engine now, and when Maldonado isn't spearing into other cars from all sorts of interesting angles he has demonstrated great talent. I think Frank Williams made a big mistake letting Senna go. Although Senna was disappointing in qualifying he was achieving consistent results in the races and just needed a little more time to develop in my opinion, however Valtteri Bottas will be playing Mutley to Maldonado's Dick Dastardly this season.
And where will Sauber be this year? Nowhere I predict, as they let one of the best driver line ups they have ever had slip through their fingers, a driver pairing that promised big things for the future. Silly Sauber... :eyebrows:
Spectral Morn
10-02-2013, 00:28
Looking forward to it Dave :D
This season is going to be a good'un Neil but the 2014 season is going to be epic. I predict much new blood coming into the sport in 2014 and some big changes towards the top of the leaderboards :D
The 2013 title will go to either Vettel or Alonso barring something truely bizzare.
Kimi will feature from time to time, scoring the odd victory, as will the Maclaren drivers, but neither will seriously challenge the two front-runners over the course of the season.
Much as I don't particularly like Alonso, you do have to acknowledge that he last year's Ferrari much further up the grid and results tables than it really deserved, and he drove with consistent excellence throughout.
Vettel is also a fantastic driver, with probably a faster car and I think he may edge it again if things go his way. I don't think he is quite as strong mentally as Alonso, and is prone to throwing the odd strop that can disrupt his focus and his results can suffer.
My money is on Alonso for the Championship, but it will be a tight season.
CHeers,
A.
Audioman
15-02-2013, 14:28
As an aside Lewis Hamilton is returning to Top Gear. Hoping to set a new record for 'Star In A Reasonably Priced Car'. Probably has more chance than winning the world championship with Mercedes. :lol:
StanleyB
04-03-2013, 11:22
As an aside Lewis Hamilton is returning to Top Gear. Hoping to set a new record for 'Star In A Reasonably Priced Car'. Probably has more chance than winning the world championship with Mercedes. :lol:
He now tops the board on Top Gear by about 1.5 sec. Vettel has accused him (jokingly) of cheating and wants another go himself.
Mercedes tops the board in early season testing. Some already talking about Lewis as a likely 2013 F1 champion before a single race has been run.
Audioman
04-03-2013, 12:13
He now tops the board on Top Gear by about 1.5 sec. Vettel has accused him (jokingly) of cheating and wants another go himself.
Mercedes tops the board in early season testing. Some already talking about Lewis as a likely 2013 F1 champion before a single race has been run.
Could be forced to eat my words. Ironic talk of Ross Brawn leaving if he has engineered a massive turn round in performance at Mercedes.
In a recent interview Lewis stated that Ross's status as team principle played a huge part in his decision to move to Mercedes, I wonder if he is having regrets now that he has learnt of Ross's intention to retire?
the engine
09-03-2013, 12:41
T'will be Vettel by a mile.
Don't like him....but he's got all the aces.
Senna getting the boot is a bad move.
The McLaren driver hierarchy could be interesting.
Audio Al
09-03-2013, 12:50
I am going to make a prediction now :)
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The winner will be the first one to the checkered flag :lol:
:door:
Ah, I thought there must be an F1 thread running already. I'm already enjoying this season for all the variables it has thrown up, although the artificial nature of the tyre degradation slightly spoils the idea of drivers going all-out for the entire race.
Who would have bet on Raikonnen winning the first race? Good on him, and it's rather thrown things wide open. I'm glad to see Hamilton happy with his team and car, surprised to see McLaren develop such a poor design, uplifted by Ferrari's new found performance and continue to wonder whether Vettel's performance is always flattered by an excellent car.
I'll be watching Massa and Webber for new-found zoom and wondering whether Button can develop a poor package or will just continue to whinge. Will Perez be a wise choice or would di Resta have been a better one.
Etc. Looking forward to Malaysia.
I had mixed feelings about the race on Sunday. I'm not Raikonnens biggest fan although it was nice to see someone other than Vettel topping the standings. The McLaren seems to be a pig of a car sadly, and it was painful to watch both Button and Peres mooching about in midfield.
I enjoyed watching Sutil's brief period at the front of the field, that Force India is looking very competitive this year. Had Sutil been on a different strategy I feel he might well have been on the podium or, perish the thought, even on the top step.
Spectral Morn
19-03-2013, 20:56
I am annoyed that the BBC was not showing the whole race but only the highlights :( I won't be giving sky anymore money to watch it live.
Regards Neil
To be fair to the BBC their highlights are supremely well edited and give the viewer the impression they have seen entire race barring a few boring bits. I can live with it and I was one of the BBC's harshest critics for giving up their contract to Sky.
Spectral Morn
19-03-2013, 21:13
To be fair to the BBC their highlights are supremely well edited and give the viewer the impression they have seen entire race barring a few boring bits. I can live with it and I was one of the BBC's harshest critics for giving up their contract to Sky.
I don't disagree but the first race should have been live and it wasn't and I wonder how many if any will be. Paying the licence fee is increasingly bad value I think, maybe its time to switch to only watching online off the various iplayers and no longer paying the licence.
Regards Neil
Audioman
19-03-2013, 21:23
It's logical that the Australian GP is highlights as only a limited audience would likely get up very early Sunday to watch the live race. Much better the BBC keep their ration of live races for Sunday lunchtime. I certainly won't be subscribing to Sky until there is competition to force prices down and the evil hacker Murdoch ceases to have an interest. :)
I don't disagree but the first race should have been live and it wasn't and I wonder how many if any will be. Paying the licence fee is increasingly bad value I think, maybe its time to switch to only watching online off the various iplayers and no longer paying the licence.
Regards Neil
As far as I am aware Neil the licensing law covers watching online these days as well... :eyebrows:
I enjoyed watching Sutil's brief period at the front of the field, that Force India is looking very competitive this year.
Yes, I forgot about Sutil. He looked very useful during the race. Another one to watch.
Despite my misgivings about giving money to Murdoch, the Sky F1 HD coverage is both deep and fabulous and they have the best commentating team in Brundle and Crofty. Not that Suzi Perry is hard to look at.
Yes, I forgot about Sutil. He looked very useful during the race. Another one to watch.
Despite my misgivings about giving money to Murdoch, the Sky F1 HD coverage is both deep and fabulous and they have the best commentating team in Brundle and Crofty. Not that Suzi Perry is hard to look at.
I am a big fan of Suzi, and not just because she is easy on the eye. I rate her as a presenter, her MotoGP coverage is excellent, but on several occasions this weekend she appeared to be out of her depth... :eyebrows:
I think Maclaren seriously underperformed relative to their true pace - the Australian GP is quite unique and I expect them to show a lot better at the next race. I am thinking that they had serious issues with their setup, and their operational management and decision making was very poor - I don't expect that to continue in the next few GPs.
Mercedes performance looks promising, and Lotus, Ferrari and Red Bull are quite tightly grouped. It has the makings of a very competitive season.
The Lotus looks to be very easy on it's tyres relative to the rest so they may continue to have very competitive race pace throughout the year.
Looking forward to it!.
Cheers,
Alex
morris_minor
20-03-2013, 15:40
I hope Kimi wins more races, if only for the post-race interviews :eyebrows:.
It seemed to me that Suzi Perry had to be rescued on more than one occasion by DC, but this was probably opening night nerves. The intro to the Qualifying show with her arriving on a bike was a neat way of introducing her I thought.
I hope Maclaren get their act together soon and show Hamilton he was wrong to leave, but somehow I think Mercedes will have the edge over them this year.
It's good Marussia have a taken a (small) step forward too, pushing Caterham to the back of the grid.
For me it's Vettel or Alonso for the title, with Kimi snapping at their heels and Hamilton just a few points behind.
wiicrackpot
24-03-2013, 09:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95CQV7QQn58
archiesdad
24-03-2013, 11:27
I'd have howked him up on the jack and left him sitting.:lol::lol:
Audio Al
24-03-2013, 11:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95CQV7QQn58
Old habits die hard :D
wiicrackpot
24-03-2013, 11:41
I'd have howked him up on the jack and left him sitting.:lol::lol:
:D
Old habits die hard :D
Too true. :lol:
I am quite a saddo, i actually sat through the race getting 60 secs updates of the race, at times like this i wish i could afford Sky, :(
can't wait for the highlights, seems a good race, especially at the end where both teams on the front had driver issues,
Vettle has just issued an apology to Mark for what he did and what now for the Hamilton - Rosberg team dynamics?.
The race (on Sky F1 HD) was superbly well covered. Edge of the seat for pretty much all of it. I have to take my hat off to Mercedes for coming in so strongly during the season where they had said not to expect too much.
The team dynamics were different: Red Bull had clearly expected Vettel to hold station behind Webber as they were both conserving tyres. Vettel preferred to be naughty and apologise afterwards. It's not the first time his hot-headedness has nearly caused a disaster. Hamilton and Rosberg were both asked to save fuel and to hold station for that reason. Rosberg, unlike Vettel, did as he was told. Had he gone for it, he may well not have finished the race.
I suspect that Webber will, from now on, do as he likes and will ignore Vettel and team orders. Rosberg and Hamilton, on the other hand, are likely to realise that they brought their cars home #3 and #4 and that it was the only logical thing to do. I doubt that there will be lasting damage between them.
What about Lotus going backwards and McLaren going forwards? A bad day for Ferrari, too.
There were two idiots on track today, Alonso and Vettel. I will deal with Vettel first: He's a cock. I would have admired him more had he come straight out and said, "Well, I was faster than Mark so I overtook him and that's that". Instead we were treated to a half hearted, not quite apology. After the race the atmosphere in the drivers room when Webber walked in could be cut with a knife. The problem Mark has is that he is not only fighting his team mate, he is fighting Helmut Marko too. Vettel can do no wrong in Marko's eyes and he is on record as saying Webber is unreliable. Webber would do well to move teams IMO, I'd quite like to see him at Torro Rosso with Ricciardo.
Alonso's decision not to pit at the end of the first lap to have his front wing replaced was not one of his better ones, he's not normally that stupid :scratch:
morris_minor
25-03-2013, 09:29
To be fair to Alonso, IIRC it was a team call not to pit to get the wing replaced. They hoped it would last out until the first tyre stop. But in hindsight a pretty silly decision.
Vettel will have lost a lot of fans, I think, as Rosberg will have gained some . .
McLaren need to get their act together (JB was on for a decent finish given the car), and as for the Force India pit-stop farce . .:doh:
Force India blamed the wheel nuts, but it's hard to understand how they could not have noticed the problem prior to the race during all the practices and Qualy.
Vettel will have lost a lot of fans, I think, as Rosberg will have gained some . .
Indeed, my respect for Hamilton also grew a little over the way the two Mercedes drivers behaved yesterday. Vettel has it seems shown his true colours and revealed what a total wanker he is (if that was ever in doubt).
morris_minor
25-03-2013, 13:53
Maybe the team dynamics in Red Bull and Mercedes are different because of the relative ages of the team principals to the drivers. Ross Brawn is old enough to be Lewis and Nico's dad, Christian Horner is more like a slightly older brother. Who would you be most likely to obey?
But, of course, Vettel just could be a selfish arsehole. It's easy to apologise when you've banked the points . . .
What should (but won't) happen is for Red Bull to sideline Vettel for China, and get someone like Kobyashi in for the race. Chances are Red Bull would still get points . . .
I think I would have greater respect for vettel if he hadn't attempted to pretend that he didn't hear or didn't understand that the team expected him to hold station after the last round of pitstops. An apology that includes a blatant lie is no apology at all, and personally anyone showing such a lack of personal integrity is not to be trusted ever again, and deserves to be told flat out exactly what their actions make them.
He seems to have decided that closing on Webber gave him full justification to overtake him, despite the fact that it was Webber obeying team orders by saving the engine and tyres that allowed him to get on his tail anyway. I was struggling to like him despite respecting his undoubted gifts as a racer before this, but this shows him to be a petulant childish egoist and someone who would screw you at the drop of a hat if it suits him. His lack of personal integrity and discipline could well prove his undoing.
Cheers,
A.
And the decision of the team to leave Alonso out with a broken front wing supports was totally irresponsible and an unforgivable lapse by Ferrari. He was very lucky that it didn't break a few hundred metres later deep into the braking zone as he would have hit the barrier at a very high speed. Their telemetry and the tv pictures provided all the info they needed to safeguard their driver and if Alonso made the call they should have overridden him on safety grounds.. no ifs or buts.
Cheers,
A.
Have there been any crashes yet? :)
If not, wake me up when it's over! :D
Marco.
morris_minor
25-03-2013, 18:19
About the Force India wheel nut issue. Aren't they held captive in the wheel? And are the wheels the same for every car? Or do Pirelli come and fit the tyres to a team's own rims, rather than just turn up with a load of wheels pre-fitted?
So many questions . .:scratch:
I believe the wheels are the teams' own designs.
His lack of personal integrity and discipline could well prove his undoing.
Unfortunately, he is going the way of Schumacher, who also made himself very difficult to like.
morris_minor
26-03-2013, 09:15
I believe the wheels are the teams' own designs. . . and some teams' designs are better than others, it seems! :rolleyes:
I look forward to the next time there's a situation where Webber and Vettel want the same piece of track. Vettel didn't think through the consequences, it could cost him a non-finish. If Horner doesn't sort this out there will be trouble. He could get Vettel to agree to give up a win when they are next 1-2, that's about the only way to prevent Webber pushing Vettel off the track in future races.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208993_330396663749255_170877884_n.jpg
Audio Al
26-03-2013, 14:46
Vettel just could be a selfish arsehole
I think you are correct ,
Why did he not just say :upyours::finger: to you Webber ,
What a Tosser Vetel is :wanker:
morris_minor
26-03-2013, 18:32
. . . that's about the only way to prevent Webber pushing Vettel off the track in future races.
I'd like to think that MW was above that simple retaliation . . .:rolleyes: But one thing's for sure, his car will be the "widest" car on the circuit when Vettel's behind him . . .
The thing is, if there is to be any funny business on track between the two of them it will not be Vettel's seat which will be at risk, and I'm pretty certain Webber knows this. This is the sort of team behaviour one would normally expect from Ferrari, except The Big Red seems to be turning over a new leaf regarding allowing their drivers to race these days. Perhaps Red Bull will turn out in a Scarlet livery next season... :D
The thing is, if there is to be any funny business on track between the two of them it will not be Vettel's seat which will be at risk, and I'm pretty certain Webber knows this. This is the sort of team behaviour one would normally expect from Ferrari, except The Big Red seems to be turning over a new leaf regarding allowing their drivers to race these days. Perhaps Red Bull will turn out in a Scarlet livery next season... :D
I can't see Webber being there next year anyway, if only due to age. So he has little to loose by defending his line robustly.
I can't see Webber being there next year anyway, if only due to age. So he has little to loose by defending his line robustly.
Age is not a handicap whilst Webber continues to put in similar or better lap times to Vettel, which is what he has been doing consistently. I wrote earlier in the thread that I would like to see MW at Torro Rosso partnering his fellow countryman Ricciardo, but it would make far more sense if one of the rejuvenated mid-range teams such as Sauber, Williams or Force India picked him up, he would bring a wealth of experience and talent with him to any one of those teams from which the team would benefit hugely. If I were Mark I'd be angling for a Sauber drive.
wiicrackpot
27-03-2013, 09:42
Indeed, my respect for Hamilton also grew a little over the way the two Mercedes drivers behaved yesterday. Vettel has it seems shown his true colours and revealed what a total wanker he is (if that was ever in doubt).
Yeah, a more humble LH is a change in the right direction i'd say, especially acrediting Nico being the faster driver of the day,
NR's final com to Ross Brawn was brill, ''remember this one'', to that there was no response. :)
I think you are correct ,
Why did he not just say :upyours::finger: to you Webber ,
What a Tosser Vetel is :wanker:
Shows what a devious c*nt Vettel is, the half hearted apology post race just doesn't wash, what Mark should've done is put his front wheel in his airbox and take him out in this race, not the next one or next time with same scenario !!, according to Fabio Briatore one or the other is not gonna be driving for Red Bull next year, take a guess Fabio, pointless statement. :rolleyes:
especially acrediting Nico being the faster driver of the day
As it turned out, he wasn't. Both were hamstrung with low fuel and Brawn wanted to avoid them both running out if they fought for position. This is a rare case of team orders making sense - for the team.
MikeMusic
08-04-2013, 14:19
Thanks to Martin for the link
Searching on F1 didn't work !
So who watches F1 and MotoGp, or are we exclusive to one ?
I used to watch F1 but found it too boring.
Stumbled across MotoGp one day when it ran late and found it all the things I seemed to remember were there in F1
Just at the end of Mick Doohan's time
I've moved the bike racing posts to a new thread - Motorcycle Racing 2013 (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25082)
morris_minor
30-04-2013, 10:11
This is a nice little tour of the Red Bull HQ (http://www.whisperfilms.co.uk/portfolio/view/red-bull-racing-dougie-does-red-bull-racing) - on a moto-cross bike . .
Audioman
30-04-2013, 10:45
This tells you about the amazing technology used to design and build a Red Bull F1 car.
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Watched some time lapse of the new Williams car being built last night on the F1 channel.
The factory is less than half a mile from me :)
StanleyB
12-05-2013, 09:24
Watched some time lapse of the new Williams car being built last night on the F1 channel.
The factory is less than half a mile from me :)
A pity they'll have to take it to the junk yard after the qualifying race yesterday. If Frank could stand up he would be kicking some backsides by now.
When my company sponsored them many years ago, I was given a tour of the factory and had a go in the simulator. Very impressive, that place was. Of course it was a successful team at the time.
Does anyone else think that F1 is too dominated by tyre management now? We are seeing drivers hardly able to give their cars any stick as they are buried in a world of preserving their tyre life. Four pitstops for tyres is too much and it's sad to see drivers unable to compete. Isn't it supposed to be a race?
I think Pirelli have got it badly wrong now.
StanleyB
14-05-2013, 05:31
From the moment I heard that Pirelli would be the tyre supplier I knew it would go horribly wrong with the tyres. I have never managed to get more than 8000 miles from their tyres and I even had the change a set after 2000 miles, after which I stopped using them. But I would have expected their F1 compound to have been of a far higher standard. Not so apparently. The shredding as seen on the tyres from Massa Hamilton and Di Resta was shocking and dangerous.
Pirelli have not impressed me either, but I doubt the 'P-Zero' of the F1 cars bears any resemblance to the road car version.
StanleyB
14-05-2013, 06:05
Once you have a poor commercial product track record, it tends to shows up in the competition version. The material might be different, but the engineering skills would be the same. They don't seem to have a higher standard in their F1 product compared top the road tyres.
That same principle makes me wonder why Merc can't track down a fault with their car when they have all those resources on tap.
MikeMusic
14-05-2013, 07:07
Does anyone else think that F1 is too dominated by tyre management now? We are seeing drivers hardly able to give their cars any stick as they are buried in a world of preserving their tyre life. Four pitstops for tyres is too much and it's sad to see drivers unable to compete. Isn't it supposed to be a race?
I think Pirelli have got it badly wrong now.
The last MotoGP race was going to be a Yamaha clean sweep.
Then the temperature went up a lot and it was Honda 1,2
Said to be entirely down to the tyres.
MotoGP is also a one make series
It's not about Pirelli being unable to make tyres last, they could make a tyre last the whole race. They were required to make tyres that would degrade fast this season. It's a tricky balance, they were aiming for 3 stops and nearly achieved this so yes the tryes were a little too soft.
Because Merc get heat into their tyres immediately they were able to take pole and that's exactly why they were useless in the race. The good news is that Red Bull aren't having the best time with the tyres so at least they didn't run away with the race.
All Pirelli have to do is use this experience to get the compound just right but it's a lottery as a few degrees C either on race will make them look good or bad.
The Pirellis on my car are great BTW, certainly the best RFTs I've suffered to date....
RFTs, just say no!
I lease my car so I can't...
Spectral Morn
26-05-2013, 17:15
Very unhappy with the way BBC viewers are only getting highlights of Monaco, my fave F1 race, and the coverage is cut to tripe what a joke :steam:
Regards Neil
Yes, I watched the BBC highlights under duress as I'm away from home. Not a patch on the superb Sky HD broadcasts.
This years F1 on the BBC is starting to put me off watching it, which will be a first since my age was in single figures! I used to go all the time to the British and could be considered a big fan, but this year is dire with that woman parading around :(
Suzi Perry leaves me cold, I cannot watch her - they should have given the lead to Lee McKenzie, she certainly has done her time there to deserve it and knows her stuff far more the Perry. As for Ben Edwards on the commentary team, well I have to turn to volume down for him, holy cow what a t*****! Come back Martin Brundle.
Anyway, interesting race but Monaco, as always, does not really excite me that much, but the overall spectacle is good. Perez needs to take a chill pill and Grosjean maybe looking for a new job soon, which is a shame as he has great talent, but cannot it seams control it.
Come on Kimi that's what I say ;)
StanleyB
27-05-2013, 08:21
At this rate BBC viewers will be left with just the least popular races.
At this rate BBC viewers will be left with just the least popular races.
Its a very far cry from the days of showing every race live, with the joys of Murray Walker and James Hunt in the box :rolleyes:
I'm not sure who's calling the shots, but they really are starting to cock everything up and SKY have just cleaned up IMO. From my point of view, all I want is the race and qually session, some good commentary and from people who actually know what they are talking about. I don't think the beeb are providing that any more. They could bin the whole (bloated) team and run the show with just EJ & DC, save some money along the way and then be in a position to show more races IMHO.
Lee Mackenzie on the BBC is their best anchor.
Brundle and Croftie on Sky are an excellent team, and very funny too.
Now there's an idea, Lee McKenzie and DC, they are probably paying EJ far too much anyway. Lee is great, I follow her on Twitter and she really is a petrol head, or certainly seems to be - hot too, as well as being a thoroughly nice person and the drivers certainly seem to like her.
...if DC can keep his hands off her :eek:
EJ is a fully paid up 100% twat. I cannot stand to listen to him.
Ammonite Audio
27-05-2013, 11:46
EJ is a fully paid up 100% twat. I cannot stand to listen to him.
Agreed. On top of that it's very difficult to take seriously someone so obviously wearing a wig.
Lee Mackenzie on the BBC is their best anchor.
Agreed, why they didn't give her the main job is beyond me. Probably won't be long though before Sky make her an offer she can't refuse :(
Spectral Morn
27-05-2013, 14:45
If its a question of looks Ms/Miss/Mrs Perry wins for me everytime ;)
My gripe is the way the races that the BBC are showing (not live) are cut to tripe. I don't mind not live, but I want to see the entire race, Monaco was by far the worst example of this to date - terrible.
I won't pay Sky for this privilege as I am not into sport (bar F1) so why pay for stuff I won't be ever watching.
Regards Neil
Any good crashes yet, chaps? :)
Marco.
If its a question of looks Ms/Miss/Mrs Perry
:spew: she turns my stomach I'm afraid.
A couple Marco, but nothing that spectacular so far.
Am I the only person who would happily see Monaco disappear from the calendar? :eyebrows:
twickers
27-05-2013, 15:40
Any good crashes yet, chaps? :)
Marco.
I nearly fell asleep until the crashes. Then the safety cars bunched things up nicely and at least gave the chance of some overtaking. I think hamilton must have dozed off aswell.
I won't pay Sky for this privilege as I am not into sport (bar F1) so why pay for stuff I won't be ever watching.
Neither am I. Sky F1 HD is not in the Sports package.
archiesdad
27-05-2013, 20:09
Am I the only person who would happily see Monaco disappear from the calendar? :eyebrows:
I'm joining this club, it is no longer a race weekend but a fast procession, almost, there must be better options.
Just think of Monaco as a bit of fun rather than top notch racing, like Singapore. It might not be great for hard core racing fans, but its good for the sport and the drivers - if Bernie took it out of the calender, F1 would be a whole lot poorer ;)
Now here is a street circuit where one can overtake. This is in car footage from a historic Formula 3 race from Pau. Your pilot is Valerio Leone and he is driving a 1978 March 783.
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http://www.msmclassifieds.co.uk/autoclass/stock-images/iqqdirjqvf/3s4ywvvqr8/8namrl7sct.jpg
1978 March 783 Chassis
Manaco is an event of itself, albeit a boring race (save for the crashes, and the reckless driving of Perez). I like it.
I find Valencia about the most boring race, usually with Singapore a close second (though the last race there was a cracker).
If Pérez was reckless, then Grosjean has become an absolute menace. I can't see Lotus keeping him next year.
I can't see Lotus keeping him next year.
I'm not convinced he'll even last till next season.
MikeMusic
28-05-2013, 11:54
Manaco is an event of itself, albeit a boring race (save for the crashes, and the reckless driving of Perez). I like it.
I find Valencia about the most boring race, usually with Singapore a close second (though the last race there was a cracker).
The very best circuit of the lot is Phillip Island
Shame they won't let the 4 wheel lot go there
:)
If Pérez was reckless, then Grosjean has become an absolute menace. I can't see Lotus keeping him next year.
I agree with you Martin, Grosjean is quick but his spacial awareness is suspect. Mind you, I remember Massa being the same early in his career and look at him now. Do you remember Andrea De Crasheris (Cesaris)? Now he was a maverick... :)
It's a good job McLaren have signed an engine deal with Honda for 2015 otherwise I am pretty certain Button might have been looking for pastures new at the end of his contract, or perhaps sooner. :eyebrows:
Grosjean reminds me of shoesmacker the other year...
Button signed a long contract though, didn't he?
Button signed a long contract though, didn't he?
Yes he has, but I wonder whether the Honda contract had more to do with that. Jenson won his world championship powered by Honda :)
Spectral Morn
28-05-2013, 14:03
:spew: she turns my stomach I'm afraid.
Really :scratch: ok ..... beauty in the eye of the beholder etc.
http://www.morningstarr.co.uk/forum/members/earl-albums-suzi-perry-picture4693-suzi-perry-wearing-leather.jpg
http://www.celebs101.com/gallery/Suzi_Perry/223799/Suzi_Perry_Picture.jpg
Regards Neil
I can see why a lot like her Neal, but not me. Its not just what she looks like that turns me off, I don't like her either.
StanleyB
30-06-2013, 19:24
Talk about getting a blow out for kerb crawling. It's a good thing Pirelli doesn't make condoms.
Talk about getting a blow out for kerb crawling. It's a good thing Pirelli doesn't make condoms.
:lol: - what a bloody debacle, ruined the race for me TBH.
Spectral Morn
30-06-2013, 19:45
I am glad no one was seriously hurt or even killed. Tires can kill, Henry Surtees was killed by a tire that came off a car during a race and if one of the tires that blew up had hit a driver in the face or head at speed then we could have had a serious accident today never mind someone being killed.
Lewis rightly was very angry at what occurred and unlike others comments he wasn't being politically correct, 5 tire failures is totally crazy and the reason for it needs to be found and then sorted.
Regards Neil
Indeed Neil, its inexcusable what Pirelli are producing this year. I know they have a brief to make the tyres degrade to spice up the racing, but its clearly proving too difficult and ultimately dangerous. Make the tyres more durable and still enforce the 'both compounds' per race rule and that should be fine, with KERS and DRS. Today's race was a bloody joke and like you say, thank goodness nobody got hurt.
There will certainly be an enquiry and I'm sad for Lewis despite his incredible come-back to 4th. However, there are some take-aways including a very exciting final 10 laps and the ascendency of the Mercedes team. Thank goodness Red Bull aren't having it all their own way.
StanleyB
30-06-2013, 22:34
The be fair to Pirelli, how can they make a tyre that is meant to fall away and still be safe without any testing or help? The FIA and F1 rules about testing are themselves contribution to the problem.
Yes, agreed. They've been trying to develop their tyres with their hands tied behind their backs. Hence 'Tyregate'.
StanleyB
30-06-2013, 23:04
The FIA has a very short memory. Senna lost his life after a previous change to the specifications of the cars that was designed to make F1 more exciting. This time the likes of Alonso were lucky not to have been impaled by a piece from the exploding tyre. But luck only lasts that long.
What a fab way to win a race. Hamilton was perfect in both qualy and the race this weekend. It's good to see Mercedes start to haul in Red Bull in terms of the car's performance, but sad to see Ferrari drop off the pace. I suspect that only Lotus can challenge Red Bull and Vettel now, although Mercedes may continue their performance gains. The second half of the season is going to be very interesting indeed.
Totally agree Martin. Being a fan of Lewis Hamilton it was great to see him do so well in his new team...
Can't wait to see the rest of the season (although I rarely watch the entire race these days!)
Its very refreshing to see Lewis in a much happier place - the move from McLaren was a very good thing for him methinks.
RobbieGong
28-07-2013, 19:37
Well chuffed for Lewis Hamilton, love da guy :eek: ! :lol:
Its very refreshing to see Lewis in a much happier place - the move from McLaren was a very good thing for him methinks.
Totally agree Tim and I was originally one of the people who thought it was a stupid move!
Seems his move was more sensible than I'd thought. Look at McLaren now!
An excellent race punctuated by good drives from Hamilton, Raikkonen, Vettel, Webber, Grosjean and Button. Maldonado should also be congratulated for earning Williams first point this season. I thought Grosjean was a tad unlucky to serve a drive through penalty for his move on Massa, but the rules are the rules. As for his wheel clash with Jenson, I put that down to a racing incident.
Although I've admired Hamilton's gumption in the past his propensity to whine when things went wrong would grate with me. He has matured a lot over the past year however and now seems to be far more reflective and 'chilled'. It would appear that he is very comfortable at Mercedes, a lot more so than when he was with McLaren. Perhaps this was due to the pressure which was being applied on him by the media because of his 'Chosen One' status within the team. Added to that, the loss of his mentor, Ron Dennis, affected him deeply methinks. In Ross Brawn I believe Lewis has recaptured some of that relationship.
And so the Red Bull machine rules the roost for yet another season. Rumblings from the depths suggest that all may not be kosher with this years be-wheeled and highly aerodynamic energy drinks can, but I'm not sure whether it is just sour grapes or a genuine concern born of previous Red Bull misdemeanors. Whichever it is, Sebastian Vettel made the most of it and he is to be congratulated for winning his fourth drivers title. He has joined a very exclusive club.
Good drives by Rosberg and Grosjean saw them finish the Indian GP second and third respectively. Lotus deserve respect for their brave one stop tyre strategy which helped Grosjean recover from his seventeenth position on the grid to yet again finish on the podium. After a somewhat shaky start to his F1 career which saw his spacial awareness on track being questioned by some after various bumps with other drivers, the affable french driver has worked hard to address the issue and now seems to be in total control and focused on progressing to the top of the heap, often beating his more experienced team mate Kimi Raikkonen in the process.
The season has been a little dull but then if you have Adrian Newey in your camp then you are likely to walk away with the championship...
Just seen on the news that Ross Brawn is leaving Mercedes so I wonder if that will have an effect on Lewis Hamilton over the coming months / year... I still think he has much more to give...
I suppose whilst the F1 was a little dull, at least that Alonso chap didn't win... haha... shame!... let's see how he copes with Kimi Raikkonen as his team mate next year... I think we'll be in for some interesting races :)
Paul.
I just can't warm to Vettel any more than I ever could to Schumacher. He has done little wrong and been very consistent, so kudos to him the season. Newey is the powerhouse behind Red Bull, though. Any team with him as designer is going to do well, provided he is well funded, and he is.
There are some good things to look forward to next season: new engines, Alonso/Raikonnen as team-mates and hopefully a step-up in performance from Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus. It would be nice to see Williams rise above the bottom ranks, too.
There is a fascinating rumour circulating around the hallowed halls of Formula 1 just now which centres around Adrian Newey and his long time partner in crime, aerodynamicist Peter Prodromou. Although not confirmed as yet, Prodromou and his right hand man are expected to leave Red Bull at the end of the season to go to Mclaren. Prodromou has been a long term associate of Newey's and if past history is anything to go by, wherever one goes the other is soon to follow.
Andrew B
30-10-2013, 10:48
I'd love that. I've nothing against Vettel but it's getting predictably boring.
Hopefully it might take Adrian a while to settle and allow the others a chance to win. I've only missed a handful of Grand Prix since the 70s yet I've not even tuned into the highlights, or indeed any coverage for the last 3 Grands Prix. I don't plan on watching any of the remainder either.
It's a shame you feel that way Andrew because leaving Vettle aside for a moment, there have been some wonderful scraps behind him for the remaining places. I do understand why you feel the way you do however as I have been through similar stages in the past, especially when Senna was so dominant for Mclaren during the 1980's.
Hulkenberg has impressed in the Sauber recently, his driving during the South Korean GP was a joy to watch. It's a shame Sauber saw fit to let Takuma Sato go as I feel he would have been the perfect foil for Nico. Both drivers have that self belief and go-getter attitude which is sadly missing from many of the mid-field drivers these days, with a few notable exceptions of course ;)
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