There Goes My Dream Table

[WOStantonCS100]

Currently on that auction site: Ladies & Gentlemen... the MK3 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-SL-1000MK3-or-SP10-MK3-with-EPA-100MK2-arm-and-SH-10B5-base-/300806546062?pt=US_Record_Players_Home_Turntables&hash=item460977a28e) .

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Technics-SL-1000MK3-or-SP10-MK3-with-EPA-100MK2-arm-and-SH-10B5-base-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqVHJEgFBuod,vQIBQhz1RUSq!~~60_12.JPG

I continue to pass up MK2's; but, this... ...this is different. Too bad funds are tight, right now. :(

[johnwhit]

:eek::mental:

John

[Alex_UK]

$13,000 and "condition: have couple of dent on the turntable aluminum frame plate , also small dent in the SH-10B5 base but over all still looks nice"

Cripes - how much is one in good nick worth! :eek:

[chris@panteg]

It's a snip at $13,000 lol , very nice and very rare to see the complete mk3 package .

[Wakefield Turntables]

Cripes - how much is one in good nick worth! :eek:

its certainly not worth the money he wants. ;)

[Qwin]

:drool:

[Beobloke]

It's very, very nice, but for that money I think I'd rather have this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PS-X9-broadcast-turtable-/300764424466) and $5000 change!

[Marco]

I don't know... These folk who like dodgy overpriced antiques! :rolleyes:

;)

Marco.

[Gromit]

It's very, very nice, but for that money I think I'd rather have this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PS-X9-broadcast-turtable-/300764424466) and $5000 change!

Me too. :)

[Dingdong]

I think there was someone on the Wam selling his Mk3 'cos he'd just got a Sony.

That Sony is not very pretty is it?

[chris@panteg]

I don't know... These folk who like dodgy overpriced antiques! :rolleyes:

;)

Marco.

Both of those antique decks will take your bodged , heath robinson contraption to the cleaners Marco :D

:sofa:

[Marco]

Hahaha - aye.... If anyone's got one, bring it here and I'll watch them weep! :D

Marco.

[Lodgesound]

Nice machine but MY OH MY....that price!!!!!

When I last bought one of these (an ex. BBC machine) they were selling in 1992 for £50.00 each and yes that was with an arm and base / control unit / line preamplifier.

Admittedly they are worth a tad more now - I would say one in this condition with the plinth around £1300 - £1550.

Silly Ebay pricing once again because they think it's retro and thus extremely valuable by default.

[Beobloke]

I don't know... These folk who like dodgy overpriced antiques! :rolleyes:

;)

Marco.

Says the man who paid £1300 for a pair of Ditton 66s..........:D

:ner:

[Marco]

Lol, well, erm... Yes, but... They're BRILLIANT! :exactly:

In all seriousness, though, the SP10 MKIII should be awesome, as indeed should the Sony, sonically. Pity it's as fugly as sin! I much prefer the Sony D/D motor unit, which was designed as a competitor for the SP10, I forget the model number - perhaps you could help me out? :)

Either that, or this baby (Sony PS-8750):


http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6549/sonykillerturntable.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/sonykillerturntable.jpg/)


Now yer talkin'!! :stalks: :stalks:

Marco.

[chris@panteg]

Nice machine but MY OH MY....that price!!!!!

When I last bought one of these (an ex. BBC machine) they were selling in 1992 for £50.00 each and yes that was with an arm and base / control unit / line preamplifier.

Admittedly they are worth a tad more now - I would say one in this condition with the plinth around £1300 - £1550.

Silly Ebay pricing once again because they think it's retro and thus extremely valuable by default.

Stewart , are you talking about an SP10 MK 2 ? The deck in the OP is a mk3 , which is a different thing altogether and nobody has sold one for £50 I believe ? If only .

[RobbieGong]

Lol, well, erm... Yes, but... They're BRILLIANT! :exactly:

In all seriousness, though, the SP10 MKIII should be awesome, as indeed should the Sony, sonically. Pity it's as fugly as sin! I much prefer the Sony D/D motor unit, which was designed as a competitor for the SP10, I forget the model number - perhaps you could help me out? :)

Either that, or this baby (Sony PS-8750):


http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6549/sonykillerturntable.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/sonykillerturntable.jpg/)


Now yer talkin'!! :stalks: :stalks:

Marco.

Oh Yes Marco, You are a man of great taste – The PS 8750 is a lovely dd turntable (One of my faves) never read a bad thing about one here or anywhere on the net, always said to sound lovely.

From what I've read, I think it was this The Sony 2250 found here http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://audioklassiks.de/Bilder/Sony/sony_TTS-2500_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://audioklassiks.de/wordpress/%3Fp%3D756&usg=__ovaRaQIK4Wx66ZE8gmRHo6PeyZs=&h=492&w=900&sz=183&hl=en&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=DNMqk5k8V1bpKM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=146&ei=6kMVUYiGO8bx4QScmYHYDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsony%2Bps%2B2250%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2% 26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CDIQrQMwBA that was produced on a par with the SP10.

Despite the looks (which I think are cool, robust and purposeful) The Daddy is definately The Sony PS X9 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3463745480_0d1b13b393_o.jpg Large 15" platter. Tonearm was a 12" model. It also featured a built in MC-PrePre and riaa-phono-preamp. When introduced (1977) it cost 2000 dollars including a very good MC cart the XL-55. Its sonics are said to be ‘very good indeed, playing in the champion's league of Direct Drives and the other components of the deck like arm and electronics keep this level, too.
A serious deck indeed, built with real intent that would most likely hold it’s own against most things you’d care to put it up against. Think Trio L07d and then some – A gorgeous rare gem. :) Here she is again http://www.thevintageknob.org/sony-PS-X9.html Stunning !!!!

[Tarzan]

Stewart , are you talking about an SP10 MK 2 ? The deck in the OP is a mk3 , which is a different thing altogether and nobody has sold one for £50 I believe ? If only .


If l could find an SP10 MK3 for £1500 l would be extending my overdraft..........


That SONY looks like a battleship by the way.:stalks:

[Gromit]

Either that, or this baby (Sony PS-8750):


http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6549/sonykillerturntable.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/sonykillerturntable.jpg/)


Now yer talkin'!! :stalks: :stalks:

Marco.

Spurt... :eek:

Well I'd definitely say that flogging my old PS-6750 ranks up there in my top 3 'you frickin' bell-end why did you sell that?' moments. Needed the £ at the time but should've hung in there. :(

Never seen an 8750, a few 6750's on eBay Germany though going for fairly serious (for an old deck) money.

I happen to really like the look of the X9 - almost Bauhaus in its stark appearance; pure function over form. The sort of deck to make young kids run away and cry.

[Marco]

Hi Robert,


Oh Yes Marco, You are a man of great taste – The PS 8750 is a lovely dd turntable (One of my faves) never read a bad thing about one here or anywhere on the net, always said to sound lovely.


I like it because, for me, it just looks 'right', unlike the X9, which does nothing for me. I've never liked all-black T/Ts, as aesthetically they look too 'heavy'. The X9, for me, just looks like a poor man's EMT!

I much prefer contrasting materials, such as stainless steel or silver, of some description (such as the platter of the PS-8750), mixing with black. The engineering quality of both T/Ts, however, is taken as a given.


From what I've read, I think it was this The Sony 2250 found here http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://audioklassiks.de/Bilder/Sony/sony_TTS-2500_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://audioklassiks.de/wordpress/%3Fp%3D756&usg=__ovaRaQIK4Wx66ZE8gmRHo6PeyZs=&h=492&w=900&sz=183&hl=en&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=DNMqk5k8V1bpKM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=146&ei=6kMVUYiGO8bx4QScmYHYDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsony%2Bps%2B2250%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2% 26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CDIQrQMwBA that was produced on a par with the SP10.


Yup - that's the boy! Again, I much prefer the look of that to the X9, as the wooden plinth provides a nice contrast against the rather 'sober' aesthetic of the motor unit. Do you see where I'm coming from? I've no doubt that it would also sound superb! :)

Marco.

[Rare Bird]

I agree Marco. I don't like the 'PS-X9' & certanly don't like the power & arm control knobs.

However the only Sony deck that floats my boat is the 'TTS3000'

http://www.thevintageknob.org/sony-TTS-3000.html

[Marco]

Yup, dude, I like that one too, as it features the 'SP10 killer' motor unit I referred to earlier, offset rather nicely by the beautiful wooden plinth :)

Marco.

[Rare Bird]

Yes & no need for a massive plinth something that puts me off certain vintage motor units i'll not mention.

:sofa:

[pure sound]

TTS3000 appears to be belt drive? The 2250 was DD.

The other contenders at the top of the DD tree alongside the Mk3 would be the Exclusive (Pioneer) P3a and the Denon DP100 although doubtless there'll be those who insist that the EMT950 should be there aswell. Not sure I'd agree with that though.

[Marco]

Yes & no need for a massive plinth something that puts me off certain vintage motor units i'll not mention.


Hehehe... Great minds think alike! ;)

Marco.

[Rare Bird]

TTS3000 appears to be belt drive?



yes :D

[Marco]

TTS3000 appears to be belt drive?


Ah, in that case, the one I mean is the Sony D/D motor unit, launched at the time to rival the SP10 :)

I don't really 'do' belt-drives.

Marco.

[MartinT]

The looks are unimportant. That Sony PS-X9 is one hell of a purposeful beast. I'd make house room for it.

[Rare Bird]

Ah, in that case, the one I mean is the Sony D/D motor unit, launched at the time to rival the SP10 :)


The one that looks simular to the 'TTS3000' was the DD 'TTS2500' unit is this what your thinking off. The 'TTS4000' also DD but looked a lot different.

[Marco]

Ultimately, they are unimportant (although I'm sure Andre would disagree :eyebrows:), but if splashing out that sort of money on a T/T, Martin, I certainly wouldn't want to be locking my peepers daily on a something that they told me was fugly with a capital 'fuh'! ;)

Marco.

[chris@panteg]

How about this beast , the Micro Seiki SZ-1.

88 kg with an inertia moment of 26 tons , good grief !

http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SZ-1.html

[Marco]

The one that looks simular to the 'TTS3000' was the DD 'TTS2500' unit is this what your thinking off. The 'TTS4000' also DD but looked a lot different.


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9255/sonytts2500.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/sonytts2500.jpg/)


Yup, the TTS2500 (shown above) is actually the exact Sony I was thinking of... Gorgeous!! :)

Marco.

[The Grand Wazoo]

I certainly wouldn't want to be locking my peepers daily on a something that they told me was fugly with a capital 'fuh'

Nah, anything is going to look good when you plonk it on that pile of scaffolding you call a rack Marco!

[Marco]

Nah, anything is going to look good when you plonk it on that pile of scaffolding you call a rack Marco!

Lol - valid point, although are you sure you've not got that the wrong way round? :D

Marco.

[MartinT]

To me, purposeful industrial chic has its own beauty.

[Rare Bird]

& Cheap plastic like with tiny knobs & buttons have no beauty :D

[Marco]

To me, purposeful industrial chic has its own beauty.

Yes, I agree... The realisation of that principle is encapsulated perfectly in an EMT (especially the idlers), but not with the Sony in question.

You may disagree, however, and that's fine! :)

Marco.

[Rare Bird]

tbh: i recon the Sony 'PS-1800' turntable would be more thin on the ground than the 'TTS-3000'

[RobbieGong]

To me, purposeful industrial chic has its own beauty.

Yep! agreed, It was deliberatley built that way for studio use, hence it (The PS X9) meant serious audiophile business. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :eyebrows: Whilst I think the PS 8750 looks gorgeous, I dont view the X9 as 'fugly' at all and would definately have one coupled with the fact I know it would sound simply awesome. As for the Micro Seiki SZ -1 http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SZ-1.html - Oh my gosh is all I can say :stalks::stalks:

[Marco]

Yes, the Micro Seiki is much nicer, IMO. The other consideration for me in all of this is that it's pointless buying a vintage T/T unless it looks 'vintage', which is where wooden plinths work successfully.

Surely part of the appeal of buying a vintage T/T is the retro looks? Does the X9 look especially retro? Not for me! :)

Marco.

[Rare Bird]

That's it Marco. same with tone-arms i think modern arms on vintage TTs look odd.

[chris@panteg]

Just stumbled across this ,very interesting service and mods for the SP10 mk3 owner !


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7697/chrisimage.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/chrisimage.jpg/)

[chris@panteg]

Opps , sorry that's a little big ,can you resize that Marco ?

[chris@panteg]

Here's another mk3 for sale down under , and its real minter BIN for £7,577 , the arm looks like its never been used ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SL-1000mk3-complete-set-Turntable-SP-10mk3-Boxes-very-rare-/221186220373?pt=US_Record_Player_Turntable_Parts&hash=item337fb9e155

[RobbieGong]

That's it Marco. same with tone-arms i think modern arms on vintage TTs look odd.

Totally agree. A bit like the SP10 MK3 in post 42 above, now it looks nice, clean etc, but as well as not being fussed about the overly glossy rosewood, the Origin Live arm just looks way too modern for it IMO.

[julesd68]

I think the OL tonearm works well with the rest of the deck in that example, as there is nothing left of the original retro appeal apart from the square button, so it's a completely contemporary re-work ...

[WOStantonCS100]

Steve Dobbins SP-10MK3. I'd prefer this version of the mk3 over both a stock mk3 and the Sony's.

:sofa:


http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/0/4961/Mk3-2_arms1.jpg

[chris@panteg]

Hi Biff , yes I've read about that one , he reckoned it was as good as the Rockport ?

[RobbieGong]

Whilst I think 88kg's is utterly bonkers, I'm still completely blown away by the MIcro Seiki SZ-1 http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SZ-1.html, didn't even know it existed and it's a real shame that most likely non of us will ever see or know one :(

[Marco]

Opps , sorry that's a little big ,can you resize that Marco ?

Done, daftee! ;)

Marco.

[RobbieGong]

And another mental dd from Micro Seiki, SX-8000 - all 134.5kg's of it - :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SX-8000_II.html

[pure sound]

Hi Biff , yes I've read about that one , he reckoned it was as good as the Rockport ?

Dobbins has been making a new 'from scratch' DD for the past year or so called 'the Beat'.

[Audio Al]

And another mental dd from Micro Seiki, SX-8000 - all 134.5kg's of it - :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SX-8000_II.html


:) TT Porn :)

[pure sound]

And another mental dd from Micro Seiki, SX-8000 - all 134.5kg's of it - :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SX-8000_II.html

SX8000 is belt driven. The big case to the left is the motor incorporating a flywheel. You can also see the belt going round the platter. SZ-1 was also belt drive.

[WOStantonCS100]

Dobbins has been making a new 'from scratch' DD for the past year or so called 'the Beat'.

Yes, he certainly has. Lovely thing, too. There is a part of my sensibility that makes me wonder if current day DD fans aren't passing up units that will someday be revered decks: the Brinkman Bardo, Grand Prix Monaco, Kodo The Beat, etc. :scratch: Maybe we should be jumping on these decks. I dunno. What these decks don't have, obviously, is the 30+ year history; but, just maybe... ...food for thought...

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[MartinT]

What they do have, Biff, is a high price tag. Sure, I'd love a Grand Prix Monaco, but I have a tricked out Technics at a fraction of the cost. When I win the lottery...

[WOStantonCS100]

What they do have, Biff, is a high price tag. Sure, I'd love a Grand Prix Monaco, but I have a tricked out Technics at a fraction of the cost. When I win the lottery...

I think what you meant to say is, "...insanely high." :lol:

Honestly, for the money they're asking I'm sure I'd opt, instead, to tack a new listening room onto the house and upgrade one or two of the other 1200's. There would still be plenty left over to go on a ridiculous record buying binge... ...and just continue to drool over "The Beat".

[krugdoktor]

There is another DD-Deck built from scratch in Germany (own motor construction!!!).
http://www.stst-hifi.de/
Stefan Strohmetz is an experienced constructor and his DD-Decks (one mass loaded, the other a subchassis) got glowing reviews in german magazines.

[RobbieGong]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9255/sonytts2500.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/sonytts2500.jpg/)


Yup, the TTS2500 (shown above) is actually the exact Sony I was thinking of... Gorgeous!! :)

Marco.

Hi Marco, There's one of these lovely SP10 challengers in great order right here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-PS-2250-Plattenspieler-aus-WDR-Studio-HiFi-Raritat-Holz-mit-BDA-70ger-Jahre-/111010239638?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D5636490545832829099%26pid%3 D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D111010239638% 26 would be very tempted if I had the funds :rolleyes: