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IHP
19-01-2013, 17:27
I've had this nearly a week now, my system now comprising this, the Series 7 Power Amp, Harbeth P3ESR speakers and a Quad CD-P2. My room is 12 x 12 feet.

In this system I've now had the 25, 25R and now the RS pre. All are stunning components, as we know prices doubling for each.

I've been listening for a week now, each evening and just now a couple of hours. Sometimes 'casual' at the side of the sofa (with a beer !) pretty much opposite one speaker with the other to my right; sometimes in the sweet spot doing everything proper justice.

First of all wherever I sit there is a noticeable improvement in detail, timbre, instrument separation, that sort of thing. Even in in the non ideal 'beer' position there's also a noticeable vividness in the manner the music presents itself into the room, really penetrating into. When looking at the little boxes that are the Harbs and hearing the music in the room these two things really don't square up at all in my head.

When doing everything justice I now completely understand the cliche that is holographic imaging, quite bewildering at first. Don't get me wrong the 25R was bloody good at this but yes, you can step into it (look, who said I was avoiding cliches here ? Want a proper review, buy a glossy mag ;-). The music is indeed all surrounding, seems to envelop. Throw on top of this the improvements mentioned above and we are well and truly heaven bound. Close your eyes and it's like disappearing.

My conclusion is very simple. All these pre-amps are stunning, the 25 is a marvel and each noticeably improves as you go there. As for cost, well yes, our old mate the law of diminishing returns comes into play and we're all big boys and seasoned audio nuts and know this.

Truth is I got really lucky with this buy. RRP, and I'm just trying to put things into context here, not being boastful at all, I have a system at around £6k. That's a heck of a lot of money for a stereo, it should sound good ! I've always bought used but it still represents a fair few quid. So is this extravagance (for that's what it is) worth it. 'Course it is, I'll have this stuff 'till I go to my grave and the pleasure it gives me, all of us, is immeasurable.

Anyway hope this doesn't sound like a Croft related sycophantic rant, but the 25RS, it's alright y'know !

DSJR
19-01-2013, 17:53
I dunno - shilling for gear you've BOUGHT! Whatever next :lol:

Glad you like it :)

Rare Bird
19-01-2013, 18:01
Im not going to eat for a couple months, i can afford a Croft Phonostage then :eyebrows: The tenner i won on the lottery last week won't get me far :(

Marco
19-01-2013, 18:51
Nice one, Ian.

I agree with you about the 25RS. I've had the pleasure of listening to one now for the last week, as a friend is looking for a new preamp to match with his copper valve amp (like mine), and as he was on holiday this week, I took delivery of it on his behalf, so I could get a listen to the beastie and compare it with my 'race-tuned' Charisma-X.

The results were very interesting indeed! If I get a chance, I'll add a few thoughts later. One thing's for sure though, next to my CX, the 25RS is without a shadow of a doubt THE most addictively musical sounding preamp that has graced my system in many years! :exactly:

Marco.

Jimbo
19-01-2013, 19:56
Hi Ian, I am just thinking of buying a Croft 25 pre and have read your post with great interest as I believe you have had all 3 variants and as result you are in the fortunate position of having heard all them. I know it may be difficult to compare all 3 but I would be interested to know if you found a bigger jump in sound quality,I know that's a relative term, between the 25 and the 25R or between the 25R and 25RS. Just as a matter of interest I have heard a lot of Glenn's amps over the last 25-30 years having owned the original Croft micro when he first bought it out. Indeed that was a revelation back then. I had it partnered to a Leak stereo 20. Very nice sound back in 1987 I think it was.

Other very notable amps I have been fortunate to hear we're his early OTL,s , the Dakshini and the amazing Cypher mono blocks, they were unbelievable and the impression they made on me has stayed with me for many years.

Nice to here you are finding some of the Croft magic with the 25rs!:)

IHP
20-01-2013, 07:25
Hi James,

I really want to help of course but this is such a difficult question. Perhaps the biggest jump is the 25 to the 25R but then the extra something the RS brings is perhaps less of an obvious jump but the icing on the cake that brings true magic. Having said this if I had borrowed the RS and had to go back to the R today I really could live with it and be happy, it’s a stunner.

Funny, I’m going to put my Leak 20 in today to see how it sounds.

Cheers, Ian.

Thing Fish
20-01-2013, 08:13
I'd be happy with the basic Croft pre/power but can't somehow see it happening this year.

You never know though I may get lucky...;)

dgolh
22-01-2013, 15:41
You were pretty lucky Ian because I was seriously considering buying it. Unfortunately, my money has been spent for a fancy turntable and arm....

An Amazon 1 and a 12" Robert Fuchs tone arm, I know that :worthless:

I can only comfort myself by thinking "source first" :nocomment:

IHP
22-01-2013, 18:07
I can only comfort myself by thinking "source first" :nocomment:

Completely agree with this if the caveat "Unless you can get a top of the range Croft pre" is added at the end :ner:

Enjoy your new purchase Didier ;-)