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Rare Bird
09-12-2012, 18:54
Ive put it forward to Admin regarding a new sub forum to cover all things idler within the Turntable world..However to help decision I need some input from regular members as to whether it's viable to create this new sub forum! ie: would members contribute on a regular basis or not, do we have enough users etc etc.. we shall see anyway. Hopefully it may also attract some new members.

Thanks in advance

:D

Mike - H
09-12-2012, 19:03
I'm about to go down the 401 route, so it sounds good to me.

Mike

chris@panteg
09-12-2012, 19:11
Good idea Andre , don't have an idler myself but I'm all for it :)

Roy S
09-12-2012, 19:16
Just started twiddling with a GL78 so it's a 'yes' from me

Wakefield Turntables
09-12-2012, 19:50
+1 here. I'm waiting to get the new year out of the way and then i intend to invest more time and money with the 301 and the valve route! The 1210 is now where I want it so, to pastures new :eek:

DSJR
09-12-2012, 19:51
Well, I'll come along and lower the tone completely! :lol:

I've just finished a Garrard Zero 100 refurb (thanks to Alex_UK for taking it in and keeping the box - cough - ) and shall take great pleasure in posting my adventures with it (quite a few because of the grease which turns to araldite-like glue ;)).

Anyway, I think it's a good idea since the Techie forum is a good mine of info for these. perhaps we can do a condensed version of the Vinyl Engine site?

Marco
09-12-2012, 19:52
Keep the feedback coming, chaps! :)

Marco.

Roy S
09-12-2012, 20:01
I've just finished a Garrard Zero 100 refurb (thanks to Alex_UK for taking it in and keeping the box - cough - ) and shall take great pleasure in posting my adventures with it (quite a few because of the grease which turns to araldite-like glue ;)).



Be very interested in that David, I've got a Zero 100 in need of tlc (was it you who expressed an interest in it before?)

Thermionic Idler
09-12-2012, 20:09
I'm in favour too --- but then I'm a tad biased.

Though I run a Schick arm so does that actually make me un-biased...? :eyebrows:

Barry
09-12-2012, 20:13
Well I have only ever used 'idler wheel' decks.

First was a Garrard SP25 Mk.II (we all have to start somewhere (!)), quickly followed by a Collaro 2020 deck. This gave way to a Thorens TD124/II, which I have used for the last forty years, and now have two other samples.

Finally, I also have an EMT 930 which also uses an idler drive.

So I guess I could have something to contribute, but not sure if it would be on a regular basis.

synsei
09-12-2012, 23:07
I did suggest some months ago that it would be handy to have drive specific sub-forums but I was told it would clutter up the forum and confuse people... :lol:

rusty bearing
09-12-2012, 23:41
I live in a state of permanent confusion so shouldn't be a problem.
Fan of the Lenco so count me in.....

Audio Al
10-12-2012, 01:57
Yes why not I'm idle

Sorry I meant I have a idler :)

Canetoad
10-12-2012, 07:38
I have a GL75 in the cupboard waiting for a refurb so I'm in. :)

Beobloke
10-12-2012, 08:56
Sounds like a good plan. Anything to get people away from that flippin' DJ deck... :D

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 11:28
http://http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t406/hifi_dave/010-4.jpg




Does this qualify ?

If so, I'm in.

shane
10-12-2012, 12:15
I made one a few years ago. Can I join in?

Marco
10-12-2012, 12:24
http://http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t406/hifi_dave/010-4.jpg


Does this qualify ?

If so, I'm in.

Yum, yum - damn tootin' it does...! I think we'll probably give this idea a go, chaps, and see what happens, but let's have some more feedback first :)

Marco.

Barry
10-12-2012, 12:28
Lord! Does this mean I have to provide some pictures as well in order to become a member?

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 12:32
Lord! Does this mean I have to provide some pictures as well in order to become a member?

Definitely..:carrot:

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 12:34
Yum, yum - damn tootin' it does...! I think we'll probably give this idea a go, chaps, and see what happens, but let's have some more feedback first :)

Marco.

By the way, the plastic bag on top of my turntable contains a belt. It was meant to be ironic but didn't turn out too well..:scratch:

Rare Bird
10-12-2012, 12:45
Just finished constructing a monster 'GL75' plinth, i now have a monster veneering job on my hands amongs other things :( (Excuse on it's side sound organisation table :) )

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/Plinth.jpg

Beobloke
10-12-2012, 12:58
Does this qualify ?

If so, I'm in.

As it has a belt as well - absolutely not! ;)

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 13:01
The belt drives the IDLER..:rolleyes:

Macca
10-12-2012, 13:18
Just finished constructing a monster 'GL75' plinth, i now have a monster veneering job on my hands amongs other things :( (Excuse on it's side sound organisation table :) )

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/Plinth.jpg

That is a monster plinth! Ya gotta love no compromise solutions ;)

stewartwen
10-12-2012, 13:22
Definitely a thumbs up from me, but I dont have that much experience with idler drive turntables, even tho I bought my 401 NEW in 1969 and I have serviced it ever since, almost forgot to say that I have totally rebuilt it TWICE!
S

John
10-12-2012, 14:25
That's a massive bit of work Andre It should look totally stunning when you varnish it

Rare Bird
10-12-2012, 14:32
John
Just waiting for veneers to arrive, mid brown Teak veneer, 2mm black inlays :eyebrows:

John
10-12-2012, 14:38
Really looking forward to seeing the final pictures I am sure it will sound great
By the way I also like the idea of Idler sub section

JazzBones
10-12-2012, 14:44
Yum, yum - damn tootin' it does...! I think we'll probably give this idea a go, chaps, and see what happens, but let's have some more feedback first :)

Marco.

My two cents worth is that I think its a great idea of Andre's, we are told that we shipped (foolishly) thousands of 301 and 401s to Japan as they knew how good these TT are when we were ditiching 'em for belt drives (nothing against belt drives, one of my best friends is one ;)). Maybe it could attract members from Japan itself and I'm sure there must be many over there with a wealth of knowledge we could make use of?
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Dave (HiFiDave) what are you hiding under that tissue on the platter of your 124, surely not your teeth? Anyone got any clues :eyebrows::)

Tea24
10-12-2012, 14:49
I'm in as I have a GL75 in new plinth (thanks to Dom Harper), but I don't know how regular I shall be, particularly as I have to go into hospital at end of Jan for open heart surgery.

I would try to post a picky if I new how; where are the instructions please?

Hifi Dave you are definitely OUT!! Why? Because you just make us all bloody jealous; that's the one we all want:ner:. If I weren't so damned old I would ask to be in your will.:lol:

JazzBones
10-12-2012, 15:09
I'm in as I have a GL75 in new plinth (thanks to Dom Harper), but I don't know how regular I shall be, particularly as I have to go into hospital at end of Jan for open heart surgery.

I would try to post a picky if I new how; where are the instructions please?

Hifi Dave you are definitely OUT!! Why? Because you just make us all bloody jealous; that's the one we all want:ner:. If I weren't so damned old I would ask to be in your will.:lol:

All the best on the open heart surgery and don't worry about it, I had a triple heart bypass 7th Feb 1997 and am still around enjoying music and life. Don't be frighten when on the 2nd or 3rd day of the op they have you walking up and down stairs, its part and parcel of recovery. By the way I really, really enjoyed the morphine prep... I was on a high my man :yay::thumbsup:

Ron

fordy
10-12-2012, 15:14
I'm in!

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uf9aoz.jpg

nat8808
10-12-2012, 15:25
I'm not in favour of segregation..

When I visit the analogue art section, I dip into threads to see what is being said on ALL turntable fronts - if everything is seperated into sub-fora then not only do you never see the list of threads up front but everything is an extra click away which will clearly put people off looking unless they know the are particularly interested.

Not only that, but you'd be partly shooting yourselves in the foot - there are many people who have vast experience of idler decks who no longer use one and so not bothered at looking in such a specific forum. If you have a question then you rely only on current users only who may well also be new to idlers and nonethewiser.

nat8808
10-12-2012, 15:28
Just finished constructing a monster 'GL75' plinth, i now have a monster veneering job on my hands amongs other things :( (Excuse on it's side sound organisation table :) )

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/Plinth.jpg

To use your post as an example, is such a plinth contruction anything to do with idler decks other than you've happened to put one in it?

Could this be interesting/inspiring/helpful for ANY non-suspended deck?

Audio Al
10-12-2012, 15:31
I'm in as I have a GL75 in new plinth (thanks to Dom Harper), but I don't know how regular I shall be, particularly as I have to go into hospital at end of Jan for open heart surgery.

I would try to post a picky if I new how; where are the instructions please?

Hifi Dave you are definitely OUT!! Why? Because you just make us all bloody jealous; that's the one we all want:ner:. If I weren't so damned old I would ask to be in your will.:lol:

See this link for photos
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14874

:)

nat8808
10-12-2012, 15:33
P.s.

I have a CJWalker CJ55 that I use less often than my Pink Triangle. Does that qualify?

Afterall it is idler than the PT...

Rare Bird
10-12-2012, 16:32
I'm not in favour of segregation..

When I visit the analogue art section, I dip into threads to see what is being said on ALL turntable fronts - if everything is seperated into sub-fora then not only do you never see the list of threads up front but everything is an extra click away which will clearly put people off looking unless they know the are particularly interested.

Not only that, but you'd be partly shooting yourselves in the foot - there are many people who have vast experience of idler decks who no longer use one and so not bothered at looking in such a specific forum. If you have a question then you rely only on current users only who may well also be new to idlers and nonethewiser.

Segrigation is a good thing because it stops people who are not intrested in such things being neg..simple as this you are not intrested in say Idlers don't bother posting there or even reading. ;) ie: i can't stick Techy decks hence i don't even read within 'Techyphobia' sub forum.

Marco
10-12-2012, 16:55
ie: i can't stick Techy decks hence i don't even read within 'Techyphobia' sub forum.

:lol: :lolsign:

Marco.

Thing Fish
10-12-2012, 17:31
I'm after a reasonably priced GL75 so I'm in...:)

Barry
10-12-2012, 17:35
The belt drives the IDLER..:rolleyes:

Agreed - what distinguishes 'idler wheel drive' decks from belt drive or direct drive is how the turntable platter is driven.

The fact that a belt is used to isolate motor-noise from the speed change pully is not important, any more than the type of motor used, or how the fine speed adjustment is made: electronic frequency control; eddy current break; continuous 'gear' ratio, or friction slip pad.

We had a similar wrangling over what constituted 'classic' music, when 'The Classical Music' sub-forum was mooted. It is now up and running, without too many birth pains.


I'm not in favour of segregation..

When I visit the analogue art section, I dip into threads to see what is being said on ALL turntable fronts - if everything is seperated into sub-fora then not only do you never see the list of threads up front but everything is an extra click away which will clearly put people off looking unless they know the are particularly interested.

Not only that, but you'd be partly shooting yourselves in the foot - there are many people who have vast experience of idler decks who no longer use one and so not bothered at looking in such a specific forum. If you have a question then you rely only on current users only who may well also be new to idlers and nonethewiser.

Not so - as mentioned in my post, I have used nothing but idler drive turntables for the last forty years; so perhaps know a little about them. :rolleyes:

oldius
10-12-2012, 18:28
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy332/oldius/P1000568.jpg

One of, and possibly my greatest idler, and yet almost unspoken of!

Roy S
10-12-2012, 18:32
Thought I'd stick a pic of my one on. Missing an anti-skate weight at the moment + awaiting delivery of new v blocks.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/Lodger56/P1030039.jpg

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 18:48
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t406/hifi_dave/010-2.jpg



Snap..:lol:

Barry
10-12-2012, 18:49
Think I've seen that one before! ;)

Marco
10-12-2012, 18:51
Nope, Geoff's has got an 'invaluable music-making accessory': a tonearm! :ner:

Marco.

Barry
10-12-2012, 18:54
One of, and possibly my greatest idler, and yet almost unspoken of!

No, not quite. There are at least two members here who use these decks.

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 18:54
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t406/hifi_dave/007-6.jpg


Raise you another.

oldius
10-12-2012, 18:55
Oh and yours is a bit saggy in the middle too Dave. Looks like it could do with stiffening up a bit!



Here's my little other one:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy332/oldius/lumix1st026.jpg

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 18:55
Think I've seen that one before! ;)

Indeed you have.

I'm still putting away the pennies for a solid plinth.

Marco
10-12-2012, 18:56
I love the big 'fook-off' headshell on that arm! :)

Marco.

hifi_dave
10-12-2012, 18:58
It had a G800 in it but would look even meaner with one of those Tannoy Variluctance jobbies.

Barry
10-12-2012, 19:11
I love the big 'fook-off' headshell on that arm! :)

Marco.

You shouldn't have got rid of that Fidelity Research headshell Marco.

Marco
10-12-2012, 19:18
Neil's enjoying it now, mate. Plenty more available on ebay, should I wish another for a future project :)

Marco.

keiths
10-12-2012, 19:45
I'm broadly in favour of a distinct sub-forum for idler drive TTs.

Here's another picture of my PTP Lenco 75 - playing a nice early 1960s Charlie Byrd LP I picked up today for 50p.

http://www.simister.com/public/lenco.jpg

Canetoad
11-12-2012, 08:35
Keith,

What do you think of the PTP5 kit? :scratch:

Marco
11-12-2012, 09:15
We're going to trial the sub-forum, chaps, so look out for it appearing later :)

However, it's up to you (especially Andre, who asked for it! ;)) to ensure that it remains, by keeping it alive - and that means posting regularly by starting discussions about all things idler and contributing to them.

If the sub-forum dies a death, it'll simply be amalgamated into Analogue Art, and that'll be the end of it, so it's now over to you guys!

Marco.

Riislingen
11-12-2012, 10:41
+1 :cool:


http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2817/dsc04696xs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/dsc04696xs.jpg/)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5811/dsc04697s.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/dsc04697s.jpg/)

daytona600
11-12-2012, 12:25
some very , very nice idler Porn on here

http://www.artisanfidelity.com/

keiths
11-12-2012, 14:36
Keith,

What do you think of the PTP5 kit? :scratch:

The PTP 5 is excellent. It's very well engineered from laser cut 3mm stainless steel and is nicely finished too. Not cheap, but shipping from the Netherlands doesn't help in that respect. It makes it much easier to construct a layered plinth as each layer is cut the same. It really boosts the performance of the L75 by eliminating the somewhat rudimentary pressed-steel top plate and also provides a degree of extra isolation between the motor and main bearing.

Barry
11-12-2012, 18:02
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2817/dsc04696xs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/dsc04696xs.jpg/)



Lovely as it is - I couldn't put up with the engraved/scratched number on the TD124/II for too long.

I know they say "looks aren't everything", but we all have our limits. :rolleyes:

Also the deck does not look level - the bubble is not centred in the circle.

nat8808
11-12-2012, 18:43
Oh and yours is a bit saggy in the middle too Dave. Looks like it could do with stiffening up a bit!



Here's my little other one:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy332/oldius/lumix1st026.jpg

Another ART1 user !

Can we have an ART1 subforum?

Marco
11-12-2012, 18:47
No, but we can have a daftees sub-forum, and you'll be the leader!! :lol:

Marco.

Ammonite Audio
11-12-2012, 18:56
Lovely as it is - I couldn't put up with the engraved/scratched number on the TD124/II for too long.

I know they say "looks aren't everything", but we all have our limits. :rolleyes:

Also the deck does not look level - the bubble is not centred in the circle.

My TD-124's bubble level is not level either!

Marco
11-12-2012, 18:59
Then is your T/T not level, Hugo?

Marco.

nat8808
11-12-2012, 19:02
Originally Posted by nat8808
I'm not in favour of segregation..

When I visit the analogue art section, I dip into threads to see what is being said on ALL turntable fronts - if everything is seperated into sub-fora then not only do you never see the list of threads up front but everything is an extra click away which will clearly put people off looking unless they know the are particularly interested.

Not only that, but you'd be partly shooting yourselves in the foot - there are many people who have vast experience of idler decks who no longer use one and so not bothered at looking in such a specific forum.If you have a question then you rely only on current users only who may well also be new to idlers and nonethewiser.


Not so - as mentioned in my post, I have used nothing but idler drive turntables for the last forty years; so perhaps know a little about them. :rolleyes:

:doh: You quote me yet somehow respond to something else, or didn't read it or was blinded by the desire to make an statement that reads as if it is ego driven.

As I say, you rely on current users of the deck who will mostly be the ones visiting the subforum and hence a much larger proportion of them will be enthusiastic, new-to-idler types than compared to ALL turntable users.

I have two idlers, a 301 and 401 and had a TD124 too (is a BSR an idler?). I might have some experience to impart but cos I'm not using them I doubt Im going to now read any threads or contribute to threads on them unless those threads are presented in front of my eyes in the main forum. I will just assume that the sub forum will be lots of cooing and fawning :lol:

Basically, I am interested in getting the BEST SOUND and not worried by what tech is used to get it.

If you want to limit your sharing of experiences with everyone and aim it only to similar users then that's up to you - I prefer a more open and inclusive audio community! Might be something in the AUP tooo about that (but I've not read it in years..).

Riislingen
11-12-2012, 19:10
I agree, itīs not the prettiest thing. However, the deck came off a studio and was in very good nick. Considering the price of a hundred quid, I can live with the narking.

Then again, itīs my backup deck :D

In regards to the spirit level, like Shuggie mention further down the thread, itīs not the most reliable thing. I normally rely on leveling out the deck directly on top of the stripped platter.



Lovely as it is - I couldn't put up with the engraved/scratched number on the TD124/II for too long.

I know they say "looks aren't everything", but we all have our limits. :rolleyes:

Also the deck does not look level - the bubble is not centred in the circle.

Barry
11-12-2012, 19:10
:doh: You quote me yet somehow respond to something else, or didn't read it or was blinded by the desire to make an statement that reads as if it is ego driven.

As I say, you rely on current users of the deck who will mostly be the ones visiting the subforum and hence a much larger proportion of them will be enthusiastic, new-to-idler types than compared to ALL turntable users.

I have two idlers, a 301 and 401 and had a TD124 too (is a BSR an idler?). I might have some experience to impart but cos I'm not using them I doubt Im going to now read any threads or contribute to threads on them unless those threads are presented in front of my eyes in the main forum. I will just assume that the sub forum will be lots of cooing and fawning :lol:

Basically, I am interested in getting the BEST SOUND and not worried by what tech is used to get it.

If you want to limit your sharing of experiences with everyone and aim it only to similar users then that's up to you - I prefer a more open and inclusive audio community! Might be something in the AUP tooo about that (but I've not read it in years..).

Ouch! Know my place then.

nat8808
11-12-2012, 19:18
You quote me yet somehow respond to something else, or didn't read it or was blinded by the desire to make an statement that reads as if it is ego driven.

Ouch! Know my place then.

:doh: Read it your own way again.

It READS as if it is ego driven but that doesn't mean that it was ego driven. I have no idea. I give you the benefit of the doubt, take it that it wasn't meant that way.

Marco
11-12-2012, 19:23
Wind yer neck in, Nat! :rolleyes:

Idler sub-forum now open, chaps :cool:

Marco.

Ammonite Audio
11-12-2012, 19:26
Then is your T/T not level, Hugo?

Marco.

Of course it's level! I use good quality bubble levels on the platter and headshell to get everything spot-on. At some point I shall tweak the TD-124's bubble level so it is correct.

Mika K
11-12-2012, 19:27
Who? What? Where? I've missed this totally.. :D

nat8808
11-12-2012, 19:28
At the risk of sounding like I care about this more than I do, here are just three threads from the first page of the Techiepedia sub-forum:

Origin Live mat? (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22230)

Denon DL103 arrives at Tarzan Towers (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20556)

Making a Tone arm board out of Ebony for an SL-1210 (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14609)

The first two aren't related to the 1210 yet the discussions now only involve 1210 users essentially (and the OL mat one with someone hinting they have a couple of other mats for sale, but now only to fellow 1210 users?).

The armboard one - I will need to make an armboard at some point, might even be circular too so why limit the discussion to 1210 users? Is more of a DIY thread post isn't it?

Just think that too many sub-fora break up a forum community and limit the appeal, whilst also making more work for the mods (by having to move threads about more etc etc).

Don't get me wrong - I'm writing far more on this than my botheredness actually warrants ! :lol:

Marco
11-12-2012, 19:30
Of course it's level! I use good quality bubble levels on the platter and headshell to get everything spot-on. At some point I shall tweak the TD-124's bubble level so it is correct.

Indeed... I should've put a smiley in my last post! ;)

Marco.

nat8808
11-12-2012, 19:31
Wind yer neck in, Nat! :rolleyes:

Idler sub-forum now open, chaps :cool:

Marco.

I was making peace by saying that I didn't think it WAS ego driven.

Better for people to read to posts twice perhaps rather than start an argument that isn't there..

OneyedK
11-12-2012, 19:59
I'm not happy with the name of the sub forum.

I would have called it "Rumble in the jungle" :lol:

Then again, I would've called the Techiepedia "DJ territory" :D

Awaiting the revolution of the belt drivers now :sofa:

nat8808
11-12-2012, 20:41
I'm not happy with the name of the sub forum.

I would have called it "Rumble in the jungle" :lol:

Then again, I would've called the Techiepedia "DJ territory" :D

Awaiting the revolution of the belt drivers now :sofa:

Direct Drivers will be the ones with the heavier weapons come the revolution I suspect - more into direct power and massive torque etc

Wakefield Turntables
11-12-2012, 20:45
Idler's dont rumble incidently, this is a myth.

Thermionic Idler
11-12-2012, 21:21
I would have called it "Rumble in the jungle" :lol:

:lol: Gotta say I do rather like that. I sometimes call mine the "Rumble Drive" in a sort of ironic way as it's actually silent running.

Woohooo we got a sandpit! Now we just need ones for OTL amps, speakers that use Lowther drivers, SPU's...... ;)

Rare Bird
11-12-2012, 21:27
Rumble!! :scratch:

OneyedK
11-12-2012, 21:56
Idler's dont rumble incidently, this is a myth.
Yup, and I don't snore...
EVERY turntable has rumble.
Depending on the drive system, more measures must be taken to keep the rumble at an acceptable level.
The (imperfect) bearings, the (imperfect) contact surfaces, the electronic loop filters, they all induce a certain level of rumble...
Now what drive system is the most susceptible to rumble do you think?

Another thing, the rumble frequency itself is (or should be) inaudible, but intermodulates with every other frequency that is reproduced, and that IS audible.
Some may like the "sound effect", others don't...

But I don't want to go into a discussion or a debate, just wanted to pull a leg from an idler user and it worked :D
I don't want to offend anyone, whatever you like best, you like best :cool:

nat8808
11-12-2012, 22:19
whatever you like best, you like best :cool:

I just like "The Best" ..

Rare Bird
11-12-2012, 23:01
I got news for you, thur aint no 'Best''

Reid Malenfant
11-12-2012, 23:05
Ah, I see Andr'e finally got a sub forum up & running ;) Well done fella, I guess it was only a question of time & determination!

Some day I'll join you here with the joys of a Goldring G99 that'll be pretty well fettled as well as being fed a clean 50Hz supply..

It may take a while though, as I have other priorities right now :)


All for the forum though :thumbsup:

nat8808
11-12-2012, 23:15
I got news for you, thur aint no 'Best''

not "Best". "The Best"

Bit of an obscure band I suppose but I like them.

oldius
12-12-2012, 18:01
I love the Art-1 cartridge. It was recommended to me by Dominic Harper who suggested that if ever I see one, I should try and get hold of it. New Years Eve proved to be a great time to place an Ebay bid! The Art-1 sits in a 12" Nottingham Ace Anna arm aboard a 50mm slate plinthed 401.

The G99 now features an Origin Live Conqueror arm and, at Marco's recommendation, the Denon DL-S1 cartridge which provides a beautiful, subtle balance to the drive and power of the G99.

At a recent bakeoff of Wigwam members, the G99 with DL-S1 lead the field which makes it, for me, my biggest hifi bargain.

Marco
12-12-2012, 19:29
So you moved the DL-S1 over to the G99, dude? Nice one - thought it'd be a synergistic partnership! :)

I'm not surprised that it's kicking ass at bake-offs... Remember what I told you about it's sonic value? ;)

Don't ever sell it!!

Marco.

oldius
12-12-2012, 19:39
Marco

I did and it is. I didn't get it at first, the denon's strengths are not immediate but, over time, I realised that the blend of power and drive, dual pivot "fleet footed ness" and the subtlety of the Denon are a lovely combination.

Thanks for the advice and yes, it's a keeper.

Marco
12-12-2012, 20:10
Excellent, matey... You just need to hear it now, through a quality SUT, preferably Denon's own AU-S1, made specially for your DL-S1 cartridge:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/163/denonaus1stepuptransfor.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/denonaus1stepuptransfor.jpg/)


http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5681/denonaus1stepuptransfor.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/denonaus1stepuptransfor.png/)


Trust me, used through the MM input of that fab phono stage of yours, it'll blow your mind! You know that uncle Marco knows best... ;)

ebay is your friend.....

Marco.

Jonneville
14-12-2012, 13:44
Looks like this new sub-forum is going to be bad news for me. I haven't even finished putting together my TD 124 but I'm already thinking about a Lenco PTP or a Commonwealth or an EMT etc etc, as I really fancy building something with a heavyweight platter (I plan to leave the Thorens in its Jim Campbell CLD base rather than change it).

Enjoying what's been posted so far.

Regards

Jon'.

P.S. "Idle Vice" - damn fine name!

Wakefield Turntables
14-12-2012, 14:44
Looks like this new sub-forum is going to be bad news for me. I haven't even finished putting together my TD 124 but I'm already thinking about a Lenco PTP or a Commonwealth or an EMT etc etc, as I really fancy building something with a heavyweight platter (I plan to leave the Thorens in its Jim Campbell CLD base rather than change it).

Enjoying what's been posted so far.

Regards

Jon'.

P.S. "Idle Vice" - damn fine name!

I already have EMT itch :( Its a very expensive medical condition which usually occurs after 1210itis.

Jonboy
14-12-2012, 17:43
hopefully get around to doing something with my Lenco one day quite fancy a slate plinth, interesting stuff :)

shane
14-12-2012, 19:37
Very odd, all this fuss about different forum sections. I just log in, click on New Posts and scroll down until something catches my eye. I have no idea which section I'm in, and rarely miss anything that interests me.

Marco
14-12-2012, 19:41
:clapclapclap:

I wish all our members were similarly as 'uncomplicated'! ;)

Marco.

Rare Bird
14-12-2012, 19:42
I basically think if they can't do things easy on this flaming tapatalk bollox they don't wanna play

Marco
14-12-2012, 19:44
Exactly. Hence all this shite about 'too many clicks'! :doh: :rolleyes: :D

Away and use a phone for what it's meant for, is my message!!

Marco.

Beechwoods
14-12-2012, 19:52
Tapatalk is great for keeping up with threads you're already involved in, but the 'New Posts' option on the proper forum is the best way to see whats going on across the site... all in my humble experience of course.

Marco
14-12-2012, 19:58
Yup, fair enough - and I would add that, unless you're out and about and have no option, then use a proper bloody computer for accessing the forum at home (laptop or PC), and keep your fooking phone for browsing the 'Net on those boring journeys on the train to work! ;)

Marco.

Beechwoods
14-12-2012, 20:16
Given the work that goes into the main site, I'd have to agree!

Marco
14-12-2012, 20:25
Lol - on this particular matter, that surprises me! ;)

Seriously though, these 'inconveniences' only become an issue when you haven't got a proper keyboard in front of you and/or decent Internet connectivity...

Marco.

Wakefield Turntables
14-12-2012, 21:29
Very odd, all this fuss about different forum sections. I just log in, click on New Posts and scroll down until something catches my eye. I have no idea which section I'm in, and rarely miss anything that interests me.

This is exactly what I said in another thread, its not difficult is it?

Marco
14-12-2012, 22:24
Indeed, but some folk just like doing their best to make it so! ;)

Marco.

OneyedK
15-12-2012, 09:53
I already have EMT itch :( Its a very expensive medical condition which usually occurs after 1210itis.
There's a very simple cure for it.
Go to an EMT, lift it and keep it up for a minute or so.
EMT itch cured and back problems for the rest of your life :mental:

Barry
15-12-2012, 13:35
There's a very simple cure for it.
Go to an EMT, lift it and keep it up for a minute or so.
EMT itch cured and back problems for the rest of your life :mental:

:lol:

Regards, an EMT owner who also has back problems!

Wakefield Turntables
15-12-2012, 18:26
EMT itch cured and back problems for the rest of your life :mental:

NO! That will not be happening.

BTH K10A
15-12-2012, 18:49
As an owner of a couple of EMT's I can assure you that the itch just moves to another place

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9220

Oops, its seems I've slipped a link to a DD into the Idler section :uhho:

Jonneville
16-12-2012, 17:22
I think that this sub-forum is a good idea. Up until a year or so ago another of my interests was collecting vintage military watches - a very difficult area with scores of fakes, bitzas and watches of questionable provenance. There are many watch forums which of course are very different in character, with one dedicated entirely to mil-watches and several more with a mil-watch sub-forum.

The forum I spent most time on was ATG Vintage Watches, run by one of the world's leading experts. ATG did not have a dedicated mil-watch section but the owner, Alistair Gibbons, decided that he would introduce sub-forums for mil-watches, dive watches and Lemanias. As expected there was a concern about diluting the main discussion forum but in practice it has worked very well - I was (still am actually) the moderator for the mil-watch forum.

The sub-forum meant that instead of specific threads being diluted by other material, they are essentially kept together in one archive - sure it means that there are less posts on the main forum because of the sub-forums - but the info' is concentrated.

In practice, what this has meant is that the dedicated sub-forums have attracted very knowledgeable collectors who would not otherwise have posted on the main forum. What I have noticed is that quite often those collectors only post that info' on the ATG mil-watches sub-forum and not elsewhere. Hopefuly idler enthusiasts will visit the sub-forum regularly, whereas before they might not have dipped into Analogue Art.

From my limited experience here so far, AoS reminds me a lot of ATG - it benefits from the personality and guidance of the owner (Marco's approach is just like that of Alistair on ATG) - and it's a very friendly place without the ranting.

Over at ATG, after the initial enthusiasm, posting on the sub-forums slowed down but they remain very worthwhile assets to the ATG forum as a whole.

Let's hope Idle Vice (great name by the way...!) is the same success.

Regards

Jon'.

Jonboy
16-12-2012, 17:51
Hi Jon, i was into watches before i got the hifi bug again still got around 100 timepieces knocking about from a 1765 silver pear case verge fusee pocket watch on-wards including a couple of military watches.

back to the idlers now carry on

The Grand Wazoo
17-12-2012, 01:00
That's it then, I'm off to start an idler drive military dive watch sub-sub-sub forum.

nat8808
17-12-2012, 03:13
I have no idea which section I'm in, and rarely miss anything that interests me.

But how would you know, especially if you have indeed missed it?

Some kind of paradox going on there in that thought..

nat8808
17-12-2012, 03:18
I love the Art-1 cartridge. It was recommended to me by Dominic Harper who suggested that if ever I see one, I should try and get hold of it. New Years Eve proved to be a great time to place an Ebay bid! The Art-1 sits in a 12" Nottingham Ace Anna arm aboard a 50mm slate plinthed 401.

The G99 now features an Origin Live Conqueror arm and, at Marco's recommendation, the Denon DL-S1 cartridge which provides a beautiful, subtle balance to the drive and power of the G99.

At a recent bakeoff of Wigwam members, the G99 with DL-S1 lead the field which makes it, for me, my biggest hifi bargain.

Loving mine too. Mine was supposedly NOS (no reason to not think so) with box etc Didn't realise how long they were actually made for, well into the mid-nineties.

nat8808
17-12-2012, 03:24
I think that this sub-forum is a good idea. Up until a year or so ago another of my interests was collecting vintage military watches - a very difficult area with scores of fakes, bitzas and watches of questionable provenance. There are many watch forums which of course are very different in character, with one dedicated entirely to mil-watches and several more with a mil-watch sub-forum.

The forum I spent most time on was ATG Vintage Watches, run by one of the world's leading experts. ATG did not have a dedicated mil-watch section but the owner, Alistair Gibbons, decided that he would introduce sub-forums for mil-watches, dive watches and Lemanias. As expected there was a concern about diluting the main discussion forum but in practice it has worked very well - I was (still am actually) the moderator for the mil-watch forum.

The sub-forum meant that instead of specific threads being diluted by other material, they are essentially kept together in one archive - sure it means that there are less posts on the main forum because of the sub-forums - but the info' is concentrated.

In practice, what this has meant is that the dedicated sub-forums have attracted very knowledgeable collectors who would not otherwise have posted on the main forum. What I have noticed is that quite often those collectors only post that info' on the ATG mil-watches sub-forum and not elsewhere. Hopefuly idler enthusiasts will visit the sub-forum regularly, whereas before they might not have dipped into Analogue Art.

From my limited experience here so far, AoS reminds me a lot of ATG - it benefits from the personality and guidance of the owner (Marco's approach is just like that of Alistair on ATG) - and it's a very friendly place without the ranting.

Over at ATG, after the initial enthusiasm, posting on the sub-forums slowed down but they remain very worthwhile assets to the ATG forum as a whole.

Let's hope Idle Vice (great name by the way...!) is the same success.

Regards

Jon'.

That is the kind of ultimate conclusion and is how vinylengine.com is arranged as a turntable forum - info and knowledge on each brand is concentrated into each sub forum.

Helpful for specific info, repairs, uber geekery etc but unhelpful for a more holistic, artful approach to system building. Depends how you want a forum to go - don't think Marco wants to go the vinylengine route.

nat8808
17-12-2012, 03:31
Very odd, all this fuss about different forum sections. I just log in, click on New Posts and scroll down until something catches my eye. I have no idea which section I'm in, and rarely miss anything that interests me.


:clapclapclap:

I wish all our members were similarly as 'uncomplicated'! ;)

Marco.

So the recommended way to use the site is to bypass the site organisation altogether?

What's all this fuss about sub fora then? :scratch: Archiving I suppose.

Jonneville
17-12-2012, 11:19
That's it then, I'm off to start an idler drive military dive watch sub-sub-sub forum.

Great, count me in - let's call it Idle Hands...

Regards

Jon'.

Marco
17-12-2012, 11:24
So the recommended way to use the site is to bypass the site organisation altogether?


Nope - there is no "recommended" way. Just gracefully accept the existence of the sub-forums, without the need for any further explanations, STFU now, and use the site in whatever way tickles your fancy. Simples! ;)

Marco.

The Grand Wazoo
17-12-2012, 18:17
Great, count me in - let's call it Idle Hands...

Or perhaps if we specialise in German idler drive military dive watches, it could be Idle Hans.

Jonboy
17-12-2012, 19:31
Or perhaps if we specialise in German idler drive military dive watches, it could be Idle Hans.


Oh you are a wit, :lol:

nat8808
19-12-2012, 03:22
Nope - there is no "recommended" way. Just gracefully accept the existence of the sub-forums, without the need for any further explanations, STFU now, and use the site in whatever way tickles your fancy. Simples! ;)

Marco.

I'm fine with the sub forum idea - already said that..

I like to discuss, as with other things, what the bigger picture of it might be, how it could effect the look and feel of the forum, how it effects how people interact etc.

Thought you might be interested in thinking about and discussing it too as you're probably more into it (how forums work well) than I am.

Marco
20-12-2012, 00:44
Unfortunately, Nat, these recent statements of yours appear to contradict each other:


What's all this fuss about sub fora then? :scratch:


And:


I'm fine with the sub forum idea - already said that..


Anyway, there's no problem discussing things.

Discussing things is always welcome, but when you've already made your point MORE than once.....................................

There's a saying in Italian that goes: "Un pochino, un pochino e puoi puzza", which translates roughly as: "A little bit and a little bit and then it stinks". Think about the relevance of that here! ;)

Marco.

nat8808
22-12-2012, 10:33
Unfortunately, Nat, these recent statements of yours appear to contradict each other

Not in their individual contexts






Anyway, there's no problem discussing things.

Discussing things is always welcome, but when you've already made your point MORE than once.....................................

There's a saying in Italian that goes: "Un pochino, un pochino e puoi puzza", which translates roughly as: "A little bit and a little bit and then it stinks". Think about the relevance of that here! ;)

Marco.

It's rude surely to ignore a reply. And if the reply is repetitive, then you can well expect the same response as before.. Better to either engage in discussion and move it forward or not at all.

Ho hum, I imagine this has descended to something about getting the last word in though.

Marco
22-12-2012, 21:43
I think we should just leave it there now, mate, and move on :)

Marco.

nat8808
28-01-2013, 23:31
Been a whole week now since the last post in this idler sub forum..

Where is everybody?

The Grand Wazoo
28-01-2013, 23:42
Bunch of idle.......no I can't say that lazy sods.

walpurgis
29-01-2013, 00:43
I'm an idler anyway.

But to get back to the point of the thread, I'm sure many would like to contibute their 'idler' thoughts.

I've been down the Garrard and Goldring Lenco route many times. I have no idler TT at the moment, but I've got my eye on a bit of an old 'classic' idler driven unit which I may buy, so having a little 'niche' on which to place idler thoughts and impressions seems good to me (can't hurt surely?).

Rare Bird
29-01-2013, 11:15
tbh i try not to talk about things much anymore because there's too many arses that look down on you if you don't own ther ideal expensive TT..

walpurgis
29-01-2013, 11:27
tbh i try not to talk about things much anymore because there's too many arses that look down on you if you don't own ther ideal expensive TT..

Why worry Andr'e.

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Not to me anyway. The moment the "arses" realise you don't give a toss, they look elsewhere for somebody to annoy!

Marco
29-01-2013, 12:09
tbh i try not to talk about things much anymore because there's too many arses that look down on you if you don't own ther ideal expensive TT..

Ya, but you don't get any of that pish here....well, not unless you're into bouncy rubber-bandism :eyebrows:

Marco.

synsei
29-01-2013, 12:25
Ya, but you don't get any of that pish here....well, not unless you're into bouncy rubber-bandism :eyebrows:

Marco.
:scratch:

Marco
29-01-2013, 12:30
LP12s... And I was only kidding!! ;)

Marco.

Rare Bird
29-01-2013, 14:08
Well ive always thought middle market decks sounded best to my ears, besides decks are what you make em, put the work in & that good solidly engineered deck can move up a level or two.

I think this is where people go wrong, they swap decks like changing under kecks cos they think that off the shelf is as good as it's gonna sound...

walpurgis
29-01-2013, 21:37
Any progress on your latest Goldring Lenco project Andr'e?

Rare Bird
29-01-2013, 21:51
Just trying to get that Mayware mod finished Geoff, be done tomorrow ready for finishing. i'll get cracking at weekend on the Lenco hopefully, thing is those bottles of red wine on the side keep acting like electro-magnets latley :eyebrows:

walpurgis
30-01-2013, 00:29
Ah, it's a lager thing with me. I don't drink huge quantities, but I've had two or three cans or bottles of a good lager nearly every night since Christmas. Must give it a rest actually, it is clouding my thoughts, I function best with no booze for a few days.

The fags are not helping me either, three chest infections on the trot, brought home from school for me by my grand daughters (who live with me) and it's taking me ages to recover properly. I know the baccy is having a negative effect.

nat8808
16-02-2013, 12:21
Well ive always thought middle market decks sounded best to my ears, besides decks are what you make em, put the work in & that good solidly engineered deck can move up a level or two.

I think this is where people go wrong, they swap decks like changing under kecks cos they think that off the shelf is as good as it's gonna sound...

I agree but that often means putting the work in after you've spent the day at work or spending your precious weekend with your nose in a project rather than seeing the people you love that you didn't have time for in the week.

So more effiecient to spend some of the money you earned in the week buying a more solid engineered deck than you already have. Worked out on a per hour basis, including the sale of your current deck, it probably makes more time sense to do a bit of overtime (unless you're on a really low wage).

What you need are ideas that you can carry out in small moments whilst doing other things - like my idea of a making a solid plinth out of electrical tape or gaffa tape (ever wrapped your knuckles on the side of a roll of tape?). You slowly build up the plinth in small moments as and when you find them, like knitting..