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synsei
09-12-2012, 12:12
In recent years the Barons of F1 have been steering the worlds premier single seat motor racing series towards a greener future. Arguably, the first steps were taken towards this goal in 1998 with the introduction of the so called Narrow Era regs and latterly V8 engines which resulted in a car which had similar physical dimensions to that of an F3 car of the same era. Along with the shrunken dimensions came a narrower track and tyres, which also sported grooves for the first time. The initial idea was to slow the cars down thus increasing safety. A side effect of these rule changes was that the cars became more economical to run.

Results were mixed however as the lack of mechanical grip resulted in the more ingenious designers clawing back the deficit with aerodynamic grip, pushing more force onto the tyres through wings, aerodynamic devices etc, which in turn resulted in less overtaking as these devices tend to make the wake behind the car 'dirty' (turbulent), preventing other cars from following closely, due to their dependence upon 'clean' air to make the car stick to the track. The grooved tyres were initially made of a harder compound synthetic rubber, this enabled them to support the groove tread profile which would otherwise deform if made from softer compounds. Unfortunately this generated some spectacular accidents in times of aerodynamic grip failure (e.g., rear wing failures), as the harder compound could not grip the track as well. It quickly became apparent that such accidents could compromise the safety of the drivers so full slicks were reintroduced. Next years F1 championship sees the introduction of 1.5 litre V6 turbo engines and even more radical design changes to the cars which should help bring the costs of operating an F1 team down and consequently making the cars greener than ever before. Despite all this I believe there is much more that could be done to make the the championship even greener and more exciting to watch.

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Above is a photo of the radical Nissan DeltaWing, designed by former Lola design chief Ben Bowlby and Chip Ganassi Racing, It was initially pitched as a design for the single seat US Indy Car series but Indy Car rejected it as too radical and decided to continue with a development of the Dallara chassis the series has been using for a while now. I feel this was a lost opportunity for Indy Car, but Indy Car's loss could be F1's gain.

The DeltaWing design is incredibly clever in many aspects: The main thrust of the concept was to reduce the deleterious effects of turbulence behind the car which therefore allows following cars to travel closer behind without loss of downforce thus encouraging more overtaking moves. Due to the aerodynamics of the concept it can punch through the air very cleanly which also means it is far more economical than a more traditional single seat chassis and it also needs a smaller and less powerful engine to achieve a given performance figure. Below is a video in which you can see the DeltaWing in action and watch Ben Bowlby explaining how the concept functions to motoring journalist Chris Harris :)

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There would need to be a radical overhaul of the F1 design regs to allow a development of the DeltaWing concept to compete in F1, but I believe this could be doable if the teams are willing to embrace it. One aspect of the design should be instantly attractive to them, there is a lot more room for advertisers on the DeltaWing bodywork which potentially means more revenue for the teams. A non-turbo version of the 2013 F1 engine could potentially deliver similar performance figures as next years F1 cars when bolted to the DeltaWing chassis. The car looks really exciting and with ongoing discussions concerning the introduction of closed cockpits after Fernando Alonso narrowly escaped decapitation at the La Source hairpin incident during the Spa GP earlier this year I think the DeltaWing concept lends itself well to the introduction of a jet-fighter style cockpit canopy.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this... :cool:

MartinT
21-12-2012, 22:53
I completely missed this until now, Dave. I think the F1 regs have taken a couple of blind alleys to get to where they are now. Although DRS and KERS are somewhat artificial additions to the cars, they have had the positive effect of giving the drivers more skills to acquire and allowing closer racing and overtaking. This season was undeniably more exciting as a result.

However - and this is a big one for me - F1 could go too far in the economy direction. I applaud a little eco-friendliness (and they are far more economical than Indy cars), but 1.6l turbo engines? Really? They will sound horribly buzzy and it will be hard to accept that they are the pinnacle of motorsport. They won't reduce costs either, as the manufacturers will throw even more technology at them to make them go faster.

As for the DeltaWing, it does look interesting but isn't really in the spirit of open wheel racing I think. I can also see many, many accidents because of misjudging the wider rear when overtaking. Closed cockpits? I suppose it will happen but isn't part of the thrill of F1 that it's still a dangerous sport and allows only the top drivers in the world entry?

synsei
22-12-2012, 02:24
I agree with everything you say Martin, especially having lived through and been a huge fan during the halcyon days of F1, but if the FIA are determined to go down the economy route, the least they could do is embrace it wholeheartedly rather than faff about adjusting a little bit here and a little bit there.

The 1.6L engines are definitely going to sound like an amphetamine fuelled Gnat (I miss the gorgeous sound of the V10's myself, pure music!) but there is a precedent. In 1961 new rules were introduced to limit capacity to 1.5L and Coventry Climax ruled the roost firstly with their inline four FPF which was superceded by the FWMV V8. I believe Jim Clarke won races powered by this engine and CC were to notch up another 22 wins before the rules changed again in 1966, when engine capacity was doubled to 3L. Of course, this would be the era dominated by the glorious Ford DFV

Us F1 fanatics are a fickle lot, we hate change. I remember being absolutely mortified when the new regs were introduced which slimmed down the 'full fat' ,full width cars to the 'Skinny Latté' efforts we have today. They looked so silly to me for such a long time but now I've grown used to them and I think the McLaren in particular looks quite swish.

Unfortunately with the worlds economy in freefall and oil running out, F1 needs to change or it risks alienating a fanbase which are being forced to buy ever greener vehicles due to the rising costs of fuel. Even the premium manufacturers have woken up to this. Firms such as BMW and Audi have re-specced their top models with performance diesels and petrol engines with fewer cylinders offering better fuel economy. Performance doesn't seem to have suffered though as the latest BMW M5, with two fewer cylinders under the bonnet, can demonstrate. I also believe Audi's S6 and S4 now sport a V6 where once they were fitted with 4.2L V8's.

Audio Al
22-12-2012, 05:25
Rules and economy all need to be in place

F1 in its early days was a free for all , He who pays the most wins :doh:

Back in Mansell's days the team had scientists developing rocket fuels costing £60k per tank :stalks: but he did win :D

In other country's NASCAR one team was winning and it took some time and investigation to find out why , Eventually the reason was found
The teams all had the same size approved fuel tanks holding the same amount of fuel , Nothing in the rules said you could not use the the capacity of the roll cage tubing to get extra gallons :D this winning team did just that

Cost cutting / economy I think is good for F1 as it should allow more teams and more balanced racing , its then down to team development aerodynamics, driver ability :)

Bring it on :D

MartinT
22-12-2012, 10:30
I miss the gorgeous sound of the V10's myself, pure music!

Oh yes indeed, a wonderful sound. I also remember the turbo cars of the Mansell period being extremely loud - I saw him at Brands and was absolutely deafened when close to the track. The power of those engines was incredible, not matched by the chassis' ability making them a real pig to drive. Those were the days of extreme car control.


Us F1 fanatics are a fickle lot, we hate change. I remember being absolutely mortified when the new regs were introduced which slimmed down the 'full fat' ,full width cars to the 'Skinny Latté' efforts we have today. They looked so silly to me for such a long time but now I've grown used to them and I think the McLaren in particular looks quite swish.

Me too, the McLaren at least has a stylish presence whereas all the stepped-nose cars look plain ugly.


Firms such as BMW and Audi have re-specced their top models with performance diesels and petrol engines with fewer cylinders offering better fuel economy. Performance doesn't seem to have suffered though as the latest BMW M5, with two fewer cylinders under the bonnet, can demonstrate.

Indeed, my BMW's 3.0l straight six twin-turbo diesel leaves my old BMW 4.4l petrol V8 for dead. How about this for a thought (and in light of the very successful JCB diesel record): turbo-diesel F1 cars. They could develop extraordinary torque, leading edge technology and still have excellent economy. You could make them loud, for sure (some diesel powered boats I've known make a wonderful sound).

Tim
22-12-2012, 15:57
I don't think there has been a car so beautiful and well designed since the Honda powered Gordon Murray MP4/4 - I loved its simplicity and clean lines.

http://g.io.ua/img_aa/large/1667/71/16677110.jpg

I'm a little concerned about the constant rule changes and a closed cockpit would be dreadful IMO. But I do think this years racing has been some of the most exciting for years.
I have not been to a Grand Prix since the 90's, but prior to that I went every single year and managed to (briefly) meet Ayrton. Those turbo engines were deafening but boy did they add something, that noise and smell when you got close to the track was addictive.

archiesdad
22-12-2012, 16:33
I don't think there has been a car so beautiful and well designed since the Honda powered Gordon Murray MP4/4 - I loved its simplicity and clean lines.
http://g.io.ua/img_aa/large/1667/71/16677110.jpg

Now then, that's what an F1 should look like, powered by a big fuck off V8/V10, as for fuel economy, well just how fuel do the jumbos that transport the circus around the world use? or all the private jets/helicopters that the big shots travel to/from the meetings account for? In world terms motorsport cannot use a significant percentage of fuel to even register on a scale can it.?