Croft Acoustics Amps.

[Gibo69]

Hello everybody,
I am new to this wonderful forum and I have some question regarding Croft products and Hybrid amps in general.

I am in the process of buying a new system, and I was looking at Croft Amps as one dealer suggested this is the way to go for the best build quality-price-sound wise.

I saw that he has many products and after reading some posts here it *seem* that the best choice is going with the Micro 25 R Pre and the Series 7 R Power Amp.
I think his top of the line products are the Micro 25 RS and Series 7 R Mono Power amps, I am correct ?
Is there a big (or noticeable) difference between the two sets ( Micro 25R + Serie 7 R vs Micro 25RS + Series 7 R Mono) to justify the price difference ?

I am considering a Goldenote PH7 as a Phono Preamp.

I would need to buy two new speakers too.
I know that a perfect match to Croft products would be Harbeth, but since on the room (of 30m2,36yd2) where all the equipment would be placed (look at picture) I have not a big space on the sides, I would prefer two floorstanding loudspeakers.
My intention is to place all the equipments on a new furniture, that will be placed under the TV (the TV will be fixed to the wall).
As you can see on both sides of the Tv there are two "corridors" and I cannot place big wide speakers there (not talking about cables running in front of the corridors...)

The floorstanding speakers I was thinking were the new Tannoy Precision 6.4, or the KEF R900, Klipsch RF7 II, B&W 683 or CM9...they are the most common around here, but I am open to better solutions and suggestions !
I dont have such a big knowledge regarding brands and or products, so maybe there are way better products that can match Croft Amps than the speakers I listed.

Regarding Hybrid amplifiers ( or valve only) a friend of mine said that is better going with a solid state thing, because they need less "maintenance"...i.e valve changing, etc...
Is that true ?
Is there a downside with a hybrid/valve amps ?
After how much time should the valve be changed ?

Sorry if these questions seems dumb, but I have not a lot of knowledge in this things ! :-(

This technology always intrigued me, I always dreamed about having a valve Amp because it reflect what I like about music reproduction....analogic sound to me is a lot more warm and true...dont know how to explain.

Thank you very much !
Best of all
Aris

[The Black Adder]

Hi Aris.

I use the Croft 7R with the Micro 25 pre. They drive Tannoy Monitor Golds. I have to say that they are a very good match imo. The version I have of the 7R is built to suit higher sensitive speakers. Great thing is that Glenn can make the amp suit your speakers too so although standard 7R's may favor the likes of Harbeth etc it's always a good to get the amp matched as much as possible to the speakers you are driving.

Another great thing about croft stuff is that the matching (to a good degree) is also tweekable by yourself through swapping just one valve (ECC82).

[hifi_dave]

So many questions.

Croft has always made great value amps and they are reliable. They will work with your chosen speakers and also Harbeth. Harbeth speakers work in small, cramped spaces better than many floor stand speakers.

The Croft 25RS and 7R monos are the current top of the range and do sound significantly better than the next rung down. It would be pretty dumb if there was no difference when spending more money.

The tubes in the Croft pres and power amps should last many years and are inexpensive. So, you needn't worry about changing them when necessary.

The phono stages in Croft pres are excellent. If you want to run a MC, you can add a step up like the Albarry MC11 or Puresound T10.

[Gibo69]

Hello and thanks for the inputs !

@hifi-dave Obviously the top of the line will sound better, I expressed myself in a wrong way...I wanted to ask, if to fully enjoy the overall quality of these components they deserve the other components of the chain (speakers, turntables,cables) to be at the same level (..expensive wise..)
Do make sense going with these components if I have a 500-1000£ speakers set ?...but I presume that as bad the other components will be, they will sound better anyway compared to the *lower* products, is that right ?

You say Croft Amps will work with the speakers that I will eventually buy, and as Black Adder suggested, I can ask Glenn to modify the Amps to suit my speakers, so I presume that it is best to choose the speakers first and then go for the Amps.
What you think ?

Could it happen that if I listen to a speaker at a dealer, when I will use it with another Amp will sound diffrent ?

[Firebottle]

Hello Aris,
With quality amplifiers the difference is going to be a lot less than that caused by different rooms.
If at all possible try to audition any speakers in your own listening room.

A reputable dealer will loan you equipment to try at home.
Good luck,
Alan

[hifi_dave]

Hello and thanks for the inputs !

@hifi-dave Obviously the top of the line will sound better, I expressed myself in a wrong way...I wanted to ask, if to fully enjoy the overall quality of these components they deserve the other components of the chain (speakers, turntables,cables) to be at the same level (..expensive wise..)
Do make sense going with these components if I have a 500-1000£ speakers set ?...but I presume that as bad the other components will be, they will sound better anyway compared to the *lower* products, is that right ?

You say Croft Amps will work with the speakers that I will eventually buy, and as Black Adder suggested, I can ask Glenn to modify the Amps to suit my speakers, so I presume that it is best to choose the speakers first and then go for the Amps.
What you think ?

Could it happen that if I listen to a speaker at a dealer, when I will use it with another Amp will sound diffrent ?

You will certainly hear the difference between the Croft amps but a better pair of speakers with the 25R/7R should sound better than an inferior pair and a 25RS/7R monos. Bear in mind that paying more money on speakers doesn't always guarantee better sound.

It's only with very efficient speakers that you might need the Croft amps gain reduced. So don't worry about that.

[Gibo69]

Thank you very much everybody for the helpful informations.

Ok, so I will first look for a good floorstanding speaker that can be placed near the wall.
Any suggestion about a good starting point in regard of the numbers he should have ? ( power,sensitivity, etc..) ?

Thanks

[Marco]

Hi Aris,

Welcome to AoS :)

You've had good advice so far, which I also agree with, so I won't comment further there. However, with regard to this:


I am considering a Goldenote PH7 as a Phono Preamp.


Save your money and use the superb in-built MM phono stage, included in all Croft preamps, together with an MC 'head amp', such as the superb Albarry, Dave has mentioned, or a quality MC step-up transformer, such as the T10.

In reference to an SUT, you may also wish to consider other types of step-up transformers, should they be an even better match for your chosen cartridge. It's often a good idea to buy both from the same manufacturer, if indeed that is an option, to ensure optimum compatibility. Of course, if you're going for an MM cartridge, then you won't need an SUT.

On that note, what were you thinking of buying, in terms of your vinyl front end (T/T arm and cartridge)? :cool:

Marco.

[julesd68]

I have just started using a Puresound T10 SUT and can vouch for its quality at a relatively low price, if that's the way you want to go Aris ...

If you buy one you will also get Guy Sergeant's superb after-sales service for free! :D

[DSJR]

Rather than needlessly fretting about whether a Croft will drive this and that (a series 7 will drive almost anything that isn't too low an impedance (old Linn squeakers) or too inneficient (Maggies and Apogee panels of old with a 1 ohm load)). Really, all you need to worry about is whether you can deal with the twin volume controls (takes a knack but soon learned) and whether the bluff appearance can be lived with.

Croft amps DO NOT have a "sound" to them these days and as you go up the range, what happens is that the perceived sound-field becomes deeper and wider (not that it's in any way lacking in the basic models, believe me).

Seriously, stop worrying or asking questions that don't really apply. Just see if the visuals and ergonomics can be lived with and buy with confidence. To get better bling, you'll have to spend far more to maintain the performance.

[Gibo69]

Hello everybody and many thanks for good advices.

Marco: a friend of mine like to "revive" old T/T and he said that if I want, I can have an old Thorens that he "revived" and to look for a MC phono input or Pre.
I dont know which parts he mount on that TT.

I have looked at Alberry and might go this way.

DSJR : :o, yes, sorry for all these questions...I like the look of the Crofts..essential...and the twin volume control will not be a problem !

Thanks !

[The Black Adder]

Your welcome, let us know how you get on. :)

[MikeMusic]

Croft has always made great value amps and they are reliable.



Dave
Been meaning to ask you for a while
I assume you know the sound of all the Naim amps very well, possibly back many years.

What Croft would you say edged my Naim 82 and how do they compare as you go up the Naim range ?

[hifi_dave]

Horses for courses.

All the Croft pre-amps are better at the Hi-Fi things we enjoy like, imaging, sound-stage, air and space. The Naim pres do other things.

Any of Croft pres from the Micro 25 should do the trick but given the cost of your system you really should be considering the two box 25 RS.

If you are into vinyl and have a good step-up (which you have), the 25 RS is the one to go for.

[MikeMusic]

Horses for courses.

All the Croft pre-amps are better at the Hi-Fi things we enjoy like, imaging, sound-stage, air and space. The Naim pres do other things.

Any of Croft pres from the Micro 25 should do the trick but given the cost of your system you really should be considering the two box 25 RS.

If you are into vinyl and have a good step-up (which you have), the 25 RS is the one to go for.

Thanks
I'm a way off looking at amps seriously, some months I guess as work takes precedence over having a life
Croft keeps coming up here as being a very good buy so I'm after all the info I can get on them

[hifi_dave]

Click the Croft link on my site for more info on Croft. Includes internal 'porn'..:eyebrows:

[MikeMusic]

Click the Croft link on my site for more info on Croft. Includes internal 'porn'..:eyebrows:

Sounds a good little set up
It's black (my favourite) with silver knobs, available in black ? and a valve jobby
Looks a bit "knocked up in my shed" but I can cope with that if it sounds good
Does it come with a remote ?
What are the 25RS competitors ?

[Marco]

Dave
Been meaning to ask you for a while
I assume you know the sound of all the Naim amps very well, possibly back many years.

What Croft would you say edged my Naim 82 and how do they compare as you go up the Naim range ?

I can answer this too, with some authority, as I've heard most of the preamps in Croft's current range, as well as my own heavily-modded Charisma X, Epochs, Vitas, etc, and have owned a Naim 72, 102, 82 and 52, and so know them intimately and their respective sonic capabilities.

Just finishing off doing a few bits and bobs, but I shall return later to furnish you with my pearls of wisdom! :eyebrows:

Oh, don't forget about ECS, Mike - they *MUST* be on your auditioning list for when you start looking seriously at amps. A Croft 25 RS and a pair of ECS EA1 monoblocks, would be your dream amp combo, me thinks...... ;)

Marco.

[hifi_dave]

Sounds a good little set up
It's black (my favourite) with silver knobs, available in black ? and a valve jobby
Looks a bit "knocked up in my shed" but I can cope with that if it sounds good
Does it come with a remote ?
What are the 25RS competitors ?

1 It is most definitely a "good little set up".

2 yes, any colour you want so long as it's black. Black knobs if you wish.

3 Looks can be deceptive but there is no production line. Internal shots show very careful construction using no PCB's.

4 Sorry, no remote. Helps to keep you fit.

5 "competitors" Now, let me think..:scratch:

[Marco]

Competitors? Lol - not many, at almost any price... Anthony TD's new ground-grid valve preamps may qualify. I'm due to hear one of those soon. I expect it to be stunning :)

Marco.

[DSJR]

Anthony TD's products are bespoke creations and with an "individually hand crafted" price tag to match. Nowt wrong with this at all, but the "one off" production will cost more. Glenn does great things with standard parts and simple, cost effective casework, but I'll tell you this about croft gear, after twenty years of varied use, all that'll need looking at is the valves and possibly the supply caps, although Glenn doesn't stress them as other makers do (Anthony is the same in all fairness, if the two Copper amps he made and mentioned on here are anything to go by :)).

My advice is not to try replacing the 82 and leaving the 555 in place, but to look at a complete amp replacement. Looking at vintage gear, a Krell KRC2 with an FPB300 should be buyable for around five grand easily now. These will easily out-perform any Naim at any price (been there and done it guv'nor), are superbly and very solidly presented and will drive the 'briks with absolute contempt. You'd have to go a VERY LONG WAY to get anything able to drive the 'brik load as well.

One other maker - and playing utterly safe here for risk of controversy - is the Albarry pre and power. Like the Krell, the sonics are tightly disciplined yet extremely clear. Neil's a great chap too (as I remember from a while ago now) and, as well as being a skilled engineer, he listens :)

[Marco]

Hi Dave,


Anthony TD's products are bespoke creations and with an "individually hand crafted" price tag to match. Nowt wrong with this at all, but the "one off" production will cost more.

Not as scary as you might think. I believe that his new grounded grid valve preamp costs around the £1300 mark, but it's line-level only. Still a bargain, though, as I'd expect it to see off pretty much anything else out there.

I'll have the opportunity next week to compare it against my 'race-tuned' Croft, so watch this space for a full report! ;)

Marco.

[DSJR]

:wave:

[Marco]

Lol... Wossat meant to mean?

Marco.

[hifi_dave]

I think he's waving bye, bye as it's dinner time.

[Marco]

Oh I see... He'll be off to partake in devouring a little consommé, followed by filet mignon :)

Marco.

[hifi_dave]

He's more of a Chateaubriand chap. Has the whole thing in a bap with HP sauce..:thumbsup:

[Marco]

Quality :respect:

Marco.

[MikeMusic]

I can answer this too, with some authority, as I've heard most of the preamps in Croft's current range, as well as my own heavily-modded Charisma X, Epochs, Vitas, etc, and have owned a Naim 72, 102, 82 and 52, and so know them intimately and their respective sonic capabilities.

Just finishing off doing a few bits and bobs, but I shall return later to furnish you with my pearls of wisdom! :eyebrows:

Oh, don't forget about ECS, Mike - they *MUST* be on your auditioning list for when you start looking seriously at amps. A Croft 25 RS and a pair of ECS EA1 monoblocks, would be your dream amp combo, me thinks...... ;)

Marco.
Please answer away !
I'll impersonate Prince Charles and Frasier at the same time :)
What are the Charisma X, Epochs and Vitas - Crofts ?
ECS and Croft are on my short list for sure

[MikeMusic]

Competitors? Lol - not many, at almost any price... Anthony TD's new ground-grid valve preamps may qualify. I'm due to hear one of those soon. I expect it to be stunning :)

Marco.
Who is this Anthony TD you speak of ?

[MikeMusic]

Anthony TD's products are bespoke creations and with an "individually hand crafted" price tag to match. Nowt wrong with this at all, but the "one off" production will cost more. Glenn does great things with standard parts and simple, cost effective casework, but I'll tell you this about croft gear, after twenty years of varied use, all that'll need looking at is the valves and possibly the supply caps, although Glenn doesn't stress them as other makers do (Anthony is the same in all fairness, if the two Copper amps he made and mentioned on here are anything to go by :)).

My advice is not to try replacing the 82 and leaving the 555 in place, but to look at a complete amp replacement. Looking at vintage gear, a Krell KRC2 with an FPB300 should be buyable for around five grand easily now. These will easily out-perform any Naim at any price (been there and done it guv'nor), are superbly and very solidly presented and will drive the 'briks with absolute contempt. You'd have to go a VERY LONG WAY to get anything able to drive the 'brik load as well.

One other maker - and playing utterly safe here for risk of controversy - is the Albarry pre and power. Like the Krell, the sonics are tightly disciplined yet extremely clear. Neil's a great chap too (as I remember from a while ago now) and, as well as being a skilled engineer, he listens :)

Thanks
More to the short list then.
I'm working on, hopefully the logical way of starting at the front and moving through the system.
I've twiddled with mains and interconnects and could well continue to do so.
Bought the Isis. Working on the Technics, when I find time and will power, then it's phono stages, Pre amps and it would appear power amps as well

[MikeMusic]

Hi Dave,

Not as scary as you might think. I believe that his new grounded grid valve preamp costs around the £1300 mark, but it's line-level only. Still a bargain, though, as I'd expect it to see off pretty much anything else out there.

I'll have the opportunity next week to compare it against my 'race-tuned' Croft, so watch this space for a full report! ;)

Marco.
Look forward to that !

[hifi_dave]

What are the Charisma X, Epochs and Vitas - Crofts ?




Old style Croft amps. Not always made by him. (long story).

[MikeMusic]

Old style Croft amps. Not always made by him. (long story).

And I assume not readily or easily available so I ignore them ?

[hifi_dave]

From the lips of the man :youtheman: "the new range is better".

[MikeMusic]

From the lips of the man :youtheman: "the new range is better".

and old stuff has a finite life span unless you are prepared to be your own electronics engineer - not me !

[Marco]

From the lips of the man :youtheman: "the new range is better".

Mmm... Well Glenn would say that, wouldn't he? He's hardly likely to say: 'Yes, the old stuff is so much better than the pish I make now...' ;)

He's not entirely wrong in what he says (the new gear is better in *some* ways), but as ever in audio, the answer is not black and white.

Marco.

[hifi_dave]

Sometimes you just have to take someone's words as true. I've known Glenn for thirty years and have total respect for him and his products. If it wasn't so, he would tell me as a long time pal.

Also, as I alluded to, not all of that era of products were made by him, so there is no guarantee of their provenance.

I have used a handful of older Croft pre's quite recently and they aren't quite as clean and open as the corresponding new models. Of course, they can be returned for service and updates.

[Marco]

Hi Dave,

Absolutely, and you know how much I respect Glenn as both a person and an audio designer. However, at the end of the day, it's just one man's opinion, in what is after all a very subjective matter.

Therefore, Glenn proclaiming that his new stuff is better than the old stuff, needs to be put into context, as in better in what way, and using which system as a reference? The new kit may be better to his ears, in the system he's using, but the results could be different for someone else, with different priorities and a different system..... :)

I know exactly how the older Croft preamps differ from the new stuff, sonically, based on extensive practical experience. The problem with the older stuff is that it needs a little work on it to sound *really* good. In stock form, it sounds a bit warm and 'valvey', in comparison with the new stuff, which is definitely 'crisper' and superficially more dynamic sounding.

However, change a few components in the older stuff (Alps Blue volume pot for a DACT, or similar quality, stepped attenuator, is the most major and fundamental component upgrade) and the, for me, unquestionable sonic superiority of the 6SL7 octal tubes, over the rather more 'hi-fi' sounding ECC83s, used in the current kit, shines through. There's a beguiling musicality in the presentation of 6SL7s (especially the best NOS varieties), that no ECC82/83s can match.

Of course, some people will want to buy new and own equipment that's simply 'plug in and play', and so the new gear thus makes most sense, especially when it's undoubtedly superb sounding, but for those who don't mind a bit of judicious tweaking, there are some significant sonic rewards to be had from buying an old (and many are still in superb condition) Vita, Epoch or Charisma, and transforming them into something rather special indeed...

Marco.

[Bluedroog]

superficially more dynamic sounding.

Hi Marco, what do you mean by that? Perhaps on first listen much like brighter speakers can sound exciting in the short term, or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I've never heard any of the old Croft stuff. Cheers.

[Marco]

Hi Christian,

Basically, small signal valves, such as ECC83s, possess an intrinsic sonic signature, which shines through, no matter what circuit they're used in. They have a very 'crisp', 'etched' and 'up front' kind of sound that some people would call 'dynamic', but IMO, that's largely because their somewhat lean tonality makes the mid and top-end falsely projected.

Now, to Glenn's credit, he has largely ameliorated that effect in the design of the new preamps, as they've been voiced in a way which has removed the worst excesses of the effect (and you wouldn't know it was there unless you knew what to look for). However, the sonic performance of a valve preamp will always largely be governed by the tubes it uses, and so ECC83s will always sound like ECC83s, and 6SL7s (IMO, much more musically fluid and organic sounding valves) will always sound like 6SL7s, if you follow me...

Of course, much depends on what kind of sound you're looking for in a valve preamp, and whether you can be arsed buying used gear and modifying it. For many, the latter isn't a viable option :)

Marco.

[Bluedroog]

Good reply, thanks. I haven't extensive experience of different valve pres so only assume I'm following when you describe the sound. I knew when I heard the 25 at demo straight away I wanted it, in some cases instant gratification becomes grating in an attention seeking way but with the 25 I actually liked it more the more I heard. It is quite honest I that respect.

Can't stop thinking about the 'R' now...

Before the 25 I used makeshift pres so the croft was a revelation, the sound almost gained a sense of urgency, more presence and better soundstage.

[Marco]

The other reason you might fancy trying the old gear is because it doesn't come in a boring black box:


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8522/croft1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/croft1.jpg/)


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3673/croft2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/croft2.jpg/)

Oh, look... A stereo volume pot, too - woo hoo!! :)

Marco.

[Busybee330]

Hello Marco

Is there a big difference between the Vita , the Epoch or the Charisma after upgrade ?

Cheers

Bernard

[hifi_dave]

Yes and it depends on the 'upgrade'.

[Marco]

Hi Bernard,


Is there a big difference between the Vita , the Epoch or the Charisma after upgrade ?


As Dave says, yes. The Charisma-X was one of the top preamps in the old range, so will have an advantage over the others. It also depends on what types of upgrades are carried out to each model.

If you're seeking to own a really top-notch preamp, which any of the above has the ability to become, after some sympathetic tweaking, then IMO, one should buy the older models with a view to having a really nice case and a superb circuit, which maximises the sonic benefits of 6SL7s, but that needs some components changed from those originally used, not because they were crap, or rather the best that Glenn could fit, but because, like anything else, the designs were built to a price.

Having gone the upgrading route myself, I can tell you that there are HUGE sonic rewards to be had by carrying out the following modifications:

1) Asking Glenn to convert the 6080 valve regulation to MOSFET and fit an off-board, individually regulated PSU, thus removing the stock internal one. This is an official service that he provides.

2) Upgrading the Alps Blue volume pot for a quality stepped attenuator.

3) Upgrading the coupling and PSU smoothing caps for high-quality polypropylene (or teflon film) types, as opposed to the Jensen electrolytics, used in the original circuit.

4) Upgrading the stock Russian 6SL7s output tubes, and Yugoslavian Ei-branded ECC83 (the latter used in the PSU section), for some truly high-quality NOS varieties, such as RCA VT229s ('premium quality' military-grade 6SL7 types) and Mullard CV4035s ('premium quality' military-grade ECC83/12AX7 types), respectively.

That lot will cost approximately £700-800 in parts, not including labour for anyone doing the work, but if you've got a friend who's good with a soldering iron, or can do the work yourself, then the cost for labour will be minimised.

Given that one can buy used Charismas, Epochs, etc, for around the same amount as the above, then for under £2k, you'll have a preamp that can compete with, and in some cases outperform, high-end designs up to £10k - I kid you not! The rewards are definitely there for those who have the motivation to put in the effort... ;)

Oh, and as I mentioned earlier, the other major advantage of modifying a Vita, Epoch or Charisma, is that they all use STEREO volume pots, so there's no messing around with Glenn's (controversially favourable) dual-mono pots, which are so universally disliked!! :exactly:

Marco.

[DSJR]

Do you want the preamp to sonicaly alter the signal fed it, or do you want the output to faithfully track the input, just buffer and amplify it? It's a serious question, this, because SO many valvey preamps revered in certain quarters definitely process the signal passing through them (vintage CJ and ARC especially to name but two). I feel the current Crofts are quite benign and any upgrading to their refinement comes more from the power supplies in the first instance - IMO

[Marco]

Absolutely, Dave - you're spot on :)

Let me make it absolutely clear that the resultant effect of the above upgrades succeeds in making the Croft preamps in question more 'transparent', and thus more accurate. Indeed, the effect can also be measured, as Anthony TD has measured my preamp, using all the usual parameters selected when making his own designs, and his comments were that it was the most accurate (and quiet) valve preamp he'd ever measured, rivalling in that respect, his own solid-state Soul Mate designs!

So what does that tell you? And that's been achieved without affecting, one iota, the inherent easy-going 'musicality', present in all Croft designs. Basically, fitting more sonically accurate components, simply allows you to hear more of the (excellent) hard-wired circuit. Therefore, judiciously modifying older Croft designs is a MASSIVE 'win-win'.... :eek:

I doubt I'll ever change from using my modded Charisma-X, simply because the modifications I've carried out have transformed it into something very special indeed, to be loved and cherished and used to make wonderful sounding music.

Marco.

[Busybee330]

Quite instructive . Thank you all .

[basnas]

Hi
But what about the micro 25RS, it use 12bh7a. I think this tube is mutch more musical insted of the ecc83.

[hifi_dave]

It is a truly excellent pre-amp by any standards. Put it in a fancy case and triple the price.

[DSJR]

The 25RS DOESN'T initially sound "different" at all to me and my old ears, BUT..... After a few minutes though, I just find the whole experience of enjoying the music a little easier, things far back in the mix just that little bit easier to follow, and this with less than state-of-the-art sources too ;) It creeps up on you in a way that may or may not be measurable, but once experenced, you'd be hard put to live without it - SO BE WARNED!!!!! :lol:

[jon1]

The 25RS DOESN'T initially sound "different" at all to me and my old ears, BUT..... After a few minutes though, I just find the whole experience of enjoying the music a little easier, things far back in the mix just that little bit easier to follow, and this with less than state-of-the-art sources too ;) It creeps up on you in a way that may or may not be measurable, but once experenced, you'd be hard put to live without it - SO BE WARNED!!!!! :lol:


+1;)



jon

[kidhoward]

Thank you very much everybody for the helpful informations.

Ok, so I will first look for a good floorstanding speaker that can be placed near the wall.
Any suggestion about a good starting point in regard of the numbers he should have ? ( power,sensitivity, etc..) ?

Thanks

Look at Larsen HIFI. His speakers are ment to be placed as close as you can put them to the wall. I was surprised when I have heard them. Excelent sound.

http://www.larsenhifi.com/en/index.htm