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Eremite
16-11-2012, 13:51
My last house move left me with a loudspeaker problem; my Quad ESL-63’s really wouldn’t fit properly into the room in which they had to be. I’ve lived with the problem for a while and have jigged and rejigged their position, but it simply hasn’t been working out. So, time to bite the bullet and look for replacements. :eek:

I’ve been looking around t’interweb (including lurking here and at other hi-fi forums) for quite a while trying to pick up ideas of where to start looking; it’s been a while since I had a serious look for any new kit and the audio landscape is just as confusing as it ever was. But I did pick up on a consistent theme that Quad exiles should take a listen to Harbeth speakers. So I have been.

Since space is the main issue forcing this change, I thought I’d work my way up the size range starting from the smallest and stop when I got to something that satisfied. So, I got in touch with the local dealer (Audio Republic in Leeds) and arranged to audition the shoebox sized P3ESR. After very diplomatically suggesting that I might be setting my sights too small, they kindly lent me a pair to try for a couple of weeks at home. I’m not sure quite what I was expecting to hear from such a small pair of speakers, but what I did hear amazed me; extraordinarily good clarity, musicality & stereo imaging. They were also remarkably good off axis and at low volume for late night don’t-disturb-the-children listening. When the audition time was up, I really didn’t want to let go of them; they really are lovely little things!

But they weren’t the right thing for my main listening room; in the end, lack of low end extension removed them from consideration. Now don’t get me wrong, what they had in the bass they handled very well – but there simply wasn’t enough for me in that listening space. They would be perfect for a small listening room; maybe someday I’ll find an excuse for getting a pair for a second system!

So on to the recently introduced Monitor 30.1. These are a 2012 update to the Monitor 30 series which appears to have been going for donkey’s years as an LS5/9 replacement. This was more like it; the same musicality as the P3s, almost a “sweetness” of sound that I could listen to for hours on end. But this time, plenty of well controlled bass. So, to cut a long story short, my quest for ESL-63 replacements was quicker and easier than I thought it would be – the order for a pair of 30.1s has gone in. Perhaps I should have tried a few different speakers from different brands – but I found that what I was listening to was perfectly satisfying; if I had found beauty, why go on?

So, for any other ESL owner finding themselves lacking space, do not despair; there is life after ESL! :)

Tim
16-11-2012, 14:23
Nice one Simon, I spent quite a few years sporadically visiting my local hi-fi dealer in Poole listening to speakers, but never got inspired enough to change my Monitor Audio GR60's, which I really didn't like that much either. The first time I heard Harbeth I stopped looking and that's it for me, the final destination.

I too listen a lot off-axis, in fact I enjoy it and as you say they really do excel at low volume, this is common across the range, mind you I have not heard the 40's but no doubt that will be no different. The Harbeth sound is there throughout the range, you just get more of the same as you go up in size, or at least when I listened to them that was the case.

Musical little devils aren't they and you can (I do) listen to them for hours and hours and hours :)

Eremite
16-11-2012, 14:36
Musical little devils aren't they and you can (I do) listen to them for hours and hours and hours :)

This is the thing, I found myself wondering how one could improve on what I was hearing...hm, not the thing to say in a hi-fi forum...:popcorn:

Tim
16-11-2012, 15:06
Well I don't think about that anymore, I'm content where I am and just enjoy the music ;)

IHP
16-11-2012, 18:00
Hi Simon,

I too am a huge fan of the P3ESR, and in my 12 x 12 (feet) listening room they are just superb. I've heard though not owned ESL 57s and 63s and do feel there is a degree of electrostatic quality to them. I've heard the larger ones too, stunning. What amplification do you use ?

Cheers, Ian.

Eremite
16-11-2012, 18:17
What amplification do you use ?


Hi Ian,

Quad 66/606 combination (supplied by Meridian 200/263 CD+DAC). When I was thinking of replacing the ESLs I wondered about having a complete clearout and starting again. But the helpful advice I've received here steered me away from doing that! Sometime soon, I'll be popping down to Huntingdon to have the amps serviced.

cheers,

Simon.

DSJR
16-11-2012, 23:21
The 30.1's are my favourite, because my little room can't take the extra drive and extension of the free breathing SHL5's. The bass notes are there on the 30.1's, just lower in level, that's all, so I don't feel one is losing out on anything. I wasn't even using Something Solid stands with them either :eek: They're so close, albeit better, than the LS5/9's I'm custodian of I'm happy with what I have for the office system..

I really hope you continue to fall under the 30.1 spell. Not at all bland, none of their models annihilate inappropriate sources and amps - in my opinion of course, but they can be fine tuned accordingly should you desire :)

The Black Adder
20-11-2012, 08:28
My olde SHL5's were very nice sounding speakers.. Might be too big though?

DSJR
20-11-2012, 08:43
I tamed the HL5's I once owned with a couple of small cushion-inners added inside, one under the port tube and the other up behind the tweeter, the lower part of the bass unit able to "see" the port. They sounded wonderful after (Alan Shaw wasn't disapproving) but the size and subsequent lack of waf didn't allow me to use them.