New Speakers. Almost wetting myself with excitement

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

After a couple of months of scouting around for speakers to replace my Usher 6381s I've finally bought a pair. Best thing of all is I've bought my dream speakers. The very speakers I've lusted after for a few years but thought were beyond my financial wherewithal. Thanks to a cracking deal that was just too good to refuse I will soon have a massive pair of Usher Be10s in my listening room.

My remit was a pair of big, impressive speakers that had to look good and sound superb. The Ushers tick all the boxes.

I am now almost past myself with excitement waiting for them to arrive. I thought it would be only one more sleep but thanks to the useless banking system it could be four or five sleeps before Christmas arrives early.

And I just want to say a big thank you to Scott (Daytona 600) for trying his hardest to get a deal for me. I'm sorry I didn't end up buying from him as he's a top fella and certainly knows his stuff.

Right, how can I calm down and quell this childlike excitement?

[julesd68]

OMG - those are monsters! Congratulations!!

What amp are you going to drive them with?

[synsei]

Congratulations Harry, I know that feeling well. Enjoy it mate, after all it takes one back to Christmas past: Eyes like saucers starring at the base of the Christmas tree that is exploding with brightly wrapped packages... ;)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

OMG - those are monsters! Congratulations!!

What amp are you going to drive them with?

I thought I'd use four instead of one ;-)

They are monsters. But not as big as the Be20 which some lucky bugger on here has. No names mentioned Martin.

[MartinT]

At least yours are in the country! I had to wait for my Be20s to ship from Taiwan. Imagine how I was climbing the walls for six weeks :eek:

I promise you, Harry, they will be worth the wait :)

[Reid Malenfant]

At least yours are in the country! I had to wait for my Be20s to ship from Taiwan. Imagine how I was climbing the walls for six weeks :eek:

I promise you, Harry, they will be worth the wait :)
Ah, but the exercise did you good Martin :rfl:


Enjoy your new speakers when you get them Harry :)

[Floyddroid]

Harry, it's very likely that you will have paid in gold bullion so it may take the bank a while to get it sorted. I would love to hear those bounders. Are you using Sizewell B to drive them? massive congrats sir. very jelous. However, i is only a pleb.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Harry, it's very likely that you will have paid in gold bullion so it may take the bank a while to get it sorted. I would love to hear those bounders. Are you using Sizewell B to drive them? massive congrats sir. very jelous. However, i is only a pleb.

Hi Steve. Well, you're only down the road so you are more than welcome to have a listen once they've had about 200 hours to run in. Wouldn't want you to be disappointed ;-)

You're very welcome any time in fact. I'm leaving my current Ushers in situ until the new ones are really singing.

I'm using 4x150w monos to power them. Hopefully it'll do the trick.

[MartinT]

I'm using 4x150w monos to power them. Hopefully it'll do the trick.

That should do nicely. I have 350W per channel at my disposal, but the Chord doesn't even break into a sweat.

[daytona600]

I,m driving my Be10s with 150wpc valve 300b & 900wpc SolidState & 9wpc 2a3c
they like a lot of power & control Fantastic real world speakers the big ushers
Enjoy them harry once they are run in

[MartinT]

I forgot you have Be10s, Scott. What provides the 900Wpc solid state?

We're forming a nice little Usher owner's club here ;)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

That should do nicely. I have 350W per channel at my disposal, but the Chord doesn't even break into a sweat.

I hope so. Long term I want a pair of Cyrus X300s. I do love Chord stuff though. You're obviously a man of impeccable taste.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

We're forming a nice little Usher owner's club here ;)

It was love at first sight and sound with me and Ushers. I'm surprised more people don't have them. Lots of people haven't even heard of Usher.

Scott, there are few people who spend as much time listening to music as me. They'll soon be run in.

Sadly any excitement that was left I'd now gone. Just frustration, anxiety and worry.

I'm just desperate to hear that they're on the way. This is like a form of torture.

[Floyddroid]

I might just take you up on that Harry. In Cheadle Hulme all next week but i will contact you soon to arrange a visit. say hi to Mrs B for me. i don't see her these days.

[Marco]

Right, how can I calm down and quell this childlike excitement?

Nothing that a quick sammy-hank won't cure... :D

Enjoy yer new speaks, dude. I can almost feel your excitement from here!! :eyebrows:

Marco.

[julesd68]

In Cheadle Hulme all next week

OMG - I used to live there when a teenager!
Hated it, sod all to do there ...:(

[daytona600]

I forgot you have Be10s, Scott. What provides the 900Wpc solid state?

We're forming a nice little Usher owner's club here ;)

this is the amp i use martin sander sound system magtech
500wpc 8ohms 900wpc 4ohms 1600wpc 2ohms
will drive a piece of wet string
Output stage is rated @ 7,000watts over 100amps & 80volts
sledgehammer of a amp with a lifetime warranty
can send you one to try martin or two for bi-amping
or they make a mono version with 2,000wpc

SANDERS MAGTECH STEREO POWER & MONOBLOCK AMPLFIERS




MAGTECH is a power amplfier designed specifically to drive electrostatic speakers
and other very difficult Loads including Planar & conventional magnetic speakers
The magnetic speaker differ from electrostatic speakers in a fundamental aspect , they require very high amonts of current and power

Magtech power amplifiers feature a fully regulated power supply for very high stable power outputs under all loads and conditions
Sanders has developed a voltage regulator which is essentially 100% efficient. There is no heat from the voltage regulator.
No switching high power / high voltage that generates heat or RF problems. Very small power consumption allows the Magtech to run
virtually stone cold and be left constantly powered without the worry of large power consumption.
The power amplifier uses advanced technolgy capable of driving the most difficult loads without protection circuits that degrade sound quality

The Magtech is the only amplfier in the market that has a linear voltage regulation . The result is a compact but powerful amplfier
that is ideally suited to drive the most difficult loads down to 1/3 rd of a ohm.
Magnetic , Electrostatic & Planar speakers can be driven with effortless power to give true lifelike dynamics and power

Stereo 500wpc 8ohms
900wpc 4ohms

[julesd68]

Nothing that a quick sammy-hank won't cure... :D

:rfl: As long as you don't get your vinyl sticky ..

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Marco, the excitement was massive but now it's gone to be replaced by a load of stress. I'm just desperate for a text, phone call or something to tell me they're on the way.

Steve, I'll pass on my regards if I see her. TBH there's about as much chance you bumping into her. Bloody tough job with very long hours.

[Tarzan]

Congrats H enjoy them and course we will require pictures and a blog...............:)

[MartinT]

this is the amp i use martin sander sound system magtech
500wpc 8ohms 900wpc 4ohms 1600wpc 2ohms
will drive a piece of wet string
Output stage is rated @ 7,000watts over 100amps & 80volts

What are they? Pro, semi-pro? Seems like huge power for the average hi-fi system. What do they cost?

[Mr. C]

Power is nothing without control :)

Wrms are meaningless figures, if the amplifier cannot display transient current response and a fast switching (below 30ns would be ideal) to match.

For example the Chord SP1200E outputs a rated 350wrms, delivers a powerful, clean upfront and dynamic sound.

A genuine 50Wrms of class A solid would typically have more current than the Chord, sound far sweeter, much greater depth and texture and more engaging, yet would not possibly match it's dynamic presentation or detail.

Which is better, only the listener can decide, my point here is simple, having Terra watts of power does not necessarily give you instant sound quality.

Matching amplifier and speaker impedance is also important after room / speaker interface issues have been addressed.

Sometimes more is not always better.

Tony

[MartinT]

For example the Chord SP1200E outputs a rated 350wrms, delivers a powerful, clean upfront and dynamic sound.

Totally agree, Tony. The thing is, Chord seems to have an undeserved reputation for bright/glary/harsh. My 1200E is nothing like that! I think it speaks volumes for partnering equipment. The Chord just does the power and transparency thing very well indeed.

And to keep it on topic, the Chord powers my Ushers exceedingly well, as it did my previous JM Lab Mezzos.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Congrats H enjoy them and course we will require pictures and a blog...............:)

If I don't end up dead with the stress I'll definitely do that.

[daytona600]

What are they? Pro, semi-pro? Seems like huge power for the average hi-fi system. What do they cost?

TAS absolute sound recommended component three years running martin
designed for sanders model 10c speakers and other extreme loads
10c speakers have a digital crossover bi-amped with 2 of these magtechs 2x900wpc stunning system

price £3,200

http://scottnangle.co.uk/sanders_sound_20.html

http://www.sanderssoundsystems.com/downloads/TAS-Magtech.pdf

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7453

This is a picture of some very large boxes on a pallet. Inside is another piece in the jigsaw of audio heaven. Unfortunately this large consignment is hundreds of miles away from me and there's no way that I can get my grubby hands on my Usher BE10s.

If it wasn't for the shit banking system (yes, the one we own) these beauties would be on their way to me. Unfortunately they'll be stuck in a warehouse until the money clears.

This is torture.

[jandl100]

My sincere sympathies, Harry. But I am sure that waiting is good for the soul ... assuming you have one. :D

I'm waiting for my next silver disc spinner to arrive, the seller doesn't seem to be in any rush at all to get it packed up and on its way .... :unfair:

[Floyddroid]

:peace:Yes mate. I don't envy her. After thirty years in the health service i'm getting out. I am really sad but it's making me misarable. Going to work in the private sector. it will give me more time to spend writing and reviewing for me website. We really must meet up. I still fancy sorting a bake off. The landlord of my second home (The Causeway) would be happy for me to have it there. Speak soon.

Steve

[MartinT]

I'm waiting for my next silver disc spinner to arrive

What'll that be, Jerry?

[Tarzan]

If I don't end up dead with the stress I'll definitely do that.



Are they there yet?

[Audioman]

7453

This is a picture of some very large boxes on a pallet. Inside is another piece in the jigsaw of audio heaven. Unfortunately this large consignment is hundreds of miles away from me and there's no way that I can get my grubby hands on my Usher BE10s.

If it wasn't for the shit banking system (yes, the one we own) these beauties would be on their way to me. Unfortunately they'll be stuck in a warehouse until the money clears.

This is torture.

Transfer cash into your current account and pay by debit card. You then can have it instantly. Did it for a car that cost more than those speakers and sellers prefer it as they get instant money!

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Well done on having a car that cost more than my speakers ;-)

Then again you don't know how much they cost so perhaps you actually have an electric toaster or some curling tongs that also cost more :-)

As you'll have gathered by now, I'm a bit of a funny bugger and this is how I like to do it: I always try to have a bike (pedal) that costs more than my car and I like to have a pair of speakers that cost more than my best bike (I have several). For most people this would be relatively easy but its a bit tougher for me as my No1 race bike cost about £8,000. In total my bike fleet probably stacks up to £40k. I mention this not to get into a cock waving contest against your expensive car, but to enlighten you to my dire financial circumstances. See, I didn't have a massive amount of cash in my current account or savings account as I've wasted the equivalent of the national debt of Greece on exotic pedal cycles, Hifi, fine wines, Columbian marching powder and high class whores. So there you go.

As for paying by debit card that would have been a rather silly thing to do. Whereas a credit card gives the buyer complete protection should speakers not turn up, arrive damaged or perhaps aren't as described, a debit card offers no such protection.

As you've offered me such worthy financial advice, perhaps you'd allow me to offer you some. Can I suggest you sell the expensive car and use the proceeds to buy some very nice speakers. Make sure you pay by credit card.
Kind regards
Harry

[Macca]

fine wines, Columbian marching powder and high class whores.

This was during the Mandelson years, presumably...

[jon1]

Well done on having a car that cost more than my speakers ;-)

Then again you don't know how much they cost so perhaps you actually have an electric toaster or some curling tongs that also cost more :-)

As you'll have gathered by now, I'm a bit of a funny bugger and this is how I like to do it: I always try to have a bike (pedal) that costs more than my car and I like to have a pair of speakers that cost more than my best bike (I have several). For most people this would be relatively easy but its a bit tougher for me as my No1 race bike cost about £8,000. In total my bike fleet probably stacks up to £40k. I mention this not to get into a cock waving contest against your expensive car, but to enlighten you to my dire financial circumstances. See, I didn't have a massive amount of cash in my current account or savings account as I've wasted the equivalent of the national debt of Greece on exotic pedal cycles, Hifi, fine wines, Columbian marching powder and high class whores. So there you go.

As for paying by debit card that would have been a rather silly thing to do. Whereas a credit card gives the buyer complete protection should speakers not turn up, arrive damaged or perhaps aren't as described, a debit card offers no such protection.

As you've offered me such worthy financial advice, perhaps you'd allow me to offer you some. Can I suggest you sell the expensive car and use the proceeds to buy some very nice speakers. Make sure you pay by credit card.
Kind regards
Harry


Enjoy them harry;)..when you get them:)BTW each to there owen..And you got a bargin you say?:cool:



jon

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

This was during the Mandelson years, presumably...

Oh no. During my Mandy period it was Guacamole (aka mushy peas) Kettle Chips (long story) and lemons (even longer story). I like to live a little these days.

[jandl100]

What'll that be, Jerry?

I'll report in my Gallery system blog thread once it is suitably enthroned in my system. :)

[Macca]

I'll report in my Gallery system blog thread once it is suitably enthroned in my system. :)

Is it a Monarch then?:eyebrows:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Are they there yet?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Audioman]

Well done on having a car that cost more than my speakers ;-)

Then again you don't know how much they cost so perhaps you actually have an electric toaster or some curling tongs that also cost more :-)

As you'll have gathered by now, I'm a bit of a funny bugger and this is how I like to do it: I always try to have a bike (pedal) that costs more than my car and I like to have a pair of speakers that cost more than my best bike (I have several). For most people this would be relatively easy but its a bit tougher for me as my No1 race bike cost about £8,000. In total my bike fleet probably stacks up to £40k. I mention this not to get into a cock waving contest against your expensive car, but to enlighten you to my dire financial circumstances. See, I didn't have a massive amount of cash in my current account or savings account as I've wasted the equivalent of the national debt of Greece on exotic pedal cycles, Hifi, fine wines, Columbian marching powder and high class whores. So there you go.

As for paying by debit card that would have been a rather silly thing to do. Whereas a credit card gives the buyer complete protection should speakers not turn up, arrive damaged or perhaps aren't as described, a debit card offers no such protection.

As you've offered me such worthy financial advice, perhaps you'd allow me to offer you some. Can I suggest you sell the expensive car and use the proceeds to buy some very nice speakers. Make sure you pay by credit card.
Kind regards
Harry

Harry.

Actualy rather different cicumstances as the the payment I was refering to was a straight handover with a large reputable company. Obviously I was under the assumption you where dealing direct with a known reputable party otherwise I would not have suggested this course of action. I normaly would only pay for such an item on pick up or delivery from a trusted source. Also Credit cards have limits (usualy less than the retail value of your speakers) while no limit on debit card if you actualy have the dosh (which I assumed you would have) for a luxury purchase.

Frankly I don't know where you got the idea that there was implied critic in you having more expensive hi-fi than your car. Frankly I'm not bothered how you spend your money. I certainly was not Willy Waving as I'm sure you are not over these fantastic speakers. Just suggesting a possible means of illiminating your frustrating wait.

Of course if you pay someone a cheque or money transfer and wait for it to clear they can always pocket the money and not send you the goods - which is why I would never use this method for other than a very small ebay transaction. So obviously I was assuming you purchased these via official sources rather than desperate of Nigeria as there can't be many about boxed outside the official import/dealer network. Anyway obviously not practical advice in your circumstances but many congratulations on your purchase and hope you get years of listening pleasure from these.

Paul.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Paul, I was taught many years ago by my dear old mam, never to make assumptions. Your last two posts are littered with them

To avoid you having to make any more. Allow me to make a few points/clarifications.

1. My speakers could not be coming from a more reputable source.

2. You say credit cards have limits that are usually less than my speakers. This raises two more assumptions: firstly that you know how much I'm paying for my speakers and secondly you know how much a limit might be on my credit card. FYI I have two cards and the limit on both is considerably higher than the price of the speakers.

3. You assumed I had the dosh. Don't know why. I think I fall under the asset rich, cash poor umbrella.

4. I wasn't aware you had implied I had a more expensive Hifi than my car.

5. You seem to have gotten it into your head that I have bought these speakers off the back of lorry or from some other nefarious source. I can't for the life of me think where you got that impression from. Another assumption? Apologies if I have posted anything that would bring you to that conclusion.

6. Thank you for enlightening me on the risks of paying my cheque or money transfer. I can only presume you assumed that I didn't already know that.

So there you go. Can I politely suggest that you quit while you're behind?

And here's a little quote I learnt a while ago that pretty much explains why assumptions are dangerous.

"It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it is a nail."

If there's anything further you'd like to know about my hifi, cars, bikes, credit limits, depressing financial state, erectile dysfunction or sense of humour feel free to ask as it saves on sweeping assumptions.

Cheers.
Harry

[The Grand Wazoo]

OK, I think this particular line of discussion ought to be brought to a close now chaps. I can see this going bad if we don't draw a line here, so let's keep this thread on the subject of the speakers from here onwards, shall we?

[Marco]

Indeed - play nice now, chaps!

Marco.

[Reid Malenfant]

I can only imagine how the waiting is getting to you Harry, well actually I can :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting to find some time to build my own new speakers & you can take it from me that they will be the last set of speakers that I'll ever own :)

Kind of annoying as I'd love to be listening to them right now, the stress does ease after a few months though :rfl: I have literally got everything here ready, I just need time :doh:


Hope you get them soon fella!

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

I tried to console myself by looking at picture of the boxes. Didn't work. Went for a three hour bike ride. Didn't work. Guess we're just big kids eh?

[Reid Malenfant]

You do realise that sitting on a hifi forum is obviously going to make you think of them?

:lol:

The bike ride was probably a good idea, at least you got a tad fitter :eyebrows:

[Tarzan]

Are they there yet?:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Are they there yet?:)

Short answer: no.

Banking system don't work Saturday or Sunday. Best I can hope is that they'll go on lorry tomorrow. Tuesday hopefully.

I'm hoping these will be the last speakers I ever buy. Can't go through this again.

[realysm42]

I feel your pain/excitement man; when I got my M-dac on order and had to wait two months for it I was dying!

I'm happy for you, I know how gratifying it is when something you're so excited about is heading your way; congratulations in advance :cool:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Two months. Oh lord.

[MartinT]

You'll be just fine, Harry. All the best things in life are worth waiting for.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Martin, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that money has cleared and my babies will be on their way today.

[Tarzan]

Are they there yet?:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

No. And I'm now getting a bit concerned. Don't even know if they've left.

[MartinT]

It's been less than a day, Harry. Patience!

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Patience is a virtue apparently. What a load of bollocks.

[daytona600]

Have you ordered the lead shot yet harry. To mass damp the cabinets
take off the name plate at the bottom & fill with shot in a sack/sturdy bag
firms up the bass end. Good isolation platforms work very well as well

Why not engrave the name plate with your name as well
if your feeling Fit you can borrow mine , till yours turn up
Should fit in the back of your disco
if you can get them down two flights of stairs , with the shot well over 100kgs
each

[lewis]

Patience is a virtue apparently. What a load of bollocks.

Have you seen 'The terminal', starring Tom Hanks?
If you haven't, try to watch it, that will show you the meaning of patience!

"I will wait!" :)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Have you ordered the lead shot yet harry. To mass damp the cabinets
take off the name plate at the bottom & fill with shot in a sack/sturdy bag
firms up the bass end. Good isolation platforms work very well as well

Why not engrave the name plate with your name as well
if your feeling Fit you can borrow mine , till yours turn up
Should fit in the back of your disco
if you can get them down two flights of stairs , with the shot well over 100kgs
each

I need to get my hands on the buggers before I start thinking lead shot. But yes I'm sure ill go down that route.

How much do I need and where do I get it from?

The engraving idea really appeals to me. I might put left and right on them.

[jon1]

.

T
he engraving idea really appeals to me. I might put left and right on them.


Well harry you have to keep the job right:D

[daytona600]

cant remember how much i used harry , good couple of kilos from a local ironmongers.
from memory something like - finest canadian lead shot very fine stuff almost granular powder used the supplied plastic bag it came with

Almost cracked my floorboards

heavy duty symposium isolation platforms & don,t forget the supertweeters

[MartinT]

As I said earlier, I put 30kg of recycled yacht ballast (lead shot) into each speaker.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Martin, I'm presuming the cavities are smaller on BE10s?

Do you have a concrete floor?

[MartinT]

No idea, and yes I have a concrete floor and am using the provided cones.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

My floor is wooden. Might be an issue.

Bigger issue is actually getting the speakers.

[MartinT]

You could try cone cups, or even big coins at a push.

[Tarzan]

Anything yet?;)

[brian2957]

You're making him worse Andy :lol:

[synsei]

Harry is probably out on a hill somewhere with a mighty pair of binos looking for signs in the sky... :D

[brian2957]

Gotta feel for the guy :lol: I think we'll all breath a huge sigh of relief when they arrive.

[Tarzan]

Only joking, in a way maybe helps take his mind off it, come to think of it l would be the same.

[brian2957]

Yup , me too Andy , so I can sympatise with him.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Jesus. This is mental torture. Still no sign. Frustration has turned to concern.

[hifi_dave]

I've completely lost the plot with this thread..:scratch:

Would you please tell me when they were paid for and where are they coming from ? I can then follow the action and anguish.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Hi Dave,

They were paid for last Wednesday.

They are coming from about 200 miles away.

Does that help?

[hifi_dave]

Thanks for that. I couldn't quite work out what happened.

If they were paid for last Wednesday and they are in the UK, shouldn't they be with you by now ?

I use UPS for my deliveries and they are next day but if the load exceeds their limits, I would use a man-with-a-van. In that case, delivery would be the same day.

By the way, I feel your pain. I can't bear waiting for goodies.

[MartinT]

My speakers arrived as a van-with-three-men, from the distributor in Scotland!

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Dave,

They are in the UK which is precisely why it's so frustrating that they're taking so long.

They are coming on a pallet. Palletline I'm told.

The whole thing is doing my box in.

[Tarzan]

Shit! l thought they were still overseas:doh:

[hifi_dave]

Dave,

They are in the UK which is precisely why it's so frustrating that they're taking so long.

They are coming on a pallet. Palletline I'm told.

The whole thing is doing my box in.

Do you know if they have actually been dispatched yet ? The sender should know where they are to put your mind at rest.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Dave, shoulds, coulds, woulds, ifs, buts and maybes. Life is never straightforward. You're a Hifi dealer. Everything always go smoothly?

[Audio Al]

If it was me buying the speakers
I would have hired a small van for the day and pick them up myself ,
more-so with the value involved

8 hours max for the round trip

Hope you get them soon safe and sound

[hifi_dave]

Dave, shoulds, coulds, woulds, ifs, buts and maybes. Life is never straightforward. You're a Hifi dealer. Everything always go smoothly?

No, not everything goes smoothly but if I'd sent out a pair of speakers, I would know where they are and when they will be delivered.

I was only trying to help.

[Alex_UK]

Palletline I'm told.

You're getting them from PALLESTINE! :eek:

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/truck483.jpg

No wonder you're worried! Oh, hang on you said PALLETLINE - sorry, my mistake! ;) - as you were, I'm sure it will be fine!

(Sorry Harry, couldn't resist! :lol:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

No need to apologise Alex. That's very funny.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

No, not everything goes smoothly but if I'd sent out a pair of speakers, I would know where they are and when they will be delivered.

I was only trying to help.

Hi Dave, I know you're trying to help so no problem there.

As far as I'm able to establish. They are waiting to be picked up.

[jandl100]

As far as I'm able to establish. They are waiting to be picked up.

Errr .... that doesn't sound right to me. :scratch:
I'd be inclined to ask them wtf is going on, politely at first .....

[jandl100]

.... your payment for them has gone thru OK?

[John]

I would speak to them and demand to know what is happening, you paid a lot of money for these speakers so they should go that extra mile for you

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

.... your payment for them has gone thru OK?

Yes.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

I would speak to them and demand to know what is happening, you paid a lot of money for these speakers so they should go that extra mile for you

I've done that. I'm finding it hard to strike a balance between being an over anxious pest and being too laid back.

Just sent a text that was much firmer than previous ones.

I'm starting to get annoyed now. It's becoming quite a saga.

They say the best things in life are worth waiting for . . .

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Errr .... that doesn't sound right to me. :scratch:
I'd be inclined to ask them wtf is going on, politely at first .....

That's what I was told yesterday lunchtime. Seems they had not yet been booked in for collection by courier.

Way it works (I'm told) is that local agent collects pallet and takes it to central hub. They try to get full loads before lorry heads off to another hub. That seems to make sense.

All I want are some definite answers. I'm actually quite amazed at how polite and patient I've been. Neither is a quality I'm noted for.

My patience is certainly running out . . . .

[jandl100]

Sounds like they are trying to save a few pennies on the shipping.
A standard courier should get these to you next day.
Sounds like piss poor customer service to me.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Jerry, things are tough so I think most businesses are trying to cut costs where they can.

I'm trying to see it as yin-yang. I got an incredible deal on speakers that I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. Guess the wait either adds or subtracts from the experience.

It's nice that others are sharing my pain.

If/when they arrive I guess the joy, excitement and relief will be an incredible experience to be treasured forever.

And I mustn't lose sight of how incredibly lucky I am to be upgrading g my system with such incredible top end speakers.

Right, that's enough peace, love and understanding for today. Now where are my feckin speakers?

[StanleyB]

Palletline has misplaced a big parcel of mine as well. It was supposed to have been delivered last Thursday. The supplier is sending a replacement today for delivery tomorrow.

[Audioman]

Jerry, things are tough so I think most businesses are trying to cut costs where they can.

I'm trying to see it as yin-yang. I got an incredible deal on speakers that I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. Guess the wait either adds or subtracts from the experience.

It's nice that others are sharing my pain.

If/when they arrive I guess the joy, excitement and relief will be an incredible experience to be treasured forever.

And I mustn't lose sight of how incredibly lucky I am to be upgrading g my system with such incredible top end speakers.

Right, that's enough peace, love and understanding for today. Now where are my feckin speakers?

Harry. The fact that you got a substantial discount on these speakers is no excuse for them using a 'budget' delivery service. They should at least use a courier that provides tracking over the net so you can check on progress without having to ring them up. I have found this is provided with relatively cheap items from online sellers.

BTW. A review I read stated these need a team of 2 people to unpack them so I hope they are providing this (fat chance) or you have assistance on hand when they arrive.

Paul.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Paul, the fact they are so big and heavy means they have to come on a very large pallet with a total weight of about 200kg. Not every company can move something like that although I agree that the lack of information had been bad.

The good news is that my two sons are both over 6ft and very strong, sporty lads. I will be giving them instructions and woe betide them if anything goes wrong.

This is turning out to be quite a saga.

[synsei]

I really do sympathise Harry. On the one hand you are willing them to arrive with every fibre of your being and on the other you want to rip someone's heart out because they are not there. I agree with Jerry, for an item of such value there really ought to be a tracking facility. I hope they turn up soon mate ;)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Palletline has misplaced a big parcel of mine as well. It was supposed to have been delivered last Thursday. The supplier is sending a replacement today for delivery tomorrow.

Stanley. Did you have a tracking number.

See folks things do go wrong.

[Clive]

Not meaning to worry anyone but big (expensive) parcels getting "misplaced".....

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Not meaning to worry anyone but big (expensive) parcels getting "misplaced".....

Well, you've certainly got me worried.

Not that I wasn't already.

[Macca]

Next day pallet delivery, mainland UK and up to 200 kilo should cost no more than a ton plus VAT. That's fully tracked. They can't be saving themselves that much money by using this crappy service. Very odd.

[julesd68]

The good news is that my two sons are both over 6ft and very strong, sporty lads. I will be giving them instructions and woe betide them if anything goes wrong.

Morelike woe betide the supplier if anything goes wrong! :eek:

[Tarzan]

Any news yet H?

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7494

Speaker saga update: this is a photograph of my speakers being loaded onto the back of a lorry. I suppose that's progress.

[Clive]

That must be a relief! I hope the lorry is going in the right direction...

[keiths]

That must be a relief! I hope the lorry is going in the right direction...

Sure it says Timbuktu on that address label...

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

That looks to me like a small lorry. My guess is its taking it to a central hub. Knowing my luck one of the following will happen

1. The lorry will be held up by Usher rustlers

2. We will have a foot of snow tomorrow.

3. The consignment will be in the central hub for a week.

4. That picture was taken on Nigeria by the man I recently agreed to help with a large financial transaction.

5. Some bastard on this forum is a dab hand with Photoshop.

Surely there's no chance they could just arrive without a hitch?

[phoenixpete]

They look upside down in your picture?

I hope they are ok like that?

[Beechwoods]

Be careful posting pics with your address on a public forum like this. It could be taken as an invitation to anyone viewing it to pop round in the middle of the night...

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

They look upside down in your picture?

I hope they are ok like that?

Not as much as I do.

I think the manufacturer recommends having them upside down to attach the bases. Martin will know. He has the BE20s (jammy bar steward)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Be careful posting pics with your address on a public forum like this. It could be taken as an invitation to anyone viewing it to pop round in the middle of the night...

Yeah I thought about that. If they get over the moat, there's three dogs to avoid and according to David Cameron I'm perfectly at liberty to shoot people now. And then there's the wife . . .

I'm not sure 95kg speakers would interest burglars that much

[Marco]

Yes, but don't forget, that anyone breaking in might find the dungeon with all your, erm, 'toys' in it... :eyebrows:

Marco.

[MartinT]

Harry - mine were inverted entirely while in the packaging in order to attach the bases and then spikes/cones. We then carefully dropped them on their sides in order to roughly set them in their positions.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Harry - mine were inverted entirely while in the packaging in order to attach the bases and then spikes/cones. We then carefully dropped them on their sides in order to roughly set them in their positions.

Cheers Martin. That is precisely the method I've been advised to use. It makes sense.

So, if I ever get them I know what to do.

[MartinT]

I've kept my packaging & boxes in the garage. Frankly, moving house scares the shit out of me because of the Be-20s, but at least I can render them safe to move that way. In fact, I keep all my hi-fi equipment boxes.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Here we go. Another day of wishing, hoping, praying, waiting etc etc etc

[synsei]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp2U3AeS4fckPD54byShzQuszl9rwON CiZFYcFvgBNgu9ZHrzH5Q

[Tarzan]

Are they there yet?

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Are they there yet?

What do you think?



Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MartinT]

Stoppit, Andy :lol:

[realysm42]

Tbh, if they had come, I wouldn't expect you to be sitting here typing about it ;)

[Mika K]

Come on, the best entertainment you can ask for despite you might be the next when buying some new toy and you know who's laughing then.. :D

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Tbh, if they had come, I wouldn't expect you to be sitting here typing about it ;)

Correct. But I do intent to eventually write about the whole experience with lots of pictures.

We bought our first house for not much more than RRP of these. I'm going to savour every moment.

If they ever come . . .

[Marco]

Matey, I think it's likely you'll 'come' before they do! :D

Marco.

[Alex_UK]

The Pallestine truck driver took an unauthorised detour - but don't worry, they're being fished out and they'll be as good as new after a few hours with a hairdrier... ;)

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[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Matey, I think it's likely you'll 'come' before they do! :D

Marco.

Yes, for the 19th time . . . . . . . . and that's just today.

[Tarzan]

Stoppit, Andy :lol:

Sorry, just my sense of humour:)

Plus l am not the only one:ner:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

It's a bit like gallows humour now.

I've almost given up of ever seeing them TBH.

Nearly 5pm so they're not going to come today are they?

[chelsea]

Don't understand why you have not been told what company are delivering them.

[Marco]

Word has it, they're being delivered by the Hell's Angels.

Marco.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Don't understand why you have not been told what company are delivering them.

If they're not here by tomorrow tea time. I'm going to be doing some very serious kicking off.

[MartinT]

...so all this was just preamble? :rolleyes:

[jandl100]

The Pallestine truck driver took an unauthorised detour - but don't worry, they're being fished out and they'll be as good as new after a few hours with a hairdrier... ;)

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfXxAH2BXRFamLuyrfxs8YDd4rmhLXx s6KfPOllbL1CFcT8xmH

:rfl:

Oh dear - I haven't laughed so much in quite some time.
Sorry. :o

[Tarzan]

Are they there yet?

[Tarzan]

Sorry- feeling your pain actually.

[jandl100]

Are they there yet?

... you must have been a very difficult child, Andy.

I feel your parents' pain! :lol:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Here we go fellas. Another day of stress, anticipation and no doubt terrible disappointment at the end of it.

If they don't come today then its going to be an awful weekend.

I'm told they're in transit.
I've been sent a picture of boxes with my address on them
I have asked for a tracking number and supplier has said he will ring Pallestine Trucking co
I've taken dogs for hour walk on beach to try to take my mind off things
Not sure what else I can do.

Patience. Don't give me feckin patience. It's all gone.

But seriously fellas, thanks for sharing my pain. It has actually helped.

[Tarzan]

Here we go fellas. Another day of stress, anticipation and no doubt terrible disappointment at the end of it.

If they don't come today then its going to be an awful weekend.

I'm told they're in transit.
I've been sent a picture of boxes with my address on them
I have asked for a tracking number and supplier has said he will ring Pallestine Trucking co
I've taken dogs for hour walk on beach to try to take my mind off things
Not sure what else I can do.

Patience. Don't give me feckin patience. It's all gone.

But seriously fellas, thanks for sharing my pain. It has actually helped.

Glad to be of service H, hope they come today mate- walking dogs on the beach for an hour, now that is my idea of heaven:)

Jerry- l just didn't like long car journeys:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Andy. House is about a mile from a fantastic beach. Sea views from bedrooms and nearest neighbour is about 800 yards away. Splendid isolation.

But everyone for miles around is going to hear these bloody speakers . . . . If I ever get them of course.

[julesd68]

Sounds absolutely idyllic Harry ...

[Ali Tait]

Worry not mate, you'll be laughing about it this time next week when you're sitting listening to your lovely new speakers.

[Marco]

Indeedy.... :exactly:

Marco.

[Tarzan]

Andy. House is about a mile from a fantastic beach. Sea views from bedrooms and nearest neighbour is about 800 yards away. Splendid isolation.

But everyone for miles around is going to hear these bloody speakers . . . . If I ever get them of course.

You're worried about speakers?

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Right now my only worry is getting them into the house

WAAAAAHEEEEEEEYYYYYTY!!!!!!!!!!7512

[chris@panteg]

You could do with a pallet truck or a couple of Russian female shotputters , good luck with it .

[RobbieGong]

HAPPY DAYS Ahead :D !! (Just be careful to not put ya back out while your at it ) :)

[Ali Tait]

Good news, get grafting!

[MartinT]

Wahay! Now you can relax and have some fun :)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7513

Upside down BE10s with yours truly fixing on the bases

7514

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7515

Base. Maple. Lovely finish.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7516

The old and the new. The BE10s alongside my Usher 6381s

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7517

Thank God the wife is at work.

[Audio Al]

The old and the new. The BE10s alongside my Usher 6381s

Now you have another problem , them old 6381 are now in the way , I could pop over and give you some room back , you know sort of get them out of the way for you :lol:

The new ones look very stylish love the choice of wood finish ,

Have fun for the next ?? amount of years :D

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

They're roughly in position. First CD is on. Nils Lofgren Live. God they're incredible straight out of the boxes. Lord knows how they'll perform in a few hundred hours time. Wow just feckin wow.

The wait is over. I'm now in audio heaven.

[Yomanze]

Lovely looking speakers & was getting worried for you. I don't understand why more manufacturers go for time-aligned drivers it really makes a big difference to imaging & soundstage.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7518

Oh Lordy.

[MartinT]

Brings back memories of setting mine up. Lovely finish, as they all are.

They look a bit diddy to me, though :eek: :lol:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Yeah, Dainty little things Martin. Took no lifting at all.

[Alex_UK]

Very pleased for you Harry. Although secretly I was looking forward to a little more teasing, though I wouldn't have wanted you keeling over with a coronary on my conscience so probably for the best! ;)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Cheers Alex. There is however an unforeseen problem.

[Audio Al]

There is however an unforeseen problem.


:eek::eek::eek: Noooooooo :eek::eek::eek:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

You did say you wanted more teasing.

[Audio Al]

You did say you wanted more teasing.

OK OK you got me :lol::lol::lol:

[Alex_UK]

There is however an unforeseen problem.

:doh:

What, pray tell?

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Bought latest BE10 DMD. Diamond tweeter. Got old model BE10 with Beryllium tweeter.

They sound incredible. But at end of day they're not what I agreed to buy.

Good job I paid by credit card ;-)

[MartinT]

I've not heard the DMD model, but those Beryllium tweeters will take some beating.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Martin I'm sure you're right. But I'm a bit peeved. I did get an incredible deal but they were advertised as latest DMD model. Not sure what to do at moment. Waiting for response from supplier.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Giving them some punishment with Floyd's Animals. My God they are something special.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Pretty much in perfect position. Not sure how much toe in these need compared to my other Ushers. Resisting the temptation to put spikes on until they're spot on.

[MartinT]

Mine are toed in to almost, but not quite, face me in my central position. The cones make a big difference - try them!

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Martin, that was how my other Ushers were toed in. Been moving them bit by bit and I think I'm about there. Same cones as the old Ushers as well.

Running in, cones and lead shot. I find it hard to believe they can sound better. I've almost forgotten they're not the ones I bought.

[RobbieGong]

Re: Tweeters - I know how you feel, Nothing worse than not getting EXACTLY what you thought you were getting :steam: Fantastic speakers all the same. Hope it all works out with the supplier and that they dont try anything ie: small print :eek:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Robert, I'm just enjoying them and not getting too concerned about the tweeters. Considering how bloody impressive they are and what I paid for them I'm not going to sweat over it.

Everything I've listened to has sounded incredible. It's going to be a late night.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

7522

Looking good?

[Busybee330]

Harry , could you confirm that "Diamond DMD" is not written below the tweeter ?

i didn't know that they had different version of the BE-10 :rolleyes:

Well I should have waited another 5 mins !! I just saw a picture with "Beryllium" written under the tweeter . Sorry

[RobbieGong]

Robert, I'm just enjoying them and not getting too concerned about the tweeters. Considering how bloody impressive they are and what I paid for them I'm not going to sweat over it.

Everything I've listened to has sounded incredible. It's going to be a late night.

Too right !! They look awesome and I'm in no doubt they sound it too :)

[julesd68]

If you decide to keep them and they are not what you ordered, would you not be entitled to some kind of discount? :eyebrows:

[sq225917]

Who did you buy them from, I'm genuinely curious.

[MartinT]

Looking very nice indeed, Harry.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Who did you buy them from, I'm genuinely curious.

I bet you are ;-)

I've given my word that I'm not telling anyone where from or how much. Sorry but if I give my word . . .

Lets just say they were the bargain of a lifetime.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Looking very nice indeed, Harry.

Thanks Martin. Cones now on. Sounding stunning.

I couldn't be more pleased.

[Tarzan]

What they are here? How did l miss that:steam:


Seiosly H enjoy:rave::gig::band:,


So, when does the blog start:lol:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Are they here? They've got about eight hours on the clock already.

BLOG? Where does it go, how do I do it, what do people want to know?

[John]

Looking great I am sure adding the lead shot and spikes will help more

[jandl100]

Well done, Harry.

I'm very pleased for you that they turned up :thumbsup: ---- the Be / Diamond thing ---- :scratch: tricky.

Based on the technical issues that other companies have had when swapping to a diamond tweeter (e.g. B&W), I suspect the two Usher models are very different speakers - B&W apparently had to totally revamp the x-over to get the diamond tweeter version of their Nautilus speakers to sound good.

If you lurv the sound of the ones you have, going diamond may or may not be a good move. I bet it's quite a different presentation. A tricky one.

[MartinT]

BLOG? Where does it go, how do I do it, what do people want to know?

Start a thread in the Gallery area of AoS with that nice piccy of your speakers and some other system photos. You can then use it as a blog, as many of us do, to continue updating us with system changes and findings.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Thanks Martin. I like the sound of that. Not sure that my system will find favour with many on here as its all Cyrus. Regarded as a boutique brand I think.

But it sounds great. Can't wait to switch it on today and continue running in my new babies.

[chris@panteg]

Thanks Martin. I like the sound of that. Not sure that my system will find favour with many on here as its all Cyrus. Regarded as a boutique brand I think.

But it sounds great. Can't wait to switch it on today and continue running in my new babies.

I used to have a Cyrus 2 with psx , many years ago , what do the latest ones sound like ? Presentation and tonal character etc .

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Chris, I've had some reasonable stuff but nothing really top end. Compared to my r previous Yamaha 2000 components set up, my Cyrus kit is in a different league. The CD transport in particular is superb. The Mono X power amps are brilliant as well but I drive them hard and the fans get on my tits when they cut in and I hear them between tracks. When I get x300s that should sort it.

A lot of people think Cyrus stuff is too bright. It's certainly on bright side so needs very careful matching.

It sounds too clinical with a lot of speakers I've heard.

[chris@panteg]

Chris, I've had some reasonable stuff but nothing really top end. Compared to my r previous Yamaha 2000 components set up, my Cyrus kit is in a different league. The CD transport in particular is superb. The Mono X power amps are brilliant as well but I drive them hard and the fans get on my tits when they cut in and I hear them between tracks. When I get x300s that should sort it.

A lot of people think Cyrus stuff is too bright. It's certainly on bright side so needs very careful matching.

It sounds too clinical with a lot of speakers I've heard.

Thanks Harry , that's how I remember mine , so they haven't changed all that much then ? I remember the Cyrus solid core helped tone it down a little , I'm pleased it's working for you though ! I had the option of a 6a as a replacement for my dead Cambridge but went for a Marantz lite instead .

Your ushers are a thing of beauty ! Not just a hifi speaker but a lovely site to behold .

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Thing of beauty? There is a certain person in my house wouldn't agree. What is wrong with these people (women)?

[Folkboy]

7517
How's your back after all that lifiting?

[falcoron]

Thanks Martin. I like the sound of that. Not sure that my system will find favour with many on here as its all Cyrus. Regarded as a boutique brand I think.

But it sounds great. Can't wait to switch it on today and continue running in my new babies.

If you like the cyrus stuff thats all that matters but cant help thinking how good they would be on a big valve amp. OMG! you should try and get a loaner with a bit of power and see how it goes. read somewhere the Ushers are very valve freindly

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

How's your back after all that lifiting?

My two sons took most of the credit. My back is never good. Old war wound. I don't like to talk about it.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

If you like the cyrus stuff thats all that matters but cant help thinking how good they would be on a big valve amp. OMG! you should try and get a loaner with a bit of power and see how it goes. read somewhere the Ushers are very valve freindly

I've never heard a valve system. Never heard valves at all but I'd love to.

In a nutshell, what's the attraction?

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Listening to Floyd. Welcome to the machine. Never heard bass like it. Scared the shit out of me. Seemed like the whole house was shaking. Gad to turn volume down. I really was concerned. These things are truly epic.

[Firebottle]

This is a totally personal viewpoint, so if you think I'm barmy, c'est la vie.

As the electrons course there way through an SS amplifier they have plenty of other atoms/electrons to impede their progress and upset the flow.
In valves there are no atoms to impede the electron flow so it's got to be better.

A well designed valve stage has vanishingly low levels of distortion.
:cool: Alan

[jon1]

I've never heard a valve system. Never heard valves at all but I'd love to.

In a nutshell, what's the attraction?



Harry You are welcome to listen to some Glenn crofts pre and monblocs ;)



jon

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Jon, I'd love to. You in Great Ayton I seem to recall? Shall I carry my Ushers down?

[RobbieGong]

Jon, I'd love to. You in Great Ayton I seem to recall? Shall I carry my Ushers down?

:lol:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

:lol:

Might not be able to manage when the lead shot goes in

[hornucopia]

Be careful posting pics with your address on a public forum like this. It could be taken as an invitation to anyone viewing it to pop round in the middle of the night...

I'd usually agree, but it seems to say 'County Durham', and, while I am familiar with the area, your average baddy would stand oot a mile, hinny!:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

I'm at the rough end.

[MartinT]

read somewhere the Ushers are very valve freindly

They are, but they are also very transistor friendly. They do need power and control, though. Don't be thinking that single-ended or other low power amps will do.

[jon1]

Jon, I'd love to. You in Great Ayton I seem to recall? Shall I carry my Ushers down?



Please do harry:D..Have you got a transit van to carry them in?:eyebrows:


jon

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

One of my bikes Jon. I'll have to make two trips though.

[MartinT]

As the electrons course there way through an SS amplifier they have plenty of other atoms/electrons to impede their progress and upset the flow.
In valves there are no atoms to impede the electron flow so it's got to be better.

Not sure that analogy holds water there, Alan. Remember also that valves are essentially voltage amplifiers, while transistors are current amplifiers. Different active components, different topologies to make them work well.

[Barry]

This is a totally personal viewpoint, so if you think I'm barmy, c'est la vie.

As the electrons course there way through an SS amplifier they have plenty of other atoms/electrons to impede their progress and upset the flow.
In valves there are no atoms to impede the electron flow so it's got to be better.

A well designed valve stage has vanishingly low levels of distortion.
:cool: Alan

Just as they do in any conductor. :rolleyes:

[jon1]

One of my bikes Jon. I'll have to make two trips though.


Crogge the speakers nice one:D


jon

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Is it crogge or croggy?

[jon1]

Is it crogge or croggy?

who knows harry just get them on the crossbar:D


jon

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

I'm listening to 'Melt' off Leftfield's Leftism and I actually feel quite emotional. The sound is just sublime. Incredible bass, a soundstage that I didn't think was possible and amazing detail.

In some ways I think the wait and the anguish had made it even more rewarding.

God, I'm pleased. Pleased beyond feckin delighted to be honest.

[brian2957]

Very good place to be Harry . This hobby is character building ( when its not driving you mad ) sometimes. :eyebrows:

[MartinT]

Pleased for you, Harry.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Pleased for you, Harry.

Martin, it was mainly down to your experiences with the BE20s that I decided to go the whole hog (almost).

I expected to be pleased with them but they are better than I could have wished for in my wildest dreams.

Hour walk on a deserted beach with dogs now done, I might treat myself to a full English breakfast before I fire the system up and see how many hours listening I can get away with today.

[Puffin]

I have very much enjoyed this thread, from the anticipation....through to the "final countdown" and then delivery. The tension was palpable. It has been great to share in the pleasure of a new acquisition, more so as Harry is clearly delighted with them.

I found a review of these on the Hifi World site by David Price. Here is his conclusion :-


CONCLUSION

It is amazing how many high end speakers are so obviously flawed. Glorious flaws they may be; indeed some people even buy them because of these ‘quirks’; but imperfections they remain. The thing about the Usher Be-10s is that - to my ears at least - they are mostly flawless. They are exceptionally open and expansive, whilst being uncoloured to a degree than makes your average electrostatic sound like a pair of disco speakers. After a protracted run-in and a thirty minute warm up every day they work brilliantly with all sorts of music, always drawing one's attention to the innate goodness of the recording rather than its faults. They’re superb at capturing the essence of recording, as well as giving you chapter and verse about the fine detail. They’re generally dizzyingly fast and dynamic, yet never need be used solely for these purposes - you can kick back with some late night classic jazz and relax

Read the full review here :-

http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/loudspeakers/65-reviews/250-usher-be-10.html?start=2

But does Harry agree?

[Macca]

[I][B]CONCLUSION

, whilst being uncoloured to a degree than makes your average electrostatic sound like a pair of disco speakers.

Some classic 'Pricey' hyperbole there.

Or is it...?

[julesd68]

A question for Harry, Martin T and any other Usher owners - have you owned any Ushers further down the range which offer a good taste of the BE-10 & 20 at a more affordable price point? :eyebrows:

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Hi Julian, I've had a pair of Usher 6381s for a couple of years. I love them so much that I can't bear to part with them. They are brilliant for the money.

But for all that I was very, very happy with the 6381s I knew that the BE10s would be a lot better. They're actually more than a lot better.

I'd put Usher speakers up against any speaker in the same price bracket. Build quality is out of this world on both my pairs with a finish that you'd expect on a grand piano. Value for money is second to none.

I think you'd struggle to find a bad review of any Usher speakers.

Yeah. I like Ushers. I've just spent a hell of a lot of money on a second pair. And I couldnt be more pleased with them. I felt the same when i got my 6381s. I think that says it all.

[julesd68]

Well I would love to try Ushers and Tannoys at some point - something like 6381's and Turnberrys would be fun to compare ...

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Julian, I know of some pristine 6371s that are coming onto the market soon. Custom colour cabinets and only about 1,000 hours use

[MartinT]

Martin, it was mainly down to your experiences with the BE20s that I decided to go the whole hog (almost).

Well, I'm glad you're happy with them. I think Usher are almost one of the best kept secrets in Hi-Fi.

[MartinT]

Julian, I have a mate with a pair of the smaller Usher Dancers and they definitely have that magic openness in the midrange that the beryllium drivers provide.

If you want to hear what the big ones can do, get ye to Basingstoke and find out for yourself :)

[Audioman]

Harry.

Just caught up with this thread. Congrats on the speakers they look superb. If you got such a big discount it may explain why the old model but it is not good that you were mislead to believe they were the diamonds. Frankly I would be surprised that your 'secret' deal would be available if not end of line or ex dem. However if you were misled you do legaly have some come back.

Since you use Cyrus it may be a blessing. I have heard many comments that the B&W diamond tweeters are worse than the previous model ( too bright). Just maybe by good fortune you have better synergy. Do agree these deserve a high end class A or valve amp preferably with a vinyl based front end. However have not heard Cyrus for years, so though unfashionable on forums I'm sure their top stuff sounds great. Frankly always put off by the need for the additional power supplies to get the best sound.

Paul.

[daytona600]

A question for Harry, Martin T and any other Usher owners - have you owned any Ushers further down the range which offer a good taste of the BE-10 & 20 at a more affordable price point? :eyebrows:

mini dancer twos , are just small be10s but seven grand cheaper

review http://www.audiofast.com/pdfs/Usher%20Mini%20Two.pdf

[zygote23]

http://www.jordanacoustics.co.uk/used-equipment.html

Nice Walnut pair of these beasts for shy of 7K

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

http://www.jordanacoustics.co.uk/used-equipment.html

Nice Walnut pair of these beasts for shy of 7K

Great buy for someone with that sort of money. About £5k saving.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

I'll do an update in my blog but here's a mini update five days in.

Just listening to some Peter Gabriel and I'm quite stunned at how good they are. Incredible deep soundstage and a three-dinensional presentation that makes the speakers all but disappear. Considering how friggin big they are that's amazing. Bass is controlled and powerful and the mid range, especially on female vocals is sublime. The treble has a way to go yet but it's already pretty sweet.

Put it this way, if I'd paid two or three times the amount I paid got the speakers I'd still be ecstatic about my purchase.

Honestly, if you are looking for big floorstanders and have the budget and you don't consider Ushers you really are missing a trick.

It's times like this I really appreciate living in a detached house without neighbours.

[MartinT]

To add my thoughts to Harry's...

My Usher Be-20s are without doubt the best hi-fi purchase of my life, and might be the last speakers I'll ever buy. They are incredibly detailed without sacrificing the whole for the parts, and they are one of the most dynamic speakers I have ever heard. The deep bass is about as extended as a REL Studio II, serious praise (I know as I used to have one) and important for my musical tastes. The soundstage is wide and deep and the combination of berryllium midrange and tweeter creates a palpable and very vivid sense of live instruments in their acoustic space with simply fabulous microdynamics. It excels at those cues that tell you that a thing is real.

Moreover, they always remain musical, rhythm and PRaT being foremost in their presentation. They are fast without being bleeding edge.

What still amazes me is that they keep responding so well to system upgrades, with no limit that I have yet discovered. Every time I change so much as a cable they just reproduce the change for better or worse. They are essentially as near neutral transducers as I had ever hoped to own, a wide open window on what my system feeds them with.

The Absolute Sound called them a 'Musical Comprehension Machine' and I think that's as good a description as I could muster. To quote their conclusion:


I feel confident in saying that the Be-20 offers terrific value for money, exhibiting two qualities most music lovers prize. The speakers retrieve sufficiently deep levels of musical information to fully engage our minds, while at the same time conveying the more vibrant, emotive, soulful elements of music in ways that will surely win our hearts. In short, the Be-20s are wonderful machines that foster deeper comprehension of music - in all its aspects.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

That's a ringing endorsement Martin and I can't ever see me needing or wanting to.

I'm listening to Donald Fagan ATM and the sound is just so natural and if the speakers weren't so big, beautiful and imposing I wouldn't notice them in the room.

I've also experimented standing and sitting in various parts of the room and its an amazing effect as the sound fills the room like its sand that's been tipped in and is filling every corner and nook and cranny.

On the subject of sand, I'm on day 11 now so I'd guess they've got about 50 hours on the clock. But I'm itching to fill those cavities but I'm not sure whether to rein myself in until they've done about 200 hours or do it now. I'm also unsure whether sand will be as good as lead shot. I know Martin went for lead but what are the advantages and is there anything else I could consider?

I'm grateful for any thoughts although it seems ridiculous to think that these speakers can be improved further.

Harry

[MartinT]

I used 60kg (30kg in each speaker) recycled lead shot for yacht keels as it was the cheapest I could find. Getting it all into the compartments required some use of a 90 degree drain pipe and much patience.

Well worth doing, but a bit of a pain.

[MikeMusic]

I used 60kg (30kg in each speaker) recycled lead shot for yacht keels as it was the cheapest I could find. Getting it all into the compartments required some use of a 90 degree drain pipe and much patience.

Well worth doing, but a bit of a pain.

I think you should compare with sand
Shouldn't be too much of a problem
:)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Martin, do you recall where you got it from and how much. Bet price has rocketed.

[MartinT]

Sorry, I can't find any reference to them now. Companies like this should do it:
http://www.nfmetals.com/Lead_LeadShot.html

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Thanks Martin, I've sent an enquiry email to a company a bit closer. That lot have just the stuff but the postage from Seattle might be a bit pricey.

[Audioman]

Harry.

Have you considered these (Atabites) as a filler.

http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Atacama-Atabites-Speaker-Stands-Filler/product_293

Paul.

[MartinT]

That lot have just the stuff but the postage from Seattle might be a bit pricey.

Oops, yes, was just giving you an example.

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

Now you tell me . . . :-)

[isuckedmandelsonslemons]

By way of an update . . . I'm listening to Avalon (Roxy Music) and the thing I'm noticing more and more about these speakers is the staggering soundstage. It really is as good as I've ever heard.

Sitting in my normal listening position I'm finding myself with the feeling that the music is actually coming out of the walls and filling the room. No way is the music coming OUT of the speakers.

I'm also more and more pleased with the smoothness if the top end. The speakers are definitely running in nicely.

Oh, and did I mention they look stunning?

MartinT said his Usher BE20s are his best ever hifi purchase and who am I to argue? Same here.