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Here they are being cooked............
Hope he likes them :)
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twickers
15-10-2012, 20:22
Here they are being cooked............
Hope he likes them :)
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Cooked? er what's that
Burned in at an accelerated rate.
twickers
15-10-2012, 20:39
Thanks martin. I assume that the long burn-in period that other members have mentioned won't apply in this case?
It should help reduce the time.
Reid Malenfant
15-10-2012, 20:57
I find gas mark 9 for half an hour tends to cook things very fast indeed :)
:rfl:
brian2957
15-10-2012, 20:59
Wrapped in tin foil Mark ? :lol:
Reid Malenfant
15-10-2012, 21:01
Wrapped in tin foil Mark ? :lol:
Well it does help lessen any dessication :D
Here they are being cooked............
Hope he likes them :)
Cheers Dave, I'm sure I will :D
Could I be a pain? If you happen to have any TQ Blue offcuts, could I grab a couple. Will need about 4 inches in length per side ;)
twickers
15-10-2012, 21:16
I suppose if you cooked the TQ blues long enough you'll end up with a pair of TQ blacks.
I suppose if you cooked the TQ blues long enough you'll end up with a pair of TQ blacks.
:rfl:
icehockeyboy
15-10-2012, 22:07
Cheers Dave, I'm sure I will :D
Could I be a pain? If you happen to have any TQ Blue offcuts, could I grab a couple. Will need about 4 inches in length per side ;)
Yeh, they're called jumpers and sell at around £50 a set! :)
Ah, but I won't be using them as jumpers which should help adjust their value :lol:
brian2957
16-10-2012, 06:33
Hope you like these Dave . Please keep us posted.
Hope you like these Dave . Please keep us posted.
You betcha! ;)
I suppose if you cooked the TQ blues long enough you'll end up with a pair of TQ blacks.
TQ Buggered more like :lol:
TQ Buggered more like :lol:
the burn in machine cannot damage the cables no matter how long they are left on :)
Audio Al
16-10-2012, 11:03
If they work as well as they look your on a winner Dave :)
The TQ Blue speaker cables arrived this morning and I hooked them up about an hour ago with not a little excitement. My initial feeling, to my utmost surprise, is one of disappointment :scratch:
Gone is the glorious openness the Belkin's convey with such consummate ease. The top end has lost all it's sparkle, mids are a little muffled in comparison and bass control, where on earth did that go? So far I have listened to Anne Bisson's Blue Mind and Nils Lofgren, Acoustic Live and all the fun has gone completely from these recordings, they sound somewhat bland and uninvolving. All the subtle details of these recordings have got lost in the mix somewhere. Guitar notes have lost their edge and there is no body to their tone. I'm lost for words actually because I was so convinced the TQ Blues's were going to be such a big step up from the Belkin's. I can't quite believe I'm back to listening to my system rather than the music. I really hope they just need a little longer to bed in... :eyebrows:
I'm going to leave them in the system for a week and then switch back to the Belkin's. If things haven't improved by then they will be going back... :eyebrows:
p.s. The piano on the track Believe from Acoustic Live is horribly harsh and is actually distorting, there is also a harshness to Anne Bisson's voice which just isn't there with the Belkins. :stalks:
Could it perhaps be some sort of compatibility issue between the cables and the Mini-T? What I am hearing isn't subtle...
My experience is that big differences like this in the sound of speaker cables is a result of a mis-match between power amp and 'speakers. Otherwise cable changes only result in subtle changes or sometimes in no difference at all. For some reason this mis-match was not showing up with the Belkin leads. Ah well - you can always go back to the Belkin if nothing improves.
icehockeyboy
19-10-2012, 12:45
I am totally stunned and surprised by your findings!
Especially as the machine supposedly burnt them in.
I would urge you to keep running them non stop in your system and see what they are like in say a weeks time.
I see they were terminated, now, according to Frank (Effem ) he said that even the Tellurium Z plugs took something away from the party, it may be that?
Mind you, as they're not yours yet you can't remove the plugs, so I don't know what to suggest.
All I will say is give it a bit of time and keep us updated!
Total surprise here too, having owned both of the aforementioned cables myself :scratch:
Check that you have the cables wired up with the correct polarity, but I assume that being terminated by David they have some identification on them - bare wired without plugs you can all too easily connect them up wrong.
I am utterly stunned to be honest, I was expecting so much more considering others have said they sounded right straight out of the box. Ah well, they have a week to shape up or they will be getting the boot..
Total surprise here too, having owned both of the aforementioned cables myself :scratch:
Check that you have the cables wired up with the correct polarity, but I assume that being terminated by David they have some identification on them - bare wired without plugs you can all too easily connect them up wrong.
I was so surprised Frank that I thought that too but polarity is aok... :scratch:
Surprising results!
Not heard the blue's but the blacks are superb.
Frank prefers the blues so I'm guessing the cables are good?
My Blacks took WEEKS to finally settle down to what they finally sounded like, so maybe burn-in with the machine isn't as good as actually playing them?
Just a theory though.
My money is on the T-Amp not getting on with them, it can happen.
I have a T-Amp, but not tried it with the Blacks.
brian2957
19-10-2012, 15:38
Sounds like they need further burning in mate . I 'm currently using Rega Quattro speaker cable ( 3.20 / metre ) and the little Amptastic is singing with them into Rega EL8s .
Ammonite Audio
19-10-2012, 16:07
Interesting observations - I am tempted to try some of these TQ cables but maybe I should just remain happy with my Belkins (which were totally crap when new but utterly transformed once run in).
My TQ Blacks wee'ed over the Belkins, would have thought the blue's would have too?
Odd findings, but there you go.
I think more burn in is needed personally. :scratch:
wee tee cee
19-10-2012, 17:59
I run black in my system and regard it as fit and forget. I ran black on my treble with blue on my bass when bi amping with two mini t. The difference was noticeable swapping between blue/ black and the treble/bass.
I noticed the black to be very revealing and honest, the blue was like black with the speaker grills on.The blue was more laid back and warm. I have a set of the excellent belkin cables installed in the garage, having tried them in various configurations I found them to enhance the frequency extremes. Horses for courses the more I experiment the more I realise system synergy is unique to each set up/room/set of ears.
Trust your ears if the blue doesn't work for your set up they will for someone else...pass them on and benefit from the experience......
I would give them the week though...my son chopped my blue run in two and bi amps with a couple of mini t, they really do something right together.
After further listening I've noticed a slight lack of weight to bass notes and a loss of focus to the soundstage. Transients are smoothed off and drum skins sound as if they are being struck in a half-hearted manner. It might be helpful if any members also using the Blue's with a T-Amp could post their thoughts? I realise it is early days yet but I am developing even more respect for the Belkins as time goes on. My head is telling me to keep the Blues in the system for a week to see what develops whilst my heart is wondering who the hell took the music away. Time will tell I suppose :eyebrows:
One saving grace is that the TQ Blues are a substantially lighter build than the Belkins therefore they don't play Tug 'O' War with the super light Mini-T :lol:
twickers
19-10-2012, 18:25
Did you have the same problem when you first used the belkins?
Nope, they were pretty much okay straight out of the box although they got so much better after a week or so...
Dave l tried th TQ Blacks with my Sensation ( T-amp) and had no compatability problems, and believe me they sounded anything but thin or harsh, but incredibly smooth and very full, they sounded awesome, but not very interesting,but l only had them a week and sent them back, l really should try them again for a longer period........................................
Dave, a lot of what you describe is what I hear class T amps in my very revealing system. I believe the TQ cables to be good so one of two things could be happening here:
1) The TQ cables have an electrical characteristic (L, R or C) which upsets your amp.
2) The weakest link in your system is now the amp and you're hearing it for what it is.
wee tee cee
20-10-2012, 08:23
this thread got me thinking....retrieved the belkins from the garage and swapped out the black this morning. mmmm they aint at all bad, bass and treble have definitely changed....give them a good listen tonight
The weakest link in your system is now the amp and you're hearing it for what it is.
Then the obvious solution is to go back to using the Belkins which make the amp sound like a million dollars ;)
The Belkins have great bass, soundstaging and are very musical!:)
Then the obvious solution is to go back to using the Belkins which make the amp sound like a million dollars ;)
Yes, if what you want is a $1m sound.
If you are inquisitive enough to consider a $2m sound then see if a different amp synergises with the TQ. If it doesn't then revert to $1m.
I think I'll stick with the $1m sound, it's better value and I wouldn't want to be greedy in these days of austerity :D
Yes, if what you want is a $1m sound.
If you are inquisitive enough to consider a $2m sound then see if a different amp synergises with the TQ. If it doesn't then revert to $1m.
:lol:
or buy some TQ Black and get a $3m sound...just maybe not with the Tamp.
The TQ is seriously good cable, not sure whats happening Dave.
Me neither Gaz. I've decided that I really couldn't tolerate living with them for another week so I will be putting them up for sale today.
I can't understand how some fancy wires like this appear to have such a "huge" effect on sonics. Must be summat wrong with them...
Having said that, The Mini-T doesn't have much bass weight (yawn) and the DM2's are not the last word in bass definition either I remember (despite their other undoubted strengths). I very much doubt the Belkins are so bad that they mnask this though, just 'cos they're cheap.
Maybe the "burn-in" machine (what a load of bollix :lol: ;)) messed them up?
It's worth mentioning here that the Belkins original RRP was close to £100 ;)
Dave - you were talking about distortion on piano thta wasn't there before - when you hook the Belkin back up play that track again straight away and have a listen to the piano - this might give a clue as to what is going on.
If it was only that Martin I wouldn't be quite so bothered. I'm pretty convinced now that it is some sort of electrical miss-match, it is the only thing that can explain the slight distortion and dull as ditchwater presentation...
If it was only that Martin I wouldn't be quite so bothered. I'm pretty convinced now that it is some sort of electrical miss-match, it is the only thing that can explain the slight distortion and dull as ditchwater presentation...
I agree that can really be the only reason, the distortion being the real giveaway. I was just wondering if it was still there with the Belkins but perhaps beign masked enough not to be noticeable unless you are actually listening out for it. If it is then it must be amp/speaker problem although I would have thought this would have shown up by now as you have being using and liking the combination for quite some time. :scratch:
Ali Tait
20-10-2012, 12:14
I use a run of blue on the bass and a run of black from 200Hz up on my active OB's, run with a pair of Bantam Golds. They use a different chip to the Tripath amps, same idea though. Cables sound great with the amps.
Suggest you put them in a second system if you have one and leave them running for a couple of weeks and try them again. they do take an age to run in.
Sorry fellas, but speaker cables are purely passive things and cannot distort the signal on their own, unless there is some horrible capacitance or inductance issues which shouldn't occur these days, should it?
6A mains cable should always be the reference. Any "better" cable should sound similar, but "better" than this IMO! and certainly not "different......."
As an example, the track I Believe on Acoustic Live from Nils Lofgren sounds vivid and alive when using the Belkins. With the TQ Blues however it sounds like it is being played on a cassette deck with the heads out of alignment, plus there is this underlying, subtle distortion to the guitars and voices.
Me neither Gaz. I've decided that I really couldn't tolerate living with them for another week so I will be putting them up for sale today.
I'm sure they will sell very quickly Dave if you post the advert on here.
You wont be out of pocket.
I use a run of blue on the bass and a run of black from 200Hz up on my active OB's, run with a pair of Bantam Golds. They use a different chip to the Tripath amps, same idea though. Cables sound great with the amps.
Suggest you put them in a second system if you have one and leave them running for a couple of weeks and try them again. they do take an age to run in.
wot he said.
Worth sticking with them imo
Sorry fellas, but speaker cables are purely passive things and cannot distort the signal on their own, unless there is some horrible capacitance or inductance issues which shouldn't occur these days, should it?
I would think that would depend on what load the speakers are presenting to the amp and how it copes with it. I agree that the cable alone cannot be the cause - as you say how could it be?
If it was only that Martin I wouldn't be quite so bothered. I'm pretty convinced now that it is some sort of electrical miss-match, it is the only thing that can explain the slight distortion and dull as ditchwater presentation...
It could be an electrical mismatch, but I've also long suspected that these Tellurium cables 'tailor' the sound in some way, thus creating a filtering effect that works very well in some systems, but piss-poor in others, which I think is what you're experiencing.
I don't believe that what you're hearing is necessarily due to the cable showing up deficiencies in the system, but rather vice versa - or more accurately, the system telling you whether it is compatible, sonically, with the tailoring effect of the TQs. I've never liked cables that do anything else other than, as faithfully as possible, transferring the audio signal that they're presented with.
This is precisely why I haven't jumped on the TQ bandwagon, and nor will I be likely to; instead I'll be sticking with my tried and tested (more sonically neutral) Van den Huls! ;)
Marco.
The Belkins are back in the system and all is well with the world again. Highs are high, lows are low and the mids are somewhere in the middle. Ah, subtlety has returned and the music is back in the grip of the gods... ;)
It could be an electrical mismatch, but I've also long suspected that these Tellurium cables 'tailor' the sound in some way, thus creating a filtering effect that works very well in some systems, but piss-poor in others, which I think is what you're experiencing.
I don't believe that what you're hearing is necessarily due to the cable showing up deficiencies in the system, but rather vice versa - or more accurately, the system telling you whether it is compatible, sonically, with the tailoring effect of the TQs. I've never liked cables that do anything other than, as faithfully as possible, transferring the audio signal that they're presented with.
This is precisely why I haven't jumped on the TQ bandwagon, and nor will I be likely to; instead I'll be sticking with my tried and tested (more sonically neutral) Van den Huls! ;)
Marco.
Yes this pretty much mirrors my experiences with TQ Black. Their effects will be sympathetic to some systems, but a neutral cable they are not.
The Belkins are back in the system and all is well with the world again. Highs are high, lows are low and the mids are somewhere in the middle. Ah, subtlety has returned and the music is back in the grip of the gods...
Nice one, Dave.
I've often found that, when it comes to speaker cables, those from the pro-audio industry tend to sound more 'truthful' than their so-called 'audiophile' counterparts, which IME, often produce an unwanted effect, by acting as a 'bandage'.
Did you read my previous post, btw? :)
Marco.
Hi Neil,
Yes this pretty much mirrors my experiences with TQ Black. Their effects will be sympathetic to some systems, but a neutral cable they are not.
I can't say for sure, as I haven't tried any TQ cables myself, but judging by some comments from people who've used them (the most telling for me are those of the negative variety), it's what my experience in these matters suspects is the case.
What I think TQ have done, rather cleverly, is identify a problem that exists in many systems today (that of a tendency to exhibit a balance which is forward sounding and also explicit/'shiny' at the top end), and have addressed this by creating a filtering effect that ameliorates the worst excesses of the problem, which is why the results achieved are so mixed.
Of course, there is also the question of synergy, and if you've successfully blended together cables from different manufacturers, TQ being one of them, and created an effect that pleases your ears, then bravo, but it's a somewhat 'arse about face' way of doing things, and certainly not my favoured method of achieving musical satisfaction from a system! ;)
Marco.
Why would anyone pay the same as the seller has paid? What does the new buyer gain? Worth a try I guess. You can get a refund from some dealers if returned in 30 days you know.
I'm using Belkins now and they are very good indeed. Very happy :)
Incidentally, I had heard that the TQ blue was a good cable if you wanted to tame a forward sounding system.
BTW Dave, the trusty Hafler is out of my system at the moment, as I've tweaked my Neats (with the help of Bob at Neat) and they now are a perfect match for my exposure amp and my room.
Hi Neil,
I can't say for sure, as I haven't tried any TQ cables myself, but judging by some comments from people who've used them (the most telling for me are those of the negative variety), it's what my experience in these matters suspects is the case.
What I think TQ have done, rather cleverly, is identify a problem that likely exists in many systems today (that of a tendency to exhibit a balance which is forward sounding and also explicit/'shiny' at the top end), and have addressed this by creating a filtering effect that ameliorates the worst excesses of the problem, which is why the results achieved are so mixed.
Of course, there is also the question of synergy, and if you've successfully blended together cables from different manufacturers, TQ being one of them, and created an effect that pleases your ears, then bravo, but it's a somewhat 'arse about face' way of doing things, and certainly not my favoured method of achieving musical satisfaction from a system! ;)
Marco.
Bit of a leap of logic there Marco... :)
Why would anyone pay the same as the seller has paid? What does the new buyer gain? Worth a try I guess. You can get a refund from some dealers if returned in 30 days you know.
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Why would anyone pay the same as the seller has paid? What does the new buyer gain? Worth a try I guess. You can get a refund from some dealers if returned in 30 days you know.
Because I have only put a few hours on them which will actually benefit the buyer. They are as new (I received them on Friday morning). They were also supplied below list price therefore the buyer is still getting an excellent deal. I make no apologies for this, it's not as if I'm profiting from the sale :ner:
Did you read my previous post, btw?
Yes I did Marco. I've learnt a salutary lesson from this experience, which is to not believe everything you read. I have received strict orders from the management to leave "the damned Belkins" where they are...:lol:
should have got the Blacks mate... ;)
icehockeyboy
20-10-2012, 14:10
I thought they were only loaners until you decided what to do?
Oh FFS :doh: Do you know what, I've just had Brooky screaming at me in my PM about stuff I wasn't privy too, so forgive me if I don't lay out the deal I made with him via the forum as I don't want to be accused of trying to ruin his business, again... :rolleyes:
Bit of a leap of logic there Marco... :)
Sure, but it's simply my honest opinion on what could be happening, which some others who've used the cables in question have agreed with.
Anyway, I'll leave it there. If they're working well in your system, then that's all that matters :)
Marco.
Oh FFS :doh: Do you know what, I've just had Brooky screaming at me in my PM about stuff I wasn't privy too, so forgive me if I don't lay out the deal I made with him via the forum as I don't want to be accused of trying to ruin his business, again... :rolleyes:
This is bullshit, Dave. We don't practice censorship on AoS. If David has a problem with something written here, then he should be coming to me about it, not you!
Just say what you think and refuse to be gagged. We take a very dim view of that here. If you can supposedly "ruin" someone's business, simply from being honest, then something is very wrong indeed!!
Marco.
If I give anyone a discount off anything I don't expect them to publicise it as it's private, or at least I would have thought so? Anyway the point is Dave decided to sell the cables on the AOS 1 day after receiving them, he simply needs to return them to me and call it quits, simples which I believe he is now doing. Hope that clears this up. :)
Not really. He's still entitled to comment on the forum if he doesn't like them. Also, I know nothing about any discount, nor can I see it mentioned anywhere on this thread. In any case, that matter is irrelevant.
I won't have you PM-ing any members here, yelling down their ear and demanding that what they've written is removed, simply because the opinions expressed don't suit your business. Do I make myself clear?
Dave has clearly been upset with the experience, as is evidenced in his post #65. You have mail. I suggest that you attend to it ASAP.
Marco.
Sure, but it's simply my honest opinion on what could be happening, which some others who've used the cables in question have agreed with.
Anyway, I'll leave it there. If they're working well in your system, then that's all that matters :)
Marco.
no problem with that mate. :)
If I give anyone a discount off anything I don't expect them to publicise it as it's private, or at least I would have thought so? Anyway the point is Dave decided to sell the cables on the AOS 1 day after receiving them, he simply needs to return them to me and call it quits, simples which I believe he is now doing. Hope that clears this up. :)
There has been a terrible misunderstanding somewhere down the line which I am pleased to say has now been cleared up. In an effort to save Dave Brooks the hassle of having to take the cables back I decided to sell them seeing as they seem to be popular. As it happens, Dave is more than happy to take the cables back so the TQ Blues are no longer for sale.
So Dave isnt the evil one after all this time.
Sovereign
20-10-2012, 15:49
This thread started off very interesting. I was very pleased to see an honest review, I find it really disappointing that MCRU are discouraging a transparent review. That makes no business sense at all, earlier on in the week there was an eBay 'DIY' seller MCRU were accusing of not being a registered business and not paying corporation tax. What is going on here???
To be fair to DB here, he wasn't upset at my findings, there was a misunderstanding which could have affected one of his business relationships. Anyway, as I have stated it is all ironed out now ;)
Hi James,
I was very pleased to see an honest review, I find it really disappointing that MCRU are discouraging a transparent review.
Having looked into the situation now, I can state categorically that this wasn't the case, although it looked that way initially - and we would have taken a very dim view of any such attempted censorship here.
Happily, however, it was just a misunderstanding between the two Dave's about something else entirely, and all is now well! :)
Marco.
Sovereign
20-10-2012, 22:19
OK
Wakefield Turntables
21-10-2012, 08:24
glad I stayed out of this thread. Also glad I didnt jump on the bandwagon and buy this cable ;)
icehockeyboy
21-10-2012, 09:17
glad I stayed out of this thread. Also glad I didnt jump on the bandwagon and buy this cable ;)
Well as someone who heartedly recommended the TQ Blues, I did jump on it, and I believe there can be no other explanation other than some kind of synergy problem, mainly because with my kit I had never heard such an improvement for such a little outlay, bearing in mind I bought them preowned from Effem.
Dave, it's such a pity they did not float your boat, I am not overly( read not much at all) technically minded, but I would guess your little T amp just didn't like them!
Well as someone who heartedly recommended the TQ Blues, I did jump on it, and I believe there can be no other explanation other than some kind of synergy problem, mainly because with my kit I had never heard such an improvement for such a little outlay, bearing in mind I bought them preowned from Effem.
Dave, it's such a pity they did not float your boat, I am not overly( read not much at all) technically minded, but I would guess your little T amp just didn't like them!
I am still as baffled now as ever how Dave didn't find a magnitude of improvement by changing from the Belkins to the TQ Blues, especially so when I sold my TQ Blacks and had to use the Belkins until the TQ Blues arrived, when my own observations were still the same the second time around from that same upgrade earlier on in the year. Mind you, there must also be some TQ Black fans wondering how I didn't like those and have gone back to the Blues.
Still, Dave didn't like them and that has to be the end of the matter, so leave the man enjoying what he enjoys :eyebrows:
l would say having heard the Belkins and some TQ Black that they sound really, really different.
l would say having heard the Belkins and some TQ Black that they sound really, really different.
me too.
Ali Tait
21-10-2012, 11:03
+2..
icehockeyboy
21-10-2012, 11:05
Me 3' but its the Blues that are in question.........:eyebrows:
wee tee cee
21-10-2012, 16:11
I slotted the the the belkins back in for an hour or so last night.They are crackin cables for the money BUT they seem to emphasise frequency extremes,enjoyable in the short term but annoying when you hear sibilance on recordings that aint they're.
Went to the blues from that and the sibilance reduced and the bass was still a bit over blown/soft but a far more even handed neutral presentation.
Returning the black to the equation was like a sigh of relief...just less uncoloured, more honest again.
The TQ stuff does for me what the picture in the website shows....less distortion, bringing things into focus....
One man's meat is another man's poison......
You seem to have had the same experience as me Tony but in reverse :)
I'm sure the TQ Blues are excellent cables in the right set up, but they were obviously not happy in mine. I am currently listening to Stevie Wonders, The Secret Life Of Plants which is one of the many albums my good lady and I used to trial the Blues alongside the Belkins on Saturday and to be honest chaps it could be a completely different album. It's alive with detail and ambience aplenty.
One very important lesson to learn from this thread is to ... and I cannot stress this enough ... LISTEN BEFORE YOU PURCHASE!!! What works for one won't necessarily work for another.
Thank you all for your insightful comments. I am now off to write up the experience on my gallery thread (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=374848#post374848) ;)
Sovereign
21-10-2012, 17:48
I went from NAC A5 to TQ black and thought the difference was stunning. A great cable indeed!
To be honest James, if the Black's are voiced in a similar way to the Blue's, they would fail in my system as well. I'm glad they work for you however ;)
A5 is a good cable I think, and ideal for older valve gear. The only reason I ignore it now is the silly price charged...
It could be an electrical mismatch, but I've also long suspected that these Tellurium cables 'tailor' the sound in some way, thus creating a filtering effect that works very well in some systems, but piss-poor in others, which I think is what you're experiencing.
I can only speak for the TQ Ultra Blacks, but there is no filtering or tailoring going on whatsoever. They are a wide open window, as confirmed by comparing with a few other speaker cables.
Sovereign
21-10-2012, 20:53
To be honest James, if the Black's are voiced in a similar way to the Blue's, they would fail in my system as well. I'm glad they work for you however ;)
Not heard the blue, but it must be similar to the black.
I know it was a bit of a muddle in the end but it was great to hear an honest review even if it does go against the tide, I feel all to often people follow fashion and trends.
I am a fan of the TQ Black and the Ultras are also good. I currently use NVA LS6 which suits my ears and sound very open and un congested, and I can't see myself wanting to change for a long time. Good luck with your Belkins.
brian2957
21-10-2012, 21:11
Have you tried the blacks back in the system after using the LS6S for a while James.:) If so what is your impression .
Thank you James. The Belkins are not the 'be all and end all' of speaker cables obviously, they just seem to suit my system. Incidentally, if you want to read my full review of the TQ Blues it is in my gallery thread which I linked to in one of my earlier posts (post 85) :)
Sovereign
21-10-2012, 22:10
Have you tried the blacks back in the system after using the LS6S for a while James.:) If so what is your impression .
Yes I have. After using the LS6 for a while I popped the TQ black in and found it to be lovely sounding but slightly wooly and coloured.
For me the TQ Black is an exceptional cable and it offers real value, but for me the NVA LS6 suits me better. It is extremely holographic and everything has its own space, you hear choirs are now made up of many indevidul voices and not just a mass of sound, the bass is full and fruity. I found the TQ Black treble to be slightly rolled off where as with the LS6 it was more open and didn't seem to have a ceiling to the sound.
Not sure if that helps at all.
Well, the NVA cables won't be acting as a deliberate filter, that's for sure ;)
Marco.
brian2957
22-10-2012, 14:11
Yes I have. After using the LS6 for a while I popped the TQ black in and found it to be lovely sounding but slightly wooly and coloured.
For me the TQ Black is an exceptional cable and it offers real value, but for me the NVA LS6 suits me better. It is extremely holographic and everything has its own space, you hear choirs are now made up of many indevidul voices and not just a mass of sound, the bass is full and fruity. I found the TQ Black treble to be slightly rolled off where as with the LS6 it was more open and didn't seem to have a ceiling to the sound.
Not sure if that helps at all.
You have PM James.
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