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daytona600
03-10-2012, 14:43
will this replace CD
blu spec CD
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/rcms/music/bluspec2.html?current=0&step=30
...I think this beat it to the punch ;)
http://flac.sourceforge.net/
daytona600
03-10-2012, 15:08
not out in japan until december Claims to be played on a standard cd player
sq225917
03-10-2012, 15:14
Using the blu-ray pressing machines to master cd's should give you more accurate pit edges. But given that the pit transitions in cd's are 100 times smaller than the minimum size for an actual pit it's unlikely to make any difference. It would like mistaking a cm for a metre.
The truth of the matter is, most cd's are actually pressed on blu-ray pressing machines these days because they started phasing out the single format cd presses for multi-format presses years ago that handle cd, sacd, dvd and blu-ray formats.
...I think this beat it to the punch ;)
http://flac.sourceforge.net/
Unfortunately WAV and AIFF sound better... ;)
...verified by Foobar2000's double-blind (ABX) comparator plugin. Having said this I doubt I'd be able to tell using something like a Core i7 PC with an SSD.
Haselsh1
03-10-2012, 15:51
I very much doubt there'll be a replacement for CD until the general market demands a replacement. The fact that DVD-A and SACD didn't really catch on speaks volumes for the market at the present time.
I very much doubt there'll be a replacement for CD until the general market demands a replacement.
+1
CD as a format IMHO is in the same position vinyl was in during the early 80's, but CD is going to become even more of a niche product than vinyl has become and whereas vinyl is going through a resurgence, I don't think this will ever happen to CD. It's had its days of glory as the dominant market leader and this is going to change nothing.
Unfortunately WAV and AIFF sound better... ;)
...verified by Foobar2000's double-blind (ABX) comparator plugin. Having said this I doubt I'd be able to tell using something like a Core i7 PC with an SSD.
Does processor or SSD really make a difference to sound quality for something between 172 - 1125 Kb per second? Surely if it does, it's an overblown OS getting in the way?
A little off topic I realise but I'd be interested to know if that's what people really experience.
CD is completely different to other past formats because it is digital so in the end it is only a way of distributing something and storing it as a hardcopy.
It is the CD only PLAYER which becomes obsolete, especially with backward compatability of other optical formats.
Once the players fade out, then "CDs" will be on DVD/blue-ray whatever, no matter what their digital resolution. You'll still be able to play the old CDs.
So CD will be around for many many years to come but will be just on a different kind of silver disc.
In my view, people will always want an identifiable hardcopy, even if there's an initial discard of CDs for purely clutter-free reasons. Legal complications and potential back-up (most people don't back-up anyway) or solar storm reasons will bring the physical back to importance.
Vinyl is still around because you can't use it in any other way than on a turntable - the Vinyl IS the music, if you see what I mean.
+1
CD as a format IMHO is in the same position vinyl was in during the early 80's, but CD is going to become even more of a niche product than vinyl has become and whereas vinyl is going through a resurgence, I don't think this will ever happen to CD. It's had its days of glory as the dominant market leader and this is going to change nothing.
This is a good thing for music collectors because there should be a load of old CDs appearing in record shops rather than a tiny section. My biggest concern is that if the market transitions to download only they don't offer everything compressed as-is the current situation with iTunes.
Am not sure if vinyl will usurp CD in terms of popularity, but HiFi shops are starting to pick up in business again, which is perhaps because some people are disliking overly compressed music through crappy iBuds! I do believe that no matter what many people will prefer to have a physical format be it CD, tape reels or vinyl.
Stratmangler
04-10-2012, 18:25
I do believe that no matter what many people will prefer to have a physical format be it CD, tape reels or vinyl.
http://www.stmary.ws/highschool/physics/home/notes/dynamics/friction/caveman.gif
At least when my amp goes kaput it won't take all my CD's and Vinyl with it, which is more than can be said for my hard drive. What's that sonny, backup? I can't, there's a wall behind me... :eyebrows:
Haselsh1
04-10-2012, 20:34
At least when my amp goes kaput it won't take all my CD's and Vinyl with it, which is more than can be said for my hard drive. What's that sonny, backup? I can't, there's a wall behind me... :eyebrows:
I love this comment and that's before we start to talk about pride of ownership and other such things that simply don't exist with a hard drive that has a life expectancy of around five years if you're lucky.
Stratmangler
05-10-2012, 06:55
Keep on banging the rocks guys - there ain't gonna be no CD replacement that ain't already available in some kind of shape or form :eyebrows:
:lolsign: Agreed. Theres a whole generation of key music buying resources out there that have never bought a CD in their lives and never will, they simply download everything...if their iPod or whatever goes tits up they simply re-sync their new device via whatever cloud service is being offered...really guys, time to wake up.
Absolutely, what the future holds in terms of data storage will be radically different from a 3.5" HD in your NAS, in your house.
Once mobile bandwidth is enough to stream uncompressed audio, anywhere, there will be no requirement for local storage.
The key is having the media (i.e. the data files themselves) in the first place.
And if you're daft enough to put all your faith in a single hard drive, then you get what you deserve ;)
I'm not sure where you guys buy your hard drives from, but 5 years or less is just incorrect, totally incorrect in fact. Somebody is having you over or you are doing something to them you shouldn't be :scratch:
I've got drives over 10 years old that are still working, yes at some point they may fail and will have to be replaced, but I consider the convenience they offer worth this. If you keep a drive unused for backup purposes, there is no reason for them not to still be working in 100 years times if they have been looked after - frankly a rather ridiculous statement, as well as being factually incorrect.
And ultimately, why does it always have to turn into a pissing contest, can't we all except that whats good for one person is not necessarily good for another? I would never slag somebody off for choosing one format or another to play music, down to them and what makes them happy - its the music that counts not the equipment, but that so often gets forgotten whilst all the dicks get waived around :rolleyes:
:sofa:
bobbasrah
05-10-2012, 11:56
I'm not sure where you guys buy your hard drives from, but 5 years or less is just incorrect, totally incorrect in fact. Somebody is having you over or you are doing something to them you shouldn't be :scratch:
I've got drives over 10 years old that are still working, yes at some point they may fail and will have to be replaced, but I consider the convenience they offer worth this. If you keep a drive unused for backup purposes, there is no reason for them not to still be working in 100 years times if they have been looked after - frankly a rather ridiculous statement, as well as being factually incorrect.
And ultimately, why does it always have to turn into a pissing contest, can't we all except that whats good for one person is not necessarily good for another? I would never slag somebody off for choosing one format or another to play music, down to them and what makes them happy - its the music that counts not the equipment, but that so often gets forgotten whilst all the dicks get waived around :rolleyes:
:sofa:
:more:
I'm not sure where you guys buy your hard drives from, but 5 years or less is just incorrect, totally incorrect in fact. Somebody is having you over or you are doing something to them you shouldn't be :scratch:
I've got drives over 10 years old that are still working, yes at some point they may fail and will have to be replaced, but I consider the convenience they offer worth this. If you keep a drive unused for backup purposes, there is no reason for them not to still be working in 100 years times if they have been looked after - frankly a rather ridiculous statement, as well as being factually incorrect.
And ultimately, why does it always have to turn into a pissing contest, can't we all except that whats good for one person is not necessarily good for another? I would never slag somebody off for choosing one format or another to play music, down to them and what makes them happy - its the music that counts not the equipment, but that so often gets forgotten whilst all the dicks get waived around :rolleyes:
:sofa:
There does seem to be an urban myth that HDDs are unreliable, or else I've been incredibly luck... no, I'm not going to say it, suddenly those 5,000 devices on my network will keel over simultaneously... :lol:
Oh and listen here Sonny Tim - you come on here talking about formats! There's only one format worth considering - FLAC! Yeah, yeah - how d'ya like them apples! (sorry - wrong turn of phrase!) - you try FLAC then come back here and see how high you can get up that wall. Oh hang on... :lol:
:lol: I wondered how long that would take . . . see, I have nowt against 'that' format at all (if you follow what I have said in the past), it's not the gear either, which is very good - beautiful minimalist design that works. Its the company I have an issue with, which prevents me morally from buying anything they produce - the products themselves are fantastic, I've always agreed on that :ner:
From a personal perspective, I have huge issues with cloud based solutions and the inherent security of the files stored upon them, which is why I baulk at using them. Even so, I do have a Photobucket account however I wouldn't trust it to be my soul repository of images and videos... http://www.animated-smileys.com/smileys/disguised/animated-smileys-disguised-022.gif
format wars! *grabs pitchfork :lol:
any thoughts on m-disc?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqZEr18Ra4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTSFzfVhGA&feature=related
bobbasrah
06-10-2012, 07:17
From a personal perspective, I have huge issues with cloud based solutions and the inherent security of the files stored upon them, which is why I baulk at using them. Even so, I do have a Photobucket account however I wouldn't trust it to be my soul repository of images and videos... http://www.animated-smileys.com/smileys/disguised/animated-smileys-disguised-022.gif
Spot on.
Whereas the move to Cloud-Based everything has some logic behind it, I would no more trust such a situation as having a single hdd with no backup.
Stratmangler
06-10-2012, 07:33
format wars! *grabs pitchfork :lol:
any thoughts on m-disc?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqZEr18Ra4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTSFzfVhGA&feature=related
Nah!
It means you have to accumulate a lot more "stuff".
The future is already here, and by far outstrips the sales of "proper" audio equipment, much to the chagrin of many of the natives here :eyebrows:
All that will happen is that the amount of data you can store will go up, storage methods will improve in longterm reliability, and a certain company will acknowledge FLAC as a supported format.
Spotify will go lossless, that'll upset the apple cart... :lol:
Spotify will go lossless, that'll upset the apple cart... :lol:
Excellent fruit based humour Alex...:lol:
I think that's where all the 'big boys' are heading, the future model will be a subscription one for most people, Spotify premium being a good example. It brings piracy under their control again...:eyebrows:
It'll probably be just us 'musos' that actually buy and store anything, whether that be managed storage or not :)
that'll upset the apple cart...
:D
Nah!
It means you have to accumulate a lot more "stuff".
The future is already here, and by far outstrips the sales of "proper" audio equipment, much to the chagrin of many of the natives here :eyebrows:
All that will happen is that the amount of data you can store will go up, storage methods will improve in longterm reliability, and a certain company will acknowledge FLAC as a supported format.
Just because it outstrips the sales of "proper" audio equipment doesn't mean it sounds as good of course.
I can't see how Apple would support FLAC when they can make attempts to lock people into ALAC, additionally, AIFF and WAV do sound better than so-called lossless formats.
Stratmangler
08-10-2012, 19:58
additionally, AIFF and WAV do sound better than so-called lossless formats.
So some folk claim.
I've never heard any difference between the AIFF and WAV and the so called lossless formats, so in my book they're the same on playback.
The lossless formats do carry HDCD information, which will light up a HDCD light on a suitably equipped DAC, so they are bit perfect, because it wouldn't happen if they weren't.
I've never heard any difference between the AIFF and WAV and the so called lossless formats, so in my book they're the same on playback.
Same here Chris ;)
I will just stick with cd's for now:D
jon
I will just stick with cd's for now:D
I think you will be OK for a good while yet John ;)
I think you will be OK for a good while yet John ;)
To right tim:eyebrows:..nothing to replace the cd format at this moment :)
jon
Stratmangler
10-10-2012, 17:58
To right tim:eyebrows:..nothing to replace the cd format at this moment :)
jon
Nor will there be :eyebrows:
But given that the pit transitions in cd's are 100 times smaller than the minimum size for an actual pit it's unlikely to make any difference.
Given the more accurate and sharper transitions, it could well make a difference to jitter.
Nor will there be :eyebrows:
Must have backed a winner chris:D
jon
Keep on banging the rocks guys - there ain't gonna be no CD replacement that ain't already available in some kind of shape or form :eyebrows:
It arrived some time ago and is called SACD. Unfortunately, the great masses are not interested in hi-res sound.
Stratmangler
10-10-2012, 18:50
It arrived some time ago and is called SACD. Unfortunately, the great masses are not interested in hi-res sound.
...and Sony no longer promote it.
And it used to be secure (the only secure format), but that's another story ;)
...and Sony no longer promote it.
Sony have a world of pain to deal with and SACD didn't give them the revenues they expected. SACD continues as a minority high quality format, especially in classical music. It's great to see more recent releases on the format from the likes of ELP and Genesis, though.
Reid Malenfant
10-10-2012, 19:02
It arrived some time ago and is called SACD. Unfortunately, the great masses are not interested in hi-res sound.
Yes, I like those :D
You are overlooking music that happens to be on blu rays & HD-DVDs which can often be 24 bit, on top of that you get a free video to boot :rfl:
bobbasrah
11-10-2012, 06:59
It arrived some time ago and is called SACD. Unfortunately, the great masses are not interested in hi-res sound.
As Chris said the SACD could have extended optical sales as it was a secure format and would have stemmed the piracy which caused so many issues with the industry. It would have probably maintained their monopoly and the media industry would have been a very different animal than it is today.
It is a crying shame that rather than push the switch to SACD across the board and phase out CD, the industry tried to run both in parallel, IMHO one of the industry marketeers' greatest errors of judgement ever.
Hardware and discs were pitched as premium quality in parallel with CD at higher prices to maximise profit, pure and simple. It was not a dramatic increase in costs to manufacture, yet the industry successfully managed to salvage disaster out of the jaws of imminent success.....:mental:
Sorry to disagree Martin, but "the great masses are not interested in hi-res sound" should have been appended with "at the costs demanded". It is not the masses who are at fault for saying 'get stuffed'.;)
It is not the masses who are at fault for saying 'get stuffed'.;)
I would agree that the Sony and Philips marketing machine was not great. The whole idea was that hybrids would be sold for a number of years until all players became compatible, then single layer SACDs could take over. As you say, the cost and profit structure didn't allow that to happen and ultra cheap CD manufacturing at the time saw it off.
I still say that the masses are not interested in good sound quality, though. Witness the number of iPod users with those awful squawky white earphones.
bobbasrah
11-10-2012, 08:50
I would agree that the Sony and Philips marketing machine was not great. The whole idea was that hybrids would be sold for a number of years until all players became compatible, then single layer SACDs could take over. As you say, the cost and profit structure didn't allow that to happen and ultra cheap CD manufacturing at the time saw it off.
I still say that the masses are not interested in good sound quality, though. Witness the number of iPod users with those awful squawky white earphones.
Agreed that it was a business plan that had dramatic impacts brought on by sheer arrogance. They thought they could dictate and control the market as they had previously, and it backfired in spectacular fashion. Equipment and media pricing made sure of that... From LP to CD to.....mp3....:mental:
SACD sadly remains a minority interest even today. My Pio 575A player handles SACD wonderfully, and was a fraction of the cost of the market SACD players at the time (can even tap the 24/96 stream ;)). The cost and availability of SACD media however remains silly so it sits idle.:steam:
iTunes sold a zillion units of low quality downloads to satisfy a burgeoning market while Sony supervised a decline in sales of Hi-res for domestic use. :mental:
I do not believe there is a general mass decline in appreciation of good reproduction, any more than I though that was the case with boom-boxes. The market is there for hi-res, it is just unnecessarily expensive IMHO.:rolleyes:
bobbasrah
12-10-2012, 06:33
From a personal perspective, I have huge issues with cloud based solutions and the inherent security of the files stored upon them, which is why I baulk at using them. Even so, I do have a Photobucket account however I wouldn't trust it to be my soul repository of images and videos... http://www.animated-smileys.com/smileys/disguised/animated-smileys-disguised-022.gif
An item on BBC today.....
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121011-pulling-the-plug-on-the-internet
Interesting - we can't get that link in the UK. It's only the BBC, for goodness sake!
bobbasrah
12-10-2012, 07:19
Sorry Martin, I keep forgetting about these 'UK' issues. Below is pasted text....
Pulling the plug on the internet's ‘magical’ delusion
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The ease of use of many internet services means some problems - including censorship and environmental - remain out of sight and out of mind, writes Tom Chatfield.
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“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic,” argued the author Arthur C Clarke in the last of his three laws of prediction.
It’s an adage that the current state of digital technology comes close to testing for many users, and never more than in the field of “cloud” computing. This increasingly widespread practice, popularised by companies like Apple and Google, makes everything from photographs and music to apps and documents available online, anywhere in the world.
Even the word “cloud” is as a kind of incantation, removing all sense of physical or geographical limitation. Yet it’s also a form of technological magic whose physical demands – for infrastructure, for power, and for the continued expansion of these to match demand – make for a field within which “out of sight, out of mind” is the very last kind of magical thinking we can afford.
As a recent investigative series of articles in the New York Times has emphasized, cloud-creation is a remarkably intensive industry. “Most data centers”, James Glanz noted in his piece Power, pollution and the internet, “by design, consume vast amounts of energy in an incongruously wasteful manner... worldwide, the digital warehouses use about 30 billion watts of electricity, roughly equivalent to the output of 30 nuclear power plants.” For clouds to function as users expect, effortless access to information is required at all times and in all places, with “no sense that data is physical or that storing it uses up space and energy”. And so the machines making all this happen must be available 99.999% of the time with constant, energy-hungry reserves of spare capacity.
Glanz’s piece may be a startling awakening for some but, as others have pointed out, it largely fails to take into account many businesses’ increasingly intense awareness of energy usage – not to mention the improved efficiencies that huge, remote services can represent over tiny local ones. Users may not realize that their every action is burning a little more fuel, but giants like Google and Facebook certainly do.
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While the environmental situation may not be quite as apocalyptic as the New York Times suggests, however, the piece points the way towards other important long-term issues. For, as we upload more and more of our lives into digital immateriality, the cables, switches, servers and consumed power beneath this are steadily growing in both social and political significance.
Consider the case of Iran and its scheme for a “halal” internet, first proposed in 2011 as a way of replacing the open (and both politically and morally corrupting, according to the Iranian government) international internet with a separate, strictly controlled national network. Some have judged the scheme implausible, not least for economic reasons. But the possibility remains, with Iranian officials themselves cheerfully predicting a fully operational system by March 2013.
Even if you’re not inclined to credit Iran with the technical capacity to live up to its threats, its actions – and those of other similarly censorious regimes – paint a very different picture of the online realm to that of clouds’ weightless freedom. The internet itself is merely a network of networks, and networks can be broken and fragmented – especially if you know where to cut.
As the author Andrew Blum puts it in his recent book Tubes: Behind the Scenes at the Internet, “Everything you do online travels through a tube. Inside those tubes (by and large) are glass fibers. Inside those fibers is light. Encoded in that light is, increasingly, us.” It’s a kind of magic - but one that can evaporate as absolutely as a card trick’s mystery, once you know the gimmick. In one scene in Blum’s book, he visits a key part of the net’s American infrastructure. “All this talk about Homeland Security, but look what someone could do in here with a chain saw,” says his tour guide.
Iran may not be willing to wield the chain saw – yet – but Egypt certainly was in January 2011 when its desperate government shut down all the country’s major internet service providers, bringing over 90% of online activity crashing down with them. It was a tactic that didn’t prevent revolution – and which by some estimates cost the country $18 million in lost economic activity per day – but it was also easy enough to achieve and extremely hard to resist, thanks not least to the consequences that internet service provider employees (themselves very much physically present in Egypt) were likely to face if they failed to comply.
Censorship, revolution and digital blackouts can seem a long way from environmental brow-beating. Yet a clear common thread connects them. In an age when information is an inherently political commodity, to act as though the privileges of the digital present – from the infinite suffusion of cloud services to the political freedom to use them – are simply conjured from the ether is to have your head in a perilous proverbial cloud.
Similarly, as even Arthur C Clarke might have conceded, there’s no such thing as magic: there’s only someone being fooled, and someone doing the fooling. And no sufficiently advanced society can afford to fool itself, if it hopes either to understand its present or to protect its future.
Even the word “cloud” is as a kind of incantation, removing all sense of physical or geographical limitation. Yet it’s also a form of technological magic whose physical demands – for infrastructure, for power, and for the continued expansion of these to match demand – make for a field within which “out of sight, out of mind” is the very last kind of magical thinking we can afford.
Cheers for the article Bob...
Some interesting points, if perhaps a little alarmist...
This is what really annoys me about the 'Industry' I work in...it's been hijacked by marketing
For 'Cloud' read 'Managed Service', for 'internet' read 'Network Cable'
In the 70's and early 80's most small/medium organisations IT requirements were satisfied by 'On Demand' 'Software as a Service' resources...err they rented some time on a shared mainframe up the road...or as far as the cable would reach :)
OK we are talking about a slightly larger concept now, but the principle remains the same...it's a remote managed service.
"Cloud"...my arse!!!!;)
Agreed, Will. If you dispose of the original name and call it something short and cuddly, stick an 'i' in front of it and remember that Apple really invented it, then you can see how we've arrived at where we are now.
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. Anyone remember the Compaq TC1000 Windows tablet? I bought one in 2002. I'm going to revive it and walk around with it, see what people make of tablets created before Apple 'invented' them.
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. Anyone Remember the Compaq TC1000 Windows tablet? I bought one in 2002. I'm going to revive it and walk around with it, see what people make of tablets created before Apple 'invented' them.
Even our CIO seems hell bent on painting our organisation into an iPAD corner, with 'mobile' solutions being based on a 'legacy' product!!! :steam:
Keep it platform agnostic FFS!!!
Agreed, Will. If you dispose of the original name and call it something short and cuddly, stick an 'i' in front of it and remember that Apple really invented it, then you can see how we've arrived at where we are now.
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. Anyone Remember the Compaq TC1000 Windows tablet? I bought one in 2002. I'm going to revive it and walk around with it, see what people make of tablets created before Apple 'invented' them.
Go Martin!!!
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Sorry!
Just having a particularly difficult day with staff being thick :rolleyes:
Oh, and...
Keep it platform agnostic FFS!!!
YES!!!
bobbasrah
12-10-2012, 12:24
Agreed, Will. If you dispose of the original name and call it something short and cuddly, stick an 'i' in front of it and remember that Apple really invented it, then you can see how we've arrived at where we are now.
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. Anyone remember the Compaq TC1000 Windows tablet? I bought one in 2002. I'm going to revive it and walk around with it, see what people make of tablets created before Apple 'invented' them.
Equally agreed Will, all industries are suffering from marketing hype, rebranding bullshit and babble-speak. :rolleyes: It makes for good reports they say...:mental:
As to your idea to show off the original tablet Martin, you are too late....
Moses was first....;)
How's that for platform agnostic......err....maybe not....came with it's own Mount I believe....:booty:
Canetoad
12-10-2012, 12:30
By the way, if anyone here is in marketing or advertising...kill yourself. Thank you. Just planting seeds, planting seeds is all I'm doing. No joke here, really. Seriously, kill yourself, you have no rationalisation for what you do, you are Satan's little helpers. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now. Now, back to the show. Seriously, I know the marketing people: 'There's gonna be a joke comin' up.' There's no fuckin' joke. Suck a tail pipe, hang yourself...borrow a pistol from an NRA buddy, do something...rid the world of your evil fuckin' presence.
Bill Hicks
:eyebrows:
Stratmangler
12-10-2012, 12:30
Just having a particularly difficult day with staff being thick :rolleyes:
I've had a wasted trip to site to be confronted with the same, so I smiled and left.
I should have stayed in bed :rolleyes:
....
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. ...
King Canute syndrome! :lol: I got the Hoover out today and did a bit of Hoovering....except I didn't 'cause its an upright Vax vacuum cleaner. Given any product that makes such a profound market influence its only natural that it'll get rolled into everyday vocabulary... :)
Well, I still call it a vacuum cleaner!
I still say that the masses are not interested in good sound quality, though. Witness the number of iPod users with those awful squawky white earphones.
Even worse, witness the number of people prepared to fork out over £100 for the cheap and plasticy Dr Dre range yet they're no better than a good pair of £30-£40 headphones from someone like sennheiser.
People DO seem to go for "high quality sound" when it's sold wrapped in a 'premium' branding exercise but not for its own sake..
Indeed, we're back to the Bose Wave radio again :eek:
Agreed, Will. If you dispose of the original name and call it something short and cuddly, stick an 'i' in front of it and remember that Apple really invented it, then you can see how we've arrived at where we are now.
I'm currently fighting staff who insist on calling any tablet computer an iPad. Anyone remember the Compaq TC1000 Windows tablet? I bought one in 2002. I'm going to revive it and walk around with it, see what people make of tablets created before Apple 'invented' them.
I enjoy playing about with my '97 Apple Newton 2100 - ok, not for much worthwhile but you can squeeze one or two MP3s on there!
People adopted the tablet PC ages ago, perhaps not at home but definately in some work environments. I'm always stunned that people never came across anything like it before the iPad. I've a Slate PC I picked up from eBay a while ago too, Celeron M processor inside to give it some date - that I'd consider a proper tablet as it doesn't have the keyboard attached.
Agreed that it was a business plan that had dramatic impacts brought on by sheer arrogance. They thought they could dictate and control the market as they had previously, and it backfired in spectacular fashion. Equipment and media pricing made sure of that... From LP to CD to.....mp3....:mental:
SACD sadly remains a minority interest even today. My Pio 575A player handles SACD wonderfully, and was a fraction of the cost of the market SACD players at the time (can even tap the 24/96 stream ;)). The cost and availability of SACD media however remains silly so it sits idle.:steam:
How easy is it to tap into?
bobbasrah
12-10-2012, 19:35
How easy is it to tap into?
Have a look at this thread Nat... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/48393-hirez-sacd-dvd-digital-output-pioneer-dv-575a-dv-578a-dsd-pcm-37.html all explained within. All quite old now, but perhaps hotted up a bit maybe?:D
It was one of these strange things that popped up on a Google search a few years ago as i had such a machine (unlocked) and the result was one of those old Condor moments......:eek:
PS Yes I said CONDOR, bugger all to do with the London Rubber Company before anyone suggests it....
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