Log in

View Full Version : Kiseki Milltek



vencel
27-09-2012, 22:14
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-001.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-002.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-003.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-004.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-005.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-006.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-009.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-010.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-015.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-018.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-021.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-023.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-024.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-025.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-028.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-032.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-034.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-036.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-038.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-041.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-048.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-049.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-059.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-066.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-082.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-083.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-087.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-088.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-092.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-098.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/Kiseki Milltek/Kiseki-Milltek-107.jpg

DSJR
28-09-2012, 08:05
Someone's been playing lots of heavy-metal records before the restoration :lol:

Superb job and this thing was pretty good originally I think from memory, so well worth the trouble and effort :) :respect:

You changed the suspension. Can you say what to and why? Silly question, but I'd appreciate your take on it please :)

sq225917
28-09-2012, 08:11
He changed, coils, canti, stylus and tie wire. The one thing you can be sure of is that this cart sounds absolutely nothing like it did before, it's not even really the same cart. If it was a car all that would be left was the bodyshell and the engine block.

That said I'd rather have a newly rebuilt cart than no cart.

NRG
28-09-2012, 08:16
László do you do the work yourself? Its impressive. How do you re-wind the coils and how do you determine how many turns? Just curious!

vencel
28-09-2012, 17:49
Thank for all the comments.
Unfortunately I am not that good to carry out such a work and I am not professional in it so unfortunately I don't know all the answers for you questions.
I am sharing these photos with you with the approval of the professional who did this rebuild.
What I know is that it is rather hard to rebuild a Koetsu or Kiseki to original specs since supply to original components is rather impossible.
Kiseki will not supply the spare parts :-(

I upload these photos to show everybody what is inside a cartridge, what can be done with a broken piece, what can you expect for your money when you send your cart for a rebuild. There are couple of companies/individuals dealing with such service but naturally they don't provide the same quality.
Regarding any cartridge rebuild you have to know the cartridge specs and its (hidden) potential.
I agree with you that this rebuilt Kiseki might not sound the same as the original but it is much cheaper to rebuild it than buying a new one and it can still sound pretty good. You can rewind the coils with silver wire, put on a ruby or boron cantilever with different diamond tip shapes so the end result might become better than the original to someone. Remember that Kiseki is a good cart but not the best and people have different musical tastes and preferences so the to someone's ears the rebuild can be better.

vencel
28-09-2012, 17:50
Despite of every confusion I hope you enjoy the photos :-)

vencel
28-09-2012, 17:53
Maybe one more comment and with this I really don't want to offend anybody. Please show me a person who will restore such a dirty, damaged cartridge and give a new life to it.

Here are some photos of a recoil carried out by a well-known cartridge repair company.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-027.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-028.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-029.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-030.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-032.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-033.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/wrong-036.jpg

vencel
28-09-2012, 17:55
and the same piece recoiled by my friend:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-039.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-040.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-041.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-042.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-043.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-045.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-046.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-047.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-048.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-049.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22181492/wrong-good/correct-055.jpg

sq225917
28-09-2012, 20:14
I struggle to believe that was done professionally by a trained repairer.

DSJR
28-09-2012, 21:16
DEEP :respect: for someone who takes such care with the re-winding.

nat8808
04-10-2012, 20:36
Out of interest, when artisan makers talk about the fancy materials they use, where are they actually used?

So is the magnet (of alnico, colbalt rareness or whatever) the grey block in the photos between the kind of guard thing and needle holding shiny metal bits? So it creates a field nearby the coils?

And what is special about the circular cylinder that the needle is mounted on? What does that part do? Is there damping going on in there (the needle appears to stretch all the way back through it, I guess for balance).

Next question, sirs, is the pole piece anything special or is it just, say, a bit of plastic? Choice of material for that is mechanical?

realysm42
04-10-2012, 20:39
What did you use to tkae the picutres, an electron microscope?!