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The Black Adder
06-09-2012, 12:24
A Universal past

The Tannoys are funny old things. They have character in a very british way. With a quite focused hot spot on the treble you have a more recessed listening zone in comparison to other general kinds of speaker designs but when your in there man… there is no getting out.

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My original cabinets were the Lancaster 's made by Tannoy in the late 60's, these cabs were approx 100ltrs with a reflex port. My Monitor golds are the 12” version of which the Lancaster cabinets is more suited to opposed to 15” MG's in Lancasters . But I had a problem. Occasionally with some recordings the lower frequencies and the mids seemed compressed sometimes and tubby sounding. After some work bracing an additional scrappy pair of cabinets and then re-foaming them it didn't cure their short comings for me. It was a shame as the Lancaster cabinets looked superb and sounded great but they were just not right.

One experiment was to take the back panel off. I felt this would basically squeeze the sound clean of any involvement but when I did… wow… what a difference. They sounded very different indeed so this confirmed to me what these speakers could sound like and the potential they have locked away. So this then got me thinking… I needed some bigger cabinets.

Some Lockwood cabinets came up for sale that looked like they would fit the bill perfectly. They are Lockwood Universal cabinets from the late 60's. They are just over 200ltrs and which to be honest I had only seen one other pair like them before.

Back in 2003 I found a website with an article about a studio down in London called Toe Rag Studios. The article was absolutely fascinating and right up my street regarding vintage equipment.

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Photo: Richard Ecclestone

Here is a link to the article:
Sound on Sound - Toe Rag Studios (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/toeragstudios.htm)

Since then I occasionally followed the studios portfolio as it was producing some superb recordings with the likes of Supergrass, The White Stripes and Hugh Cornwell to name just a few. It was this picture that was totally inspiring to me. In fact the White Stripes album Elephant was recorded here.

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Photo: The Sweet Confusion

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Yes… that is an original EMI REDD 17 mixing desk from Abbey Road of which only a couple still exist, also in there is some Studer tape machines and an amazing amount of other goodies.

Note the speaker cabinets in the pictures… Those cabinets are the Lockwood Universals with ceiling hangers.

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Back of speakers

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Photo: Richard Ecclestone - Liam and the Lockwoods

So when I saw the pictures of the advertised cabinets they had a grey/blue painted finish but I didn't realise that these were the same type as in the studio above until I got them home when I recognised the round metal hanging plate on each side.

So after a quick check I found that these were indeed the same type as the ones used in the studio. Other later universal cabinets that Lockwood made had detachable grilles of which these do not. Then I discovered that these cabinets at some point in the last few years had a paint job and that they actually a dark wood like finish underneath. I did a bit of detective work and found that the cabinets came from a small studio in Hackney.

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Stripping the old paint off

I then found some videos of artists recording in the studio to which you can see the same cabinets in the control room in the same blue/grey colour.

So after nearly 10 years of enjoying the output from Toe Rag Studios I found myself with the actual speaker cabinets that had been used there for over 10 years. A quick email (with thanks) to Liam the owner of Toe Rag Studios confirmed this.

But the story doesn't end there. I asked Liam where he originally acquired cabinets from. He purchased them from an auction when CTS studios Lansdowne (http://www.cts-lansdowne.co.uk/old/history_cts.htm) in London closed in 2000 ending a 57 year history at that location. The cabinets came from one of the projection rooms which was very interesting as they recorded a lot of soundtracks there like Casino Royale and James Bond as well as Ella Fitzgerald, Queen and Paul McCartney.

It was also very interesting to know what he had in the cabs too. They didn't have golds but 15” reds in them. He originally drove them with some Quad II's (like myself) and later changed to the transistorised 405/2. It's even more interesting to know what he replaced these behemoth speakers with which was some LS3/5A's driven by the Quad 405/2. All very nice gear indeed.

The reason for the change was that he wasn't getting an accurate picture at loud volumes with the reds and with the cabs being ported and hung from the ceiling in a small environment I can imagine this would have been the case as direct ear level monitors would probably give a much clearer image and to which the LS3/5A's are designed for. The Tannoys as previously said have a tight sweet spot.

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The Universals with 12” Monitor Golds

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In situe

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Cabinets in detail

So…a very cool history and now they are here in my home awaiting some better plinths but looking and sounding superb. The sound from the 12” MG's in these cabinets is vast, no tubbiness or anything and these really do shift some air with the recently updated crossovers too. After doing some research I found that the 12” MG's need cabinet volumes of 150 to 230ltrs so for the size of these drivers we are pretty much hitting the middle there.

Admittedly I did ask the wife if I could hang them from the ceiling but she just gave me ‘that look' to which I stepped away from but they do make magnificent domestic speakers and knowing the history of the cabinets is a great thing to have seeing as some of my all time favourite bands must have sat in front of these listening to mixes is kind of satisfying.

And then of course is the most important thing… the sound. These speakers in these cabinets reproduce music to an amazing degree of accuracy in a domestic environment. And with them placed on the floor opposed to being hung the sound is at ear level and makes for a big and un-restricted level sound stage.

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Main setup, sounding superb

Equipment used:

CROFT 25 PRE
CROFT 7R+ (Special lower powered version)
THORENS TD124 MKII
PIONEER RT-909 BLACK
TANNOY MONITOR GOLD 12”
LOCKWOOD UNIVERSAL CABINETS
CUSTOM MADE CROSSOVERS


To finish, a quote from Liam which I feel encapsulates studio production as well as home listening very well.

“You don't need to f**k around with stuff because if it sounds good in the room, if you're using the right microphones in the right positions it should sound good in the control room as well. The less you do, usually the better it sounds. Go with your gut instinct — if it sounds good, don't start worrying about 'Oh, but what if it sounded...' Resist those temptations to suddenly switch the EQ knob on and start f**king around with it, because you'll lose your way. That's what I think, anyway."

– Liam Watson – Toe Rag Studios – Quoted from SOS 2003

Thanks to:
Toe Rag Studios (http://www.toeragstudios.com/)
Richard Ecclestone (http://www.richardecclestone.com/)
The Sweet Confusion (http://www.thesweetconfusion.com/)
Tom for the cabs

More cool links here:
Toe Rag Part 1 (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/10/17/studio-tour-toerag-studios/)
Toe Rag Part 2 (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/10/23/studio-tour-toerag-studios-part-2/)
Toe Rag Part 3 (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/10/31/studio-tour-toerag-vintage-studios-part-3/)

Barry
06-09-2012, 13:15
Wow! What an excellent write up Joe.

You are very fortunate in finding a pair of ex-studio Lockwood cabinets in such good condition.

I must also congratulate you in having such a neat and tidy set up. Where are all the cables? Must be due to a female presence.

Excellent - well done.

Audioman
06-09-2012, 13:35
Very Interesting history. Certainly look superb in your listening room Joe. Just checked my CD of Hugh Cornwell's Hooverdam album and it is indeed recorded at Toerag. Some pictures of the studio in the booklet.

Ali Tait
06-09-2012, 13:53
Great story Joe, glad they're doing the business for you.

seoirse2002
06-09-2012, 14:11
Great Writeup!
Love Tannoys!!
T185s Dual Concentric are doing it for me right now...Love them:cool:

Marco
06-09-2012, 15:02
OMG, I've just wet my knickers!! :eek: :wowzer:

Utterly awesome stuff, Joe. These were worth waiting for, eh? :eyebrows:

Loved the way you've reported your new find, too, with the potted history of the studios and links to articles relating to the history of the speakers (although your first one to Toe Rag is broken). What a stunning little studio, with such quality items in it - wish they were all like that these days!

Your new cabinets look stunning in typically retro fashion (as does your room), and tick all the boxes for me. I am into the same things/looks as you are.

So when can I come for a listen? :cool:

Marco.

P.S Love the quote - that guy's got it goin' on! ;)

The Black Adder
06-09-2012, 16:03
Ta very much guys...

Yeah, great album of Hugh Cornwell's. Superb production on that album. I haven't heard anything bad come out of Toe Rag to be honest.

Yeah, it's a rare find for something as big as this in this sort of shape studio gear can get bashed about quite a bit. They have been well looked after I guess. Special thanks to Tom for these again.

Anytime Marco matey.. Just need to sort a time with the wife n that so she can take the kids out or what ever. But yeah, this time we shall frequent the pub too.

Liam is spot on, bang on the money with his studio. An amazing place. If you want something recording proper then 'that space is the place'.. :)

(Link fixed) - A great read. + Studio tour links added

sq225917
06-09-2012, 16:06
Thems is bang tidy.

The Grand Wazoo
06-09-2012, 16:31
Very nice!
Toe Rag is featured in 'Song Man', the book by Will Hodgkinson

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Jonboy
06-09-2012, 20:45
Very nice Joe you lucky bugger, Lockwoods are still on my shopping list :D

Alex_UK
07-09-2012, 07:26
Brilliant Joe, just brilliant. :) (Good to see you back as well, been a while - I can see what you've been up to now!)

The Black Adder
07-09-2012, 07:26
Thanks Jon. The Lockies really do bring out what the MG's have stored away I can tell ya. Really quite amazed by them to be honest. Just need to get some plinths made now.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for you if I see any come up.

Chris, yeah.. I have that book too. A very good read.

Barry... 'cables are not meant to be seen and certainly not heard'... lol, well for the moment anyway. Got to keep it kid friendly.

The Black Adder
07-09-2012, 07:28
Brilliant Joe, just brilliant. :) (Good to see you back as well, been a while - I can see what you've been up to now!)

Cheers Alex matey... Well, I've been taking my time with stuff but that's not all I've been up to.. more to come! :)

jandl100
07-09-2012, 08:35
Wow. A true labour of love. Well done, Joe, they look fabulous. I hope they make you very happy. I am sure that they will. :)


-- I just kinda wish that I liked Tannoys myself! :scratch:
But hey, wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same! :cool:

The Black Adder
07-09-2012, 12:44
Wow. A true labour of love. Well done, Joe, they look fabulous. I hope they make you very happy. I am sure that they will. :)


-- I just kinda wish that I liked Tannoys myself! :scratch:
But hey, wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same! :cool:

Horses for courses matey... lol

Thanks for the comment Jerry, glad you enjoyed.

walpurgis
07-09-2012, 22:03
Love anything to do with Tannoys and this is a really great job. The Lockwood cabinets look superbly 'of their time' and beautifully restored. Bet they sound as good as they look. You've put me to shame as my own Tannoy project has temporarily ground to a halt!

nat8808
09-09-2012, 02:02
Lockwood cabinets really are nice aren't they. Do they use formica as a covering or is it real veneer?

The sound on sound archive should be explored more by people here if they haven't already - I find it fascinating. Reading about people's studios and how they make or produce music preceded my hifi fascination but hifi is more usable and practical unless you have a space for a studio, unfortunately .. :(

The Black Adder
09-09-2012, 09:40
They used Formica on these I have. Come up lovely with some polish although I am looking for other suggestions on how to look after Formica if there is anything.

Great place to find information is the SOS. Some great articles too.

walpurgis
09-09-2012, 10:09
Formica doesn't really need looking after, just an occasional polish.

I've seen Lockwood cabinets where the owner has stripped the formica off and veneered them. Spoils the whole look in my view, they just end up looking like another old fashioned wood box speaker. The formica has a certain unique character and I like it! And yes I know Lockwood offer veneer finishes at the moment.

The Grand Wazoo
09-09-2012, 10:23
I think we discussed on AoS some time ago, that formica is actually likely to benefit the sound significantly - I'd find the discussion, but I'm not sure I can find the time right now.

tannoy man
09-09-2012, 10:58
Fantastic Looking System;)

The Black Adder
10-09-2012, 19:10
I think we discussed on AoS some time ago, that formica is actually likely to benefit the sound significantly - I'd find the discussion, but I'm not sure I can find the time right now.

Hi Chris.

Did you find the thread about this? - Be interesting to know.

The Formica is really thick stuff too. I suppose this adds to the weight as they are 'very' heavy indeed.

Some more info is that behind the grill material it's got a foam backing... probably to do with sound deadening.

Cheers Paul.. glad you enjoyed.

The Grand Wazoo
10-09-2012, 20:05
I'll take a look now.
I thought it would be good because I know old formica to be an incredibly dense and rigid material & I thought it would probably be stiffer than a wood veneer. Turns out that others who know Tannoys better than me agreed.

The Grand Wazoo
10-09-2012, 20:08
Here it is - Lockwood Majors by adrian (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12937&page=2)

The Black Adder
10-09-2012, 20:40
Blimey.. That's new to me... Cheers for that matey.

The Grand Wazoo
10-09-2012, 20:47
You're welcome!

Reid Malenfant
10-09-2012, 21:04
Lovely job on the speakers Joe, they now look superb :) Nice start to a thread to fella! An interesting & entertaining reed I might add...


Welcome to the world of wardrobes, or is it coffins? :rfl:


Don't worry, I'll be joining you soon enough :cool:

anthonyTD
10-09-2012, 21:29
Great job Joe, good luck with them, and here's to many hours of musical pleasure.:)
Anthony,TD...

The Black Adder
11-09-2012, 16:11
Thanks fellas.

What I want to do now is try Marco's Copper amp jobbie with them... just out of pure perversity of course.. lol

Marco
11-09-2012, 16:59
Lol - we'll do that... Should be interesting! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Techno Commander
12-09-2012, 10:45
Excellent write up and good detective work.

RichB
12-09-2012, 12:23
+1, a well written and interesting thread this, you must be rightly chuffed!

The Black Adder
12-09-2012, 13:42
Thanks fellas. Yeah, well chuffed. Totally transformed the sound. Just need to get some semi-final tweeks done to the crossovers now and I'll leave it there for some years.

Oh and a dedicated mains... Oh and a new dac... a tone arm re-wire, and SPU cart... oh, bugger! They will have to wait... lol