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StanleyB
03-09-2012, 17:56
So Bruce Willis is considering a legal bid to bequeath his iTunes library. That's after he discovered that anything "bought" from iTunes doesn't actually belong to the purchaser. The fact is that you are borrowing the content and have no legal rights to ownership.

I have refused to switch from CD to music downloads that I do not end up owning. But how many of you guys have given any of this some consideration? Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?
bobbasrah
03-09-2012, 18:28
So Bruce Willis is considering a legal bid to bequeath his iTunes library. That's after he discovered that anything "bought" from iTunes doesn't actually belong to the purchaser. The fact is that you are borrowing the content and have no legal rights to ownership.

I have refused to switch from CD to music downloads that I do not end up owning. But how many of you guys have given any of this some consideration? Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?

Totally agree Stan, I have enough issues as is with buying multiple copyright without contemplating Apple's ethics... And yet it has flourished...:mental:

PS - Meant to say it is one of the only things about Bruce Willis things I admire... He's as tight as a duck's arse.... Pretty damning coming from a Scot....
synsei
03-09-2012, 18:48
It will be interesting to see what happens if he wins... :)
WAD62
03-09-2012, 18:55
So Bruce Willis is considering a legal bid to bequeath his iTunes library. That's after he discovered that anything "bought" from iTunes doesn't actually belong to the purchaser. The fact is that you are borrowing the content and have no legal rights to ownership.

I have refused to switch from CD to music downloads that I do not end up owning. But how many of you guys have given any of this some consideration? Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?

Likewise Stan, a CD is often cheaper, I get the artwork, and I have a permanent backup...not sure why anyone buys downloads ;)
StanleyB
03-09-2012, 19:04
It will be interesting to see what happens if he wins... :)
Hi isn't Clint Eastwood so there won't be an empty chair in the house when/if it gets to court.
Spectral Morn
03-09-2012, 19:07
So Bruce Willis is considering a legal bid to bequeath his iTunes library. That's after he discovered that anything "bought" from iTunes doesn't actually belong to the purchaser. The fact is that you are borrowing the content and have no legal rights to ownership.

I have refused to switch from CD to music downloads that I do not end up owning. But how many of you guys have given any of this some consideration? Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?

Very interesting and the same is true of books on Kindle as well - apparently.

I just can't get my head round paying for something that is virtual and you don't own - crazy :mental:
bobbasrah
03-09-2012, 19:12
Very interesting and the same is true of books on Kindle as well - apparently.

I just can't get my head round paying for something that is virtual and you don't own - crazy :mental:

Think of that come the next election....... Only in the UK.....:D
bobbasrah
03-09-2012, 19:14
Hi isn't Clint Eastwood so there won't be an empty chair in the house when/if it gets to court.

And so long as he is not invited to slur in support a political party...;)
ZebuTheOxen
03-09-2012, 21:15
The type of person to think about and be concerned by these issues are not the kind of people who buy Apple music devices.


Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the CD instead of renting it from iTunes?
Without question; yes!
Being able to get the music, store it safely, and easily change it to any format required is infinitely better than iTunes.

Without turning into an Apple-bashing thread, it's important to remember what Steve Jobs (and Apple as a whole) was aiming for when he devised iTunes and the App store.

Jobs realised that content producers (or in the case of music, the labels) would not play ball unless he could guarantee:
1) Their music would not be stolen using his service
2) They would be fairly compensated
3) They could enforce whatever draconian nonsense they fancied
And so, Jobs set up the ecosystem, the labels saw it was safe to play in his walled garden and the service flourished. People have bought entire libraries of music which will not transfer to other platforms easily, and at a significantly lower quality than a CD.

Rinse and repeat for the App store.

Jobs figured out a way of making people pay more for reduced functionality, and that is amazing.
Beechwoods
03-09-2012, 21:16
Good story, but complete bollocks... at least according to Bruce Willis' wife:

https://twitter.com/EmmaHeming/statuses/242631258310594562

iTunes Store terms don't prevent transferability of Music, and since the iTunes Store moved to non-DRM / 'iTunes Plus' content, there's no physical impediment to transferability.

I guess a bit of good old fashioned fact-checking doesn't get in the way of a headline for The Sun and The Daily Mail!
StanleyB
03-09-2012, 21:30
i watched a news item on the iTunes store terms and conditions with the relevant bits highlighted. I am afraid to say Nick that it is hidden away in the terms that ownership of the downloaded music cannot be transferred to anyone else.
northwest
03-09-2012, 21:34
Jobs figured out a way of making people pay more for reduced functionality, and that is amazing.

Despite all of the heinous crimes we accuse Apple - and by implication, Steve Jobs of - you just have to take your hat off to the man. Off the back of Napster was born "safe" and "legal" iTunes.

Amazing really.
Beechwoods
04-09-2012, 07:25
i watched a news item on the iTunes store terms and conditions with the relevant bits highlighted. I am afraid to say Nick that it is hidden away in the terms that ownership of the downloaded music cannot be transferred to anyone else.

Check it out yourself, transferability clauses only apply to Apps and Books.

http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html

Anyway, it's just a point of detail...
Martinh
04-09-2012, 07:49
I believe that this is another Apple story that was designed to test the gullibility of the tech press and to show that they just report on stuff without checking the credibility of the source or the facts.

Last week, it was something about Apple designing a new type of screw head for the new iPhone. Once the "rumour" was out, it spread very quickly. The originators just did it for a bit of fun.
PLINIUS
04-09-2012, 11:58
So Bruce Willis is considering a legal bid to bequeath his iTunes library. That's after he discovered that anything "bought" from iTunes doesn't actually belong to the purchaser. The fact is that you are borrowing the content and have no legal rights to ownership.

I have refused to switch from CD to music downloads that I do not end up owning. But how many of you guys have given any of this some consideration? Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?
Unfortunately the C.D. would appear to be under an unnessesarily hasty Death Sentice. Look for a announcement on the Future of C.D. before Xmass.
So your post is very timely:D
synsei
04-09-2012, 12:03
That bodes well for the future of vinyl sales then. Vinyl is dead, long live vinyl... ;)
Martinh
04-09-2012, 12:18
A hi-res version of Spotify, which had everything available would suit me. I can't see the point of owning anything if you have unlimited access and the quality and price is right ( around £10 per month).

At the moment, I buy most of my CDs from Amazon for a couple of quid delivered and rip them myself.

Incidentally, is there anywhere to buy FLAC music downloads, apart from Linn Records?
PLINIUS
05-09-2012, 19:37
That bodes well for the future of vinyl sales then. Vinyl is dead, long live vinyl... ;)
We live in hope:hifive:
Tim
05-09-2012, 19:59
Incidentally, is there anywhere to buy FLAC music downloads, apart from Linn Records?
There are loads Martin, just Google 'flac music downloads'

Many artists/bands sell FLAC direct from their websites, I have purchased a lot this way. I also use Bandcamp (http://bandcamp.com/) a lot and have bought from Naim (http://www.naimlabel.com/) as well.
krugdoktor
06-09-2012, 07:01
Try this link

http://www.dreamstreaming.info/
Martinh
06-09-2012, 07:13
Try this link

http://www.dreamstreaming.info/

Thanks chaps, will check it out.
Nevalti
28-09-2012, 18:08
............. Isn't it cheaper in the long run just to buy the Cd instead of renting it from iTunes?

Especially if you buy them second hand on eBay. There's some good stuff to be had for peanuts.

CDs theoretically deteriorate but I only have three in my collection that have any audible problems.