Vinyl ?? whats going on ?

[Audio Al]

Vinyl , whats happening :stalks:

I have been listening to some old LP's all boot sale finds

I then came across a 12" single

Polydor POSPX807

My GOD :stalks: I thought I was listening to someone else's Record system

Its amazing , the sound is Vibrant , vocals amazing , bass is full and bold , mid range is wonderful

The track is " Ain't nothing going on but the rent " Gwen Guthrie / Polydore records 1986

Why is it so different , Its the same TT -Amp - Speakers but is unbelievably clear and clean ,

I am gob smacked

someone please enlighten me as to why it sound so good ,

I cant work it out :scratch:

[anthonyTD]

Vinyl , whats happening :stalks:

I have been listening to some old LP's all boot sale finds

I then came across a 12" single

Polydor POSPX807

My GOD :stalks: I thought I was listening to someone else's Record system

Its amazing , the sound is Vibrant , vocals amazing , bass is full and bold , mid range is wonderful

The track is " Ain't nothing going on but the rent "

Why is it so different , Its the same TT -Amp - Speakers but is unbelievably clear and clean ,

I am gob smacked

someone please enlighten me as to why it sound so good ,

I cant work it out :scratch:
12" singles always have the ability to sound better than regularly recorded LP's due to more room for better defined/cut grooves, which makes for better dynamic capabilty etc, and i know what you mean, i have sevral great 12" singles that i play once in a while just to remind me how good vinyl can be.

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[cuddles]

Plenty of space on 12'' for nice loud mastering with great dynamic range. My copy of 'American Girl' by Tom Petty is the loudest record known to man. I remember my long lost copy of 'Pscho Killer' sounding awsome too.

12'' 45's - your vinyl friends ;)

[anthonyTD]

Something of interest on the subject.
http://www.musicmattersjazz.com/sound.html#Why

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[Audio Al]

Ok

All is now clear

Looks like I will be hunting for 12" LP from now on , the difference is like chalk and cheese as they say :eyebrows:

Thanks :D:D

[chelsea]

Yes 12" singles are cool.
Always annoys me when you get an album with 6 or 7 tracks on per side and your favourite is the last track.

[julesd68]

I bought that 12" when it came out and it wasn't exceptional in terms of sound quality! What I mean by that is that there were so many well produced soul / dance 12" singles at the time - quality was the norm. I've got hundreds of them collecting dust at my mum's house!! I, and many others, used to think that the American releases were superior quality to the UK ones - they used to have thicker vinyl so we'd buy the U.S. imports ...

See if you can get hold of Millie Scott - "Every little bit" - that was one of my "test records" of that era ...

[synsei]

I have a 12" 33 1/3 EP by Mettalica where the entire A side is dedicated to Enter Sandman. It's the best sounding record I've ever heard and by gum its loud :stalks:

[DSJR]

Cutting 12" singles meant that where possible, limiters etc could be switched off on the cut and if the original master allowed it, a stunning sound. Mind you, the difference between 12" mixes and stock album tracks are just as clear to hear on CD as well.

Trouble for me for years was, once exposed to the 12" mixes as played on a half decent turntable and then hearing the master tape that cut the 12" on a couple of occasions, it put me off vinyl for years as a proper high fidelity (to the original) source, 'cos it ain't in the purest definition of the term. Only in recent years have I been able to take the format seriously and realise that many old LP's were designed as closely as possible to be the final stage of the mastering process and just hearing the tape played "flat," or a nearly identical CD dub made from this tape without alteration, isn't always the best way to hear the music as intended.

.....And that's where Decca's and their ilk come along. Sure they're not conventional in their reproduction, compared to the rose tinted halo-effect that so many "Top End" pickups give, but if it's there in the LP, a good fettled Decca will give it, and even more again with the 12" single at 45rpm :)

[Lodgesound]

Agree with you there Dave although some of those 12" singles from the 80's could sound so good.

I have heard 2 track masters of some 12" singles and you are indeed right- they can sound utterly sublime. I have a couple in my archive and will post a vid in the "reel to reel in action" section of one of them playing back in the next few days. The sound on the vid will be directly from the machine and I will endeavour to apply as little compression to the audio as possible.

[daytona600]

try a get a hold of some Yello 12inchers Superb

[Lodgesound]

Yes indeed - Yello 12" singles always sounded incredible......you should have heard some of the masters they made!!!.....

Boris Blank was obsessive about sound quality and apparently spent hours mixing their records.

[chelsea]

There lps are a bit tasty to.

[MartinT]

Yes indeed - Yello LPs and 12" singles are all stunning.

Play Tied Up from Flag and you will discover all that you need to know about how your system is performing: huge midrange detail, treble energy, bass pulses, amazing dynamics, big wide soundstage, complexity. A fantastic track to listen to.

[Audio Al]

I cant find any reference to Yello flag :scratch:

[DSJR]

There lps are a bit tasty to.

So are the CD's :lol: I wonder how different the final CD is from the master?

The Alan Parsons produced test CD (filled with frequency warbles etc..) has a few seconds from "The Race" on it, and there's far more bass on this sample than on the official CD. Different mix or a bit of added eq?

[Audio Al]

Is this the track ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR2H0flGasA

:)

[DSJR]

No, this one -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqoQHCNIKTg

[Beechwoods]

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[Audio Al]

OK Thanks

I will keep a eye out for the album version

[MartinT]

This is the 7" single version of Tied Up, but it's a different mix from the album track:

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and this is the same version on Spotify:

spotify:track:006oZXt7hjGFfwJqWtN5X8

Unfortunately, if you want the real deal (and I do recommend it), you'll need the album Flag (it's well worth buying):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flag-Yello/dp/B00004SE8B/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1345394709&sr=8-34

[nat8808]

45s will often sound more alive and dynamic, ignoring the space aspect, simply because it is going faster and so there is more kinetic energy to transfer to the needle.

That means a higher maximum energy for the loud bits and so you then get a greater range of energies below that to fit in the rest - i.e. you get more detail in terms of volume, a bit like increasing bit-depth in digital.