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Mr Perceptive
14-08-2012, 21:24
After being hassled recently by Jerry, I've now put finger to iPad and written a review.

Prior to a recent divorce my monster Meridian/Shahinian System was sold, those that heard it the first Wigwam show will attest that it did loud and very dynamic very well. Also left the family home, a large hilltop farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, so a more modest system had to be acquired to suit my new surroundings - a terraced barn conversion in the centre of a village.

First purchase was a pair of Mackie HR624 MkIIs (no doubt Jerry will want a review on these but he will have to wait!). I'd always liked Mackies and at £580 for the pair (new) represented a bit of a steal. So that was speakers and power amps sorted, I had managed to retain a variety of Squeezey devices and still had my trusty Tranquil WHS, so it was a DAC with a volume control that was on the shopping list, didn't want to use the SBT volume control for 'critical' listening.

After trawling the net I had a short list of suitable DACs up to about £1500 (a value already £300 over my target budget). So here is the audition list and one liner comments (all IMHO):-

Emotive XDA (£300) - a fun piece of kit, did a lot of things right, but ultimately lacking in detail, a lot of box for the money and a remote that was handcrafted from unobtainium, very substantial.

Audiolab M-DAC (£600) - the current PFM fanboys favourite, now I wanted to like this as it met all my input criteria and was half my budget, boy was I disappointed, shrill, lacking in bass weight, just generally nasty, not my taste I'm afraid.

Wryed4Sound DAC2 (£1200) - enjoyable, foot tapping device, I could quite happily live with one of these, however it had a forced drive to the upper bass, which meant that the music boogied along, but it was a bit like having a loudness button pressed all the time.

NAD M51 (£1500) - Interesting functionality, capable of stripping high res audio off HDMI, but just bland to listen to, didn't excite, up samples to something ridiculous and had a 35 bit volume control!

Bruson HD160 (£I don't know, does £800 sound about right) - designed as a headphone preamp with DAC, this was just dull, very lifeless.

Then onto the Leema, initial impressions are that it seemed not to be there, ie just transparent, it just got on with it's job of being a DAC with an analogue volume control, did I mention that, yes it has a real Analogue volume control, not one of those digital dithering things that you're never sure hasn't lost some data. It also has a single analogue input ideal for those with legacy black skinny things (only joking.....).

So the full range of inputs is:-
1 x analogue
3 x optical 24/96
3 x coax 24/192
1 x USB 24/192

Outputs are balanced, unbalanced and headphone.

Currently I'm using SBT into coax, Oppo93 into coax and TV into optical. I would be using a further optical if the BT Vision box would ever stop doing a software update!

I've installed the Triode Enhanced Digital Output on the SBT and can stream up to 24/192 into the coax of the Leema. I haven't used the USB output yet, don't really want a noisy computer in the same room.

Now onto the review. I've had my unit for about 5 weeks, during that time it has been used approx 8 hours average per day, that probably sums it up, you just don't want to stop listening. I've used the balanced outputs and headphones, both are amazingly transparent, the level of detail that the Leema drags out of the recording whether it is Red Book or High Res is just astonishing and it is just so musical, or rather it isn't, it lets the original recording be heard the way it was intended to.

It has the uncanny habit of making my speakers disappear even on mundane TV broadcasts and does the same with the headphones, several times, I've had to force myself to bed in the small hours, as I just wanted to keep on playing more material.

Now I've probably owned a dozen DACs including some high end Meridian processors and heard dozens more and this one in my view stands head and shoulders above all of them. The other thing that is very telling is like all good systems it is happy with all genres/types of music and also handles less good recordings well. This is very important as I want to dictate the type of music that I want to listen to and not have the system dictate it.

High res recordings come across as very detailed, which is expected, and at no time does the Leema DAC draw attention to itself. Also it has never failed to lock up to anything even those apparently very jittery TV optical outs, and Leema state that they design the power supply to be the best that the unit requires as they don't believe in external PSU upgrades.

I can quite categorically say that this is one of the best bits of audio replay equipment that I've ever bought and it will take something special to get me to part with it. If you are in the market for a DAC around the £1200 price point especially if you want some pre-amp functionality then I urge you to get a listen to this DAC.

roob
14-08-2012, 22:47
Audiolab M-DAC (£600) - the current PFM fanboys favourite, now I wanted to like this as it met all my input criteria and was half my budget, boy was I disappointed, shrill, lacking in bass weight, just generally nasty, not my taste I'm afraid.
I see from your list you have not tried the current AoS fanbois favourite, beats everything according to Jerry. :)

Mr Perceptive
14-08-2012, 22:55
Wanted in built volume control, and ideally balanced outputs. The reasons why the Rega DAC wasn't short listed

MCRU
15-08-2012, 13:17
Hi,
Just being nosy, has your Touch got the original SMPS wall wart or have you got a better PSU, reason for asking is your comments about the M-DAC are highly irregular, I am using it myself with the touch which has the enhanced digital output and a linear psu and it sounds excellent.

I have used the M-DAC in 6 or 7 different systems and it out performed almost everything I have heard, once the filters had been set to suit what was playing, another thing most people miss is the tweakability of it. It does sound different depending on what cables you use too, shrill is not a comment I have ever heard about the M-Dac.

Having met Mallory from Leema I knew his DAC was rather good as well so hats off to you for also liking it.

Mr Perceptive
15-08-2012, 16:11
My SBT has EDO but the original wall wart, though it is plugged into a different outlet from the rest of my system. A revised PSU for the SBT is on my radar, but I really need to be convinced that the digital output really benefits.

I heard the MDAC at Item Audio using one of their Aune Streamers using my FLAC files. I just didn't like the sound of the MDAC, though we didn't play around of filters, I just let Mark at Item run the demo.

Given the hassle a lot of people are having with the MDAC on another forum, I think I made the right choice, also Leema are firm believers of getting the power supply right from the off, the proposed MPAX upgrade for the MDAC sounds awkward with units going to have to shipped to Czech Republic for the upgrade, also when the MPAX cost is factored in, it will be a similar cost to the Leema and I still have a proper volume control, and since the designer of the MDAC admits it can get lossy beneath a certain setting, I'm not really sure that it is up to being a 'Giant killer', as many owners believe.

The Leema is a stunning piece of kit! I'd be happy to visit you with it, and you can get to hear it and attempt to persuade me that an SBT PSU upgrade is really worthwhile.

Mr Perceptive
15-08-2012, 16:12
And setting the filters to suit what is playing doesn't appeal, I just want my system to play any genre of music!

MCRU
15-08-2012, 21:44
My SBT has EDO but the original wall wart, though it is plugged into a different outlet from the rest of my system. A revised PSU for the SBT is on my radar, but I really need to be convinced that the digital output really benefits.

I heard the MDAC at Item Audio using one of their Aune Streamers using my FLAC files. I just didn't like the sound of the MDAC, though we didn't play around of filters, I just let Mark at Item run the demo.

Given the hassle a lot of people are having with the MDAC on another forum, I think I made the right choice, also Leema are firm believers of getting the power supply right from the off, the proposed MPAX upgrade for the MDAC sounds awkward with units going to have to shipped to Czech Republic for the upgrade, also when the MPAX cost is factored in, it will be a similar cost to the Leema and I still have a proper volume control, and since the designer of the MDAC admits it can get lossy beneath a certain setting, I'm not really sure that it is up to being a 'Giant killer', as many owners believe.

The Leema is a stunning piece of kit! I'd be happy to visit you with it, and you can get to hear it and attempt to persuade me that an SBT PSU upgrade is really worthwhile.

That would be nice as I have the m-dac to compare it to? Discussing the touch power supply with the designer the other day we agreed that the supplied smps is one of the worst we have ever heard, so happy to let you listen to my touch and psu, even my 10 year old daughter can tell the difference!

Mr Perceptive
15-08-2012, 22:16
OK, busy at work next couple of weeks, but I'll get in touch early Sept to arrange a visit.

jandl100
17-08-2012, 07:03
Great review :thumbsup: -- shame about the lack of photos, though. :(
:eyebrows:

I have to agree about the Audiolab MDAC, a bit shrill and grainy to my ears. I couldn't live with it.

So how much did the Leema set you back? - you gave prices for the other gear you auditioned.

I used to have Leema Xavier speakers and absolutely loved them - probably the best cone/dome in a box speaker I have owned. I know, I know -- different type of product to your DAC, but it does show that I appreciate Leema's approach to music reproduction. :)

Mr Perceptive
17-08-2012, 07:19
Leema RRP is £1200 ;)

Its difficult to photograph a black box with a backlight panel!

jandl100
17-08-2012, 07:28
.... If you are in the market for a DAC around the £1200 price point especially if you want some pre-amp functionality then I urge you to get a listen to this DAC.

Ah, well, yes -- OK. :oops: But the statement didn't definitively say that it cost £1200. :D

and hey, photos of black boxes is what some hifi forums are all about :lol:

falcoron
24-08-2012, 11:17
i have had a lot of dacs in my system, best of the lot was a hand made afair by a freind who now makes these to order (valve dac). Had to sell that to buy a good pre amp i was after so was dacless for a bit. Looked around and tried loads, nothing! and i do mean nothing of the usual suspects where near the valve dac i had and some made no difference to the Squeezebox touch at all, so why buy a dac for it? The dac im the SBT is straightforward but decent enough given the comparisons on the market upto and inc £1k ones.
Now i have to state i have not heard the leema and im sure it's very good. But at under £200 the Beresford Bushmaster is the bargain of the decade.!
Its a super wee dac and the sound im getting in my system is astounding. If it gets better with time ( 2 weeks old) and again with a linear PSU then im in for a sonic treat. No USB but berhinger do one that will plug in for £21
This is the best £200 i have "ever" spent on hi fi. And one i am happy to keep for a considerable time. I would honestly put this up against anything up to £2k. I have had it better some nice AN dac's and it trounces the M dac and the rega arcam and MF M1 offerings by a huge margin. Add the headphone bit ( dont know if its any good or not) and there you go.
All my opinion of course.
Good luck with the Leema you seem as happy as i am with my bushmaster :)

Mr Perceptive
24-08-2012, 18:53
Opinion accepted, the Bushmaster did not meet my requirements as I wanted one with an pre built in.

I'd be quite happy to put the Leema up against much more expensive DACs as well (IMO the Leema also trounces, by a long long way the MDAC), it also has a very good headphone amp.

It's all horses for courses, having owned 5K + Meridian Processors, I'd quite happily say that the Leema Elements DAC is a bit of a giant killer as well. The dealer I bought it from, has found that every one that's gone out on loan, hasn't come back, and in some cases it has replaced 5K's worth of DAC and Pre.

nickbaba
23-09-2012, 22:40
Hi David - I just wanted to say that I recently purchased the Leema DAC, a choice partly influenced by your glowing review here, as well as extensive research elsewhere. Found a good price on an ex-demo model which had only had minimal use.
I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion of it, and have been more than happy with it. It's a fantastic bit of audio kit and I can't see why I would want or need to change it anytime soon.
Currently its running sound from the sky box via optical and from my iPod via the digital co-ax out of a Pure iPod dock (wavs and aiffs only) and everything sounds fantastic. I agree that it simply gets out of the way and lets you hear the music. I would not hesitate to recommend it.
Cheers, Nick.

Fulci
31-01-2013, 16:02
Have you got the chance to compare it to any other DAC, Nick? The Bushmaster maybe?

Audioman
03-02-2013, 13:54
Just researched this. The Leema is cheap by Leema standards but is quite expensive unless you want a digital pre-amp. I think most people would be better off with a nice valve pre-amp and Beresford dac for less money.

MCRU
03-02-2013, 15:52
All DAC's trounce other DAC's in different systems, I mean we all have different ideas about what sound we like and add that to the variables that are people's tastes in music and sound and you have 100's of DAC's that everyone will proclaim as being the holy grail when in fact the man next door will say his sounds better and vice versa, I cannot see any real point in stating " my dac trounces this DAC" it is what feeds the DAC as well don't forget and then there is usb versus s-pdif and flac versus wav and now even DSD, it's a total minefield, I am sure the Leema DAC is brilliant as I spent some time with Mallory last year and he is a clever guy but his DAC won't suit everyone otherwise all the other DAC makers may as well pack up and go home.

BTW the bushmaster is nowhere near it's full potential without Nick Gorham's PSU.