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Tim
12-08-2012, 17:25
HRT Music Streamer II+ and Rega DAC

A short comparison of the above two DAC's, both of which I own.

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Well this is something John (Welder) asked me to do sometime ago and what with moving home and family illnesses, it has been sat on the back burner. But this afternoon I found myself with some spare time due to the athletics finishing, so I thought I would try the HRT DAC in my main system. Up to now it had only been used in my headphone system.

As some may remember, I had major problems setting up the HRT playing music from my desktop computer, but I got some help from HRT themselves by email (very promptly I might add) and the main issue was a conflict with foobar2000 due to the asynchronous operation of the HRT.

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Anyway, no such problems today with JRiver, the HRT was literally 'plug and play' with no issues whatsoever. My Windows 7 music server recognised it immediately and JRiver needed no configuration for it to recognise the unit and start playing music.

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The HRT has a single Asynchronous USB input and draws all the power it needs from this connection, there is no need to power it further in a simple setup. It will also natively play high-resolution files up to 24/96k. So how does it sound compared to a Rega DAC? Well its sound has been written about elsewhere on the forum in the form of an HRT Music Streamer II, so I won't labour it too much. The two HRT DAC's are very similar, with the II+ bringing a bit more to the party, mostly in bass and refinement. Hooked up to my music server and Brio-R playing 'Paper Airplane' by Alison Krauss and Union Station the DAC has a somewhat bright and slightly dry sound compared to the Rega. Alison's voice was not as liquid as it normally is and the acoustic guitar sounded more forward and clinical. If you like the Monitor Audio house sound, which I would describe as 'modern and lively' then the HRT won't disappoint. It certainly produces very fine music in a very coherent and detailed way, but the soundstage was not as open or natural as that produced by the Rega. But it does have a very satisfying delivery, especially if you favour a lively dynamic sound. Partnered with my Sennheiser HD650 headphones and M-Stage headamp the HRT is perfect as it compensates for the slightly laid back sound of the Sennheisers, providing plenty of punch and is a very engaging listen over headphones. But in my main system it lacks the weight and authority of the Rega, which has a more natural and analogue sound, plus a much wider and open soundstage.

What you do have to bear in mind though is that the HRT is £289 and the Rega £500. Having said that, both DAC's IMO punch well above their weight, but in my main system I prefer the more organic valve like Rega house sound. The HRT could become fatiguing for me after a few hours, whereas I can (and often do) listen to my main system all day long, the Rega is an easier listen if that makes sense? With my two Rega's together and Harbeth speakers the matching seems well suited to my musical tastes, but I do really enjoy the HRT in my headphone system. So as with anything in this field, matching components is essential and the Rega DAC may not work as well paired with other amplifiers as it does here, but it has clearly been designed with the Brio-R in mind, producing a wonderfully warm natural sound which places the music around you, as opposed to in front of you. This won't suit everyone, but it suits me. It would be interesting to hear what the HRT Music Streamer Pro sounds like, as I am still very impressed with HRT DAC's, mainly for their simplicity, very small footprint and ability to be powered from a single USB port. You could easily slip one in your pocket and take it round a mates to allow them to hear what's possible when it comes to playing music from a computer.

So to sum up, I still believe the HRT is excellent value for money and hooked up to a USB port on most computers, it's capable of producing great music for very little money and well beyond what a similarly priced CD player will give you, but the HRT II+ is no match for the Rega in my system - but then I would have been disappointed if it had been considering the price difference. It can at times be tricky to setup on some computers, especially with foobar2000 but with Windows 7 and JRiver it was a breeze and well worth the effort in foobar. These mismatches are however not the norm and it will depend on what machine you have and your USB port will need to be able to supply sufficient power, which on some laptops can be an issue, especially if you have other devices using the same bus.

Other reading (note this thread mainly concerns the £159.00 HRT Music Streamer II)
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14144&highlight=hrtmusic+streamer


In this comparison;
HRT Music Streamer II+
Rega DAC
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SSD Music Server - Windows 7 64bit - FLAC
JRiver Music Center 17
Rega Brio-R
Harbeth SHL5
Mark Grant cables.

brian2957
12-08-2012, 17:41
Really enjoyed this Tim , thanks for taking the time to pass this on . Is that your new music server , if so it looks tiny. Very nice :) I did consider the HRT at one stage, but went for the Caiman instead and was not disappointed . If your conclusion had been that the HRT and the Rega DAC were similar I certainly would have looked more into the HRT . I have heard the Rega DAC and Brio R with their RS3 speakers and and this combination is very good indeed . I can see myself going down the Rega path when / if funds ever become available .

Tim
12-08-2012, 18:04
Is that your new music server . . .
Yes Brian, partly anyway that's the new Wesena case, as you say very small and totally silent, but all it does is play audio. I have still to build v3 of the server, which will be it for sometime as I'm pretty much where I want to be now.

My two Rega's together sound very good indeed - the Rega sound isn't to everyone's liking but I love it, very natural and warm especially with the Harbeths. Their wonderful midrange is perfect for female vocal, which seems to be what I listen to and buy the most these days.

Gazjam
13-08-2012, 10:39
Nice wee server case Tim, like it!

DSJR
13-08-2012, 12:15
The Rega DAC is designed, "voiced" and "compromised" by valve and vinyl lovers***, it's consistent and with no issues from system to system and should have a long and reliable service life. I know there are some well recieved DAC's at £200 or less now, but the Rega has service advantages and should hold its value well in future years, helping to offset its higher and dealer bought price - IMO.

*** All designs have compromises of some sort and a great design in any field shifts these around to be as innocuous as possible to the end user. If the Rega DAC has slight added "warmth," that's no worse than most of the vinyl we play and in this case, it's presented with power (like many of the best top end players) and not stodge, as so many "analoguey" DACs and players did in the past (yes Meridian of old and Philips Bitstream...). I still think it's the audio output and filtering side and the power supplies to this that makes all the difference in DAC's old and new and this may cost.....

Welder
13-08-2012, 19:55
Interesting Tim, Thanks. :)

I have to agree about the narrower sound stage and I don’t believe this is just in comparison to the Rega, I think it’s a bit of an HRT trait.
I thought the step up from the basic streamer to the 11+ probably wasn’t worth the money.

I hated the HRT Pro when I first got it. I could hear some extra detail and to my ears it seemed unbalanced. I had to adjust the high range crossover to give around 3db less and that seemed to help with the extra high range frequencies that can make it seem more bright than detailed.
I thought that an independent power supply did make a difference with the HRT Pro.
I love it now. But, once you’ve messed about with the Mini XLR connectors/leads it probably works out as expensive as the Rega.
Still, I can probably say with some confidence that if you preferred the Rega in your main system you won’t like the HRT Pro. :)


Interesting that you had those problems with foobar and not JRiver; I might have another look at JRiver for my Windows set up. :scratch:

Tim
13-08-2012, 20:37
Interesting that you had those problems with foobar and not JRiver; I might have another look at JRiver for my Windows set up. :scratch:
I'm really sold on JRiver John and I hate spending money if I don't have to, but to me not only is its functionality far superior to foobar, but it sounds better too - well to my old ears it does and that's all that interests me. I really wanted to stay with foobar, but JRiver is a more complete product.

Interesting what you say about the HRT Pro in my system - I think I may still try to hear one, just to satisfy my curiosity :scratch: I still think they are great products.

Alex_UK
13-08-2012, 20:44
John - give JRiver Media Jukebox a go for free - I can't comment compared to the "full fat" JRiver but I found it better than Foobar (and not just because I got my (now sold) HRT Streamer to work!) - not only sound quality but ease of use.

Good review, Tim - I only compared the standard HRT to the Rega briefly, but the HRT lost. Even more of an unfair fight, though!

RichB
13-08-2012, 21:08
a tidy little server that is Tim, have you thought about a usb/spdiff converter... the rega really comes into its own fed by digital coax... i have a noisy old pc with coax and it sounds way better than my laptop via usb (again using foobar).

Have you experimented with cables between the rega dac and the brio? I've tried a whole bunch before going for a rega couple clone (Klotz AC110), getting the link right between these two bits is absolutely key i reckon. I've never known two components to be so picky about their link as the dac and the brio. Are you using mark grant interconnects, how did they compare with any others you've tried? If you like to try my clone then just let me know... you'd be amazed at the difference it makes and one can be built for a fraction of the cost.

Tim
14-08-2012, 14:24
Hi Rich,

I have only tried a few interconnects with the Rega's and there was a marked difference in the 2 MG cables I tried. I have also tried a few Chord Co. ones and didn't like them, too bright and also strangled the sound somewhat. I do recall Dave (DSJR) mentioning Klotz sometime in the past and had forgotten about them, so I looks like I should try them out....... you have a PM ;)

realysm42
14-08-2012, 19:32
Tim, I'd just like to say thank you for this thread; might not be for strictly the right reasons though; for some reason it gave me the idea to try J River and thank f*ck I did, it's solved so many issues I've had with my library it's untrue and it's a great bit of software besides!

:eek:/:cool:

*plus* I got it to pass the bit perfect test on my dac with no hassle and it's got none of the playback issues I had with Foobar, it's frankly amazing and I'll be buying it come payday!

Tim
14-08-2012, 20:23
Thats great news Martin, I really like foobar and I still use it for tagging occasionally, but JRiver is my player of choice now, well worth the money.

Here's a tip - I trialled it and used to get marketing emails. When I didn't buy it after the trial had expired I got a $10.00 off email a few weeks later to tempt me to buy it. That did the trick and I have never looked back.

realysm42
14-08-2012, 21:32
Lol, i should haved tried that!

Instead I bit the bullet and bought it anyway :lol:

Ah well, I'm glad to be on board.

I've not bothered to check for SQ improvements yet, although I'm not sure I'm imagining it as you said you noticed it, but initial impressions are that things are somewhat clearer...

Gazjam
15-08-2012, 00:17
I've just set up Jriver to manage all my movies and TV box sets now and its fantastic.
I used to use XBMC for this and Jriver for music only, but the picture quality is far better playing through Jriver.

Sound is better too as XBMC does not bypass the windows audiosystem despite the menu setting saying it does.
(You can still turn volume up and down using system volume)

Jriver doesn't have all the eye candy XBMC has but it has enough, but more importantly (to me) it has the best sound and video rendering of any playback software I've tried and I've tried most of them.

Theres a new version, V18 out soon.
Recent buyers of V17 dont get a free upgrade which is a bit cheeky, but you do get a big discount.

I've had a look at whats new and none of it applies to making wither the audio and video quality better so I'm happy with it on V17.
Should have been a point release imo, but hey ho.

Tim
15-08-2012, 09:38
I've just set up Jriver to manage all my movies and TV box sets now and its fantastic.
I used to use XBMC for this and Jriver for music only, but the picture quality is far better playing through Jriver.
Have you looked at Plex Gary - I understand the folk who worked on XBMC now produce this, funded in part by LG and Samsung I think. Its free too and aimed more at Smart TV's, but its a media server too with free apps for iOS and Android ;)

http://www.plexapp.com/

realysm42
15-08-2012, 10:07
[QUOTE=Gazjam;352742]Theres a new version, V18 out soon.
Recent buyers of V17 dont get a free upgrade which is a bit cheeky, but you do get a big discount.[QUOTE]

My timing just gets better and better it seems :doh:

Gazjam
15-08-2012, 14:28
Good news,
if you bought Jriver 17 after July10th (I think it is) you qualify for a free upgrade.
Your licence file will register MC18 when it comes out.

I bough mine before so had to upgrade, cost me £12 at the special upgrade price.

My biggest gripe is using theatre view on the plasma theres an issue of potential burn in with teh text along the top.
MC 18 addresses this.

Losts more improvements too.

I upgraded as to be honest, Jriver is the most important bit of software on my server...and you would blow £12 on parking or a decent bottle of wine/naff bottle of scotch so well worth it. :)

realysm42
15-08-2012, 14:54
Emotional roller coaster!

Thanks for letting me know dude.

Gazjam
15-08-2012, 16:33
no worries. :)

Ali Tait
15-08-2012, 18:04
Cool, that means I'll get the free upgrade when it comes.

Gazjam
15-08-2012, 18:25
result. :)