View Full Version : grrrrr- paper scuffs on new vinyl...
sq225917
10-08-2012, 17:00
http://player.vimeo.com/video/47315674?
There's nothing worse than spending £20 on a new bit of vinyl only to find it is welded to the paper sleeve and then scuffed to buggery by the time you remove it. So here's an obvious trick to help. Mofi sleeve required.
Luckily, surface scuffs don't play back. Putting them into Nagaoka anti-static sleeves after first removal is an absolute must. It's my ritual with every new record, they will never stick again :)
Stratmangler
10-08-2012, 17:31
Clever bugger :clap:
Luckily, surface scuffs don't play back. Putting them into Nagaoka anti-static sleeves after first removal is an absolute must. It's my ritual with every new record, they will never stick again :)
You can't do that trick easily with Nagaoka sleeves - they crumple too easily. :doh:
But then I have never had trouble with paper scuffs.
Agreed, Barry, but once inside the original inner sleeve, with the two used together, they usually behave.
Agreed, Barry, but once inside the original inner sleeve, with the two used together, they usually behave.
Yes, you have to put the LP into the Nagaoka sleeve first , then the two into the original paper sleev. A dab or two of 'Prit' paper adhesive can help prevent the two sleeves separating. :)
Mofi | VRP | Goldring Exstatic | Nagoaka
choice is good
Yes; certainly the Mofi and VRP seem to be exactly the same thing.
Mofi | VRP | Goldring Exstatic | Nagoaka
choice is good
Both the VRP and Goldring Exstatic sleeves are better than the Nagaoka.
Better how, Barry? Not in terms of reducing static, they're not.
Better how, Barry? Not in terms of reducing static, they're not.
The Nagaoka's are very good at removing static, however the VRP and Goldring are just as good and keep their shape better (crumple less easily).
By far the best inner sleeves I have encountered were the carbon fibre loaded paper sleeves, distributed at one time by Tannoy. They were soft, yet self-supporting, so kept their shape and the carbon fibre was perfect for static discharge. I can't remember their name, despite having a few. I think it was something like "EStat" (?)
They were, however, hideously expensive!
In my (failed) attempt to find out about the carbon fibre loaded inner sleeves, I came across this: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue38/lp_sleaves.htm, which make interesting reading.
In my (failed) attempt to find out about the carbon fibre loaded inner sleeves, I came across this: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue38/lp_sleaves.htm, which make interesting reading.
Indeed it does, but I don't agree with him about the Nagaoka sleeves - like Martin T I have found them to be amongst the best, although I have never tried (or even heard of) some of hisother recommends.
sq225917
12-08-2012, 08:57
Mofi ones for me, widely available and they keep their shape without bulking up my collection too much.
I've tried all but the last ones mentioned in that article. I didn't realise the VRP sleeves had been discontinued - a shame as I really like them. However, as I said earlier, the Mofi ones appear to be the same.
I've tried all but the last ones mentioned in that article. I didn't realise the VRP sleeves had been discontinued - a shame as I really like them. However, as I said earlier, the Mofi ones appear to be the same.
You could still get VRP on ebay a year ago, very cheaply too! They may have gone by now though.
In my (failed) attempt to find out about the carbon fibre loaded inner sleeves, I came across this: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue38/lp_sleaves.htm, which make interesting reading.
The guy's an idiot. Firstly he doesn't properly rate the Nagaokas for anti-static ability. The reason they are so popular is that they neutralise static so thoroughly that it is effectively gone from the record after the first 24 hours. No other sleeve (certainly not the Mo-Fis) are as effective.
Secondly, he doesn't seem to know how to use them. You put them into the original sleeve rounded end first, so that it and the inner sleeve become one. You can then pinch the bottom of the combination to allow the record to slip out easily. When you put this combo into the record sleeve, you turn it so that the open end is upwards. How can the record then fall out?
I shall continue buying them in packs of 50.
I provided the link, not to rubbish the Nagaoka sleeves, but rather as an example of someone who had done some sort of comparative review. Like you, I don't understand the problem with records "falling out of the (Nagaoka) sleeve". Regardless of what you think of his views, the information on paper and plastic chemistry is interesting.
Perhaps somebody here might like to write a comparative report for AoS. It would be a prime candidate for the Library.
To be honest, in terms of actually doing the job, I didn't find much difference between them all.
sq225917
12-08-2012, 13:21
Yeh there are only two types of material in use, insulators and conductors. I do find that if I put records away loaded with static that they mostly seem to retain this for quite some time, more than days for sure.
Maybe there's a place for a sleeve that helps discharge the attracted static.
You could still get VRP on ebay a year ago, very cheaply too! They may have gone by now though.
I bought them all off him (honestly)!
I bought them all off him (honestly)!
Aye, that's true - I bought 300 off the ebay seller, posted here once I'd received them to let everyone know they were a fantastic deal, tried to buy some more to be told,that he'd just sold the lot to David.
My take on all this is that once wet cleaned on a rcm and put straight into a new inner, then static is no longer an issue regardless of the sleeve - nagaioka, vrp, mo-fi or just a cheap polylined paper sleeve.
It's what's inside that counts, Andr'e. I often find treats in charity shops; yes, the sleeve may have knackered corners, but very often the vinyl is pristine because the previous owner hardly ever played it. A record cleaning machine helps, also a cartridge with an advanced tip as they tend to track a different part of the groove wall.
I'm off to town now to get my hair cut, grab a mocha and flick through a few charity shop collections :)
Aye, that's true - I bought 300 off the ebay seller, posted here once I'd received them to let everyone know they were a fantastic deal, tried to buy some more to be told,that he'd just sold the lot to David.
Thanks Keith, I managed to get 100 myself, not wanting to be greedy. If I remember correctly they were about £12.00 per 100 delivered. I now see they are being sold for £85.50 per 100 delivered.
:stalks:
Nice mark up.
sq225917
18-08-2012, 10:48
Now here's a rare thing in these heady days of expensive vinyl re-issues. I bought the new Laura Marling live album today- and guess what, it came in a poly lined sleeve. I can't remember the last new record I bought where they actually really gave a f_ck.
Top marks to Diverse Vinyl for caring.
htm_1968
27-08-2012, 23:35
My take on all this is that once wet cleaned on a rcm and put straight into a new inner, then static is no longer an issue regardless of the sleeve - nagaioka, vrp, mo-fi or just a cheap polylined paper sleeve.
Absolutely! Any LP coming into my house gets a good clean on my RCM and then a new inner. ATM I use Nagaoka (spelling???) as they are easy to get hold of, but any good paper (i.e. no crappy paper inners) will do.
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