View Full Version : Audio Technica guys,good news !!!!
AT just announced the sl-1200 replacement.It is called At-LP1240 :eyebrows:
Do you mean this piece of plastic USB shite? http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/4351850e750a2f93/index.html
:doh: :rolleyes:
Marco.
I have to say that the AT looks very nice but I'd like to know a little more about the plinth construction and of course have a listen to it before pasing judgement... ;)
Audioman
06-08-2012, 23:02
Err. Looks just like certain other brands of Chinese built DJ tables. Crappy built in phono and USB circuitry will kill the sound even if it was half decent. How they can charge £500 for this I don't know. Mystery why a company that produces decent cartridges and expensive SUTs can't produce a suitable vehicle to accomodate them.
Crappy built in phono and USB circuitry will kill the sound even if it was half decent
Indeed, which is why it is and always will be... Shite-o!
Marco.
Stratmangler
06-08-2012, 23:07
Indeed, which is why it is and always will be... Shite-o!
Marco.
I take it you'll not be upgrading to the AT deck then :eyebrows:
No, I had you in mind for that! :D
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
06-08-2012, 23:19
How often is it said here that we shouldn't judge a product until we've heard it for ourselves?
I suspect it's probably rather better than you're giving it credit for. It's not plastic - the chassis is apparently metal.
Sure, Chris, but it's a convenience product aimed at a particular market. It's not a purist audiophile design, like an SL-1200 or 1210, therefore a 'Techy' it will never be.
Marco.
Dingdong
06-08-2012, 23:34
How often is it said here that we shouldn't judge a product until we've heard it for ourselves?
I suspect it's probably rather better than you're giving it credit for. It's not plastic - the chassis is apparently metal.
Well said.
You never know. It might have a decent motor and drive circuit. Maybe improve the bearing, the platter, the arm, the feet and the power supply and you'd have the makings of a half decent deck.
So why not just buy a second-hand Techy and do the same? That way, you're starting off with the 'real deal'! ;)
The bottom line is that the built-in USB crap will have a major negative influence on the performance of the AT. I guess it just depends on what you're looking for.
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
06-08-2012, 23:42
I believe there's a review coming up in Tone Audio.
Does it need to be a Techie?
There's a market for a convenient to use £500 turntable & if it can turn out even a half decent sound, it just might convince some people that there's still life and a huge amount of enjoyment to be had from their old records yet. It's surely going to be better than the USB connected TT's that are being advertised in the catalogues full of nasal hair grooming kits & 'big slippers', that fall out of magazines!
Dingdong
06-08-2012, 23:45
I'm sure that wiring the usb stuff out would be pretty easy to do.
I'd be interested to see what the quality of the bearing and platter were like.
Now who's going to buy one and give it a go?
Does it need to be a Techie?
Not at all. I was simply responding to the OP's earlier announcement:
AT just announced the sl-1200 replacement.
Er, no...!
But, as far as anything else is concerned, then fill yer boots :)
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
07-08-2012, 05:28
Let's face it, there isn't a turntable made today that could challenge the Technics SL1200 for sheer quality and VFM.
And what is the point of converting hi-res LP to MP3 shite sound?
You'd think that Audio Technica would know better!
'big slippers' that fall out of magazines!
I've never had big slippers fall out of my magazine :(
The Grand Wazoo
07-08-2012, 06:29
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Punctuation now installed!
sq225917
07-08-2012, 06:33
Two points. The 1210 was never an audiophile deck it was designed as a dj workhorse. Secondly there are loads of decks that surpass it In every measured parameter, the 1210 just happens to be available for less money and represents a good 2nd hand buy.
This thing from AT wont be anywhere near the same quality though.
prestonchipfryer
07-08-2012, 06:45
The 1210 was never an audiophile deck it was designed as a dj workhorse.
Originally NOT a DJ deck!
Taken over by DJs to use as a DJ deck because of it's inherent reliabilty and sturdy build.
The 1210 was never an audiophile deck it was designed as a dj workhorse.
Absolutely not! Read up on your Technics history, it was designed first and foremost as a hi-fi deck. The DJ community locked on to it and gave it a second life much later.
The Grand Wazoo
07-08-2012, 07:32
Let's face it, there isn't a turntable made today that could challenge the Technics SL1200 for sheer quality and VFM.
Let's not confuse the bog standard item here with what some people have done to modify it. As it was sold, it was a rather ordinary turntable with better than average competence in one particular area of performance. It's been said many times here (and by some of its strongest advocates) that it can be outperformed by some rather humdrum record players.
Those people who take it and modify the bejeezus out of it are a tiny, infinitesimally small sample of the people who own and use the Technics. With the greatest of respect guys, if Audio Technica were chasing you lot as the market for this turntable, they'd be out of business pretty quick.
Dingdong
07-08-2012, 07:47
I'm quite surpised that the AT has been written off without anybody investigating it.
How many would have written off the 1210 as a piece of crap before doing the same?
Engineering-wise there are a few elements of the 1210 that are really not that good. Hence all the upgrades available.
It doesn't sound too bad in stock form, although I haven't any experience of the stock arm.
I don't think the AT would be that much different. It even comes with a phono stage that would get you started.
Audioman
07-08-2012, 08:16
Let's not confuse the bog standard item here with what some people have done to modify it. As it was sold, it was a rather ordinary turntable with better than average competence in one particular area of performance. It's been said many times here (and by some of its strongest advocates) that it can be outperformed by some rather humdrum record players.
Those people who take it and modify the bejeezus out of it are a tiny, infinitesimally small sample of the people who own and use the Technics. With the greatest of respect guys, if Audio Technica were chasing you lot as the market for this turntable, they'd be out of business pretty quick.
The basic AT may be better than a basic 1200 for all I know. However they have unecessarily increased the cost with the built in phono and usb. These are bound to be poor at the overall price and though probably bypassable will need to be disconnected and probably removed so invalidating the warranty.
The package makes little sense at the price as it is too expensive for non audiophiles who just want to convert vinyl anyways to digital and has added electronics that will neither appeal to DJ's or hi-fi enthusiasts. Nobody expects it to sound like a Marco or Martin Techie but one would expect something more specialised from AT.
They sell expensive MC cartridges and SUTs that cost from £1K upwards. Just doesn't sit with their usual market in my view. There is a gap in the market left by the SL1200 so why not make something similar or even buy the design from Matshushita who appear to be no longer engaged in the serious hi-fi market.
chris@panteg
07-08-2012, 08:35
I seem to remember David Price reviewing the AT a while back ? Or a very similar incarnation , he was less than impressed ! Poor speed accuracy and a slab of metal chucked in the bottom .
Then again , according to many the only decent bit on the Techy is the motor ! The rest being crap ? Which I don't agree with .
sq225917
07-08-2012, 08:54
I have to say I'd be surprised if there was anyone with records, who might be interested in this that wouldn't already have a pair of Technics and know that Behringer do A/D's for under £50.
Maybe they don't intend it to be for the bedroom Dj, but someone with an old record collection who falls into the trap of wanting something better than the cheapest thing thinking they'll re-coup some when they sell it on.
Dingdong
07-08-2012, 08:57
I seem to remember David Price reviewing the AT a while back ? Or a very similar incarnation , he was less than impressed ! Poor speed accuracy and a slab of metal chucked in the bottom .
Then again , according to many the only decent bit on the Techy is the motor ! The rest being crap ? Which I don't agree with .
I don't think it's crap. Built down to a price maybe. But you could say that of most ,if not all, turntables.
Two points. The 1210 was never an audiophile deck it was designed as a dj workhorse.
Oh dear, Simon. I'm really surprised that someone like you could come up with such an ignorant remark, when the exact opposite is true! :doh:
Like others have said, read up on your history, matey...
Secondly there are loads of decks that surpass it In every measured parameter...
I'm not quite sure what relevance that comment has in the real world, since all that matters is how a turntable sounds to the listener, in his or her system, and there are many variables to take into consideration. What about speed stability, for example? I doubt there are many other T/Ts that would surprass the Technics in that area, and are you talking about a stock unit or what?
It would be very interesting to measure the likes of my T/T or Martin's, with the effect all the modifications have had....
Anyway, I strongly suspect that my T/T would give your Kuzma a hard time, so I really must bring it round sometime, in order to educate you more on what this "DJ workhorse" is capable of, when judiciously modified, after which you'll then be better qualified to comment on the matter! ;)
Marco.
With regard to speed stability; the Turntable Speed Analysis thread over on PFM is still waiting for standard 1210 vs modded one for comparison. The one plot taken from a well used 1200 MKII was not that stella AFAIK so getting a before vs after would be really interesting.
Hi Chris,
Let's not confuse the bog standard item here with what some people have done to modify it. As it was sold, it was a rather ordinary turntable with better than average competence in one particular area of performance.
It's been said many times here (and by some of its strongest advocates) that it can be outperformed by some rather humdrum record players.
I know where you're coming from, but that's not strictly true. Before the prices had gone stupid, just before the Techy was discontinued, you could buy a MKII SL-1200/1210, brand new, for around £350.
Now, if you've ever picked up a Techy and compared it to, say, a Rega P3, or any of the Pro-Jects available for that kind of money, there is simply no comparison, in terms of build and engineering quality, with the former making the latter look and feel like toys!
In terms of sound quality, however, that's a different ball game, and simply down to personal preference. However, it is true that there are a number of areas on a stock Technics that severely limit its performance in an audiophile sense, which could mean that some would prefer the likes of a Rega instead.
However, much depends on how one 'tunes into' reproduced sound on vinyl, particularly if, like me, your ears are very critical of the effect of dynamic wow (speed stability under load), and the audible 'wavering' effect this has on the pitch of notes and overall timing, where any lightweight belt-drive T/T will simply fall flat on its arse, compared with even a stock Technics.
That is why that for some, only direct-drive (or perhaps rim-drive) will do, as they're willing to compromise on other aspects of performance, in order to obtain what matters to them most. The same could also be said of those who prefer the lightweight belt-drive route, examples of which can offer better detail retrieval and musical fluidity.
Those people who take it and modify the bejeezus out of it are a tiny, infinitesimally small sample of the people who own and use the Technics.
In the grand scheme of things, yes, but in terms of the audiophile community worldwide, I think you'd be surprised at just how many modified Technics T/T owners there are, primarily thanks to KAB in the USA, who were modifying Technics T/Ts years before anyone else (pre 2005), and supplying them not only throughout the USA, but to people all over the world, including me!
Therefore, I suspect that, in reality, with KAB doing their thing, and all the other companies now that have joined in with their own modifications, including the amount of people AoS (and other forums) have turned onto the idea, that there are quite a few thousand modified Technics owners worldwide.
Yes, granted, that still represents a tiny minority of the worldwide total of high-end T/T ownership, but it's not to be sniffed at, and that figure is growing all the time, thanks to our efforts here and also the increased awareness of the Technics T/T modification route, created by the likes of Hi-Fi World and some of the current on-line magazines. There are certainly enough used Techies around to keep the ever-growing number of potential tweakers happy for years!!
I hope that the Audio Technica T/T is successful, but I'm with Paul (Audioman) on this, in that it's too expensive for its target market and simply not good enough for most audiophiles to consider using in its stock form. Furthermore, in terms of the latter group, who's going to bother modifying something which isn't that great to start with - and modify it with what, exactly? There are no major mods available for it.
Marco.
walpurgis
07-08-2012, 09:49
I remember when the Technics SL-1200 and it's variants were released onto the British market.
It was part of an extensive and rather expensive range of turntables released in the seventies in which it sat probably halfway up in terms of cost.
I've owned a few and the earlier versions were better made, the interior finish was certainly a lot smarter. It was not originally marketed as deck for the DJ fraternity, but was adopted seemingly across the board by them and subsequently the huge turnover allowed Technics to sell them without bumping prices up too much over the years, consequently it offered much better value for money in recent times.
The big advantage the SL-1200 has over competitors such as the Audio Technica is obviously the array of aftermarket upgrade parts now available, plus the fact it is probably a more substantial device to start with.
There is no other obvious direct drive turntable competitor, certainly at the price. Other makers have tried but their products don't achieve the 'must have' factor!
Hi Neal,
With regard to speed stability; the Turntable Speed Analysis thread over on PFM is still waiting for standard 1210 vs modded one for comparison. The one plot taken from a well used 1200 MKII was not that stella AFAIK so getting a before vs after would be really interesting.
Were I a member of pfm, I'd contribute my T/T for testing. Perhaps someone else here with a modded Techy, who's also a member of pfm, would do so instead?
Also, how thorough and accurate is this test, and can the results be considered as in any way definitive?
Marco.
The Technics quartz-lock motor system was textbook performance on traditional wow, flutter and basic rumble levels and maybe even better than the test-discs. NO rubber belt drive deck (and I suspect cord drive) or idler drive could compete with the *figures* as measured and heard on long piano notes etc, where belt drive can be weakest. The HiFi market was changing when the SL1200mk2 was launched in 1978? and the top end of the Jap market began to be dominated with the heavyweights and the US and Europe then jumped in too with their own take on Big Decks. The SL1200mk2 was small and insignificant in comparison (the 110/1100 were regarded as "better" than the earlier models), but this was nearly twenty years before Kessler published his appreciation on one.
kininigin
07-08-2012, 09:57
The AT deck,is aimed at the dj market,looking at it's features.The high torque and quick/extra,start/stop buttons indicating that it's more suited for turntabalists!
If your not a turntabalist though,those features aren't really important.I can pretty much guarantee,that any dj half serious about their mixing (assuming they are using vinyl of course!) will want to get some technics and £500 will easily get 2 second hand ones in good nick.
The Technics quartz-lock motor system was textbook performance on traditional wow, flutter and basic rumble levels and maybe even better than the test-discs. NO rubber belt drive deck (and I suspect cord drive) or idler drive could compete with the *figures* as measured and heard on long piano notes etc, where belt drive can be weakest.
Quite :)
That last bit is crucial to my enjoyment of music on vinyl, as I simply cannot live with (to my ears) the slightest evidence of audible wow.
Marco.
Hi Chris,
Now, if you've ever picked up a Techy and compared it to, say, a Rega P3, or any of the Pro-Jects available for that kind of money, there is simply no comparison, in terms of build and engineering quality, with the former making the latter look and feel like toys!
Marco.
No comparison in the physical weight of the two, but the Rega is light for genuine reasons and the main bearing is legendary for close tolerances and very long life if kept properly lubricated..
The ONLY thing which used to let Rega decks down was speed accuracy and wow. I believe these were attended to with the P3-2000 model and further improved recently.
All I'm saying is PLEASE don't confuse mass and finish with *automatically* better performance on the way it looks. It's rather more subtle than that IMO... :respect:
Hi Neal,
Were I a member of pfm, I'd contribute my T/T for testing. Perhaps someone else here with a modded Techy, who's also a member of pfm, would do so instead?
Also, how thorough and accurate is this test, and can the results be considered as in any way definitive?
Marco.
The test is accurate and well defined Marco, it gives a repeatable and accurate insight into a TT's speed stability...it neatly highlights any changes in the TT as modifications and repairs to my SP-10 and PL-71 clearly showed.
Anybody with a test LP and the means to record the output of the W&F 3150Hz test track could post the file directly or if not a member could post it here if allowed and I'll link to it on the PFM thread.
BTW Simons deck is exceptionally speed stable...more so than my SP-10 ;)
The Technics quartz-lock motor system was textbook performance on traditional wow, flutter and basic rumble levels and maybe even better than the test-discs. NO rubber belt drive deck (and I suspect cord drive) or idler drive could compete with the *figures* as measured and heard on long piano notes etc, where belt drive can be weakest. The HiFi market was changing when the SL1200mk2 was launched in 1978? and the top end of the Jap market began to be dominated with the heavyweights and the US and Europe then jumped in too with their own take on Big Decks. The SL1200mk2 was small and insignificant in comparison (the 110/1100 were regarded as "better" than the earlier models), but this was nearly twenty years before Kessler published his appreciation on one.
Well you'd be wrong there Dave ;) The testing on PFM shows that a belt drive can be more speed stable...sound preference is a different matter though ;)
The test is accurate and well defined Marco, it gives a repeatable and accurate insight into a TT's speed stability...it neatly highlights any changes in the TT as modifications and repairs to my SP-10 and PL-71 clearly showed.
Fair enough, Neal. Then it would be interesting to have my T/T similarly measured.
Anybody with a test LP and the means to record the output of the W&F 3150Hz test track could post the file directly or if not a member could post it here if allowed and I'll link to it on the PFM thread.
Sadly, someone would need to do that for me.
BTW Simons deck is exceptionally speed stable...more so than my SP-10 ;)
Maybe that's because SP10s are antiques and well past their best? :eyebrows: Only kidding!
I haven't heard Simon's T/T, and I'm sure that it's excellent, but all I can say is that ALL the belt-drive T/T's I've heard to date (save the high-mass variety and YNWaN's bespoke jobby) have sounded audibly less speed stable, to my ears, than my Techy.
As always, measurements are ok up to a point (provided everything that needs measuring is measured), but at the end of the day my ears will always be (for me) the final arbiter, so despite what the measurements say, I'd still need to carry out a listening test, for example, using the reproduction of solo piano music, with the T/Ts in question, before I'd be totally convinced of the results.
Perhaps Simon would be up for a bake-off, where both the relevant measurements and listening tests can be carried out on our respective T/Ts, and the results reported here on AoS? You can certainly count me in! If what you're saying is proved as correct, then I'll have learned something very useful, which for me is what it's all about :cool:
Marco.
All I'm saying is PLEASE don't confuse mass and finish with *automatically* better performance on the way it looks. It's rather more subtle than that IMO... :respect:
Sure, Dave - that's your opinion, and I partially agree.
However, for me, the best turntables will always be based around achieving the highest quality engineering, and listening tests to date have, to my ears, proven that principle as true, with Garrards, SP-10s, Thorens TD-124s, Lenco G99s, and modded Techies, significantly sonically outperforming MOST of what's made today, simply through their superior engineering quality, including those humble little Regas that you seem so attached to! ;)
Marco.
realysm42
07-08-2012, 11:19
What's wow?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow_and_flutter_measurement
:)
Marco.
sq225917
07-08-2012, 12:28
Marco, shoot me your address I'll mail the test track album off to you. It's the one that most people have used so your results will at least correlate directly with mine, Marks, Flat p's, Guy (Puresound) and the few others who have borrowed it.
There's no correlation between noise levels and different A/D process's naturally. Fortunately the filtering that PaulR performs in the FM demodulation removes any influence from system/recording noise from the final result.
I agree with you regarding belt drive turntables, especially sprung sub-chassis examples. I only know of a few modded examples that do not have some instability.
Sure, Simon - address on its way....
Do you fancy having a little T/T sesh sometime, as outlined? I think that it would be an interesting one for both of us :)
Marco.
Sure, Dave - that's your opinion, and I partially agree.
However, for me, the best turntables will always be based around achieving the highest quality engineering, and listening tests to date have, to my ears, proven that principle as true, with Garrards, SP-10s, Thorens TD-124s, Lenco G99s, and modded Techies, significantly sonically outperforming MOST of what's made today, simply through their superior engineering quality, including those humble little Regas that you seem so attached to! ;)
Marco.
I'm really not trying to push the point - honest :lol: - but what is the inferior engineering in the Rega to which you refer? is it the loosely mounted rubber feet with careful moulding profile? is it the high density but lightweight wooden plinth (what's wrong with painted wood, a lot cheaper than expensive fancy veneers)? The latest RB arms are better than ever - you may not like the sonics in your systems, but the engineering standards are incredible even before you factor in the price. The float-glass platter was inspired back then, since it was cheaper than small scale aluminium castings at the time and no less good, in fact easier to machine for perfect concentricity, and flatness as a matter of course. Don't let the moulded and turned inner hub fool you either, since the driven edge and flattened top are precisely done. I admit the belt drive left something to be desired, but the new belt and fixed motors sorted the worst of the issues out twelve years or more ago in fairness to them.
Sorry Marco, I believe I know where you're coming from and my idea of a good turntable is the far massier NAS Dias or a well fettled and plinthed up SP10 (I knew the SP10 when new and loved it deeply from the off), but please don't ever call the Rega's inferior in "engineering" as in the truly important bits, there's incredible production engineering - IMO of course. Indeed, Rega used to be an incredibly conscious company, despising waste on all forms. They set standards here I believe and just think of the heaps of metal shavings the Jap turntable manufacturers had to recycle, if ever they did. very wasteful things to make, these old heavyweights :lol: It's just Rega don't show it off on the surface, and of course, don't charge loads for their mainstream products either...
Anyway, back to Techie fettling, which is where this forum really comes into its own IMO..
Sorry, Dave, I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
I know where you're coming from, but the fact is, to my ears, Rega T/Ts (save the P9) don't sound particularly wonderful, and certainly don't appear to sound speed-stable either, as I can hear the effect of dynamic wow all to easily, with the many examples of Rega T/Ts I've heard.
When I had my P5, I had to modify it extensively, fitting a Funk Achroplat, rewiring and paint-stripping the arm, and all sorts, in order for it to make a sound that was acceptable to me.
The bottom line is, for me, if Regas are not audibly speed-stable, then they can't be particularly well engineered to start with! ;)
Marco.
Audioman
07-08-2012, 15:42
The test is accurate and well defined Marco, it gives a repeatable and accurate insight into a TT's speed stability...it neatly highlights any changes in the TT as modifications and repairs to my SP-10 and PL-71 clearly showed.
Anybody with a test LP and the means to record the output of the W&F 3150Hz test track could post the file directly or if not a member could post it here if allowed and I'll link to it on the PFM thread.
BTW Simons deck is exceptionally speed stable...more so than my SP-10 ;)
Didn't pick up on the model of deck Simon uses? I am with you on many belt drives being speed stable, though not the same presentation as DD for better or for worse.
Sorry, Dave, I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
When I had my P5, I had to modify it extensively, fitting a Funk Achroplat, rewiring and paint-stripping the arm, and all sorts, in order for it to make a sound that was acceptable to me.
The bottom line is, for me, if Regas are not audibly speed-stable, then they can't be particularly well engineered to start with! ;)
Marco.
edit - :respect: Never intended to appear patronising here. Another case of me inadvertantly mixing messages - sorry.
sq225917
07-08-2012, 17:27
Paul, I use a Kuzma Stabi/S (12" version). But It uses a LP12 bearing, subplatter and platter with the bearing modded to increase viscous drag and with a hulking great 500vA transformer filtering the mains. The mains is then split with the two phases offset to exactly match the windings of the motor.
It's pretty stable.... ;-)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6812725392_0f7e8476cc_c.jpg
I should have a 2nd transformer arrive for it soon so i can build a 2nd psu and try two motors for more stability, (well twice the RMS and half the peak variation anyway)
Without the TT-PSu the lower Regas aren't anywhere approaching decent stability and there is a significant variation in the quality of the moulded subplatter. My p5 was out from round by up to 5/100th mm, twice around the circumference, that's a significant variation 4 times per revolution and was easily audible. I was able to skim the sub-platter side wall down to within 1/100th, the difference was night and day.
walpurgis
07-08-2012, 18:26
What's wow?
'Wow' is the slowish pitch variation that occurs when the turntable platter repeatedly speeds up and then slows down due to wear, damage, poor drive design, etc. It normally manifests itself at the rpm. the platter is rotating at.
Bad cases are very audible.
For instance, if you had a record with a hole that was not central (it happens), the effect you'd hear would be wow as the stylus literally speeds up in relation to the record groove on one half of the record and slows down on the other.
You can generate your very own 'wow' on a Technics SL-1200 turntable using the slider!
Mr Kipling
07-08-2012, 18:31
Doesn't everything have to have a USB port on these days? Toaster. . . Bogroll Holder. . . Pet Gerbal. . . Perhaps they're going for the Steepletone share of the market.
Surely, it's to compete with Stanton's current eqivalent of their STR 150? There's a thread here regarding it. I bought a pair with the staight arm fron Newcastle Cash Converters at a bargain pricf. Saw one in the window and was seduced. Came back home had a look on the 'net and found some favourable comments. Next week I went bacl and it was still there. Wasn't really wanting a deck but still seduced. Came home. Following week it was still there so I gave in and got it. Pointed to an assitant who enquired: "You want the Stanton decks?" "Aye", I replied. He staggered getting them out. They weighed quite a bit. Haven't really done anything with them yet. They are the first item of hi-fi that I've ever bought purely on looks.
Shallow Hal
P.S.
I gather Beobloke wasn't that impressed with it in standard form. Plenty that can be done to it though.
I heard in a convo many years ago that the first incarnations of Planar 2's and 3's had slate plinths, is this true?
:lol: OK.......
Dunno what's funny, as what I'm describing is the result of my valid and extensive experience of Rega T/Ts. P9 aside, for me, they're not that wonderful.
A Techy with a decent mat and feet, fitted with a quality MM cartridge, annihilates almost any Rega T/T I've heard.
Marco.
realysm42
07-08-2012, 19:59
Cheers Marco and Geoff.
Dunno what's funny, as what I'm describing is the result of my valid and extensive experience of Rega T/Ts. P9 aside, for me, they're not that wonderful.
A Techy with a decent mat and feet, fitted with a quality MM cartridge, annihilates almost any Rega T/T I've heard.
Marco.
I wasn't laughing at you or your experiences, more of a respectful grin, but used the wrong smilie - mucho apologies and if I can I'll remove it. Of course your experience as an end user is valid, incredibly so and at least you tried with them..
walpurgis
07-08-2012, 21:29
Cheers Marco and Geoff.
Martin, if you haven't yet, you may want to check on what 'flutter' and 'rumble' are.
Were I a member of pfm, I'd contribute my T/T for testing. Perhaps someone else here with a modded Techy, who's also a member of pfm, would do so instead?
I've got the bits together to do this so I'll give it a go tomorrow. Can someone please point me to the PFM thread as I've lost it, and also who I send the file to?
Hi Martin,
If you don't get a reply to this PM Simon or Neal and they'll direct you to the thread concerned. I'd be very interested to find out the results of this :)
Marco.
Thread: http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70027
Warning: It's long!
Ah, thanks Neal. I'll get recording tonight.
File now submitted. I await the analysis with interest.
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1765212#post1765212
Indeed. Please start a new thread about this, Martin, when you get the results - cheers :cool:
Marco.
Audioman
22-09-2012, 19:21
I have just seen the AT TT at the Whittlebury show in the Inspire room.
Well it certainly isn't a piece of plastic shit as Marco so eloquently put it and I would have agreed without seeing it and feeling the quality. It's very solidly built on the outside anyway and has nice feel. Unfortunately it was not being played as I think they only took delivery. How it sounds is another thing but it may well turn out to be a winner if the USB is taken out of use. More impressive in the flesh than standard Techy anyway.
Inspire had a much more intresting new product - Revamped GL75 in a superb plinth. (see post in Analogue Art main section).
Beobloke
24-09-2012, 08:13
I saw the AT as well and was forced to eat my words following my initial comments to Rob from Inspire on seeing it there!
As Paul says, very interesting...:eyebrows:
chris@panteg
24-09-2012, 08:35
It did look and feel very well made , it could be very good ?
That is indeed interesting. However, as all girls know, looks can be deceiving and lead to much disppointment, when you take a peak at the bits underneath! :eyebrows:
Let's wait until someone with credibility has had a look under the hood at the quality of the key components, and listened to the AT in a decent system, before anyone gets too excited...
Adam, I'd have thought it was a ripe for a review, if you can manage to sneak such a thing into the hallowed pages of the somewhat upmarket HFN? ;)
Marco.
Audioman
24-09-2012, 11:47
Marco.
I don't think anyone is making great claims for it's SQ as none of us have heard it. However I was, against expectations, bowled over by the weight and solidity of this model. At the asking price if it exceeds rega P3 for SQ (probably not difficult if your opinion of Rega is accurate) it will be a good entry level deck at least. Believe me the feel and finish blows budget Regas and Projects away. I am now looking forward to Adam's review.
Paul.
Spectral Morn
24-09-2012, 15:10
How often is it said here that we shouldn't judge a product until we've heard it for ourselves?
I suspect it's probably rather better than you're giving it credit for. It's not plastic - the chassis is apparently metal.
Way too much of this creeping on to the forum these days :( - in my opinion People commenting on stuff they have never heard and the sound of things at shows they were not at. Personally I think AOS is sliding to wards displaying the kind of close negativity and closed minds displayed on other forums.
I don't think so, Neil. That's a bit of a snide remark. Is it your time of the month or something? ;)
Calm down, dear...! :eyebrows:
As far as the Audio Technica T/T is concerned, all we're basically saying is that the jury is out, which is the case until someone with credibility (such as Adam) actually listens to and reviews it. Until then, we're all entitled to our opinions, generally, on the matter, whether we've heard the AT or not. No-one has come to any firm conclusions, or is making specific remarks about its audio performance.
If you're also referring to the £40k (or whatever) turntable, discussed on the show thread, then the people who've commented on that thread were actually at Scalford Hall and have listened to said turntable. I merely remarked on the comments being made, and stated my opinion generally on what I still consider to be a ludicrously overpriced piece of audio equipment, as is anything else, IMO, at that sort of price level, where any notion of SPPV has long gone out of the window!
I'm sorry if that upsets your high-end sensibilites, but there you go. No offence was intended :)
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
24-09-2012, 16:41
Way too much of this creeping on to the forum these days :( - in my opinion People commenting on stuff they have never heard and the sound of things at shows they were not at. Personally I think AOS is sliding to wards displaying the kind of close negativity and closed minds displayed on other forums.
It still doesn't alter the fact that the AT turntable in question is, seemingly, to transfer hi-res (that's if hi-res is possible with the AT turntable) vinyl to MP3 format, which I regard (MP3 that is) as rubbish.
Audioman
24-09-2012, 18:06
It still doesn't alter the fact that the AT turntable in question is, seemingly, to transfer hi-res (that's if hi-res is possible with the AT turntable) vinyl to MP3 format, which I regard (MP3 that is) as rubbish.
John.
It should be possible to bypass the A/D conversion. By it's build standards it is aimed at something more serious than the rash of vinyl to MP3 devices. It also has features that appeal to the DJ so I assume it's aimed at a wide market. It remains to be seen how well it performs as a hi-fi TT but I am prepared to keep an open mind on this one.
Paul.
prestonchipfryer
24-09-2012, 18:33
John.
It should be possible to bypass the A/D conversion. By it's build standards it is aimed at something more serious than the rash of vinyl to MP3 devices. It also has features that appeal to the DJ so I assume it's aimed at a wide market. It remains to be seen how well it performs as a hi-fi TT but I am prepared to keep an open mind on this one.
Paul.
Yes, aimed a wide market would seem ATs' idea. I just think that as AT produce MC carts aimed at high quality playback, they, perhaps, should produce a TT without fripperies. And, of course, final appraisal by whomever is looked forward to.
John
I just think that as AT produce MC carts aimed at high quality playback, they, perhaps, should produce a TT without fripperies.
Quite, and a rather valid point, IMO :)
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
24-09-2012, 19:13
Quite, and a rather valid point, IMO :)
Marco.
Exactly. Also it would be good to have a DD TT at C500-800£ as an alternative to the usual rubber band squad. :eyebrows:
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