Why won’t they let him in?

[Welder]

Time for a whinge ;)

My mates name is Sunny and his name pretty much reflects his disposition.
He’s a long haired Rottweiler with a tail and looks rather like a small bear.
Much like his predecessor (Dad) he goes where I go with very few exceptions.
My local greengrocers let him in the shop.
My local butcher does too.
The post office let him in.
Dance classes let him in.
My friends let him in.
You get the picture…….

I can understand him not being let into say a restaurant, or even at a push the large supermarkets; a bit odd considering they let in drunks, shoplifters, babies puking and farting everywhere, the local tramps, kids with sticky inquisitive fingers, mad people and mobile phone users.:scratch:
By and large he is better behaved than any of the above mentioned and a lot nicer to look at.:D
Yesterday I got told I couldn’t take Sunny into a builders supply yard; WTF.:doh:

[Wakefield Turntables]

Health and ****ing safety, the bane of everyones life. :steam:

[RobbieGong]

Time for a whinge ;)

My mates name is Sunny and his name pretty much reflects his disposition.
He’s a long haired Rottweiler with a tail and looks rather like a small bear.Much like his predecessor (Dad) he goes where I go with very few exceptions.
My local greengrocers let him in the shop.
My local butcher does too.
The post office let him in.
Dance classes let him in.
My friends let him in.
You get the picture…….

I can understand him not being let into say a restaurant, or even at a push the large supermarkets; a bit odd considering they let in drunks, shoplifters, babies puking and farting everywhere, the local tramps, kids with sticky inquisitive fingers, mad people and mobile phone users.:scratch:
By and large he is better behaved than any of the above mentioned and a lot nicer to look at.:D
Yesterday I got told I couldn’t take Sunny into a builders supply yard; WTF.:doh:

Frightened da livin daylights out of 'em :eek: :lol:

[northwest]

Well. You have just no idea how much this just soooooo pisses me off.
We call ourselves a nation of animal lovers. What a joke. I travel around the world and have travelled very extensively. There is only the uK (by far the biggest culprit) and the US Cities. Out in the countryside it's a different story, by and large. They let you take the dog into the store.
I know of several cafe's in major European cities where a whole bunch of people gather at various times during the day with their dogs in tow and the cafe owners put bowls of water out for them and biscuits too in some cases!
In the UK you get your marching orders.

THEN you get the W*n*ers telling us that we should "socialise our animals more" :doh:

I'll socialise their ass they come to my house (or one of my dogs will)! I do not have a burglar alarm either, should someone wish to try their luck and as Martin (Macca) will attest, they are an intimidating bunch and the littlest does bite:lol:

[Tarzan]

:worthless:



Justice for Sunny- when do we want it ? Now!:)

[Welder]

I have got some better pics somewhere but these are uploaded anyway so they’ll do.


I’m cute shot.

http://www.mediafire.com/conv/a030ee919ec043634e8e90a283f9216fdfb5141f2326c23089 92c0eafafb46994g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?thumb=5&quickkey=figvrk834kwpo87)

A yep, I’m listening shot.

http://www.mediafire.com/conv/e730c102aa27f5ac3fdc7329bac766ea0bd6270f984678c27b 03cc014b83e3284g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?thumb=5&quickkey=umcc0pwd0y6u07e)

[northwest]

:worthless:


Here's one:

http://immersible.co.uk/images/grace-guard.JPG

[Clive]

They can be such good friends, here's Harvey:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Harvey1024x768.jpg

[Mike]

Ollie! :)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9780/imag0006mfg.jpg
By shian7 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/shian7) at 2011-02-05

[anthonyTD]

It does seem to be a bit rediculous,
Whats he going to do, run off with a bit of 3x2 ???:lol:

A...

[seoirse2002]

The most annoying thing is when they wont let you sit even in an open outside area,and yet people are smoking,kids are making a mess and pigeons are landing nearby. We were recently told to leave a outside area of a pub recently and yet there were at least 8 other dogs there....we have a teacup yorkie....all the others were guide dogs.:doh:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=122&pictureid=731

[Stratmangler]

we have a teacup yorkie....all the others were guide dogs.:doh:

Were the guide dogs interacting with each other?
Probably not.

Guide dogs are trained to ignore other dogs' body language, and as a result are often attacked because they do not react in a normal canine way.

Even a teacup Yorkie could injure another dog with a bite, and when a guide dog is injured then it's not just the guide dog that gets affected.
And it costs a bloody fortune to train guide dogs too.

The sooner people stop thinking of guide dogs as being "just a well trained dog" the better - they're a support platform for those unfortunate enough to have to depend on their services.

[northwest]

Were the guide dogs interacting with each other?
Probably not.

Guide dogs are trained to ignore other dogs' body language, and as a result are often attacked because they do not react in a normal canine way.

Even a teacup Yorkie could injure another dog with a bite, and when a guide dog is injured then it's not just the guide dog that gets affected.
And it costs a bloody fortune to train guide dogs too.

The sooner people stop thinking of guide dogs as being "just a well trained dog" the better - they're a support platform for those unfortunate enough to have to depend on their services.

I see your point, but:
A teacup Yorkie? I think not. And the following quote:

" a dog is just a wild animal with a thin veneer of civilisation" this was said to me by a very, very senior member of the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association. The trouble with Golden Labradors (yes, I know all guide dogs aren't Golden Labs) is that the expectation is they are 'tolerant of being pulled about'. So some people pull them about, or torment them, until the dog reacts in the only way they know how, they bite.

No, I don't think the answer to this growing intolerance is "well they are special dogs for the unfortunate". That is just an attempt to justify a policy. The reason dogs attack guide dogs is, by and large, because the dogs owners are muppets who:
a) don't have any control over their animal
or
b) allow themselves to get into a situation because they are totally without clue
or
c) shouldn't really be allowed to have a dog
or one of a myriad other reasons.

In my opinion.

[WOStantonCS100]

At the risk of being pelted with milk bones... I'm allergic to (most) dogs. In an enclosed area, I'd last about 30 minutes, then I'm done for hours. I love dogs, though, grew up with German Shepherds (my favorites) and suffered for most of my childhood. I'd hate to have to "drug up" to be able to, or, not be able to go to a good eatery or anyplace really for fear of having an asthma attack. In an open area, or a guide dog... ...can't find a reason to keep them out. And, then... ...can you imagine if cat owners (I also love domesticated cats) started leashing them and bringing them to places? The uproar would be deafening.

[northwest]

At the risk of being pelted with milk bones... I'm allergic to (most) dogs. In an enclosed area, I'd last about 30 minutes, then I'm done for hours. I love dogs, though, grew up with German Shepherds (my favorites) and suffered for most of my childhood. I'd hate to have to "drug up" to be able to, or, not be able to go to a good eatery or anyplace really for fear of having an asthma attack. In an open area, or a guide dog... ...can't find a reason to keep them out. And, then... ...can you imagine if cat owners (I also love domesticated cats) started leashing them and bringing them to places? The uproar would be deafening.

Oh I don't know, apart from my dogs I have three cats, I have a photo somewhere of them all watching the telly:stalks:
My eldest son is extremely allergic to cats and he has to "drug up" when he comes to visit but I have one room in the house where all of the animals are strictly forbidden from entering and he can get a good night's sleep when he comes to stay.
It is hard but there are lots of little things that we do to make his visit easier, fresh clean bedsheets all 'round, fresh clean throws on the furniture and so on. Tough on him some days though.

[Stratmangler]

I see your point, but:
A teacup Yorkie? I think not

You think not?
What do you think not?
That a Yorkie won't bite?
You're forgetting that it's a dog, no matter how small, and dogs do make aggressive moves and do bite - it's in their nature.
Just because it isn't big enough to cause you any serious physical damage doesn't mean you should write off the threat to others.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18386963

[northwest]

You think not?
What do you think not?
That a Yorkie won't bite?
You're forgetting that it's a dog, no matter how small, and dogs do make aggressive moves and do bite - it's in their nature.

I have three big dogs and one really cute Westie. Which one do you think bites?
At least one member of this forum can give you a definitive answer:lol:

Please don't take what I say out of context.

[Stratmangler]

I have three big dogs and one really cute Westie. Which one do you think bites?
At least one member of this forum can give you a definitive answer:lol:

Please don't take what I say out of context.

We've had a number of GSDs over the years, so I do understand dogs pretty well.
And it's obviously the small & cute one.

I'm thinking actually of one GSD who was a real softy, and his smaller, cuter and less physically large companion (she was a Collie/GSD cross), and the number of people who used to shrink away from the larger GSD, and try to stroke the cross.
Wrong move.
The cross was always the one to watch, because she'd bite first and ask questions later.

I agree with you about many dog owners - they're muppets with no proper clue as to how dogs operate, and they don't bloody well clean up after them either, so socially irresponsible and ignorant of the health issues such inaction causes.
My son plays football in a local junior team, and the quantity of dog shit that sometimes has to be cleared before a game you would not believe.

Onto the bit in bold.
What did you mean by this?

I see your point, but:
A teacup Yorkie? I think not.

[Ali Tait]

It's been my experience that small dogs are far more agressive than the larger breeds. I love dogs, currently have a Lab, and have had dogs most of my life. Only dog that ever bit me was a Jack Russell. I hate those bloody things!!

[northwest]

Onto the bit in bold.
What did you mean by this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by northwest
I see your point, but:
A teacup Yorkie? I think not.



Okay, I surrender. A very oblique statement. I posted that in reference to the type of dog. Without exception, every teacup Yorkie owner I have ever come accross (and there have been a good few) has been both very protective of their dog and at the same time acutely aware that they suffer "small dog syndrome". So what I should really have said was: " the owners of a teacup yorkie are not likely to get themselves or allow themselves into a situation where their dog becomes agressive/causes a nuisance and from the posters attitude I believe this to be the case, they are resposible owners.

Now, I hope that has cleared that up and we can concentrate on more animal piccies!

[Welder]

Woahhh, lots of dog pictures.





" a dog is just a wild animal with a thin veneer of civilisation" this was said to me by a very, very senior member of the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association.

A bit like human beings then.;)

That is one mad looking dog you have George. How on earth does he see where he’s going? :D

Of course I accept that there are some places dogs should be prohibited from. In other places I’ve lived dogs didn’t get past the kitchen. A lot depends on the type of dog and how well it’s been trained. Sunny knows where he is and isn’t allowed at home (my bedroom the spare bedroom and bathroom) and I can leave the doors open and he wont go in. But, a builders yard!

I’m appalled at the number of people I see walking their dog (recently it seems to be Staffies) with the dog straining at the lead, barging into people, jumping up at strangers and wearing a harness that looks like it belongs on Connan The Barbarian. :doh::steam:

I also find it pretty distressing that despite some very obvious shortcomings in peoples dogs behavior many seem to have no inclination or ability to deal with it.
:rolleyes:
I would like to see all dogs registered and their owners made to undergo some formal training before they are permitted to take their dog into a public place. Something like this might help to reduce the shocking numbers of abandoned and mistreated dogs and greatly reduce the number of dogs and people injured.

When I walk Sunny with or without a lead getting him to stop at crossings by command, allowing people priority on the pavement on narrow stretches and generally have him behaving like a properly led dog I get some really odd looks. Yes, he’s a Rottweiller and yes, I appreciate that some people are just wary of dogs in general and others of this breed. The daft thing is Rotweillers are neither hunting or guarding dogs by origin, they were bred for cattle herding and to watch them at work is pretty amazing.:)

Of course any dog will bite when provoked or frightened. Fewer people would get bitten if they stopped thinking of animals as pets and started treating them as animals.

Bags of hot dog shit aren’t the greatest fashion accessory and I get really annoyed when owners don’t pick it up. However, I get equally annoyed with the people who have cats who not only seem to think its fine if their cat shits in your garden and raids your bins. You can just imagine the fuss if your dog was to wander into their garden at will and shit on their lawn.:mental:


Much of the problem with anti social dog behavior often has nothing to do with the dog breed and an awful lot to do with their owners. Dogs are pack (in modern times, family) members and they need as much instruction about how they are to behave in that group as children imo. A look at working dogs in the country and oddly enough many of the dogs belonging to “homeless” people in the towns to see that a correctly trained dog that knows it’s place can be extremely rewarding companion.

[walpurgis]

Made me quite sad reading this lot. Lost my poor old Collie cross a few months ago. She was a real sweetie and could be taken anywhere and totally trusted with kids or anybody else. She was a favourite in my local pub, but I can understand that some people are nervous around dogs and I also accept that dogs are not allowed into some establishments. It only takes one idiot with an indisciplined, aggressive mutt to discredit everyone else.

[wee tam]

he's welcome here , anytime

[WOStantonCS100]

However, I get equally annoyed with the people who have cats who not only seem to think its fine if their cat shits in your garden and raids your bins. You can just imagine the fuss if your dog was to wander into their garden at will and shit on their lawn.:mental:

I absolutely 100% agree with this one. All the cats I had were indoor only cats and well trained at that. Unfortunately, I now have neighbors who like to take in stray cats; but, not domesticate or keep them indoors. The battle has begun. How is it at all acceptable that someone else's cat(s) be allowed to meow and cat fight on your porch and back deck, shit and piss all over your lawn, dig up your flowers and then go and lounge comfortably back from whence they came!?!?!? We have leash laws for dogs; but, cats (much more of a problem in most neighborhoods) are allowed to roam free and wreck people's yards, lawns and gardens. Makes no friggin' sense to me.

[seoirse2002]

Well,thats not always true as my nextdoor neighbour trains and also homes guide dogs while their owners are away...he sometimes has 3 of them for all different reasons,and has been doing it on a voluntary basis for years,and there are many such volunteers.....Its also a common misconception that all guide dogs are of the labrador/retriever breed....there are many German shepherds and even labra-doodles!!
My teacup yorkie is very used to guide dogs,but keeps away from them when they play as it can get rough and shes tiny...you can see her in the top right of the pic...and yes,thats a guide dog,neither have leads on.
http://theartofsound.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=122&pictureid=916

[seoirse2002]

Made me quite sad reading this lot. Lost my poor old Collie cross a few months ago. She was a real sweetie and could be taken anywhere and totally trusted with kids or anybody else. She was a favourite in my local pub, but I can understand that some people are nervous around dogs and I also accept that dogs are not allowed into some establishments. It only takes one idiot with an indisciplined, aggressive mutt to discredit everyone else.

Chris Rea wrote a song about his late departed dog.
Its called Valentino.

[northwest]

It only takes one idiot with an indisciplined, aggressive mutt to discredit everyone else.

I would condense this further, "it only takes an idiot" - it can apply to lots of situations.
I suppose on the subject of pets it is going to get emotive no matter what. I am very, very fortunate in that I have a large garden and my idea of taking the dogs for a walk is to open the front door!
I never take my dogs out into public now as it is far too restrictive for me, I would love to but it is totally impractical.
On the subject of cats in the garden, my three cats are okay but god forbid an outsider has the nerve to trespass. The Afghan can give an amazing turn of speed, she can catch anything - and will left unchecked. Never known a dog so quick. She is the most loving, cute, cuddly, lazy thing. But invade her space...... even the others are wary of her when she is in a mood. Much like any woman really:eyebrows:

[anthonyTD]

Made me quite sad reading this lot. Lost my poor old Collie cross a few months ago. She was a real sweetie and could be taken anywhere and totally trusted with kids or anybody else. She was a favourite in my local pub, but I can understand that some people are nervous around dogs and I also accept that dogs are not allowed into some establishments. It only takes one idiot with an indisciplined, aggressive mutt to discredit everyone else.

hi Geof,
i can fully appreciate where your coming from, i too had a collie cross, his name was Benjy, and i rescued him from the dog pound when he was around 18 months old, he was with me untill he was 17, from that day on he was my dog, and only wanted to be with me, which at times could be distressing as i couldnt go anywhere without him. he was a real softie, and the children around where i live loved him.
He's been gone nealy 10 years now and in that time i have looked after our other dog[who by the way is the total opposite] i still miss him as much now as the day i buried him.
A...

[anthonyTD]

Woahhh, lots of dog pictures.




A bit like human beings then.;)

That is one mad looking dog you have George. How on earth does he see where he’s going? :D

Of course I accept that there are some places dogs should be prohibited from. In other places I’ve lived dogs didn’t get past the kitchen. A lot depends on the type of dog and how well it’s been trained. Sunny knows where he is and isn’t allowed at home (my bedroom the spare bedroom and bathroom) and I can leave the doors open and he wont go in. But, a builders yard!

I’m appalled at the number of people I see walking their dog (recently it seems to be Staffies) with the dog straining at the lead, barging into people, jumping up at strangers and wearing a harness that looks like it belongs on Connan The Barbarian. :doh::steam:

I also find it pretty distressing that despite some very obvious shortcomings in peoples dogs behavior many seem to have no inclination or ability to deal with it.
:rolleyes:
I would like to see all dogs registered and their owners made to undergo some formal training before they are permitted to take their dog into a public place. Something like this might help to reduce the shocking numbers of abandoned and mistreated dogs and greatly reduce the number of dogs and people injured.

When I walk Sunny with or without a lead getting him to stop at crossings by command, allowing people priority on the pavement on narrow stretches and generally have him behaving like a properly led dog I get some really odd looks. Yes, he’s a Rottweiller and yes, I appreciate that some people are just wary of dogs in general and others of this breed. The daft thing is Rotweillers are neither hunting or guarding dogs by origin, they were bred for cattle herding and to watch them at work is pretty amazing.:)

Of course any dog will bite when provoked or frightened. Fewer people would get bitten if they stopped thinking of animals as pets and started treating them as animals.

Bags of hot dog shit aren’t the greatest fashion accessory and I get really annoyed when owners don’t pick it up. However, I get equally annoyed with the people who have cats who not only seem to think its fine if their cat shits in your garden and raids your bins. You can just imagine the fuss if your dog was to wander into their garden at will and shit on their lawn.:mental:



Much of the problem with anti social dog behavior often has nothing to do with the dog breed and an awful lot to do with their owners. Dogs are pack (in modern times, family) members and they need as much instruction about how they are to behave in that group as children imo. A look at working dogs in the country and oddly enough many of the dogs belonging to “homeless” people in the towns to see that a correctly trained dog that knows it’s place can be extremely rewarding companion.
Agree :)
A...

[walpurgis]

I really should get another pooch. Life's not quite the same without! Just seen a Collie cross Lurcher up for rescue/adoption on a website. He looks good and is supposed to be good natured, chipped and has all his medical stuff sorted. I may go and see! Man needs his 'best friend'. Geoff.

[northwest]

I really should get another pooch. Life's not quite the same without! Just seen a Collie cross Lurcher up for rescue/adoption on a website. He looks good and is supposed to be good natured, chipped and has all his medical stuff sorted. I may go and see! Man needs his 'best friend'. Geoff.

Just put yourself out of your mysery and go for it. I read with interest some of the comments in the "am I allowed this" thread and I would say:
"put your wife and the dog in the boot of the car. Drive around for half an hour. Pull over and open the boot - NOW see who kisses you!!"

Disclaimer: May adversely impact your marriage:lol:

Harmony (one cat is out of the shot) :-

http://immersible.co.uk/images/2dogs-cat.JPG

[walpurgis]

Heard that joke a few times about the wife & dog in the boot of a car. Has a ring of truth though. I emailed about the rescue dog. Hope its a positive outcome! Geoff.

[Welder]

I would condense this further, "it only takes an idiot" - it can apply to lots of situations.
I suppose on the subject of pets it is going to get emotive no matter what. I am very, very fortunate in that I have a large garden and my idea of taking the dogs for a walk is to open the front door!
I never take my dogs out into public now as it is far too restrictive for me, I would love to but it is totally impractical.
On the subject of cats in the garden, my three cats are okay but god forbid an outsider has the nerve to trespass. The Afghan can give an amazing turn of speed, she can catch anything - and will left unchecked. Never known a dog so quick. She is the most loving, cute, cuddly, lazy thing. But invade her space...... even the others are wary of her when she is in a mood. Much like any woman really:eyebrows:

I must admit, not having a garden is one of the things I really dislike about living in a city.
The thing is, even when I have had a garden I still liked taking the dog out with me whenever possible. Watching and listening to some dog owners, the whole ‘take dog for walk bit’ seems to be more of a chore than a pleasure. Mind you, looking at the relationship they have with the dog it’s easy to see why. It’s very difficult to tell who is the boss in many instances and spending the obligatory 20 min park walk shouting at the dog to do this and that while it carries on doing exactly as it pleases must be exasperating.

I find the more time you spend with a dog in different environments the better the understanding becomes between you both. I really enjoy the training. We both learn.

I would prefer in general not to have a dog on a lead. Most of the pavement dog scraps I see are caused by having the dogs on leads. It seems when on a lead some dogs not only feel they are to defend your space but also, they have no avenue of escape and often react out of fear. It’s very difficult to either defend yourself or run away if you’ve got a ball and chain attached to you.
However, one tends to get some very strange behavior from humans if you walk your dog anywhere other than a park without a lead.

[brian2957]

How is sunny Bristol these days John. I lived there for a couple of years in the early 80s. Had a flat just off Whiteladies road . Worked in the bus depot next to Citys' football ground in Winterstoke road . Used to drink in a pub called The Jersey Lilly. I have fond memories of living there and only returned to Glasgow when I was made redundan,t or I would have still been there.
Brian.

[Welder]

Hey Brian. :)

I’ve lived in few areas in and around Bristol. I lived at the top of Blackboy Hill for a while, not far from your old place. As cities go I quite like Bristol. I particularly like where I live now, between Easton and Kingswood, mainly because there is such cultural diversity. A walk into the city is a bit like moving from country to country. Closest to my flat are the remnants of what I suppose was once the respectable Bristolian working class mixed in with a fairly large Eastern European immigrant population and as one travels down hill to the city, it changes to Polish and then West and East African, Asian and finally the still slightly seedy area of Old Market.
I wasn’t born here and I don’t plan to die here either. But, if I have to do city life then Bristol has more pros than cons imo.

[brian2957]

The one and only time I have lived in a city John. As I said fond memories.
Brian.

[walpurgis]

hi Geof,
i can fully appreciate where your coming from, i too had a collie cross, his name was Benjy, and i rescued him from the dog pound when he was around 18 months old, he was with me untill he was 17, from that day on he was my dog, and only wanted to be with me, which at times could be distressing as i couldnt go anywhere without him. he was a real softie, and the children around where i live loved him.
He's been gone nealy 10 years now and in that time i have looked after our other dog[who by the way is the total opposite] i still miss him as much now as the day i buried him.
A...


Well......... 'NEW DOG' is here!

For various reasons I didn't end up with Bruno, the first Collie lurcher I enquired after.

But Tippy has arrived, he's a black and white Collie cross lurcher. Just what I'd wanted and he is a real sweetie. He came from another re-homer/fosterer and has a very uncertain background, virtually no details at all including medical history, but I gave him a good once over and he looks extremely healthy.

I've only had him two days and he will be going to the vet next week for a full MOT and chip.

I can't believe how lucky I've been with him, he seems to have no bad traits at all. He is well house trained, walks well and won't pull unduly on the lead ignoring passing dogs and cats, responds to commands: sit/down/here/stay, he lays quietly and calmly in travelling vehicles, knows his two daily mealtimes and doesn't seek food, he has shown affection and tolerance towards my two noisy grand daughters and is quietly friendly in general. He has bonded with me immediately and always wants to know where I am and loves a fuss.

He's quite a handsome lad too (see thumbnail). He is rather bigger than he appears in the picture and is over two feet tall at the rump. Not sure what kind of lurcher he is, as his back half has a Borzoi or Wolfhound shape. The head is surely Collie though.

Its all good news so far.
Geoff.

[northwest]

Well......... 'NEW DOG' is here!

Top man. The boy looks great, nice looking coat and a confidence about him. If you have the bond thing going on and you never let him down the bond will just get stronger. Good decision, taking on a dog.

[walpurgis]

Thanks Graham. The whole family has taken to 'Tippy'. Not my choice of name, he came with it. I call him Tip-Top. He's a well behaved lad. He is allegedly eight years old, but I'm not so sure, from looking at his teeth, eyes, coat and muscle tone, etc., I'd say 4 or 5 years old. I'll get the vet's opinion. Geoff.