Debate - Who uses Treble and bass on their amplifiers

[anthonyTD]

Daft isn't it, all this sound pressure to electrical signal to sound pressure and then electrical signal again in our nerves. Can't we just hook up some electro- magnetic pads to the right part of our brains?

Don't they wire up contacts behind people's ears and directly attach hearing aid type things to restore hearing to people completely deaf?

Good point Nat :)
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[anthonyTD]

Going back to John's original post concerning the Speakers influence on the final performance of the signal, I would still argue the point that if you put Rubbish into them then you can put the best and most expensive speakers at the end and all you will get is Rubish out!:)
Anyone who has done AB tests between diffrent amplification using the same speakers will know exactly where i am coming from.:eyebrows:
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[StanleyB]

Going back to John's original post concerning the Speakers influence on the final performance of the signal, I would still argue the point that if you put Rubbish into them then you can put the best and most expensive speakers at the end and all you will get is Rubish out!:)
Anyone who has done AB tests between diffrent amplification using the same speakers will know exactly where i am coming from.:eyebrows:
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Of course, but some people still believe the sun goes round earth instead of the other way round.

[chelsea]

If i was spending £1,000 on a system i would rather put £900 into the speakers and £50 on a t amp and £50 on a 2nd hand cdp.

Would never do it the source first route.

I've always gone speakers first then amp source 2nd.

[anthonyTD]

Of course, but some people still believe the sun goes round earth instead of the other way round.
Indeed :)
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[anthonyTD]

If i was spending £1,000 on a system i would rather put £900 into the speakers and £50 on a t amp and £50 on a 2nd hand cdp.


Would never do it the source first route.

I've always gone speakers first then amp source 2nd.

Say's he with a rather tasty looking Turntable in his Sig!:eyebrows:
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[Marco]

Hi Stu,


If i was spending £1,000 on a system i would rather put £900 into the speakers and £50 on a t amp and £50 on a 2nd hand cdp.


In my experience, extremes (such as you've quoted above) just don't work. It's far better to take the approach of assembling a balanced system, by spending similar amounts on the source, amp and speakers.

There are some great examples of vintage speakers around, which offer serious SPPV, so the £900, of your notional £1000 budget, would be much better instead spread judiciously throughout the system.

What about cables? You're gonna need some of those, in order to get any sound at all! :eyebrows: A £50 CDP, unless you manage to land some uber-bargain vintage player, which sounds the dogs, is going to sound SHITE, through revealing £900 speakers.

If it were me, I'd spend the £1000 budget, thus: £300 on a CDP (or streaming set-up), if the source was to be digital-based, £250 on an amp, £200 on speakers, and the remaining £250 on a proper equipment rack/speaker stands and some decent cables.

Hey, even the (very successful) 'cheap-as-chips' system at Scalford, adopted my 'balanced' approach - and it worked! ;)

Marco.

[chelsea]

Say's he with a rather tasty looking Turntable in his Sig!:eyebrows:
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:)

[Welder]

Of course, but some people still believe the sun goes round earth instead of the other way round.

It does doesn’t it Stan?

I mean, if I was moving I would certainly know about it! :scratch:
I move a lot mate and pretty damn fast at times so I know what movement feels like.
Trust your senses mate. You’ll not go far wrong. I can see the Sun moving and I don’t need any pseudo scientific claptrap to tell me what my own senses make quite obvious.

If you come round my house Stan I can I’m pretty sure demonstrate to you that the Sun is indeed moving. I’ll put you on my bike so we are both absolutely sure what movement feels like and if you still think you’re moving once you get off (apart from the bending over to puke bit) all I can say mate is there is something seriously wrong with your perception.:rolleyes:
I don’t know mate, are you sure you’re on the right forum given this forums ethos. :D

Funny how wrong the subjective can be innit.;)
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Okay, okay, I know its off topic, provocative and all.:adminpower:

Not having any tone controls there wasn’t much else I could write while I’m in the finger tapping mood. :(




(buggers off to the music bits)

[chelsea]

Hi Stu,



In my experience, extremes (such as you've quoted above) just don't work. It's far better to take the approach of assembling a balanced system, by spending similar amounts on the source, amp and speakers.

There are some great examples of vintage speakers around, which offer serious SPPV, so the £900, of your notional £1000 budget, would be much better instead spread judiciously throughout the system.

What about cables? You're gonna need some of those, in order to get any sound at all! :eyebrows: A £50 CDP, unless you manage to land some uber-bargain vintage player, which sounds the dogs, is going to sound SHITE, through revealing £900 speakers.

If it were me, I'd spend the £1000 budget, thus: £300 on a CDP (or streaming set-up), if the source was to be digital-based, £250 on an amp, £200 on speakers, and the remaining £250 on a proper equipment rack/speaker stands and some decent cables.

Hey, even the (very successful) 'cheap-as-chips' system at Scalford, adopted my 'balanced' approach - and it worked! ;)

Marco.

Hi marco,

cable wise it would be a few quid as i don't go for expensive ones.
As far as cd goes i've used sub £100 (mainly micromega) 2nd hand ones that have held there own against £1,000 ones.

I have similar experience with amps in finding that £100 (a&r a60) 2nd hand can hold there own against £1,000 ones.

Can't say the same with speakers though (although of course there are exceptions).

[Marco]

Well, I'd put my (£260) vintage Celestion Ditton 15XRs up against any £900 speakers, new or old, when fronted by a decent CDP and amp, and other than in terms of reproducing deep bass (competing against bigger speakers), wouldn't expect them to lose out....

In fact, they'd be the perfect speakers to build a £1000 system around, if you were seeing to create a musically engaging sound, rather than simply an 'impressive noise'! ;)

Marco.

[Jonboy]

I agree with you somewhat Stu about the speakers, i have a pair of speakers that i love and are a given bench mark soundwise and to date my most expensive single purchase but they drag the best or sometimes worst out of everything that i hang on the end of them anything from a T amp to a pair of high end valve mono blocks.

[anthonyTD]

It does doesn’t it Stan?

I mean, if I was moving I would certainly know about it! :scratch:
I move a lot mate and pretty damn fast at times so I know what movement feels like.
Trust your senses mate. You’ll not go far wrong. I can see the Sun moving and I don’t need any pseudo scientific claptrap to tell me what my own senses make quite obvious.

If you come round my house Stan I can I’m pretty sure demonstrate to you that the Sun is indeed moving. I’ll put you on my bike so we are both absolutely sure what movement feels like and if you still think you’re moving once you get off (apart from the bending over to puke bit) all I can say mate is there is something seriously wrong with your perception.:rolleyes:
I don’t know mate, are you sure you’re on the right forum given this forums ethos. :D

Funny how wrong the subjective can be innit.;)
:sofa:


Okay, okay, I know its off topic, provocative and all.:adminpower:

Not having any tone controls there wasn’t much else I could write while I’m in the finger tapping mood. :(




(buggers off to the music bits)
Absolutely Ridiculous post John.:rolleyes:
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[chelsea]

I agree with you somewhat Stu about the speakers, i have a pair of speakers that i love and are a given bench mark soundwise and to date my most expensive single purchase but they drag the best or sometimes worst out of everything that i hang on the end of them anything from a T amp to a pair of high end valve mono blocks.

Are the stirlings 12 or 15" jon?
Will probably go back to Tannoy but hopefully they will be grfs.

[Welder]

Absolutely Ridiculous post John.:rolleyes:
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Awww, don't be like that Anthony:pat:

[anthonyTD]

Awww, don't be like that Anthony:pat:
If you havent got anything constructive to add to this thread then i would ask that you dont spoil it for others that do with your Condescending bile.
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[Jonboy]

Are the stirlings 12 or 15" jon?
Will probably go back to Tannoy but hopefully they will be grfs.


I think they are classified as only 10's, i just like the Tannoy sound but have a hankering to go bigger, i have 15 inch drivers just need the cabinets to put them in, i was very impressed with the GRF's at Scalford and fancy a pair of those :D

[Marco]

If you havent got anything constructive to add to this thread then i would ask that you dont spoil it for others that do with your Condescending bile.
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Indeed.

John, please behave. Your condescending response to Anthony was uncalled for and not what we expect here from people.

Marco.

[Jonboy]

Hi Anthony,

I see you have gone down the Tannoy route as well, good arn't they i think yours are a model or 2 up from mine

[anthonyTD]

Hi Anthony,

I see you have gone down the Tannoy route as well, good arn't they i think yours are a model or 2 up from mine

hi Jon,
Yes, i had the Glenairs previously which were 15" dual concentrics using the Tulip waveguide and i didnt get on with them at all as there seemed to be some kind of frequency intergration anomily between the cone and wave guide, however the Kensintons are a diffrent ball game though, they have the 10" drive unit with Alnico magnet but with the pepperpot waveguide like the older traditonal reds and golds etc.:)
Anthony,TD...

[John]

I no idea where I stand in this debate
On the digital side I am not using a pre at present and find that this gives even more resolution on the other hand I am using a cheap Arjen tamp with a old sansui for the phono pre amp control on the TT side, have DSP in the bass and would never consider going back to a standard bass design: for the music I listen to I have not experienced anything better, different yes better no!
Now more confussed than ever lol

[hard1175]

My Pre amp's got them but i never use them.

[erchie84]

I don't have tone controls and have never really given it a lot of thought..... However surley looking back are we not listening to something produced by someone to what they think it should sound like.....

[walpurgis]

I haven't used anything (apart from in the car) that has tone controls for probably twenty years. But I can see their uses, for instance when playing (some) sixties and seventies vinyl, as the bass can be woefully recessed and the top end can also sometimes benefit from a lift. If it bothered me enough, I'd track down an Xtone for occasional use, at least that was designed by people with an ear for sound quality and has a minimal 'footprint' over the sound as a whole. Also, as many know, you can tweek the system sound balance quite surprisingly with cable choices, component matching (mismatching?) and speaker orientation. Geoff (walpurgis).