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Allan
01-05-2012, 01:31
I am not an antique freak but I notice vintage plugs (MK 13A Hospital property) have brass leads with a higher density, new MK plugs leads look rough and grainy. They sound differently too!

I also aware that "pure" copper from China attracts magnet! A system is always haunted by a kind of weird salty sound if it contains China copper in its electrical pathways.:steam:

Dear fellow audiophiles, does anyone know where I can get wires/cables/accessories made with genuine European copper? Which country in Europe still harvests/refines copper and is still manufacturing cables? As far as I know, many famous cables source copper from China, this is not problematic for the refrigerators or toasters but disastrous for audiophiles.

snuffbox
01-05-2012, 08:08
Sound off my iPad has a certain Wan Tun soy sauce type of flavour to it;)

Marco
01-05-2012, 08:17
Hi Allan,


I am not an antique freak but I notice vintage plugs (MK 13A Hospital property) have brass leads with a higher density, new MK plugs leads look rough and grainy. They sound differently too!


By "leads" I presume that you mean contact pins (the bits which plug into the sockets)?


Dear fellow audiophiles, does anyone know where I can get wires/cables/accessories made with genuine European copper?

Furutech is your friend: http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/mains-plugs/360-furutech-fi-1363-cu-copper-mains-plug.html

:cool:

I use the rhodium plated versions of those, and they're fab! For high-quality pure copper wires and cables, look at stuff from Belden.

But... As you live in China, what use are 13A plugs? :scratch:

Marco.

sq225917
01-05-2012, 08:31
Hong Kong, not China.

Val33
01-05-2012, 08:45
Hong Kong is an ex British colony and uses traditional UK 13 amp square pin plugs.

As far as I know, its the only place outside the UK that does!

Val

Mark Grant
01-05-2012, 08:45
But... As you live in China, what use are 13A plugs? :scratch:

Marco.

Hong Kong is different to China :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong

Plugs:
http://www.powercords.co.uk/standard.htm#BRITISH

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Marco
01-05-2012, 08:45
Sorry, yes, but do they use 13A plugs out there? :scratch:

{Edit: just seen Mark's post... Well, that's something new I've learned!}

Marco.

Mark Grant
01-05-2012, 08:47
yes, we all posted at the same time :)

Marco
01-05-2012, 08:48
Hong Kong is different to China :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong

Plugs:
http://www.powercords.co.uk/standard.htm#BRITISH

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Noted! :)

Btw, I couldn't find the Furutech plug I linked to earlier listed on your website... I know that you sell it.

Marco.

Clive
01-05-2012, 09:34
Hong Kong is indeed quite different to rest of China...but it is in China.

The copper/brass thing is interesting. For sure it seems "watered down" nowadays, not surprising given the cost of metals and ludicrous amount of metal in UK plugs, you could almost connect up a power station with them!

Such issues with copper & brass remind me of the complaints about brass musical instruments post-Hiroshima not sounding so sonorous. Maybe the same contamination theory could be used for our plugs....

Barry
01-05-2012, 14:31
Hong Kong is an ex British colony and uses traditional UK 13 amp square pin plugs.

As far as I know, its the only place outside the UK that does!

Val

No, not quite -

The BS 1363 design (i.e. the UK 13amp plug and socket) is used in the United Kingdom and Ireland, Sri Lanka, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Cyprus, Malta, Gibraltar, Botswana, Ghana, Hong Kong, Jordan, Macau, Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, Iraq, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

BS 1363 is also standard in several of the former British Caribbean colonies such as Belize, Dominica, St. Lucia, St. Vincent, and Grenada. It is also used in Saudi Arabia in 230 V installations.

YNWaN
01-05-2012, 16:24
I've never come across the word 'salty' to describe sound - I haven't a clue what it means in this context either.

Marco
01-05-2012, 16:27
'Salty' - lurve it. I thought it was great! Next: 'tangy'...

Marco.

Clive
01-05-2012, 16:27
I took salty to be grainy or coarse but it's only a guess.

Mark Grant
01-05-2012, 16:28
I read salty as 'grainy' or 'coarse', like salt :)

Next: Tangy treble :)

Marco
01-05-2012, 16:30
Mark, I think that you and I must be sharing the same brain cell! :D

Marco.

Barry
01-05-2012, 16:58
Slightly off topic, but the following might be of interest:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/207848-preventing-oxidation-brass-mains-plug-pins.html

The Grand Wazoo
01-05-2012, 18:43
'Salty' - lurve it. I thought it was great! Next: 'tangy'...

I go for cheese myself. Here's my new platter mat..........

http://blog.pennlive.com/italian-kitchen/2009/04/large_Margherita%20Pizza%20Finished.jpg

Marco
01-05-2012, 19:03
Ah, a real pizza!!

Thin crispy base, cooked in a wood oven, sensible type of topping (no bloody pineapple near it), not too much of it either, and not a bloody 'stuffed crust' in sight! Justa likea mamma useta makea... :eyebrows:

Marco.

anthonyTD
01-05-2012, 19:16
What ?
no peparoni :eyebrows::eek:.
A...

Barry
01-05-2012, 19:28
I go for cheese myself. Here's my new platter mat..........

http://blog.pennlive.com/italian-kitchen/2009/04/large_Margherita%20Pizza%20Finished.jpg

What a coincidence - I have just had a pepperoni and mozzarella cheese pizza for tonight's meal. :)

Marco
01-05-2012, 19:29
Washed down with?

Marco.

Barry
01-05-2012, 19:54
Washed down with?

Marco.

A 2008 Saserello, Sicilia IGP

25% Sangiovese, 25% Cabernet Sauvignon, 25% Merlot and 25% Syrah.

Damson and black cherry aromas with a hint of black pepper. 13.5% ABV.

~ £8 a bottle.

Marco
01-05-2012, 19:57
Somehow I knew that it wouldn't have been Fanta! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Allan
02-05-2012, 02:25
aha! Excuse me for my neologism, salty sound I am not referring to the morphology of salt, but the taste of it. It is a kind of sound coloration which alters the character of the mid range, it is not simply "rough" or "grainy", perhaps it is the opposite of "sweet" sound, I can always identify the presence of Chinese copper in a system since its coloration is too dominating.
On the other hand, my best friend met a fair lady on the street, he told me "She looks like the sound of a Jensen capacitor!":D
Any idea where I can get cables not made with China copper?
Cheers!

Clive
02-05-2012, 07:28
It's not just the cables. What about all the component leadouts and pcb tracks?

Marco
02-05-2012, 08:53
On the other hand, my best friend met a fair lady on the street, he told me "She looks like the sound of a Jensen capacitor!"


What, round and phat? :D


Any idea where I can get cables not made with China copper?


What type of cables are you talking about - interconnects, speaker cables, or ordinary cable for wiring a mains loom?

Marco.

Barry
02-05-2012, 09:01
aha! Excuse me for my neologism, salty sound I am not referring to the morphology of salt, but the taste of it. It is a kind of sound coloration which alters the character of the mid range, it is not simply "rough" or "grainy", perhaps it is the opposite of "sweet" sound, I can always identify the presence of Chinese copper in a system since its coloration is too dominating.
On the other hand, my best friend met a fair lady on the street, he told me "She looks like the sound of a Jensen capacitor!":D
Any idea where I can get cables not made with China copper?
Cheers!

Sounds like there is a prevalence of synesthesia amongst the inhabitants of Hong Kong! :scratch:

On a more practical note - cables made for Neumann use very pure copper and I would have thought cables made by US companies such as Amphenol and Times Wire, or the Swiss company Huber & Suhner, could be relied upon to use good quality copper.

Allan
02-05-2012, 14:54
Thanks pals, I will take a look at neumann and Huber & Suhner.

@Marco, I have no intention to re-wire the mains loom, though I want to try European cables for all connections within my system.

Besides Chinese copper, I am also tired of cables made in Japan or Taiwan. People say, all PCOCC cables worldwide are Neotech.

As for the Jensen, I immediately think about moon-face:eyebrows:

Cheers!

Clive
02-05-2012, 15:03
As for the Jensen, I immediately think about moon-face:eyebrows:

Stay low, just focus on the hips...

Allan
02-05-2012, 15:04
and the donkeys.....behave!

Marco
02-05-2012, 15:26
Stay low, just focus on the hips...

And how wide her mouth opens ;)

Marco,

snapper
02-05-2012, 15:37
"She looks like the sound of a Jensen capacitor!":D



Argh! Coffee everywhere.

You owe me a new keyboard, Allan.

:lol:

Barry
02-05-2012, 18:00
Thanks pals, I will take a look at Neumann and Huber & Suhner.

@Marco, I have no intention to re-wire the mains loom, though I want to try European cables for all connections within my system.

Besides Chinese copper, I am also tired of cables made in Japan or Taiwan. People say, all PCOCC cables worldwide are Neotech.

As for the Jensen, I immediately think about moon-face:eyebrows:

Cheers!

You might also consider the US manufacturer Belden for coaxial cables.

This is not to be confused with Belkin, which whilst very good, are of Chinese manufacture and could well be not to your liking.

Mike
02-05-2012, 18:03
Mark, I think that you and I must be sharing the same brain cell! :D

Marco.


Well, yes.... some only have the one brain cell. :hmm:

Allan
03-05-2012, 03:51
Argh! Coffee everywhere.

You owe me a new keyboard, Allan.

:lol:

and a cup of coffee too :cool:

Allan
03-05-2012, 03:56
You might also consider the US manufacturer Belden for coaxial cables.

This is not to be confused with Belkin, which whilst very good, are of Chinese manufacture and could well be not to your liking.

Dear Barry, thanks for your suggestion, but my Belden 10A power cord's copper turned black along the whole length after 10 years, in a smoke-free, air conditioned environment. Its insulator has a kind of pungent smell (smells like volatile organic compound) which I think could have caused the blackening of its copper.

Clive
03-05-2012, 08:25
Maybe Belden use a different insulator now? And maybe Chinese copper doesn't suffer this!