View Full Version : What speakers would they have used back then?
I'm really pleased with system 2 in the study: Thorens TD150/SME 3009 improved II /AKG P8ES Supernova - Quad 33/303/FM3. The "retro" look fits well with the G Plan furniture. I am currently using a pair of Ruark Epilogues but would like to finish the system off with a pair of book shelf/stand mount speakers of similar vintage to the rest of the kit. Apart from LS3/5A's I can't think of what speakers would have been commonly used to partner TD 150 a Quad 33/303 in their heyday - suggestions welcome (ESL's are way to big).
Steve
Reid Malenfant
14-01-2012, 19:51
Well my father bought a brand new 33 & 303 as well as Goldring G99 & SME3009 back in the day & he bought a new pair of Leak Sandwich 600 :)
They do need stands, I'd suggest about 300 - 400mm, but I wouldn't call them bookshelf speakers :rfl:
but I wouldn't call them bookshelf speakers :rfl:
http://www.44bx.com/leak/sandwich.html
Not unless you're in the British Library :)
They do look nice though - but methinks I need something a tad smaller (Kef, Wharfedale, Gale)
Steve
hifi_dave
14-01-2012, 20:21
I bought one of the first sets of 33/303, way back when and I paid £109 which was £10 over the retail price of £99. Either that or go on a six month waiting list.
At that time, I also auditioned the B&W P2H and the Leak Sandwich but couldn't afford either, so I opted for the Leak Mini Sandwich.
Those wre the days.
I bought one of the first sets of 33/303, way back when and I paid £109 which was £10 over the retail price of £99.
Bloody hell Dave you've got a good memory (or the receipt) :rfl:
Steve
hifi_dave
14-01-2012, 20:38
Back then (1967 ?) that was a huge sum of money and I had to borrow it to feed my Hi-Fi addiction, so it's imprinted on my brain..:doh:
Reid Malenfant
14-01-2012, 20:48
Back then (1967 ?) that was a huge sum of money and I had to borrow it to feed my Hi-Fi addiction, so it's imprinted on my brain..:doh:
You aren't kidding :eyebrows: I think my parents bought the three bedroom bungalow I was brought up in for about £5500, just to put a perspective on things :)
With the average house price today at £160,000 that would be equivalent to £3170.00 :eek:
spendorman
14-01-2012, 20:53
You aren't kidding :eyebrows: I think my parents bought the three bedroom bungalow I was brought up in for about £5500, just to put a perspective on things :)
With the average house price today at £160,000 that would be equivalent to £3170.00 :eek:
That seems a bit high (£5,500) for a three bedroom bungalow in 1967, my London three bed house with own drive and garage was about £2,000 in 1967. Was £550 when built in the mid 1930's. The prices are in the deeds. I paid £26,000 in 1979.
Reid Malenfant
14-01-2012, 20:57
That seems a bit high (£5,500) for a three bedroom bungalow in 1967, my London three bed house with own drive and garage was about £2,000 in 1967. Was £550 when built in the mid 1930's. The prices are in the deeds. I paid £26,000 in 1979.
It may well be as I don't think I was ex utero :rfl: It was a brand new property though from what I remember.
Well it just makes your kit more expensive if I'm wrong :D
Some of the best UK speakers back then were Tannoys or Quad 57's I suspect. depending on size concerns, some of the bigger Goodmans Magnum or Magister?, or Wharfedale (Super Lintons were miniatures then but quite big today) Airdales?????
Leak Sandwich's lack treble to my ears, vintage too far IMO...
Maybe you could compromise on some B&W DM1's, or Kef equivalents (Cantors?)
spendorman
14-01-2012, 21:07
I bought one of the first sets of 33/303, way back when and I paid £109 which was £10 over the retail price of £99. Either that or go on a six month waiting list.
At that time, I also auditioned the B&W P2H and the Leak Sandwich but couldn't afford either, so I opted for the Leak Mini Sandwich.
Those wre the days.
I may have your 303 here, or a similar vintage one, it has a very low serial number. It's amazing all original components. I have much later ones where caps have leaked.
Don't have P2H, but the DM3's are a close relative, they still work and sound nice.
spendorman
14-01-2012, 21:14
Some of the best UK speakers back then were Tannoys or Quad 57's I suspect. depending on size concerns, some of the bigger Goodmans Magnum or Magister?, or Wharfedale (Super Lintons were miniatures then but quite big today) Airdales?????
Leak Sandwich's lack treble to my ears, vintage too far IMO...
Maybe you could compromise on some B&W DM1's, or Kef equivalents (Cantors?)
Blimey, I've got those as well (B&W DM1), several pairs, not at all bad. Watch out for the bass unit surrounds shrinking.
We must have had a really bad set of DM3's traded in :( They were rather huge by modern standards, and sounded dull as ditchwater, with a thick clogged bass. A far cry from the delightful DM1's I used to regularly listen to at HMV Oxford St - they were finally replaced in the late 70's and replaced with some KEF Concords or similar, placed behind the record racks at the time. The tone controls on the amps (I don't think the 33/303 lasted long after this) were hideously abused and the sound was so bad, it all but drove people away - not what these Kef's usually did :(
spendorman
14-01-2012, 21:18
We must have had a really bad set of DM3's traded in :( They were rather huge by modern standards, and sounded dull as ditchwater, with a thick clogged bass. A far cry from the delightful DM1's I used to regularly listen to at HMV Oxford St - they were finally replaced in the late 70's and replaced with some KEF Concords or similar, placed behind the record racks at the time. The tone controls on the amps (I don't think the 33/303 lasted long after this) were hideously abused and the sound was so bad, it all but drove people away - not what these Kef's usually did :(
Those DM3's must have been damaged. Mine do not sound like that at all, treble is very like BC1, DM4 etc, mid is more forward and detailed, bass is firm and quite extended.
The power handling of the DM3's was not that much, but because of the sensitivity, not much power was needed.
The Grand Wazoo
15-01-2012, 00:47
Since the 33/303's were available from about 1967 - 1982, I'd say that you'd have a fair range of authentically matched speakers to choose from.
I'd think that many folks who thought Quad speakers were too big to cope with would be looking at something like Spendor BC1's
spendorman
15-01-2012, 08:39
Since the 33/303's were available from about 1967 - 1982, I'd say that you'd have a fair range of authentically matched speakers to choose from.
I'd think that many folks who thought Quad speakers were too big to cope with would be looking at something like Spendor BC1's
Funny you should mention that, my very early 303 was bought second hand with a pair of ESL 57's many years ago and the guy was keeping another 303 and a pair of BC1's
Wakefield Turntables
15-01-2012, 09:12
Wharfedale (Super Lintons were miniatures then but quite big today) Airdales?????
Avoid these speakers! I bought a pair for £15 several months ago and they are still sitting in my garage propping a few bits and pieces up! They sound as congested as a knackered pair of lungs with emphysema. :D You could easily do better.
Thanks for all the feedback chaps - much appreciated. Space is a big consideration and a true bookshelf is required. I had a very nice pair of Quad 21L's but they were to big and sold them on. I think the B&W DM1 might be a good compromise. Trouble is a pair of LS35/A's would be perfect but they early are silly money - even the DIY kits from Stirling Audio are OTT. So anyone with a decent pair of DM1's for sale let me know.
Steve
hoopsontoast
15-01-2012, 10:49
What about Goodmans Maxim, the early ones are supposed to be great and similar size to the LS3/5A.
Kef Reference 101 or 103 as well. 101's are basically Kefs own versions of the LS3/5A but a lot cheaper nowerdays.
I have some G-Plan furniture in my living room, its retro 50's/60's70's themed as well! I have some Celestion Ditton 15's that I inherited from my late Grandad, which I plan to see if I can improve on, they sound a bit closed in and boomy atm.
What abour these-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goodmans-Achromat-100-Pair-Classic-British-Vintage-Speakers-/330670462226?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item4cfd7ed512
Or these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celestion-ditton-11-/280803710252?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item416134952c
icehockeyboy
15-01-2012, 11:10
I had a 33/303 combo into what I recall being B&W DM3's, were they the ones with a treble attenuator on the back?
Obviously too big for your needs, but nice speakers, despite the hf unit crossing over at a frequency I could hardly hear, despite being able to hear most frequencies on the Shure test record!
spendorman
15-01-2012, 11:26
I had a 33/303 combo into what I recall being B&W DM3's, were they the ones with a treble attenuator on the back?
Obviously too big for your needs, but nice speakers, despite the hf unit crossing over at a frequency I could hardly hear, despite being able to hear most frequencies on the Shure test record!
Yes, switched positions for level of the HF1300 and an on/off switch for the Coles 4001G supertweeter.
What about Goodmans Maxim, the early ones are supposed to be great and similar size to the LS3/5A.
Kef Reference 101 or 103 as well. 101's are basically Kefs own versions of the LS3/5A but a lot cheaper nowerdays.
Thanks Rob - the Kef Reference 101's look just the ticket. Seem to remember lusting after a pair of the 103's in days of yore.
Just need to track down a pair now
Steve
topoxforddoc
22-01-2012, 09:34
Radford Tristars would be just the ticket. I haven't seen a pair in ages, but remember listening to them back in the late 70s at Ken Kessler's, when I worked as the saturday boy in his shop. They're a large bookshelf, but bookshelf they were. Sounded very sweet indeed.
Charlie
www.charlie-chan.co.uk
LS3/5A's are ridiculous speakers at a now ridiculous price! Like Tannoys, I bet most of them are finding their way into collections in the far east and to be honest, I bet the modern versions of them by Stirling etc would easily out-perform a pair of originals these days...
My old Wharfedale Dentons (WD20) are really good and cover their tracks so well. Easy to listen to and, to a degree, through for hours. It's a great shame if the Super Lintons from this series are really bad in comparison (I don't mean Linton 2 or the XP versions, which were rank - in every sense...).
Those elliptical bass/mid drivers from EMI are quite sought after now I understand. Theyt were more difficult to make than a circular driver, but there were advantages to the shape I understand. I'd love to try some DM1's one day..
Please chaps, keep quiet about the 33/303. At one time, they were the restorers' bargain of the century, but not any longer. The 303 is definitely the better of the two, but the 33 once fettled ain't bad at all, just a bit midrange based.. The Net-Audio updates change it into a different modern preamp hybrid altogether, so I don't think it really counts here :)
What about something from the Celestion range back then? :)
Marco.
topoxforddoc
22-01-2012, 11:02
Or how about DCM Time Windows.
Didn't I mention 22's, 33's 44's? I know Marco, Ditton 15's as well, but I still have memories of them sounding so coloured when compared to similarly priced models from KEF (Chorale and early 70's Cresta [with light cloth grilles and metal corner inserts in the cabinets]). The Ditton 10 could be a candidate, but I have no memory of these..
By the way, I believe Peter Walker once said he couldn't understand why people continued to buy 57's since the BC1 was better in most respects.. I've done this comparison feel I know where he's coming from, since a well preserved pair of BC1's set up to give their best bass performance (it can be done) do charm the pants off the listener with none of the beaming nasality of 57's. Neither are good for out and out rock & roll though.......
There's a pic somewhere of a very young Kenny Everett listening to a system plonked on the floor consisting of a TD150 (I think), 33/303 and KEF Concerto's. I bet that was great and with modern setting up, still is :)
Didn't I mention 22's, 33's 44's? I know Marco, Ditton 15's as well, but I still have memories of them sounding so coloured when compared to similarly priced models from KEF (Chorale and early 70's Cresta [with light cloth grilles and metal corner inserts in the cabinets]). The Ditton 10 could be a candidate, but I have no memory of these..
Yup, all those would be suitable candidates. I don't doubt that the Ditton 15s you heard sounded coloured. Your memories are your memores; I'm in no position to dismiss your valid experiences.
However, context is everything. In the context I'm using them in, they don't sound overtly coloured (and in fact rather good). At least they're no more coloured than many other speakers of their type, especially the forensic sounding squawk-boxes that are produced these days! :rolleyes:
Marco.
I'm sure you're quite right (as usual) Marco, and as I said, it's from nearly forty year old memories regarding Ditton 15's - the "Denton discovery" is a current and endearing one though :)
I wish I knew vintage Mordaunt Shorts better... Pageant 2's and the little Festival and Carnival models were nice as I recall, so for a smallish pair of early 70's speakers, these should be added to the list I think, along with the lovely AR 7, 6, 5's etc which will ALL need re-foaming sadly...
Although they came in after the quads i think.
Rogers ls7s would be in keeping looks wise.
Lots of great suggestions and advice (wouldn't expect anything less from AoS members :spew: )
I really am constrained by size :eek: I can only assume that bookshelves were bigger back in the 70's & 80's 'cos many of that genre are just to darn big for my study. My current Ruark Epilogues are the perfect size and the sensible thing to do would be to leave well alone and keep on using them but you know how it is when the itch hits :mental:
I agree that the LS3/5A's are commanding ridiculous prices - looks like they are being bought as investments. I'm certainly not stumping up that sort of dollar. I had a pair of Kan 1's once and loved them but that was when I was driving them with a Naim 32.5/HiCap/250 and I very much doubt they would be a good match for the 33/303.
Even though they are a bit big I've got my eye on a pair of Wharfedale Airdales
(a) because they are the right vintage and (b) because I live in Airdale :lol:
Steve
Bookshelves were not really about in that era.
I think the tannoy eaton was seen as a bookshelf speaker.
Reid Malenfant
22-01-2012, 16:23
Even though they are a bit big I've got my eye on a pair of Wharfedale Airdales
(a) because they are the right vintage and (b) because I live in Airdale :lol:
Steve
Oh man... See if you can find a pair of Airedale SP (http://www.wired4sound.net.au/speakers/wharfedale/wharfedale.htm) :D These are the kiddies ;)
Apologies if they are a little on the large side :rfl:
Oh man... See if you can find a pair of Airedale SP (http://www.wired4sound.net.au/speakers/wharfedale/wharfedale.htm) :D These are the kiddies ;)
Apologies if they are a little on the large side :rfl:
:eek:
Steve
Jac Hawk
24-01-2012, 00:14
A mate of mine has a Quad 33/303, he's not a hifi nut by any stretch no, this little gem is in his garage, fed by a tatty looking philips cd player and feeding an even tattier pair of Hitachi speakers from an old system, it's a crying shame, i offered him good money for it, but he's a hoarder and he just won't sell it, the only thing he gives value to are his motorbikes.
Regarding speakers what abut those rogers cylindrical speakers can't for the life of me remember the model numbers, but i do recall they sounded really good.
Regarding speakers what abut those rogers cylindrical speakers can't for the life of me remember the model numbers, but i do recall they sounded really good.
JR 149's - Lovely speakers - Nick Beechwoods uses a pair. (I think there were some slightly larger 150's too)
Jac Hawk
24-01-2012, 00:50
them's the boys and you're right nick has got a pair of them
JR 149's - Lovely speakers - Nick Beechwoods uses a pair.
I really must stop reading AoS - just bought a pair of JR 149's off eBay for £270. They will need the woodwork sorting but I know a man who French polishes for a living. :)
Steve
Jac Hawk
24-01-2012, 20:38
nice one steve, i'm sue you'll love em, not only do they sound fab, they also look the dogs danglies, btw do you still have the foam on them?
Regarding the woodwork, all you need to do is give em a light sand, so you just to say get the varnish off, then get a damp towel and iron them, that will lift any marks from the wood, then another light sand with very fine paper, get the dust off and give em a rub over with a cloth with a bit of thinners on it, then apply the french polish with a cotton cloth wrapped around a sponge, it really is a piece of cake, build up the coats to get the depth of colour you want, finally give them one last very light sand with flour paper and give them a coat of beeswax. job done
Thanks Mike - No covers but Wilslow can supply and upgrade crossovers for £50. I was looking at a French polishing kit with all those goodies with shellac snd pumice for about £30 - what do you reckon?
Steve
Jac Hawk
24-01-2012, 21:43
1st off shellac and french polish are one and the same, the stuff you need to do a really good job can be found in any good diy shop or even b&q. the 2nd thing you need to know is, it's not hard to get great results:) here's a link to my castles http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8600 just to show you how fcuk'd up the cabs can be and still save them.
tools you'll need:
orbital sander (the smaller the better)
production paper or wet n dry from 600 to 1200 grit
fine wire wool
cork sanding block
cotton cloths
alcohol the stuff used in record cleaning solution or thinners
a small sponge
a tin of shellac
wax polish
an iron
a wet t towel
if you need any more advice pm me ;)
Are they mk1's or mk2's?
Not a speaker I could live with (they squeak too much for me :)), BUT they'll only increase in value and if you get the crossovers upgraded and the wooden bits restored, they'll sell in a year or two for far more then the amount you paid for them.
Are they mk1's or mk2's?
Not sure - I think Mk1's - photie attached.
Steve
here's a link to my castles
Nice job Mike! Thanks for the PM invite - I may well take you up. At least the 149's are tiny weeny compared to your Castles :)
Steve
Jac Hawk
24-01-2012, 22:21
any time steve;) those 149's look in pretty good nick, i notice the wooden plates on the tops have that fake aged look i.e. dark round the edges, i'm not a fan of that finish, if they were mine i would sand it off and shellac them, the shellac will lift the grain and give the wood a real warm look.
if they were mine i would sand it off ans shellac them, the shellac will lift the grain and give the wood a real warm look.
Yep - me too. I want to lighten them up a few shades but get a honey colour into them (if that makes sense) - then they'll be a good match for the teak sleeve on the Quads and the teak G-Plan furniture in the study.
Seve
So spent much of the first part of my weeks leave fettling the pair of JR 149's I bought from eBay.
Although in fair condition I didn't much care for the wood finish so took this back to bare wood - filled in the dents and dings with uber fine filler - applied a light coat of Burmese Teak stain then worked away with the French polish before a final beeswax. These are fairly early Mark 1's and I was specifically aiming not to put them in "just out the factory gates in an unopened carton" condition but rather to give an impression of a pair of well loved and looked after speakers that have always been in the system. Pretentious moi? :whistle:
I replaced the original crossover capacitors without ever having heard how the originals sounded :scratch: so unable to comment on any sonic improvement with the new Alcaps.
Having read that Jim Rogers himself was no great fan of esoteric speaker cables and wanting to keep the original look as much as possible I opted to connect using a run of Maplin multi-strand copper speaker cable akin to QED 79 strand but not before succumbing to see how it compared to the Chord Odyssey cable I was previously using with the Ruarks. Long story short I was hard pressed to tell any difference and if anything I think I preferred the sound of the Maplin cable in that there was a tad more openness but I doubt I'd be able to tell the difference after a while - bottom line is that the cheapo Maplin cable (I got 2 x 4 metres second hand for 99p) was every bit as good as the much more (although not uber) expensive Chord cable.
I prated about for hours with speaker placement on the Kan II stands and finally decided that the best SQ was with them placed directly on top of the stands so that's how they stayed. Anything like rubber pads/sorbothane/bluetac made the bass muddled and poorly defined. I guess the aluminium end cap acts as it's own "isolator" - old JR new his stuff methinks.
To say I was pleased with the sound is an understatement - they sounded so much bigger and spacious tan the cabinet size would suggest and I went to bed a happy chappy. But something was nagging at me - I spent ages re-capping and soldering new speaker plugs and applying Deoxit to all connections yet the connections of the speakers to the crossovers was via 4 pretty nasty push on connections which although cleaned and "tightened" still seemed to me a weak link. After debating for hours about it I took the plunge and soldered the connections direct to the crossovers having very carefully removed the push on connectors so as to be able to return the units to original in the future if required first. The improvement in SQ was startling. Better dynamics, more air/space to the presentation and all together more musical. I can't help thinking that thousands of users of these units have been missing out on even better performance over the years purely down to these nasty push on connections.
Finally, the new grill foams arrived from Wilmslow and these IMHO really set the JR 149's off well. However, I am awaiting contact from Graham Hartle who sources "proper" JR 149 foams with the ridges and I'll fit these as and when.
I am really pleased with the JR 149's now both sonically and aesthetically and they perfectly fulfil the quest for a pair of speakers "they would have used back then"
I've uploaded some photos to photo bucket if anyone is interested.
http://s640.photobucket.com/albums/uu130/worrasf/JR149/?albumview=slideshow
Steve
Interesting.
I replaced all the connectors both inside the enclosures and from amp to speaker spades by directly soldering; a bit of a sod when working with heavy gauge cable.
The drivers had Lucar style spades. Many years ago, before WBT became the audiophile must have speakers terminal, I replaced the standard binding posts with WBT posts; I think they cost more than the speaker cable.:eek:
I'm connector free now.
Now, I could swear the direct soldering improved the sound but not wishing to get nutted off by the objectivists and also not wanting hugs and kisses from the subjectivists I didn't bother making a big deal of it.
Interesting someone else believes they can hear an improvement.
Doesn't this just save a fortune in super quantum tunnelled, rhodium on gold on silver on copper base, cryogenic treated, super polished,uber expensive metalwork. :D
Indeed, and congrats to you guys who have done it, but I'm afraid that it doesn't exactly make it quick and easy to change your speakers or cables!
I have no doubt of the efficacy, sonically, of removing connections, as far as possible, but doing away with speaker terminals and binding posts is for me a step too far, and would achieve more annoyance, through the impracticality of it, than anything else.
Using top-notch speaker terminals and binding posts, for me, reduces the problem to near insignificance.
Enjoy your tweaking, though! :cool:
Marco.
I realise convenience may be a factor for many, but particularly if your crossovers are outside the enclosures, cable changing only requires a soldering iron at one end and just one set of banana style plugs on the other so in reality it works out rather cheaply.
I don't think many change the internal wiring on a regular basis.
In case anyone is interested in getting rid of the connectors from speaker cable to crossover I did it like this.
You can still buy plain copper Lucar ring connectors (I’ll see if I can dig up a link)
Basically, they have a ring with a hole in and a tunnel-like receptacle for wire at the other end.
The receptacle end can be opened up by gently prising it open with a tapered rod or even a small screwdriver.
On my first attempt I used a screw to fix this to the crossover board but later, having engaged the brain I fixed it to the board with a solid copper roofers nail; yup really.
Just drill a hole in the board very slightly less than the diameter of the nail and force it through the board. Bend over the point protruding on the other side of the baord.
You can gently bend the Lucar connector to the appropriate angle to receive the wires.
You end up with a sort of cup which you can squeeze to grip the cable which makes soldering a lot easier.
Because the connectors are fairly thin copper they don’t change the cross section of the cable much and of course, you’ve got copper throughout.
Nice job Steve.
Thank you Alex
Steve
First, my apologies Stephen. I jumped on your thread and didn't even look at the pics, let alone say, nice job. :)
I've had a look now and the workmanship looks great, right down to the date labels and joint sealing.
First, my apologies Stephen. I jumped on your thread and didn't even look at the pics, let alone say, nice job. :)
I've had a look now and the workmanship looks great, right down to the date labels and joint sealing.
Thanks John - much appreciated.
Steve
Reid Malenfant
12-02-2012, 18:58
You have done a superb job on those JR149 Stephen :D I liked the changing pictures on photobucket to, don't think I have seen that before :scratch:
Not sure how you took the dings & scratches out of the wood end caps, but got to give you 10/10 for doing it, excellent work!
Nice system to, makes me think about doing something with the Quad 33/303 I have here :cool:
You have done a superb job on those JR149 Stephen :D I liked the changing pictures on photobucket to, don't think I have seen that before :scratch:
Not sure how you took the dings & scratches out of the wood end caps, but got to give you 10/10 for doing it, excellent work!
Nice system to, makes me think about doing something with the Quad 33/303 I have here :cool:
Thank you Mark.
After getting the old varnish and muck off with 000 grade wire wool and Colron wax remover I used Colron superfine wood filler (it's like cornflour) a bit at a time and then flatted everything off and built up about 10 layers of shellac - finally flatted this off with ultra fine wet and dry very wet with a tad of fairy liquid and then about 5 layers of bees wax.
Regarding the 33/303 I know you know how good the Net Audio upgrades are - what you may not know is that David Pritchard at Net Audio is just about to release (?next week) a new internal PSU upgrade for the 33 replacing the existing Quad OEM one. David claims significant SQ improvement with reduced noise. I'm hoping to get one of the very first to try :)
Steve
Jac Hawk
12-02-2012, 19:21
well done steve, they look great:)
spendorman
12-02-2012, 19:22
Not sure - I think Mk1's - photie attached.
Steve
I thought Mk 1's had the red logo and did not have the yellow foam above the tweeter, or the black damping material on the front panel.
Though, your crossovers are earlier than mine as they don't have the fuses.
Nice job you've made.
I thought Mk 1's had the red logo and did not have the yellow foam above the tweeter, or the black damping material on the front panel.
Though, your crossovers are earlier than mine as they don't have the fuses.
Nice job you've made.
Thanks Alex - got my info regarding Mk1 etc from here http://jr149.wordpress.com/
From what I can gather MkII's had the square Type 24 crossover.
Steve
well done steve, they look great:)
Thanks Mike - not up to your French polishing standards yet but as a first attempt I'm quite chuffed.
Steve
spendorman
12-02-2012, 20:18
Thanks Alex - got my info regarding Mk1 etc from here http://jr149.wordpress.com/
From what I can gather MkII's had the square Type 24 crossover.
Steve
Ah, I see; they are calling all the different versions of the early 149 Mk 1.
Still, yours are not the red label (early) ones.
Jim Rogers was a family friend; I remember talking to him on the phone when he had just designed those late crossovers. He said that that would be the end of his work as his eyesight had deteriorated so much.
Jim Rogers was a family friend; I remember talking to him on the phone when he had just designed those late crossovers. He said that that would be the end of his work as his eyesight had deteriorated so much.
Now that's a provenance worth having - great! :)
Steve
spendorman
12-02-2012, 20:35
Now that's a provenance worth having - great! :)
Steve
In the mid 60's I used to go to the Rogers factory when Jim was having a clear out. Got some of his cast off's. In about 1968 He supplied me with speaker units to make my own speakers. EMI 13x8" with massive magnets (similar to those in B&W DM3), Celestion HF1300's and STC 4001G's (became Coles 4001G). Those all went into 2 1/2 cu ft cabinets, still sound very good.
In the mid 60's I used to go to the Rogers factory when Jim was having a clear out. Got some of his cast off's. In about 1968 He supplied me with speaker units to make my own speakers. EMI 13x8" with massive magnets (similar to those in B&W DM3), Celestion HF1300's and STC 4001G's (became Coles 4001G). Those all went into 2 1/2 cu ft cabinets, still sound very good.
What you need is one of these to "authenticate" the provenance http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-UNUSED-GUARANTEE-REGISTRATION-CARD-JIM-ROGERS-JR-149-SPEAKERS-/360433640557?pt=UK_Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item53eb84e46d#ht_500wt_922
:lol:
Steve
spendorman
12-02-2012, 20:59
What you need is one of these to "authenticate" the provenance http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-UNUSED-GUARANTEE-REGISTRATION-CARD-JIM-ROGERS-JR-149-SPEAKERS-/360433640557?pt=UK_Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item53eb84e46d#ht_500wt_922
:lol:
Steve
Nice, but my two pairs of JR149 were bought second hand only about seven years ago. However, I do have a receipt from Rogers for a Thorens TD124 Mk II bought new.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.