Totally discombobulated - Help!

[Tea24]

I am F****d if I understand this perhaps someone can help. (Mods: please move to wherever you think right).

Let me explain as simply as I can:

1. I recorded an analogue disc to audio CD-RW on my Pioneer PDR-609.
2. I finalized.
3. I tried to play it on my usual CD player: it came up with the number of tracks & the total playing time, but refused to play.:scratch:
4. I tried it on my computer –it played FINE.:)
5. I ripped it to the computer (Windows Media Player) [always my intent as I wanted more than one copy].
6. I burnt it to a CD-R. No problem!:)
7. I tried THAT CD-R on my usual CD player – ABSOLUTELY FINE!:)
8. I tried to burn another CD-R; (actually an Audio CD-R, as I had no more usual ones left) NO GO! NO GO!:(
9. I tried a (non-Audio) CD-RW. NO GO.:(
10. I tore my hair out [what’s left] & went & had my supper in a filthy mood.:steam: Got flack from SWMBO.
11. Came downstairs & tried to burn to the (non-Audio) CD-RW
12. WORKED FINE!:scratch::)
13. Tried it on the computer: WORKS FINE!:scratch:
14. Tried it on the usual CD player – WORKS FINE!:scratch::)


I am totally discombobulated.

What the F**K is happening here.

GOD, I HATE MODERN TECHNOLOGY WHEN IT LETS YOU DOWN WITH NO EXPLANATION.

If any of you can explain you’re a better man than me Gunga Din !!

[DSJR]

"That's life, that's the way it is - HUH!!!" :D

[Mr Nad]

No all recordable media are made equal.

Many of the discs you buy from the high street (and some on-line retailers) are cheaply manufactured and are unreliable. Mosser Bayer is the manufacturer, but the discs may have various branding. Cheap discs may not be recorded well, resulting in the error correcting mechanism on your various players having problems.

Discs contain an ID that is read by your recording device, and helps identify what dye formulation is used. If it doesn't recognise the code, then the recoding may be unreliable, and some players may have issues with playback.

May I suggest a visit to SVP.co.uk where there is a good selection of discs to choose from. I would recommend Taiyo Yuden - premium quality, pricey, but superbly reliable. Verbatim are generally very good too (sometimes manufactured using TY dyes).

Hope that helps explain the confusing results your experiencing.

[jandl100]

Just play LPs .. it's so much easier. :thumbsup:

[sq225917]

Black memorex cdrs work for me, though increasingly hard to find.

[Tea24]

Thanks for the replies. Mr Nad SVP do not deliver outside the UK & I live in France, however I have found a source of supply in France for Taiyo Yuden.

Just play Lps - I agree; however I have been diagnosed with Parkinson's. No one knows how this will progress in the future so I thought I would record my favourite Lps & In particular 78s onto CD & onto the computer in case one day I am unable to set up a turntable.

[Mr Nad]

SVP did once deliver to Europe; I don't know when they changed. For UK customers, I highly recommend SVP. Service has always been exceptional.

[goraman]

I know what the problem is totally, I used to have the Pioneer PDR 609 and the CD's are special and far more expensive than standard CDR's They need to say Digital Music Audio on the CD. I believe memorex still makes them.
Let me see if I can find an online copy of the manual as it shows the logo to look for on the CD's. Normal CDR's will not Finalize!

[goraman]

Here you go.
http://www.nodevice.com/user_manual/pioneer/other_home_component/pdr-609.html

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/50997-pioneer-pdr-609-cd-recorder-issues.html

I Sold mine years ago but it records cd's from lps easier and better still than any other recorder I have tried.

[goraman]

Here is your CD's. HAPPY RECORDING!
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Recordable-Recorders-Computer-Assorted/dp/B003429IWC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1326048413&sr=1-2

[Reid Malenfant]

Jeff is 100% correct :) You need to use only CDR that are designed for audio use in your CD recorder. The reason that your CD player probably didn't play the CDRW is because not all CD players can read CDRW ;) It worked fine in your PC as PC DVD/CD drives can read CDRW, you then burnt to CDR & the player played it - proving there was nothing wrong with the CDRW & your player simply won't read them :eyebrows:

By the way, you may well be able to use non audio CDR media in your Pioneer, but you'll have to trick it into thinking it has an audio CDR in it!

I used to do this all the time with my Traxdata. What you do is use one audio CDR for calibration. Then go into record - pause, carefully (with a bit of thin shaped solid core wire) hook the disc tray & slowly pull it out. take out the audio CDR & replace with a standard computer CDR & push it back in carefully.

Then record on that :rfl:


You see the machine is looking for a certain amount of wobble on the CDR track & if there isn't enough it knows it's got a computer CDR in & gives you the finger :finger:

[goraman]

There are also some great mods you can do and it will give you better audio play back.
I had mine recapped with Black gates and Rubicons a better transformer and some filtering removed and in the end it was better than my Marantz of the time.
That unit must be 13 to 15 years old and most likely needs a recap so give it some thought.
I think I got mine in 93 or 94 then new.

[Tea24]

Reid, that is a very succinct explanation and now I know why the Audio CD-RW won't work directly in my CD player (Quad 66) although Audio CD-Rs will.

However once ripped to the computer & then burned to a (non Audio) CD-R all is well and quite a cheap way to do it.

Goramnan, I have got the manual and have been using Audio CD-RW but see above. Actually the machine seems to be working fine. Thanks for the help anyway.