View Full Version : FS: Technics SP-10/Jelco750D/Shure'SAS'
Interest check: Posting this to see if there's any interest in the following (Which will be up for sale from next month onwards after I've digitised a few LPs this month!):
Technics SP-10 Mk.2 - In nice working condition. All spins up to speed perfectly, and very quickly. Runs completely silently. ALL electrolytic caps replaced with quality replacements from Panasonic & BC. Main bearing has been cleaned and re-oiled with genuine Technics oil for this model. I'd give the deck a solid 7.5/10 for visual quality - the platter has some hazing, and there's a few surface marks on the main deck. Original platter mat supplied and in v.good condition, plus a Michell record clamp.
Please note that the braking system has been professionally removed (a common mod for the SP-10 which slightly improves the sound) by Vantage Audio. So if you wanted the immediate stop function sadly this is not the deck for you. Secondly the strobe lamp is evidently on its last legs and will need replacing at some point - sometimes it fires up, sometimes it doesn't (the PSU supply for it is working perfectly fine however).
SP-10 PSU: ALL electrolytic caps replaced with quality replacements from Panasonic & BC. Voltages reset to correct factory specs.
Deck comes with a VERY basic 'starter' plinth - just a slab of MDF! I do have a solid Oak plinth which is available free of charge, but it needs some work done to it. Pic available on request.
Arm: the superb Jelco 750D - 6 months old and barely used. All packaging included. Perfect condition. Comes with Audioquest cable fitted. Fitted to the arm is a superb sounding Shure M75EJ which has been fitted with a state of the art Jico M75ED/2 'SAS' stylus:
http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1457
http://raindropaudio.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jelco-sa-750d-review-hfw-feb-09.pdf
I've kept a record of all the LPs played, and this stylus has seen 52 (cleaned) LPs played with it. Still looks/performs as-new.
Reason for selling: had enough of the whole vinyl experience I'm sorry to say. I only have 100+ LPs compared to the large digital collection I have, so I'm concentrating all my energies into getting the best from that source instead now. I don't have the desire or the money these days to hunt out mint pressings, or take a gamble with modern ones either ;)
Asking £900 for the whole lot, or £750 for the deck+psu only (arm NOT available for sale on its own).
Please PM me if interested. I would prefer that buyer collects only please (from Basingstoke, Hampshire).
Cheers,
- John
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4049/sp10b.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8526/sp10a.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6199/sp10rebuiltpsub.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7007/sp10rebuiltpsua.jpg
P.S. Picture shows the deck with a different cartridge, not the Shure. If you require any further pictures please ask.
Gosh, John, if I wasn't so invested in my SL-1210 I'd pick that up in a snap - and you're only down the road, too! Someone is going to be a very happy bunny. Good luck with the sale.
Well Martin, it's always good to have another project on the go, and/or deck for comparative purposes ;)
(worth a shot folks! :p)
- John
Wakefield Turntables
07-01-2012, 14:23
I cant believe that no-one has picked up on this yet. :scratch:
Bargain price. The SP10 is my "final vinyl frontier" but I just can't at the moment :(
Good luck, and if you'd like a good SL1500 to play your few records to a very fair standard for £75 or so......................
Bargain price. The SP10 is my "final vinyl frontier" but I just can't at the moment :(
Good luck, and if you'd like a good SL1500 to play your few records to a very fair standard for £75 or so......................
Thanks Dave - got a Thorens TD150 for any sudden relapses into this vinyl malarky if need-be, but ta for the offer :)
Think I'm putting this up for sale at the worst possible time (i.e. just after Christmas) so might hang onto it for a while longer and try again later on in the year. Perhaps this is fate telling me not to abandon vinyl or the SP-10 ;)
- John
Dingdong
08-01-2012, 14:51
I'd say keep it. I've just got myself an SP-10 and it sounds bloody lovely, and I haven't put my best tonearm on it yet.
I sometimes fall out of love with vinyl, but when I take the tiny extra bit of trouble over using a cd the results are stunning.
Yeah for SP-10's is what I say!!
Perhaps you're right - don't get me wrong I do enjoy the sound from vinyl somtimes, but all the things that REALLY get on my nerves about it remain audible (to me) unless you throw some serious money at the problem, which I don't have. I also refuse/am not in a position to pay ridiculous sums of money for a cartrige that'll start deteriorating in performance after +/- 500 (approx.) hours & need replacing/retipping, at similar cost. I have to say I'm also extremely impressed by how good digital sounds these days, especially the latest a-sync DACs. Perhaps they don't have quite the same 'magic' as an immaculate condition & well mastered LP played on a top-end system, but the performance remains repeatable each/every time, and digital is still improving. I can genuinely loose myself in digitally played back music these days, so - for me - it's coming of age at last. These days I'd rather concentrate on the music, rather than the condition of the LP, how many hours my stylus has had, is it tracking cleanly towards the end of an LP etc etc etc...
...perhaps I'm not a good advert for vinyl when all is said and done :lol:
I guess I'll let fate decide whether to abandon LP or not, depending upon whether the deck gets snapped up or not ;)
- John
Maybe a better arm???????
Ahhhh the never-ending vinyl roundabout of upgrades/changes to get that elusive 'perfect' sound... Unfortunately I do not have money to burn on endless upgrades. And I'm tired of endless tweaking. The Jelco I bought on the strength of many user reviews, and to be honest that was an expensive purchase for me. But then you read that the headshell 'must' be improved. Then the interconnect cable. Then the headshell wiring... For me, life's too short for all the faffing around with getting the best from vinyl, at least these days. I want to select a song, then relax into it. With vinyl I'm always sub-consciously waiting for potential inner groove distortion - I seem to be especially attuned into that. Or whether I need to adjust the bias just a tad. Whether the arm height needs adjusting... you get the picture. Too many variables.
Even if I did have the perfect setup, I just cannot be arsed these days with spending small fortunes on mint condition original pressings of my favourite albums. Or taking pot-luck on new pressings. For me that's the format over-taking the music in importance.
I'm aiming to forget about the Hi-Fi hobby these days and concentrate solely on buying more music and enjoying the lack of vinyl paranoia ;)
Hi John,
Out of curiosity, have you tried an MC cartridge with your Jelco? :)
Marco.
Hey Marco.
No. Though I did own a Denon 103r, and an Audio Technica AT33e, but this was back before I had the Jelco, but to be honest even they didn't allow me to forget about vinyl's short-comings. I think the only setup which probably would allow me to enjoy vinyl without any hang-ups would be something like a slate plinth for the SP-10, and a Trans-Fi linear tracking arm, with an MC with one heck of a good tracking stylus assembley. But at what financial cost? Truly good condition LPs are pricey these days, and new vinyl is something of a crap-shoot. Perhaps if I won the lottery... ;)
I'm not displeased with the Jelco at all actually (it was DSJR that suggested I try another arm). It's vinyl that I have really had enough with I'm afraid (sacrilege, I know!). Despite what anyone says, I am a firm believer that to rise significantly above vinyl's flaws - so they don't/rarely intrude upon the sound quality - one has NO option but to throw quite a bit of money at it. I have owned a Thorens TD125 mk.2, Rega Planars, Garrard 401s, an LP12, Garrard 301, A Technics SL-10, lattery the SP-10 Mk.2, and with every iteration I've gotten improvements. But I've NEVER gotten to the point where I could fully relax listening to vinyl. It's just not the format for me.
As I said I do not have the means to throw endless wads of money on a never-ending quest. And I do not like the idea of spending 'even' £500 (considered budget by some!!!) on an MC cart, which will then need replacing relatively shortly (I listen to music a LOT). I only have approx. 100 LPs anyway, so it seems daft throwing money at this format.
All IMHO of course, and I realise/respect other people get GREAT enjoyment from their pursuit of ultimate sound from vinyl. Just seems to be whenever someone states their dislike for vinyl, the arguements always come down to, "well your gear isn't good enough" or you need to change this/that etc etc. I've had it with all the tweakery really. It's no longer fun, and it's just not for me these days, plus I truthfully prefer well done digital a lot more now, and have a far more substantial music collection on this format. I'm going to throw the money I do have into this format instead and get the best from my digital collection, instead of making a grand effort for only 100+ LPs.
Runs for cover! ;)
- John
StanleyB
09-01-2012, 10:41
I hardly play vinyl these days, but I can't see myself selling my last remaining turntable.
Lol... Nope, John, can't argue with any of that. The reasons for your decision are sound :)
Perhaps if you'd heard the 103R with the Jelco, as it's a superb match, things may have been different? But it's all immaterial now.
I do agree with this:
I am a firm believer that to rise significantly above vinyl's flaws - so they don't/rarely intrude upon the sound quality - one has NO option but to throw quite a bit of money at it.
However, I would add that it depends on how obvious those flaws are to the individual concerned. You seem pretty sensitive to it. Others are perhaps more able to 'listen through' those faults - and they do exist - to connect better with the music. I would also add that the single most important thing of all with a vinyl rig is set-up, which for optimal playback quality (and least distortion) must be anally correct.
The fact is, reproducing music on vinyl accurately is fraught with challenges, simply because there are so many mechanical interfaces present, and which to optimise, that any imperfections in set-up are ruthlessly revealed in a way that isn't the case with digital, which in that respect, is much more forgiving.
I still maintain that a top turntable set-up, playing mint superbly produced vinyl, will sonically outperform a similarly priced digital set-up, but what you get with good digital is excellent sound quality, and more importantly, consistency. The latter is obviously very important to you, and I fully understand why.
The other very important aspect of enjoying music on vinyl to a consistently high standard, equipment and set-up aside, is the condition and cleanliness of the actual musical media - yes, the records themselves! You can spend buckets of money and tweak your set-up until the cows come home, but if your records are dirty and/or scratched, and contain more snap crackle and pop than a box of Rice Crispies, then you'll NEVER enjoy listening to them. It's as simple as that.
That is why a good (professional quality) RCM is utterly invaluable, to the extent that, providing one's record collection is reasonably large in the first place, I would factor into the available budget when the purchase of a T/T is being considered. I've always said that I'd rather have a less expensive turntable with an RCM, than a more expensive T/T without one.
After all, it's ultimately the quality (or not) of the software that you're listening to, as well as the music recorded onto it....
Marco.
I hardly play vinyl these days, but I can't see myself selling my last remaining turntable.
Me either - I still have a Thorens TD150 Mk.II in the loft (just needs a new plinth and a replacement motor) which I can always use if/when the desire to spin vinyl ever strikes again, and assuming my SP-10 Mk.II gets sold of course...
StanleyB
09-01-2012, 11:28
I got a Technics EPA-501 arm, which is the arm that Technics designed for the SP10. So if anyone wants to have an all Technics TT and arm from their top of the range audio line, here is your chance.
I reckon an eBay listing is your best chance to find a buyer for the SP10. There are loads of non-English speaking SP10 fanatics out there. In Hong Kong they were going for about U$2500 only last year.
...it depends on how obvious those flaws are to the individual concerned. You seem pretty sensitive to it.
I still maintain that a top turntable set-up, playing mint superbly produced vinyl, will sonically outperform a similarly priced digital set-up.
After all, it's ultimately the quality (or not) of the software that you're listening to, as well as the music recorded onto it....
Marco.
Totally agree. And bar the odd extremely lucky find in a charity shop, the kind of music/artists I like command big £££s in the second-hand vinyl market. And one is always at the mercy of the record graders. That's more expense, THEN - as you say - one needs a decent RCM to get the very best out of one's LPs. Then the quest for the perfect record cleaning fluid begins and so on. I do own a KAB record cleaner and have to say for the money it is probabloy the BEST investment I ever made for my LPs. It just lacks any automation whatsoever, and you have to provide the vacuum.
The amount of variables in accurate LP playback are just too many for me to 'relax' with these days. Believe me I've spent entire afternoons/evenings tweaking cartridge alignment (I must have tried every variety of alignment at one time or other), azimuth, tracking weight etc. I'm constantly aware of the slightest hint of mistracking, or even a few ticks and pops - they're not meant to be there. I know there's that argument that in a live performance you have people coughing, chairs scraping, paper rustling and so on, but the fact is that these ticks/pops on vinyl are not on the master. Every single pressing of the same LP also sounds slightly different too. So it may well be a more rewarding listen to many, but I personally doubt it is a decent representation of the original mastertape. That's what I'm keen to reproduce...
The last few concerts I've been to, I noticed I was sitting there thinking, "wow that sounds quite 'hard edged'. Very immediate. Where's the warmth etc" before I came to be senses and realised I WAS listening to the real thing. To me, the immediacy/dynamics of (very well done) digital is much closer to a genuine performance. For me at least.
At the end of the day I just wish that open reel tapes at a decent speed had become the format of choice back then, and not the LP. Now there's a format I'd have LOVED to have bought into. Still occasionally get the urge to buy a mint Pioneer RT-909 or a Technics RS-1700 etc.
Anyways folks, sorry this wasn't meant to turn into an anti-vinyl rant. Each to his/her own - live & let live :) It's cool that so many are into it and CAN enjoy it - I'm envious in fact! I guess I'm into looking forward though and I really do want to support high-res downloads (if this is to be the way of the future) as the few I own really do sound rather special indeed. I just wish ALL the labels would get behind a high-res standard so we get truly great quality releases which eveyone agrees sound ace. Apparently there's a big announcement at CES about Warner's commitment to high-res coming soon. Fingers crossed!
- John
I reckon an eBay listing is your best chance to find a buyer for the SP10. There are loads of non-English speaking SP10 fanatics out there. In Hong Kong they were going for about U$2500 only last year.
$2500?!?? Hmmm - perhaps I shall go the Ebay route instead then (typical I always end up under-pricing stuff I sell!) from what you say. Just a PITA if it goes missing en route, or damaged.
OK I (un)officially withdraw this ad (can I do this Marco?) whilst I decide whether to give vinyl one more shot, or to sell it on the 'Bay. Lots to mull over here!
Sure, matey - it's your ad. If you like, I can lock the thread until you finally make up your mind, and then re-open it, if necessary, later? :)
Marco.
Sure, matey - it's your ad. If you like, I can lock the thread until you finally make up your mind, and then re-open it, if necessary, later? :)
Marco.
That'd be great - fanks a bunch guv'nor! :D
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2026 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.