Hard Drive Failure on my Yamaha HD1300

[Spectral Morn]

Hi Guys


Just switched my HD1300 on and had to listen to a lot of loud clicking coming from the inside, presumably from the HD. Once it settled after the turn on procedure the HD function is not working, nothing there. I presume that means the HD is stuffed? CD drive is still working.

Can a replacement drive be found to fit it, anyone know where I might get such a thing?

The shame of this is I had rare CDs recorded onto it 83 in total (no way of doing backups) and all are now lost I assume :( This really does bring it home that not using physical media is a fools game imho and any who embrace are asking for sad faces in the future.



Regards D S D L

[chrism]

If its dud the data is lost. Absolute must that HD's are backed up and 500mb can be had for under £50.00. I do this on my freeview box and music HD periodically.

A replacement HD should be easy to get if you can post the spec from the sticker on the one you have.

Regards

Chris

[Spectral Morn]

If its dud the data is lost. Absolute must that HD's are backed up and 500mb can be had for under £50.00. I do this on my freeview box and music HD periodically.

A replacement HD should be easy to get if you can post the spec from the sticker on the one you have.

Regards

Chris

Bar burning the CDs there is no output on this to hook up to an external HD, a flaw in the design.

I assume the loud clicking is the data read arm in the HD trying to read data and its not being able to.

I will open it up and have a look.


Regards D S D L

[Mark Grant]

That's a shame :(

probably an old IDE drive and was only 80GB, someone here will probably have one spare to try.

As Chris says, look at the drive and post some part numbers off it.

[Reid Malenfant]

It may not be as easy as that Chris :( If it's anything like my Pioneer DVD recorder it'll probably have a proprietary operating system which will no doubt be on the HDD. So it's quite possible that plugging a new HDD in will result in not a lot happening :rolleyes:

[Tim]

This really does bring it home that not using physical media is a fools game imho
Whilst I completely sympathise with the potential loss of valuable data, I cannot agree with the above statement. Sorry to be blunt, but relying solely on a hard drive to store your valuable data is fraught with danger - I have to fix peoples computers all the time and time and again they don't have any sort of backup. Hard drives fail all the time, they are not designed to last forever so you cannot rely on them unfortunately.

However, your data maybe retrievable but that depends on the O/S and reading it outside your machine, the first step will be to remove the hard drive and try it in another machine if you can? If you take it out or take a picture of it, I reckon you should get some help from us geeks and if we can get you going again, we will ;)

[Spectral Morn]

Whilst I completely sympathise with the potential loss of valuable data, I cannot agree with the above statement. Sorry to be blunt, but relying solely on a hard drive to store your valuable data is a fools game - I have to fix peoples computers all the time and time and again they don't have any sort of backup. Hard drives fail all the time, they are not designed to last forever so you cannot rely on them unfortunately.

However, your data maybe retrievable but that depends on the O/S and reading it, the first step will be to remove the hard drive and try it in another machine if you can? If you take it out or take a picture of it, I reckon you should get some help from us geeks and if we can get you going again, we will ;)

Thank you Tim I hope so.

However it was not designed as a computer though it is in part. Its a CD recorder + HD recorder. Rip to HD keep or burn a CD, once only then the data is wiped off the HD.


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

It may not be as easy as that Chris :( If it's anything like my Pioneer DVD recorder it'll probably have a proprietary operating system which will no doubt be on the HDD. So it's quite possible that plugging a new HDD in will result in not a lot happening :rolleyes:

You may be right Mark.


Regards D S D L

[Reid Malenfant]

Lets hope not Neil ;)

[Tim]

First step is get the blighter out and see if it's IDE or SATA. A clicking sound is not brilliant though :(

[Mark Grant]

According to this link others have swapped the disk for a larger one so it should be possible.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/39071-32-bigger-disk-yamaha-hd1300
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[Reid Malenfant]

Things are looking up then :)

[Tim]

I've just downloaded the owners manual and I'm having a looksee now.

[Spectral Morn]

Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated.

I will open it up in a few minutes and have a look.


Regards D S D L

[Tim]

It looks like it is as Mark says an 80GB IDE hard drive. I'm trying to find out what file system Yamaha have used at the mo ;)

[chrism]

Most recorders can have a new HD without the need for software. I have done this many times on my poor old Digifusion HD box.

If you can post the spec the HD may only be £20.00 or so so must be worthy of ago. Worth taking the disc out and plugging it back in as well as sometimes this works.

If it does (depending on what it is) it may be readable by a PC for backing up but I am getting all excited now!

Don't give in yet.

Regards

[Tim]

Just found this on the AVForum;


There is a way to make a backup ! I've found a little program with which you can exchange data through a pc. Just take the harddisk out of the CDR-HD1500 and put it in an extern usb-hdcase and make your copy to another harddisk.
The other way around I just rip cd's through my pc to an external HD (and keep this one as master) and after that I put them all to a HD that was formatted on a CDR-HD1500.
THe program is called 'Yamaha_CDR-HD1500_Assistant'.
Lots of succes.
The model number is different, but I doubt they would have changed the file system. So if this guy is correct and if the hard drive works at all, you should be able to hook it up to a PC and get the data off? If the drive has failed totally, then that's a tricky one :scratch: I'll keep looking....

Source (http://www.avforums.com/forums/hi-fi-systems-separates/231464-yamaha-cdr-hd1500-2.html)

[Spectral Morn]

It gets better :( just switched my Olive 4HD on and its not working right either :steam: Today seems to be everything fail at once day.

It reads on its screen system starting up please wait been doing that now for 30mins...... normally its up and running in a few.

Today is rapidly becoming one of those days :eek:


Regards D S D L

[The Vinyl Adventure]

Oh dear Neil, hope it turns out ok in the end!

[Tim]

Well if the information on the AV forums is right, then your CD's should have been written to the HDD as WAV files and the drive should be readable by a Windows PC. However, it does appear to do this you need some software called 'Yamaha Assistant', which I haven't found yet as it's a third party program :scratch:

I'll keep googling ;)

EDIT: I'm going to post this link here, so I can find it again http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/viewthread.php?tid=102485

This is for a HD1500, but I think it should work with an HD1300? So if the hard drive is working at all Neil, you should be able to recover the data. If the hard drive has failed, it's then a case of how much do you want the data and how much are you prepared to pay? Data recovery firms can take out the platters and retrieve data from the disks when the HDD controller has failed...... but it's expensive (very).

[Spectral Morn]

Ok got her open and its a Maxdor HD 4D080H4


Regards D S D L

[Tim]

Ok got her open and its a Maxdor HD 4D080H4


Regards D S D L
Yup, that's an 80GB IDE drive

[Tim]

Do you have a desktop PC or a laptop Neil? If you have a desktop and an IDE cable, then I would suggest you hook it up and see if you can access the drive. Let me know what PC you have and the operating system on it? If you don't have an IDE cable I should be able to find one for you and pop it in the post tomorrow?

[Spectral Morn]

Loud clicking is defo coming from the Maxdor.

I pulled the ribbon out and reconnected it so it looks like that has done nothing at all.



Regards D S D L

[Tim]

Loud clicking is defo coming from the Maxdor.
Hmmm, not so good.

[Spectral Morn]

Do you have a desktop PC or a laptop Neil? If you have a desktop and an IDE cable, then I would suggest you hook it up and see if you can access the drive. Let me know what PC you have and the operating system on it? If you don't have an IDE cable I should be able to find one for you and pop it in the post tomorrow?


I have a Sony VPCEB4E4E no IE cable, not even sure what one is.....computer numptie here lol Operating system is Windows 7



Regards D S D L

[Tim]

I have a Sony VPCEB4E4E no IE cable, not even sure what one is.....computer numptie here lol Operating system is Windows 7
Ah, that's a laptop - you will need a caddy then to hook the drive up to your lappy. If you cannot borrow one, they are pretty cheap, but it would be better to check if the drive has failed before buying a caddy.

[Tim]

Got to go now Neil, but will check back. I have not watched all this video as I don't have the time right now, but it does give a glimmer of hope?

sPqdFnb340A

[Spectral Morn]

Thanks for the help Tim, much appreciated, though I feel I am a bit out of my depth on this one.


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

Looks like the Olive is stuffed too :steam: boy this is turning into one of those days.


D S D L

[Mark Grant]

Have you had a power surge/lightning storm as its unusual to loose two things in the same day.

[Spectral Morn]

Have you had a power surge/lightning storm as its unusual to loose two things in the same day.

No Mark, sadly not just sods law striking twice at the same time.


Regards D S D L

[Reid Malenfant]

I find it rather too much of a coincidence that two items of electronic equipment happen to have packed up on the same day :scratch:

Are these bits of kit kept plugged into the mains? Do they have standby buttons or plain on & off switches?

It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibilty that a big mains spike or spikes took them both out :( I'd check with people living near you to see if anyone else has had sudden equipment failure ;)

[Spectral Morn]

I find it rather too much of a coincidence that two items of electronic equipment happen to have packed up on the same day :scratch:

Are these bits of kit kept plugged into the mains? Do they have standby buttons or plain on & off switches?

It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibilty that a big mains spike or spikes took them both out :( I'd check with people living near you to see if anyone else has had sudden equipment failure ;)

None of my other gear is effected TV, Sat, Pan DVD/HD Recorder, VCR etc + my hifi is a ok its a fluke thing.....


Regards D S D L

[Reid Malenfant]

It's a bugger, I don't know about a fluke :eek:

[Spectral Morn]

It's a bugger, I don't know about a fluke :eek:

Its a pain yep.

The Olive its obviously a software problem as it is trying to start up but has failed to do so. Its still trying to. I have switched it off by the mains plug and the power button and it goes back into start up mode.

One of those days.


Regards D S D L

[spendorman]

Got to go now Neil, but will check back. I have not watched all this video as I don't have the time right now, but it does give a glimmer of hope?

sPqdFnb340A

I have used this trick to retrieve data, and sometimes it works. The screws that he's undoing are often anti-tamper ones. I managed to loosen them using some small side cutters. Once loosened, an ordinary small screwdriver will do.

[Spectral Morn]

Hi Guys

If someone can point me in the right direction to get a replacement Maxdor HD the same size and compatible or bigger and compatible. I should be able to swap them out myself.

I don't have the required knowledge or bits to hand to try and sort out the faulty HD to see if its stuffed or not, so getting the Yamaha working again is all I am interested in, at the present time.


Regards D S D :

[MartinT]

Neil, I take it that it's a 3.5" hard disk? Amazingly, you can still get 80GB IDE drives, look at this from eBuyer:

http://www.ebuyer.com/182432-wd-caviar-blue-wd800aajb-80gb-hard-drive-ide-7200rpm-8mb-cache-wd800aajb

Not as cheap as they were because of Thailand and also little demand for IDEs now.

P.S. Maxtor are now part of Seagate, but the drive brand shouldn't matter.

[John]

Really sorry to hear this Neil its must be so frustrating

[jostber]

In the user manual for this unit there is information on how to change and install the hard disk, as well as the recommended replacement type:

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/av/english/cdR/CDR-HD1300.pdf

The service manual seems to be available here:

http://elektrotanya.com/yamaha_cdr-hd1300_e.pdf/download.html

[MartinT]

Yup - the WD I linked to should be fine. Note the manual says 'up to 137GB', so don't be tempted to try a 160GB drive in there.

[Mark Grant]

Although post 11 links to this where a 160GB drive was fitted and working:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/39071-32-bigger-disk-yamaha-hd1300

I guess it only formats it to the 137GB because of some old fashioned file system etc.

[dave2010]

Hi Guys


Just switched my HD1300 on and had to listen to a lot of loud clicking coming from the inside, presumably from the HD. Once it settled after the turn on procedure the HD function is not working, nothing there. I presume that means the HD is stuffed? CD drive is still working.

Can a replacement drive be found to fit it, anyone know where I might get such a thing?

The shame of this is I had rare CDs recorded onto it 83 in total (no way of doing backups) and all are now lost I assume :( This really does bring it home that not using physical media is a fools game imho and any who embrace are asking for sad faces in the future.



Regards D S D LI believe that clicking HDs are not good news, but even so I've heard that there are there are techniques which sometimes work to rescue such drives. I found some details the other day. I'll try to find them again.

Good luck.

[Spectral Morn]

I believe that clicking HDs are not good news, but even so I've heard that there are there are techniques which sometimes work to rescue such drives. I found some details the other day. I'll try to find them again.

Good luck.

Thank you Dave

Any and all help gratefully accepted.


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

Really sorry to hear this Neil its must be so frustrating

Yes John it is.

I bought the Yamaha awhile ago and used it fairly regularly, in fact I used it a few weeks ago to burn a CD compilation.

Against my better judgement I decided to dip my toe into the server market and bought the Olive and to have it go pear shaped as well at the same time really takes the biscuit. So you could say I am a bit fed up however it has reinforced my belief in physical media, so if I get the Olive fixed its going to be sold off. Sounds poor out of its analogue outputs anyway, must be used with an external DAC to get the best from it.

I mainly bought it to use as an upgrade over the Yamaha and use it in a similar way.....:doh: Should not have bothered.

Regards D S D L

[jostber]

If you have someone you know that knows Linux, he should be able to help you rescue all data from the Yamaha's hard drive. Using a Knoppix CD together with dd_rescue is an efficient way to save a disk with bad sectors and/or mechanical failures.

[jostber]

For the Olive 4HD problem you can first try to unplug it and let it wait 10 minutes. Then restart it to see if that works. If not, you can try to reinstall it with the USB option at the Olive web site.

http://www.olive.us/support/software/reinstall.html

After restore update to the latest firmware version.

[Spectral Morn]

I assume this is a suitable replacement for the Yamaha HD that has failed


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seagate-ST3120213ACE-120GB-IDE-3-5-Hard-Disk-Drive-DB35-2-PATA-HDD-ATA-100-HD-/260882761217?pt=UK_Computing_HardDrives_RL&hash=item3cbdd30601#ht_4814wt_952


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

For the Olive 4HD problem you can first try to unplug it and let it wait 10 minutes. Then restart it to see if that works. If not, you can try to reinstall it with the USB option at the Olive web site.

http://www.olive.us/support/software/reinstall.html

After restore update to the latest firmware version.

I have tried that and had no joy.

I have now discovered that there is a CD in the drive and I am wondering if that has caused the problem. Machine is trying to boot up while CD drive is trying to read the CD :doh: Confusion reigns hence it is fighting with its self to start and never does. I can't eject the CD as the Olive never boots up to work. Alas its a slot drive so I can't get into it and the way the Olive is put together prevents getting into it anyway.


Regards D S D L

[Audioman]

I have a spare unused maxtor 80GB ATA hard drive if you are interested.

[Spectral Morn]

I have a spare unused maxtor 80GB ATA hard drive if you are interested.

Hi Paul

Yes indeed.

Pm your details and how much you would like for it.



Regards D S D L

[WAD62]

Thank you Dave

Any and all help gratefully accepted.


Regards D S D L

If you can get the drive out, put it in an appropriate 'USB caddy', you should be a able to get most of your data files from there if you have a normal PC...the 'boot' sector's probably corrupt, but usually the data can be accessed. Norton utilities/ghost can be useful here.

And as Tim said earlier you need b'ups of your data, and even better a proper server that allows RAID imaging...otherwise this will keep on happening. ;)

[Spectral Morn]

If you can get the drive out, put it in an appropriate 'USB caddy', you should be a able to get most of your data files from there if you have a normal PC...the 'boot' sector's probably corrupt, but usually the data can be accessed. Norton utilities/ghost can be useful here.

And as Tim said earlier you need b'ups of your data, and even better a proper server that allows RAID imaging...otherwise this will keep on happening. ;)


Fair points.....


Regards D S D L

[Tim]

These adaptors are handy if you do decide you want to try and recover your data at some point (if it's possible?). More useful than a straight 3.5" USB Caddy, as you can use them for both SATA & IDE drives, 2.5 & 3.5 inch as well as DVD/CD drives.

http://www.ebuyer.com/137103-dynamode-usb-si-c-storage-controller-ide-sata-300-300-mbps-usb-si-c

http://www.amazon.co.uk/IOMAX-SATA-Adapter-Power-Drive/dp/B001A5SK56/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1323796010&sr=8-18

Looks like you have a better idea of where you are Neil and hope you get it sorted. Lot's of budding 'geeks' here to lend a hand if you get stuck ;)

[Audioman]

Neil. When you get the drive you will need one of these to tell you how to format it. Do you have a manual or any software discs. ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cd-rom-Yamaha-CDR-HD1500-CDR-HD1300-CDR-S1000-HD1000-D651-service-manuals-/200678427413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb95dcb15

[Spectral Morn]

Neil. When you get the drive you will need one of these to tell you how to format it. Do you have a manual or any software discs. ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cd-rom-Yamaha-CDR-HD1500-CDR-HD1300-CDR-S1000-HD1000-D651-service-manuals-/200678427413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb95dcb15

There is a procedure on the Yamaha in the instructions that tell me how to do it. Basically the HD1300 will do it for me.


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

These adaptors are handy if you do decide you want to try and recover your data at some point (if it's possible?). More useful than a straight 3.5" USB Caddy, as you can use them for both SATA & IDE drives, 2.5 & 3.5 inch as well as DVD/CD drives.

http://www.ebuyer.com/137103-dynamode-usb-si-c-storage-controller-ide-sata-300-300-mbps-usb-si-c

http://www.amazon.co.uk/IOMAX-SATA-Adapter-Power-Drive/dp/B001A5SK56/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1323796010&sr=8-18

Looks like you have a better idea of where you are Neil and hope you get it sorted. Lot's of budding 'geeks' here to lend a hand if you get stuck ;)


Thanks for the help Tim.


Regards D S D L

[Spectral Morn]

"Its alive, its alive"..........:)


Listening to a recording I made a wee bit earlier from the Maxtor HD that Paul sent me the other day :) that I fitted inside my Yamaha HD1300. So I can use it once again, which is brilliant. This HD is also a fair bit less noisy than the old one, which was always loud in use.

Thank you to everyone that helped, offered advice etc.

The Olive will probably have to go back to Henely.....


Regards D S D L

[Mark Grant]

Good result :) , lets hope the Olive is as easy and low cost to get going again.

[Spectral Morn]

Good result :) , lets hope the Olive is as easy and low cost to get going again.

Thank you Mark, yes I hope so.


Regards D S D L

[dave2010]

"Its alive, its alive"..........:)


Listening to a recording I made a wee bit earlier from the Maxtor HD that Paul sent me the other day :) that I fitted inside my Yamaha HD1300. So I can use it once again, which is brilliant. This HD is also a fair bit less noisy than the old one, which was always loud in use.

Thank you to everyone that helped, offered advice etc.

The Olive will probably have to go back to Henely.....


Regards D S D LDid you recover any of the recordings which were reported lost/missing? There are pages such as this - http://www.datarecoverypros.com/hard-drive-recovery-freeze.html which suggest arcane procedures such as freezing, or banging the drives - gently at first ... Sounds as though some people have reported success with these methods, though presumably as a last resort.

There are several such pages recommending similar procedures. One suggests freezing with at least two ziploc bags.

[Spectral Morn]

Did you recover any of the recordings which were reported lost/missing? There are pages such as this - http://www.datarecoverypros.com/hard-drive-recovery-freeze.html which suggest arcane procedures such as freezing, or banging the drives - gently at first ... Sounds as though some people have reported success with these methods, though presumably as a last resort.

There are several such pages recommending similar procedures. One suggests freezing with at least two ziploc bags.

I lack the knowledge, experience and equipment to do it at present but I will read up on it and have a go in the new year.


Regards D S D L

[Audioman]

I lack the knowledge, experience and equipment to do it at present but I will read up on it and have a go in the new year.


Regards D S D L

Just buy one of the USB conversion cables suggested first and see if the drive is recognised and read by a computor. I can't see what good freezing will do ?

[ersel]

Hi Guys


Just switched my HD1300 on and had to listen to a lot of loud clicking coming from the inside, presumably from the HD. Once it settled after the turn on procedure the HD function is not working, nothing there. I presume that means the HD is stuffed? CD drive is still working.

Can a replacement drive be found to fit it, anyone know where I might get such a thing?

The shame of this is I had rare CDs recorded onto it 83 in total (no way of doing backups) and all are now lost I assume :( This really does bring it home that not using physical media is a fools game imho and any who embrace are asking for sad faces in the future.



Regards D S D L


I know it has been such a long time ago, but I am looking into this as well, specifically for the 1300 model.
The problem has been partially solved with the 1500 model (data transfer from yamaha to PC, thus ensuring the ability to save the data in original form, bit by bit, and protect from the loss in that way). IDE disks are getting harder to find by the day as well, and no attempt to make the SATA hard drive work with the adapter with the HD1500 or the HD1300 have succeded.

If not too much of a bother, get in touch via PM.
I posed the question for the 1300 (someone has been tinkering with some software named "odyssey" or similar) for the HD1300 hard drive data retrieving, but has not bothered to continue.

[Spectral Morn]

I know it has been such a long time ago, but I am looking into this as well, specifically for the 1300 model.
The problem has been partially solved with the 1500 model (data transfer from yamaha to PC, thus ensuring the ability to save the data in original form, bit by bit, and protect from the loss in that way). IDE disks are getting harder to find by the day as well, and no attempt to make the SATA hard drive work with the adapter with the HD1500 or the HD1300 have succeded.

If not too much of a bother, get in touch via PM.
I posed the question for the 1300 (someone has been tinkering with some software named "odyssey" or similar) for the HD1300 hard drive data retrieving, but has not bothered to continue.

I replaced the drive, wasn't too hard to do, and have the original drive somewhere in the house. Maybe some day I might see if its possible to get the music off it, but to date I never did.