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Tasuke
29-10-2011, 19:03
thought i'd start a dedicated thread on how to enable the vintage classic PIONEER ELITE series
PD-91, PIONEER's very first ELITE series CDP, to more reliably read CD-Rs.

((NOTE; the PD-91 is a notoriously finicky CDP in regards to CD-Rs, and, even after this adjustment, it can be rather crotchety about them, apparently due to CD-R brand/reflectivity/CD Burner/ETC. as such, while this adjustment IS absolutely beneficial to the PD-91's CD-R read tolerances, it IS NOT, unfortunately, a cure-all that will enable the player to read everything you throw at it. in fact, the player will often take 30secs./1min. to read the TOC, and/or sync to a track and begin play,
on many CD-Rs. others, it will read just fine, usually taking just a wee bit longer to sync up than it would reading a garden variety Redbook factory CD. in fact, this adjustment speeds up the players
handling of factory CDs, to the degree where the player will nominally read TOC and/or begin playback in less than a 1/2 second. just remember that this is a fussy machine, for whatever reason, with homegrown CD-Rs, and that your personal mileage will most likely vary with your copy
of this magnificent, yet temperamental machine...))


- PD-91, with top aluminum panel removed -

((NOTE, unless you have modded this player as i have, and bummed the alum top plate from
from either the Japanese market PD-3000, or -5000, or from the U.S. PD-93,
then your U.S. and/or EURO/WORLD version PD-91 will require removal
of 16 screws, both rosewood panels, and the pressed sheet metal top bonnet
in order to gain access to the player interior))


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91CD-RAdjustment10-29-111.jpg


now then. there is a series of Variable Potentiometers on the section of PCB directly aft
of the disc transport cage/assy;

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91CD-RAdjustment10-29-112.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91CD-RAdjustment10-29-113.jpg


there are only TWO of these that you want to mess around with.
VR-3 and VR-4, FOCUS GAIN and TRACKING GAIN, respectively.

BOTH are located at the far right, right beside the black-anodized heatsink
vertically mounted on the central stay/DIGITAL section shield;

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91CD-RAdjustment10-29-114.jpg

you will want to adjust these, counter-clockwise, to the positions shown
in that photo directly above.

do this, while attempting to play a CD-R. it should sync/read the disc at those positions
illustrated above. if not, then load another CD-R until it is successfully read.

further adjustment MAY be necessary, if your 91's laser pick-up is tiring out.
in fact, if it is too heavily worn, it may not read ANY CD-R, even if it still spins
factory discs just fine. as always, your personal mileage may vary.


also, please bear in mind that i am NOT a skilled Technician.
i have no electronic service education whatsoever, and this advice is wholly based
on my limited personal self-taught experience.

that said, someone reading this out there just might know how to dial this player
in for smooth CD-R operation better then i do, and may have had better success with it than
me. if that person is out there, then, please, by all means, contribute to this thread...


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91JOHN5-29-112.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20PD-91/PD-91Accs6-20-11.jpg

kompakt
30-10-2011, 17:50
Hello!
What a wonderful piece of building art!
Compared with the new CD player,It looks wonderful.
Great sounding machine!Congratulations .
Regards.
Reza

Tasuke
31-10-2011, 17:41
I used my old PD-91 for CD-R playback early on, around 1994 or 1995, and it worked fine. My opinion is that the problem you have is that the pickups go bad over time in terms of alignment and mechanical performance. I'm not convinced that they can be easily fixed; this is like an car transmission going bad. The engine may be fine, and the brakes work, but if the transmission is bad, the car ain't gonna move.

This is a problem with tons of 20-year-old CD players, not just this one.



well, i'm QUITE happy now... :)

just last night, i opened her up again, and decided to take a careful inspection of the transport assembly.

i removed the stabilizer cage, and ejected the disc tray, before POWER OFF.
i went to inspect the LD pickup on it's floating electromagnetic linear motor mount, and... SOMETHING just did not look right about it.

so, i went and undid the small PHILLIPS head screw and HEX-head bolt
that holds the short shaft in place, that slides through a hole in the
pickup body, and mounts into lugs on the linear motor's pickup mounting cradle, and removed the pickup from the player chassis.

after inspecting it some, i carefully reinstalled it, making sure
that it was firmly and correctly in place, and tightly locked it down
with the copper retaining plate held in place by that PHILLIPS and HEX.

i test it out, and, lo-and-behold, IT READS CD-Rs... every bit as fast (1/2 sec. or less) as it does factory discs!!

in fact, i go into an orgy of CD-R pulling right on the spot,
AND IT READS/PLAYS EVERY ONE OF THEM... in a 1/2sec. or less!!


i think i just solved the problem.

that copper retaining plate i mentioned, that secures the pickup
retaining shaft in place, was not secured tightly when i first got to it, (the PHILLIPS screw was fine, but the HEX-bolt was loose)
and, if the LDP, as a result, wasn't thrown out of place at some time in it's past,
then it evidently amost certainly was, during shipment to my OREGON home, from the original seller, down in TEXAS.

evidently, i can only assume,
the pick-up was poorly installed in the factory, or, much more likely,
a replacement was sloppily installed by a careless service tech
at some time in this player's history.

apparently, that threw off the alignment of the pick-up
to where it had tre greatest difficulty handling CD-Rs...
though it did not seem to affect the handling of factory discs,
i suppose since they are so much easier for any optical drive to read.


at any rate, it does not seem that the seller of this player, the self-proclaimed original owner, lied to me after all,
and that this player WAS seldom used... at least since it's last LD pick-up replacement... if it actually ever had one, that is...

Alex_UK
31-10-2011, 20:46
Brilliant. Just brilliant - thanks for sharing. :)

Rare Bird
31-10-2011, 20:59
Is that chassis copper or copper plated? :eyebrows:

Reid Malenfant
31-10-2011, 21:02
Copper plated ;) Much like the Marantz CD 63 KI signature :)

DSJR
01-11-2011, 09:52
I should advise caution about twiddling with any of the gain/focus presets, as severe mislalignment will quickly destroy the laser, especially if it's getting on a bit. Some older Philips lasers (CD-M4 I think) could have their lives extended by a few tens of hours doing this, but when they subsequently failed, they went completely with no hope of return..

That PD-91 was a stunner - Jimmy Hughes had one for a short while and it sounded lovely. i think it was unfairly overshadowed by the Marantz CD-94 and Sony 555ES at the time (it was slightly cheaper too I remember), but it deserves to be held in the same regard, and not just for its build quality either - I've seen enough copper plated tat in my life not to be fazed by this aspect at all..

Not tat, but a copper lovers glory - the innards of my CD-M2 -

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/DSJR_photos/DSCF1369.jpg

Reid Malenfant
01-11-2011, 20:23
That's definately a CDM4 transport & probably the metal chassis version, same as my Krell DT10 ;) Rare as hens teeth or horse feathers, however the laser from a CDM4/19 can be fitted to the metal chassis & these are pretty plentiful secondhand :)

Just buy them now so you have a good few spares if you intend to keep your machine running :eyebrows:

freefallrob
02-11-2011, 13:04
Lovely CD player, my Dad used to have one, Chris on here owns it now.

MartinT
03-11-2011, 21:34
Nice work, Tasuke. I do miss my PD-91, it truly was a fab player and ahead of its time. Battleship construction, superb slick operation and a looker too.

By the way, I don't know if you've done this already but my PD-91 really gained from a change to better output op-amps. I desoldered the originals and put turned-pin sockets in, then tried a few. I forget which I settled on but it could have been OPA-627 types, an old favourite for sound quality.

StanleyB
03-11-2011, 21:48
Some older Philips lasers (CD-M4 I think) could have their lives extended by a few tens of hours doing this, but when they subsequently failed, they went completely with no hope of return..

You need a laserbeam strength meter and knowledge on how to set up the laser for the sharpest eye pattern.
I sold a brand new CDM4 laser assembly on ebay recently. Bidding was fierce, final bid was astronomical, and it was shipped to Taiwan. The winner was over the moon to have won it.

Reid Malenfant
03-11-2011, 21:55
<snip> I sold a brand new CDM4 laser assembly on ebay recently. Bidding was fierce, final bid was astronomical, and it was shipped to Taiwan. The winner was over the moon to have won it.
There are at least 4 models of CDM4 laser I know of, or should I say the mechanism...

It's the metal mech that goes for silly money, CD players with the plastic mech CDM4/19 can be picked up cheap still ;)

StanleyB
03-11-2011, 22:06
There are at least 4 models of CDM4 laser I know of, or should I say the mechanism...

It's the metal mech that goes for silly money, CD players with the plastic mech CDM4/19 can be picked up cheap still ;)
I know. You are talking to a former authorized Philips CDP repair engineer here ;).

Reid Malenfant
03-11-2011, 22:10
I know. You are talking to a former authorized Philips CDP repair engineer here ;).
Well that's good :eyebrows: I have a bit of a big suspicion that the laser from the CDM4/19 can be retrofitted to the metal mechanism...

Care to comment Stan? I'd value your input :)

StanleyB
03-11-2011, 22:17
The 'pin' outputs on the ribbon cable that comes from the laser pick-up itself were not uniform in functionality. I would have to see if I can lay my hand on any of the CDM manuals.

Reid Malenfant
03-11-2011, 22:21
Cheers Stan, no rush but it would or should I say could be helpful :)

Reid Malenfant
04-11-2011, 19:27
Well it appears that horse feathers & hens teeth are not quite as rare as I thought ;) Just picked up a CDM4/36 metal mechanism :)

Looks like I'll be able to compare the CDM4/19 laser without having to rip my Krell to bits :cool:

Handy :eyebrows: