'Left field' suggestions for my next tt, please ...

[jandl100]

Hmmm ... my new Trichord Dino with its chunky Avondale PSU has been a nice improvement, but it seems to have resulted in a craving for a new/better turntable. :rolleyes:

So, I'd be interested in suggestions from you good folks. :)

I currently have a Pioneer PL-600X direct drive. Highly rated by a certain magazine editor who is sometimes seen in this neighbourhood!

But I think I'd like a change - I'm a boxswapper, right? :eyebrows:

So suggestions with a budget of, ooo - I dunno - up to £600 or so maybe. Less is fine.

I do like something that is a bit 'different' and I don't usually have much joy in revisiting kit I've previously owned (it's the boxswapper thing again!).

Suggestions please! :cool:

[DSJR]

You could get a bargain from Alex and put his wife out of her misery (being moved out by all the CD's, wine and audio gear moving in :D Only £150 or so to you sir.... :lol:

[Alex_UK]

Have you tried a Nottingham Analogue TT, Jerry? I know I'll be accused of being an apprentice shill elsewhere, as DJSR is also a fan and hfi_dave is a dealer, but I can't help how I git to hear a rather nice sound first, can I? :eyebrows:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/nottingham-analogue-spacedeck-turntable-/300605794125?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item45fd80674d#ht_2946wt_1396

[DSJR]

That tonearm looks suspiciously like my mentor arm as well - hmmmmmmm......... Counterweight housing is slightly different though.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/DSJR_photos/TheeDecca1.jpg

A twenty year old Spacedeck isn't quite the same as a current one I understand, but it's bloody good, can easily be serviced and sonically I think it beats most LP12's at their own game. One of the very few decks that transforms a Rega RB tonearm into something that sings beautifully, although Tom's arms are rather better I always thought - especially for Decca's..

[jandl100]

Thanks DJSR. Mmm ... Alex's RPM4 does look nice. I'm a bit concerned that I'm prepared to pay more, though, if you know what I mean.
Do you think Alex would accept £600? :scratch:
:eyebrows:

Hi Alex - Yeah - I had a NottAnalog deck before - I didn't really get on with the sound and I was horrified at how delicate and fine the tonearm wires were ... I ain't goin' there again, bro' - nightmare! :doh:

[Alex_UK]

I knew the challenge would to be to find something you haven't tried before! :D

[jandl100]

yep - I've tried a few in my time - that's why I suggested some 'left field' ideas would be useful! :)

[Alex_UK]

Sitting here listening to my 401, I'm wondering...? Have you been there, before Jerry???

Probably end up going over budget, but not by a huge amount depending on arm and plinth, and assuming you have a cartridge you could use with it?

[jandl100]

Nope, Alex, I've not done a 401, and the idea is appealing.

But I don't do DIY and I don't want to get into the game of getting stuff upgraded myself ... vintage stuff can often be money sinks, or so it seems to me.

I want to buy 'off the shelf' - plug & play, that's me!

[Alex_UK]

So... fussy, hard to please, a bit lazy - and already with an extensive list of ex's - this will be harder than I thought! ;)

[DSJR]

Just get a bloody technics 1200 mk summatorother..... off the shelf, ready to go and with some of the traders here waiting to relieve you of the remaining dosh on fancy headshells, feet, mats and of course power supplies..

There ya go - Sorted :)

[jandl100]

Yep, Dave - a Techie 1200/1210 is good. I've owned a stock 1210 and added a Herbie mat, so I would only be interested in buying an upgraded one. A fancy bearing or PSU or whatever ... but I'm too tight to want to pay to get a stock one upgraded! I'd lose too much on the resale - I'm a boxswapper, remember!:)

[DSJR]

Goldring Lenco G99, as long as it's running. Stick it under your bed for six months and sell it for hundreds profit ;)

[Dingdong]

A Rock?

[camtwister]

Presuming that a Garrard 4HF is a little too left-field, how about a Funk Firm Vector instead? The III is above your budget new but there'll be second-hand II's looking for a new owner with arm and cartridge for £600.

[southall-1998]

A Rock?

+1

[Audioman]

Mitchell Orbe SE + Rega or SME. Might be more to your tastes than Notts Analogue. Anything better thats not DIY gets into silly money.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Mitchell Orbe SE + Rega or SME. Might be more to your tastes than Notts Analogue. Anything better thats not DIY gets into silly money.

For Jerry's budget, that would constitute silly money.


So suggestions with a budget of, ooo - I dunno - up to £600 or so maybe. Less is fine.

[WOStantonCS100]

Trans-Fi Salvation??

I only own his arm, so I can't speak to the table itself. However, the arm is extremely well engineered and works a charm. I'm thinking Vic is equally as meticulous with his "baby". Being that it's an external idler (and a very good motor at that) setup up should be a breeze.

[jandl100]

Trans-Fi Salvation??


Wow - looks great - have just seen Barry's review http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/16/01/2011/trans-fi-salvation-turntable-a-world-premier-review/

Yup, if they'll take £600 for that £2200 tt it's a deal! :lol:

[jandl100]

A Rock?

Hmmm ... I bought a Rock II a whiles back - but the speed stability was totally screwed up - there wasn't any :eyebrows: - so I returned it. Must admit I've not heard an older Rock that could hold a steady speed, and I've heard a few. I hear tell that newer ones have got that leetle problemette sorted, but I don't want to spend that much.

[jandl100]

Mitchell Orbe SE + Rega or SME. Might be more to your tastes than Notts Analogue. Anything better thats not DIY gets into silly money.

Yep, as Chris says, I don't want to spend that much.

A cheapish Gyro might be attainable, even though I've had one before I might consider that - it was a nice tt!

I must confess, though, that I have previously sworn never to get anything but a direct drive due to my over-sensitivity to speed variations ... a classical grand piano and an orchestral violin section reveal all as far as that is concerned. :rolleyes:

Maybe a tweaked up Techie is the answer?

[jandl100]

Many thanks for the suggestions and comments, folks :thumbsup: - keep 'em coming! :)

[ninja]

Opus3 Continuo with Cantus tonearm?

approx. 1000€ new.

http://rauna.e-butik.se/

[John]

The Salvation is an awesome deck. by the way the review is by Clive. The Salvation is well out of Jerry price range and is a keeper as its performance is in the super high end price range. You be able to hear the Salvation at Scalford
How about something like a PL71 or one of the top range Sony or JVC direct drives

[Dingdong]

If speed stability is an issue then some sort of direct drive, that doesn't need £2k of upgrades, might be an idea.

How's about summat like this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trio-Kenwood-KD-750-Turntable-/260879635764?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item3cbda35534

Maybe have a mooch on here for ideas.

http://www.dd-turntables.com/news_1.html.

[jandl100]

If speed stability is an issue then some sort of direct drive, that doesn't need £2k of upgrades, might be an idea.

Yup, I think that's right.

Maybe this tweaked Techie 1200 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-sl-1200-mk-2-/320783141107?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4ab02a48f3

eBay auction with a £2k starting price .... :stalks:
:)

[John]

Bang on your budget I not heard it but a few others like Dave might have
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trio-Kenwood-KD-750-Turntable-/260879635764?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item3cbda35534

[Dingdong]

Yup, I think that's right.

Maybe this tweaked Techie 1200 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-sl-1200-mk-2-/320783141107?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4ab02a48f3

eBay auction with a £2k starting price .... :stalks:
:)


An upgraded bearing for £90. Which one is that? And he's spent all that money and stuck with the stock arm. Mmm....

[jandl100]

Bang on your budget I not heard it but a few others like Dave might have
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trio-Kenwood-KD-750-Turntable-/260879635764?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item3cbda35534

Thanks John - that Kenwood dd is interesting.
I see that Shuggie has/had one http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7429
Anyone know how he's got on with it?

Some folks on Audiogon report speed problems with the model http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1117669640&openflup&10&4#10

[Tarzan]

Thanks John - that Kenwood dd is interesting.
I see that Shuggie has/had one http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7429
Anyone know how he's got on with it?


Yeah but she is a looker Jerry;)

[jandl100]

Yep - I like lady singers who are lookers - but I don't want my tt to warble! :eyebrows:

[julesd68]

Here is a very tasty Italian beauty -

http://www.hifi-forsale.co.uk/moreinfo7.php?prod_title=bluenote_audio_vox&p=turntable&prod_id=248&bq=blue&offset=

I have not seen this one in the flesh but have seen the rest of the Bluenote range - very nicely engineered decks ...

If you can up the budget a bit, this one is even better -

http://www.hifi-forsale.co.uk/moreinfo7.php?prod_title=Bluenote/Goldenote_Belvedere&p=turntable&prod_id=542&bq=bluen&offset=

[jandl100]

Thanks for the links, Jules.

My gawd - the hififorsale site has been improved!! :stalks:

[Audioman]

Yep, as Chris says, I don't want to spend that much.

A cheapish Gyro might be attainable, even though I've had one before I might consider that - it was a nice tt!

I must confess, though, that I have previously sworn never to get anything but a direct drive due to my over-sensitivity to speed variations ... a classical grand piano and an orchestral violin section reveal all as far as that is concerned. :rolleyes:

Maybe a tweaked up Techie is the answer?

Unless you go for the very expensive Techi tweaks it may not be that much better than your present deck. Mitchell decks with the upgraded power supplies are very pitch stable. A used Gyro would be attainable for a little over your budget. For most suggestions that have been made you will need extra for a new arm unless you have one spare. £600 limit is difficult unless you want to risk a downgrade.

[jandl100]

£600 limit is difficult unless you want to risk a downgrade.

Hi Paul

I've a feeling you may be right - the Pioneer is indeed quite a nice deck/arm ... but it cost me well under £200 so I naturally figured that spending 2-4x as much would be worthwhile! :scratch:

Pretty as well, innit! ...

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/PioneerPL600tt.jpg

[Theo]

Jerry
I'm completely converted to direct drives after purchasing my Trio L-07D. However, it was completely stripped down and re-built by Richard at Vantage Audio, effectively turning it into an as-new model: is this an option you've considered for your Pioneer? You may get a "new" turntable for much less than you bargained for...

[Audioman]

Thanks for the links, Jules.

My gawd - the hififorsale site has been improved!! :stalks:

Yes looks like it's under new ownership (run from Bristol). The only bargains have been snapped up otherwise rather optimistic asking prices I think. Gyro QC at £1650 :eek: Don't know much about Bluenotes but I think Geoff husband on TNT reviewed one a few years ago. If they were that good I would have thought more would be heard of them in the UK. Look nice though.

[Audioman]

Jerry
I'm completely converted to direct drives after purchasing my Trio L-07D. However, it was completely stripped down and re-built by Richard at Vantage Audio, effectively turning it into an as-new model: is this an option you've considered for you Pioneer? You may get a "new" turntable for much less than you bargained for...

Great Theo but you've got the mutts nutts there. Wish I could lay hands on one for reasonable money.

[synsei]

Kenwood-KD-650-Turntable (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Kenwood-KD-650-Turntable-Direct-Drive-Boxed-/330628802877?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4cfb03293d)

These sound spiffing Jerry, the price is right and they look mighty fine too... :cool:

[Audioman]

Kenwood-KD-650-Turntable (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Kenwood-KD-650-Turntable-Direct-Drive-Boxed-/330628802877?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4cfb03293d)

These sound spiffing Jerry, the price is right and they look mighty fine too... :cool:

Unfortunately it's pick up only and in Yorkshire. Think the buy it now is slightly optimistic.

[Macca]

yeah £200 too optimistic

[Darren]

yeah £200 too optimistic

Really? I didnt think it was that bad. Maybe £50 over....

I've dealt with Mark before now - He's a lovely guy.

[Macca]

Really? I didnt think it was that bad. Maybe £50 over....

I've dealt with Mark before now - He's a lovely guy.

Yes okay I was maybe exaggerating for effect, but the world is awash with decent used TTs for sale, £450 buys quite a lot.

[julesd68]

Don't know much about Bluenotes but I think Geoff husband on TNT reviewed one a few years ago. If they were that good I would have thought more would be heard of them in the UK. Look nice though.

I don't think Goldenote / Bluenote have done anything in the way of marketing or promotion in the UK and I only know of one dealer so that's why very few people have heard of them. They also do a very nice range of arms.

[julesd68]

Hi Paul

I've a feeling you may be right - the Pioneer is indeed quite a nice deck/arm ... but it cost me well under £200 so I naturally figured that spending 2-4x as much would be worthwhile! :scratch:

Pretty as well, innit! ...

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/PioneerPL600tt.jpg

Jerry,

If you like Pioneers you could go further up their range - have you heard the PL-71? They are actually very difficult to find now that people have discovered how good they can be. Excellent build quality and a lovely arm. I haven't decided whether to sell mine now I have two decks but if you are interested let me know. It would be well within budget and a significant upgrade for you.

[jandl100]

Jerry,

If you like Pioneers you could go further up their range - have you heard the PL-71?

Must admit I remember not very long ago at all when Richard / Gromit picked up a nice example for £85!! It makes me rather shy of spending the multiple £hundreds required today!

I think I just like Jap direct drives actually - or Jap turntables full stop!

Here's my old Denon DP62L dd ... luvvly isn't she. :drool:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/DenonDP-62Ltt.jpg

And here's my Techie 1210 with a rather OTT LP weight!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/LPclamp1.jpg

And here's my Yamaha PF800 belt drive - luvvly deck, if not as spot on speedwise as I'd have liked.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/YamahaPF-800.jpg

[DSJR]

Jerry sir, I just can't get my head round all this box-swapping. I know, it's a compulsive thing for you and of you can afford to take the occasional loss, then good for you guv..

Haven't a clue how it sounded, but that Pioneer at the top looked great to me. IMO, most if not all these decks need carefull isolation if mid-bass issues are to be kept at bay.

I wonder if you can get hold of a good working Sony PS-8750, or even 6750? The TTS-3000 and 8000's are legendary and priced accordingly, but the 8750, although fetching a good premium, had a great arm and in truth, easily out-performed an early LP12. It was sadly gone before it could really make an impact, such is the japanese way of the 1970's - keep a product for a season or two and then replace it with something else, which may be good, or not....... :(

[Reid Malenfant]

I think I just like Jap direct drives actually - or Jap turntables full stop!

Here's my old Denon DP62L dd ... luvvly isn't she. :drool:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/DenonDP-62Ltt.jpg

Yes that Denon is a looker :stalks:

What you ought to try to find Jerry is a JVC QLY-5F, only if you like Japanese DD TTs of course ;) It has an arm similar to the Sony Biotracers where you static balance the arm & then apply mass to the cartridge electronically. There is variable electronic damping & anti scate to...

Lovely looking deck & nice sounding with an MC cartridge :)

5516
5517

I'm looking forward to getting mine set up again :eyebrows:

[jandl100]

Jerry sir, I just can't get my head round all this box-swapping. I know, it's a compulsive thing for you

Well, no - I honestly don't think I suffer from OCD. I just enjoy trying different things, and the annual nett loss (expenditure) budget is set by swmbo, so all is kept happy on the Home Front. :)

I've been retired for over 10 years now so I have the time to play with these things. :carrot:

Try as they might, this is such a radical change from their own lifestyle that some folks just can't get their heads round the concept though - so don't worry, you aren't alone! ;)


I wonder if you can get hold of a good working Sony PS-8750, or even 6750?

Hmm - there's a Sony PS-X75 Biotracer on ebay for £595 (collected from S. Yorks :() ... is that worth considering? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290620762901?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[DSJR]

I don't know that one guv'nor. Being me, I think Sony were getting desperate by this time for new ideas to attract the punters. I'm sure it works beautifully though and probably sounds good if properly sited for all I know :)

[Dingdong]

Well, no - I honestly don't think I suffer from OCD. I just enjoy trying different things, and the annual nett loss (expenditure) budget is set by swmbo, so all is kept happy on the Home Front. :)

I've been retired for over 10 years now so I have the time to play with these things. :carrot:

Try as they might, this is such a radical change from their own lifestyle that some folks just can't get their heads round the concept though - so don't worry, you aren't alone! ;)



Hmm - there's a Sony PS-X75 Biotracer on ebay for £595 (collected from S. Yorks :() ... is that worth considering? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290620762901?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649



If you enjoy swapping a box or two then bloody good on you. Personally I like tinkering with stuff and experimenting now and then. Sometimes I even listen to music.
What I can't understand is those that have large collections of different bits of kit when they only listen to one system at a time. What the fuck is that all about? Bloody wierdos.

[synsei]

Ahem!!! :uhho: :D

[MartinT]

I'm looking forward to getting mine set up again :eyebrows:

Vinyl, Mark? Do tell!

[Darren]

The guy selling the biotracer has done a YouTube clip as a demo - he has a charming Barnsley accent. Worth a look.

[jostber]

The Origin Live Aurora has received many good reviews, and has a reasonable price for quality TT:

http://www.audiorevelation.com/cre/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=243

[RobbieGong]

I like the X75 Biotracer it does look the business and definately a fine turntbable, I've even contemplated trying one but with hindsight I would get a bit tired of the automated operation, 'press this, press that' etc. I just want to pick an arm up and place it where ever I like to be honest, not press something for operation to commence no matter how slick and smooth -Now if a mint PS 8750 turned up .......... :eyebrows:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EXgDI8DeN_E/S56rAeoFzaI/AAAAAAAAFxg/iK1-JyfEgVY/s1600-h/SonyPS8750-090617-687.jpeg

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EXgDI8DeN_E/S56rAeoFzaI/AAAAAAAAFxg/iK1-JyfEgVY/s320/SonyPS8750-090617-687.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://danielvol4.blogspot.com/2010/03/sony-ps-8750-turntable.html&usg=__NY-yOHqW5vqt_da1NnWwr1lEYU0=&h=213&w=320&sz=23&hl=en&start=2&zoom=1&tbnid=0MNi_X7dv25yjM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=118&ei=fm6sTs72Msje4QSbtMjTDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsony%2Bps%2B8750%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

[RobbieGong]

The Origin Live Aurora has received many good reviews, and has a reasonable price for quality TT:

http://www.audiorevelation.com/cre/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=243

Nice recomendation Jostein, Very nice indeed. Those reviews point to this turntable being superb, especially for what is not a lot of money at all for any exceptional vinyl spinner. In fact wouldn't mind trying one myself, looks really good too. Only thing is I've had direct drive for donkies years, would this pose a problem ? Secondly, is vta adjust easy on this deck ? Again - Nice deck and for that money :thumbsup:

[Audioman]

Hi-Fi World gave it a good review at the time but still prefer the Technodec at similar price point. Perhaps Beobloke may be able to comment.

[jandl100]

Inspired by the tomfoolery in the glass-mat / isonoe thread, I've bypassed the slightly squidgy footers on my Pioneer with wooden cup/cone supports, these atop a glass shelf, this atop aluminium cones on a granite slab, this atop a bolted metal IKEA metal rack. :eyebrows:

Hmmm ... that may be all the upgrade I need for a while! - defo given the Pioneer a more forthright & explicit presentation, which is what I was after. A lovely 'spang' now to solo geetar etc.