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Hi
Would anyone be interested in swapping some CD's to rip? In other words I send you 20 of mine and you send me 20 of yours (not in cases as too heavy). I rip them to flac and send them back and you do the same?
Mine are mostly funk and soul with a bit of 80's electronic etc, etc.
Not exactly legal, is it?
If you're going to do that, why risk the originals in the post twice ? Why not do it this way - I burn 20 CDs worth of FLACS that I've ripped from my CDs to a few dvd-rs and post them to you. You do the same. Still just as illegal, but no risk of the originals getting lost in the post.
oh sorry in a fit of madness what have I done! Please delete asap...
Thing Fish
28-08-2011, 11:44
:D
oh sorry in a fit of madness what have I done! Please delete asap...
Too late! A fully armed Federal Task Force is on its way to you as I type! :eek:
I have a few ideas on the subject, I'll detail after my noon nap. ;)
Thing Fish
28-08-2011, 11:57
I thought you were allowed to share music. If you form a club ie the 'AOS music club?'
Isn't this how torrent sites get away with it...?
If I have bought and paid for a CD surely I can lend it to someone? Its not file sharing is it?
Spectral Morn
28-08-2011, 12:27
If I have bought and paid for a CD surely I can lend it to someone? Its not file sharing is it?
Yes you can but suggesting whole sale copying of those CDs (during the period of the exchange/loan) is where the problem is.....
Regards D S D L
If I have bought and paid for a CD surely I can lend it to someone? Its not file sharing is it?
Technically, I don't think it's legal to lend someone your cds. Many cds I own have the following statement - "Unauthorised copying, hiring, lending , public performance and broadcasting of this record prohibited. "
No, but do we all follow the letter of the law, when it comes to this sort of thing? I seriously doubt it! ;)
In the old days, when there used to be the skull and crossbones symbol on album covers, stating: 'Home Taping is Killing Music', how many of us did that stop from taping all our albums for playing in the car or on a portable ghetto blaster, or from taping the Top 40 chart show on a Sunday night?
Marco.
Not exactly the same thing, but the Marillion forum have a CD exchange where it's a sample disc. The idea is a theme is suggested, then each person in the exchange club prepares a CD with a selection of music from differing bands and forwards that to another people on the list. The idea being to promote lesser known bands and encourage others to buy their full albums. Of course, Spotify can now do this, but a lot still don't have Spotify.
I have a few ideas on the subject, I'll detail after my noon nap. ;)
Respect, Dimitri - and a man after my own heart! Boozy lunch = sleepyland later... :eyebrows:
I'll be having my wee nap shortly!
Marco.
I am a great lover of quoting movie lines, Road House, Sam Elliott....
I'll get all the sleep I need when I'm dead....:lol:
Lol... I'm a sleep-a-holic, and can sleep anywhere at the drop of a hat!
I need a minimum of 8 hours a day, in order to function properly, excluding my wee nap-ette in the afternoon, after consuming two or three glasses of vino with my lunchtime home-made pasta! :goodnight:
Marco.
My idea is the following:
We establish a common (master) List of Music Styles (maintained centrally, here on AoS).
Each member declares himself 3 music style references that he prefers (and that he masters the most).
Each member, in the 3 styles he prefers, maintains a list of 15 Reference ("top") CDs and 15 Discovery ("rare" or "interesting") CDs.
Then, the "CD ballet" can start : The best is to put the albums in FLAC (or other lossless) file format, on a DVD and send. ;)
PS: I have a private server with my CD collection. The upload speed is not great, unfortunately, otherwise I would let you use it as an private exchange platform. Perhaps someone else has a safe (with https connection) server ?
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erm, oh why not, +1, possibly, depending on whose reading.http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ef638feff1abf52122669d56d85cc826c21ba6b367aaa3084a 2f3cde758863382g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=cmh7jiqq7ga1656&thumb=5)
How about vinyl? Say I have some vinyl I wanted to sell (as I'm not in a position to be able to play it), but rather than take cash, I could exchange it for a cdr that, ahem, may or may not have a lovely rip of the record on?
vinylspinner
28-08-2011, 21:33
Hi Lee,
What about sending me a list of your vinyl, any that I like I will swap with the original cd if I have it in my collection (approx 2000 cds)
Now that must be legal, right?
Nigel
Thing Fish
28-08-2011, 21:42
Why not download direct from a torrent site? Its legal at the moment?
You can have all the music you want as long as you leave it up to seed?
Why not download direct from a torrent site? Its legal at the moment?
You can have all the music you want as long as you leave it up to seed?
Hmm, I don't think it is. :eyebrows:
Thing Fish
28-08-2011, 22:22
Hmm, I don't think it is. :eyebrows:
At the moment I believe its pending...
Stratmangler
28-08-2011, 23:19
Why not download direct from a torrent site? Its legal at the moment?
You can have all the music you want as long as you leave it up to seed?
The issue is not that of whether or not torrents are legal, but whether the material is copyrighted or not.
There are plenty of legitimate uses for torrents, but the transfer of copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner is not one of them.
Why not download direct from a torrent site? Its legal at the moment?
You can have all the music you want as long as you leave it up to seed?
Where on earth did you get that idea from...... file sharing of copyright music is illegal plain and simple.
Thing Fish
28-08-2011, 23:41
At last Ive received a response. It was beginning to think I was invisible?:lol:
At last Ive received a response. It was beginning to think I was invisible?:lol:
Don't think anyone was ignoring you mate, just not sure what to reply as I for one didn't know if you were right or not.
Stratmangler
29-08-2011, 11:09
At last Ive received a response. It was beginning to think I was invisible?:lol:
Who said that ? :ner::lolsign:
Hi Lee,
What about sending me a list of your vinyl, any that I like I will swap with the original cd if I have it in my collection (approx 2000 cds)
Now that must be legal, right?
Nigel
Well, I never had much vinyl in the first place and I have replaced most of it with CDs but there are some that are either not available on cd, such as some 12" singles, or have a different track list on cd, such as Japan's Excorsizing Ghosts 2lp collection.
I used to love doing complmentions for friends, and this often lead to them getting into bands buying albums and attending gigs, it seems like those more innocent days are gone
Rare Bird
29-08-2011, 11:51
What's a complmention? :D
lol another bad spelling day mate
Ok, so say I've ripped all my CDs, have them all backed up onto a hard drive stored at my parents, while the CDs themselves are stored in boxes in the attic. What if my house burns down and all the CDs are destroyed? Am I not allowed to keep my rips? It's ridiculous!
Or, what if I simply lose a cd or three? At the end of the day, home taping never killed music, it made it grow.
Technically speaking it is not legal to do the rips in the first place.
Copying to compact cassette in the 70s and 80s did no harm to music sales, in fact they grew significantly over that period. It enabled people to get into music cheaply. Digital copying, however, seems to scare the life out of the suits.
Ultimately, as Andre says, Bodie and Doyle have got bigger fish to fry so it is very unlikely to ever 'come on top' especially if no money is changing hands,
Stratmangler
29-08-2011, 12:21
Copying to compact cassette in the 70s and 80s did no harm to music sales, in fact they grew significantly over that period. It enabled people to get into music cheaply. Digital copying, however, seems to scare the life out of the suits.
The difference between then and now is that the bootleg copies were small local groups of friends, and distribution between them was small scale, to say the least.
And you'd usually find that the taped copies were not as good sounding as an original, so if you liked something enough you'd go out and buy it.
The issue with digital copying is that once uploaded to the internet then it's availible for anyone with an internet connection and computer to download it.
And because the copy is sonically as good as the physical item, there's no impetus for the listener to buy at all.
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And you'd usually find that the taped copies were not as good sounding as an original, so if you liked something enough you'd go out and buy it.
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Maybe that is the crux of the problem? - not enough people care or know about about good SQ these days. Personally I find MP3 or anything less than red book CD quality pretty much unlistenable. A concept my work colleagues with their Ipods and downloads find uttterly baffling.
Stratmangler
29-08-2011, 12:31
Maybe that is the crux of the problem? - not enough people care or know about about good SQ these days. Personally I find MP3 or anything less than red book CD quality pretty much unlistenable. A concept my work colleagues with their Ipods and downloads find uttterly baffling.
You've slightly missed my point.
If you look you can find losslessly ripped material on the internet.
You've slightly missed my point.
If you look you can find losslessly ripped material on the internet.
I am sure that is the case but not on the major download sites like I-Tunes - or maybe they do that now? TBH I am in the computers and hi-fi don't mix camp so I don't really follow developments in that area too closely. I was mildly interested in trying out Spotify until I read here that the resolution is below that of CD
If you look you can find losslessly ripped material on the internet.
That's exactly right Chris.
I know a lot of musicians and they have no beef at all with the age old (now dying) practice of compilation tapes/discs swapped amongst friends to promote their music. It's the mass wholesale downloading by people who have no intention of buying their music in the first place, they object too. It's a very hard world out there for up and coming musicians, most people are totally oblivious to that. Why do you think there are so many festivals and bands on tour these days? With CD's (if they can sell them) for a fiver, that does not leave much for the artist - get it for free and they get squat. Live music is the only way a lot of musicians can make any money these days.
I think back to the 70's and I used to pay £8 to £10 for an LP and think nothing of it, because that's the price you paid. I've got more money to spend now and 40 years later when I see a CD for £10.00 I think that's expensive - what's wrong with that picture :scratch:
Things have changed a bit, well lots in fact, regarding downloaded music.
As often is the way with quality audio in general it’s not the big commercial concerns that tend to move things forward, it’s the modding and audio enthusiast community that break the new ground. Generally speaking the large commercial concerns just can’t move fast enough and this seems to very much be the case with regard to downloaded music.
It’s a complete myth that music download is all about low bit rate mp3 files.
In fact, part of the reason for the recent attempts by governments and commercial concerns alike are attempting to restrict pirate torrent sites for example, is that many now offer Flac and WAV files for free download.
Fast internet speeds and high bandwidth means under ideal circumstances you can download a complete album in Flac format in under 5 minutes.
What’s particularly interesting is there are groups of serious audio enthusiasts who know exactly what they are doing ripping these Flac and WAV files using rippers such as EAC and dbpoweramp on quality drives. They even tell you the ripping method and equipment used. It’s a bit like the real beer campaign in England. These music up-loaders are very serious about their audio quality, often providing complete art work and documented band history in the download. How does an estimated 2000+ albums perfectly ripped to Flac availible for free download just on one pirate site sound.
You may think and say what you like about the legal and moral aspects but it is a grave mistake to believe companies such as itunes rule the quality download roost.
Things have changed a bit, well lots in fact, regarding downloaded music.
As often is the way with quality audio in general it’s not the big commercial concerns that tend to move things forward, it’s the modding and audio enthusiast community that break the new ground. Generally speaking the large commercial concerns just can’t move fast enough and this seems to very much be the case with regard to downloaded music.
It’s a complete myth that music download is all about low bit rate mp3 files.
In fact, part of the reason for the recent attempts by governments and commercial concerns alike are attempting to restrict pirate torrent sites for example, is that many now offer Flac and WAV files for free download.
Fast internet speeds and high bandwidth means under ideal circumstances you can download a complete album in Flac format in under 5 minutes.
What’s particularly interesting is there are groups of serious audio enthusiasts who know exactly what they are doing ripping these Flac and WAV files using rippers such as EAC and dbpoweramp on quality drives. They even tell you the ripping method and equipment used. It’s a bit like the real beer campaign in England. These music up-loaders are very serious about their audio quality, often providing complete art work and documented band history in the download. How does an estimated 2000+ albums perfectly ripped to Flac availible for free download just on one pirate site sound.
You may think and say what you like about the legal and moral aspects but it is a grave mistake to believe companies such as itunes rule the quality download roost.
Three years ago you could illegally download pretty much anything in MP3 format, if you're that way inclined. Back then however FLAC/WAV was thin on the ground, now its pretty much caught up with MP3. What amazes me now is how often the super rare/expensive/out of print recordings seem to always be made available for free download. The 24bit stuff, the japanese JVCDs, the early 80's synth pop that never got re-released and goes for a bomb on Amazon via private sellers. All the stuff that falls out of the price range of most sane people, that starts at the £50 mark and rises into the hundreds - that stuff is always being made freely available. It seems to me some people are trying to make a point. Whether you agree with their point is another matter.
Lossless ripping is legal in some countries (France, for instance) but slightly illegal in others.
Sharing (lossless or not) is forbidden.
But in some countries it is allowed between family members.
The Grand Wazoo
29-08-2011, 23:30
OK boys & girls, we've conducted a wee discussion behind the curtains about this subject and I think we've come to the conclusion that this is not really an avenue that AoS can be seen to be pursuing.
While we all, as individuals, take the road that we feel most comfortable with in regard to this particular set of rather fuzzy legal circumstances, things are rather different for an entity such as AoS. I don't think AoS can be seen to be supporting this type of activity - it's one thing for two consenting adults to agree in person to say "I'll record that album of mine that you liked", it's another thing for a website to effectively be a hub for such activity.
Hopefully you'll understand that although we all wholeheartedly support every opportunity to spread the word about great music, our hands are rather tied on this one, so it would probably be best if the type of activity that's been discussed on this thread didn't take place.
However, if there's some album you've been on the lookout for a while, and you think that fellow members of the forum might know where you could find a copy, you could always ask on the 'Looking For A Copy Of....' (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3824) thread.
Cheers guys
Well said Chris. I was getting a feeling that this could all end in tears.
Yep, it’s a shame, but I can understand AoS having this view.
To be honest, it just isn't worth the risk - I think everyone would agree even the slightest chance we could lose the forum is not worth taking a chance on.
It's true, sadly.
I propose, still, to keep a "best of" list by style ? :o
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