Windows 8 means new computer for most of us.

[goraman]

If it doesn't have a touch screen it's over.
It would also seem small SS drives running your OPS will be plenty as cloud computing is becoming the expectation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

[WAD62]

If it doesn't have a touch screen it's over.
It would also seem small SS drives running your OPS will be plenty as cloud computing is becoming the expectation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

It's Android for the future IMHO, MS are playing catch up ;)

[Tim]

That's not my understanding Jeff, 8 is designed to 'work' on a touch-screen so it can keep up with Apple and other touch technologies - they are playing catchup, as 7 doesn't work well on touch-screens. However, Microsoft's biggest customers are the business and corporate worlds, so it will have to work just as well with a keyboard and mouse or it will be another dead in the water O/S. Additionally many businesses are only just going over to 7, with a massive section missing Vista completely. The fact that XP is going to be supported till 2014 illustrates just how large their business market is and to be honest, I reckon they will extend that date?

If 8 does both well, then it could be a winner, as if you can capture the home user and the business world with one O/S, then that's a huge slice of the O/S market.

That demo is aimed at the home market IMO.

[goraman]

That's not my understanding Jeff, 8 is designed to 'work' on a touch-screen so it can keep up with Apple and other touch technologies - they are playing catchup, as 7 doesn't work well on touch-screens. However, Microsoft's biggest customers are the business and corporate worlds, so it will have to work just as well with a keyboard and mouse or it will be another dead in the water O/S. Additionally many businesses are only just going over to 7, with a massive section missing Vista completely. The fact that XP is going to be supported till 2014 illustrates just how large their business market is and to be honest, I reckon they will extend that date?

If 8 does both well, then it could be a winner, as if you can capture the home user and the business world with one O/S, then that's a huge slice of the O/S market.

That demo is aimed at the home market IMO.

They did say it worked equally well with a mouse and key pad but it seems to me when everything is going touch screen our old scroll and clicks will look much like Austen powers trying to play a CD on a record player.
That didn't go well.
I'm going to stay with Win 7 anyway as I'm not going to get stuck with another OPS like Vista all buggy,and I just got really good with using 7.

[Dominic Harper]

windows 8? Bloody hell, I only just got 7!

[Tim]

windows 8? Bloody hell, I only just got 7!
Early adopter then ;)

[Tim]

Windows 7 is a pretty good O/S Jeff, so if you like it I wouldn't worry, as it's going to be around for a good few years yet. Shame it was 3 years too late really :scratch:

[worthingpagan]

we're still using vista :eek:

[goraman]

we're still using vista :eek:
Sucks to be you!
Vista is is a big, slow clunky garbage truck. IT STINKS.

[Tim]

I missed Vista totally both at home and at work, funny when we bought a bunch of workstations from HP and had to pay extra to 'downgrade' to XP... :scratch: Not a user friendly O/S at all, unless you had a very powerful machine and ran 64bit, then it was fine.

[goraman]

I missed Vista totally both at home and at work, funny when we bought a bunch of workstations from HP and had to pay extra to 'downgrade' to XP... :scratch: Not a user friendly O/S at all, unless you had a very powerful machine and ran 64bit, then it was fine.

The 32 bit was bound to freeze,You needed at least 6 gigs of 800mhz. DDR2 to get 64 bit to run smooth and forget a smooth interface with 32 bit programs.

Windows 7 will be hard to replace any time soon.
I would be shocked if the new Win 8 comes off with out loads of conflicts,security issues and driver problems.

[Alex_UK]

Windows 7! OMG, when did that come out! Still got 4,000 odd users on XP - they don't seem to mind! :lol:

[Haselsh1]

I'm still using XP on both machines and love it. It does everything I want in the way I want it done. I'm really pleased MS have extended support for it.

[Thing Fish]

Whatever you buy will be out of date in under a year. That's reality folks.

[goraman]

Whatever you buy will be out of date in under a year. That's reality folks.

I think that goes more for computers than operating systems.
And even that is slowing some in computers,my old laptop is going on 4 years old and is still fast with Win 7 still the most up to date OPS.

[Tim]

I'm still using XP on both machines and love it. It does everything I want in the way I want it done. I'm really pleased MS have extended support for it.
Stick with it, if it does what you want - I reckon it will be good for a few years yet. But 7 is a very good O/S as well IMO :)

[Bazil]

I'm still using XP on both machines and love it. It does everything I want in the way I want it done. I'm really pleased MS have extended support for it.

Same here, its the only time I've ever been content with some tech. and not wanted to upgrade.

[Marco]

windows 8? Bloody hell, I only just got 7!

Me too, although I've got the Pro version. Just bought a brand new Sony Vaio lappy - both will do for me! :)

Marco.

[Tim]

Guys lets keep this in perspective, Windows 8 has yet to be released and Microsoft have only hinted it *may* be released in Autumn 2012, but based on past MS release dates, that is more likely to be 2013 IMO. So most people probably won't be considering it until 2014, which coincidently is when they cease support for XP.

And I really don't agree that "Windows 8 means a new computer for most of us" is entirely correct. It maybe if you want to embrace touch-screen technology, but the keyboard and mouse is here for a few years yet. Mind you, if in 2014 you are still running a computer you bought with XP installed, then it might be time to treat yourself to a new one ;)

[MartinT]

The corporate world is properly slow to upgrade, and rightly so. We went fully Windows 7 last year and we're way ahead of most companies. As for changing hardware, we upgraded pretty much all desktops and most laptops with just RAM and the odd exchange of hard disks because W7 runs more efficiently on the same hardware compared with XP, provided it has enough RAM. I also dispute the need for more than 4GB with W7-64, it doesn't need it for most applications in a corporate environment. Remember that most machines will be maximally stressed with Office and the database of your choice, in our case SIMS.

I bypassed rolling out Vista after extended testing as it was truly cack. Unstable and a resource glutton. I have no regrets about that.

The same goes for servers: you don't upgrade until you need to. I just took out two very reliable file servers running Server 2003 and replaced them with a stonking 20TB machine running Server 2008 R2. I still have two 2003 machines in operation for good reason. The corporate world runs at its own pace, regardless of what MS wants.

When W8 comes out I am certain that touch will not be relevant to most companies. Who has secretaries and admin staff who need touch screens? There will be other aspects of W8 that may be compelling, but I'll be willing to bet you that migration will be slow exactly because MS have done a good job with W7.

[slate]

Having worked with computers for 20 years I can remember that the Vista commotion was the exact same as back when Windows 2000 and XP came out. XP was also considered a pile of **** until SP1 came out and things started to settle.

And within a year after a release, you will find the ususal a story in the media: "new windows is a failure because companies does not shift over...." yeah right....

My former work was in a international company with 70.000 employees. Vista rollout started summer 2008.

Our old platform was Windows 2000 but the age was showing ie bad/basic driver support when buying new PCs. FYI as part of leasing agreement the hardware was replaced every 3 years, so relatively new hardware around.
Originally the goal was XP, but Vista was on the horizon and it became the target.

And then the real work started... it might be that the basic image for rollout contains only Office, Acrobat, ... and that is enough for many sales people and office workers.. anyway 1200 different applications were identified as in use around the company. All have been verified against Vista.... does it work? are there a new version? can we find a replacement?

All in an attempt to minimize the damage before rollout.

And how did it go? I were one of the early adopters and the only problem that I had back then was with my USB keyboard contra the docking station... so found my old keytronic KT2000 on the shelf.
On the other hand my then 1½ year old laptop that had been limping along on W2000 got a new life in some areas; lacking good drivers the battery time had been 1½ hours, it went up to 3 hours and it got a bit cooler to.

For my colleagues at my location that was the experience as well; it worked.

That the boot/logon time before/after was 4-5 minutes was not Vistas fault, more down to a combination of:
- a non-optimiced installation
- mandatory harddrive encryption
- stuck with the Symantec drag
- IT departments own update program
- mounting of version handling and various drives
- servers placed 1000 km away (in my case)
- etc

[MartinT]

- mandatory harddrive encryption
- stuck with the Symantec drag

Nasty on both fronts. Luckily we don't use encryption as, frankly, the data is not that sensitive except for the pupil database that stays on the server.

As for Symantec - just say no! AVG Business Edition here.