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Erik van Voorst
18-05-2011, 18:36
GRRRR just typed everything with pics...computer blocked...I am helpless with those...:doh:

Anyway here is a link to all my stuff to start with I guess....

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?topic=209.0

DSJR
18-05-2011, 18:39
Welcome Erik,

Can't get the pics I'm afraid. Try uploading them to photobucket or similsr and then transfer them over to here.

I wait with bated breath :)

Erik van Voorst
18-05-2011, 18:55
Hi Dave...


Strange if I press the link.(killerdac)... I get everything...the whole story including the pics...which in their turn have a link to a million of my building photo's...

Please check, if the mistake is on my part as I will go ahead and find different ways

Erik

Reid Malenfant
18-05-2011, 19:00
Hi Erik, welcome to AoS :) Unfortunately going through multiple links like that probably won't work for 99.9% of members on here as we aren't members of the forums linked to ;)

What you need to do is follow the instructions here & load some to this site (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2) :)

It's dead easy honestly :eyebrows: All the best & i hope you enjoy your stay! I for one am interested as i do a good bit of DIY myself :)

Erik van Voorst
18-05-2011, 19:03
My pre

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=744;i mage

My amps

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=746;i mage

My speakers

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=756;i mage

My DAC

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=752;i mage

MY TRANSPORT

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=748;i mage

Since it is a load of stuff the first link will get you further info on ...the building of....:)...

Erik van Voorst
18-05-2011, 19:08
Ahhh ofcourse....thanks for that...my bad...:mental:


Anyway maybe a reason to join a very enthousiastic small Australian forum......:lol:

Erik van Voorst
18-05-2011, 19:29
I see red crosses...sorry:steam:

I uploaded via photobucket now...

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/xXx-inplace.jpg?t=1305746612

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/AMPS.jpg?t=1305746656

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/DAC-topshelf.jpg?t=1305746717

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/Pre.jpg?t=1305746782

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/transportShiga.jpg?t=1305746918

Alex_UK
18-05-2011, 20:01
Well, the wait was worth it! :stalks:

Rare Bird
18-05-2011, 20:06
sure was

Reid Malenfant
18-05-2011, 20:07
Wow, some nice looking kit! Don't tell me you designed & built the speakers to? :scratch: Kind of remind me of cross between Focal/JM Lab & Wilson Audio from what i can see of them :)

They don't look small either :eyebrows:

Welder
19-05-2011, 12:10
Deeply impressed mate and believe me, I don’t impress easily.
I’ve seen endless totally pointless pics of peoples systems on here which give absolutely no indication of how the system sounds and a great deal more about the priority of looks.
This lot on the other hand; well who cares how it sounds, the fact you’ve built it puts you head and shoulders above the “look what my money bought” crew.

It all looks gorgeous Erik and for the first time on this forum I am actually envious, your skill and imo taste is outstanding :)

WAD62
19-05-2011, 12:32
What John said...:eyebrows:

Now where's that thread about 'how happy are you with your main stereo', I need to knock a few points off mine after seeing that kit :(

Beechwoods
19-05-2011, 16:23
Wow... gorgeous!

:stalks: :stalks:

Spectral Morn
19-05-2011, 16:27
Oh my......:eek: :stalks: What an incredible looking system and components. Well done., very well done. I am lost for words. Other than to say welcome to AOS Erik


Regards D S D L

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 16:41
Wow, some nice looking kit! Don't tell me you designed & built the speakers to? :scratch: They don't look small either :eyebrows:

Yes I actully did, it is a scaled down version of the Avalon Sentinel.
Around 170 cm height. It took me 2 hours a day for 2 years to build it.
(I pretty much have built my own system over the years).

I use the Accuton Thiel units: Diamond Tweeter D-20, Ceramique C-79 in the top cabinet, Ceramique C-95 in the mid cabinet and Ceramique C-220 (2x) in the lower cabinet.

I am afraid the building link on the dutch forum is in dutch but my the day-to-day pictures (hundreds) are available to non forummers.:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?topic=8497.0

Reid Malenfant
19-05-2011, 16:48
:wow: :respect: :youtheman: It was well worth doing, any chance of getting a few more pics up of things?

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 16:56
:wow: :respect: :youtheman: It was well worth doing, any chance of getting a few more pics up of things?

I will give it a try tonight......maybe it is getting the wrong thread now...:)

Spectral Morn
19-05-2011, 17:28
:wow: :respect: :youtheman: It was well worth doing, any chance of getting a few more pics up of things?

+ 1 Mr Google translate was helpful too.

I am seriously impressed.


Regards D S D L

DSJR
19-05-2011, 17:32
Oh my......:eek: :stalks: What an incredible looking system and components. Well done., very well done. I am lost for words. Other than to say welcome to AOS Erik


Regards D S D L

A definite +1 from me as well. I'm still at the bodging stage and really ought to get round to building a kit at some point. Even a Naim/Avondale style ZAP 250 using used bits would be a start ;)

Erik, when you've settled in, please would you be kind enough to explain each item in a bit more depth, what circuit topology you used and why, the rationale behind it all etc.

John
19-05-2011, 17:35
Just to echo what everyone else has said WOW!

Jonboy
19-05-2011, 17:38
:wow: :respect: :youtheman: It was well worth doing, any chance of getting a few more pics up of things?


What he said, i'm never going to post a picture of my equipment again, i very feel inadequate :o


Simply Stunning

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 17:59
I will try to get a pic up here linking to the dutch forum....once that succeeds it will make life easier...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1718 1;image

These are the xXx-heads (if you can see them :))
Most of the work is inside...
I used different sizes of layers and saw particular shapes....
The diamond tweeter got his own chamber.

Veneer in Birds-Eye Maple (mind you not bookmatched but ONE piece meaning a lot of veneer is used and selected to acquire this!!!!)

Leather Baffle with a Felt diffraction shield/frame into the surroundings (yes into instead of on-to, lot of extra work:))

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:05
Around 10 layers of Rustin Oil handrubbed and polished after each layer to get the woodpattern "alive".

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1750 1;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:15
This gives an idea about the different woods (chaotic resonance instead of dominant resonance)

Here a pic of the xXx-mids.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=857; image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:27
Inside a xXx-mid

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=3924 ;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:29
xXx-Head and xXx-Mid finished

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1762 0;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:34
xXx-Bass cabinet walls filled with a mixture of sand and leadshot.
Making the total weight per speaker round 250 kg....:rolleyes:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1815 5;image

Reid Malenfant
19-05-2011, 18:36
Inside a xXx-mid

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=3924 ;image
Holy crap :stalks: :stalks: :stalks: You really did take the mickey when building them :eek:

http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad240/speakermark/Emotes/youtheman.gif http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad240/speakermark/Emotes/score.gif

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:38
xXx-Filter....(for Head and Mid)...

Encasing multiple wood and lead shielded all around finished in solid ebony and "Abalone" (Mother of Pearl inlay)
Filter parts selected designed and built by "Kharma".


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=4740 ;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:47
xXx-Bass Cabinet Finished

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1814 7;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:48
xXx-Filter in Place

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1820 4;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:52
First xXx in place...no need to say that it outperformed my original Avalon Eclipse like there is no-tomorrow. So those moved up to my hometheater.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1831 6;image

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 18:54
Standing proud and in full glory......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1848 2;image

Reid Malenfant
19-05-2011, 18:59
Erik, you deserve a medal m8 ;) Talk about dedication to the cause, there just aren't smileys on here that show how totally amazed i am at your work :eek:

Utterly astonishing!

:king:

Welder
19-05-2011, 19:01
Erm, I have to ask Erik, how much did the speakers cost in materials?……..I don’t want to consider the labour/time :doh:

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 19:03
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=7460 0;image


Latest mods...bybees all over the place (incl Bybee Gold) and Homebrew speaker wire Mundorf Silver/Gold "with a twist"........
Ditched the grille of each unit (including the diamond-grille).



...and still live happily ever after...:)

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 19:05
Erm, I have to ask Erik, how much did the speakers cost in materials?……..I don’t want to consider the labour/time :doh:

I hate this but 20.000 euro's...please do not remind me again....:eyebrows:

Welder
19-05-2011, 19:18
Cough :eek: :stalks:

And may I ask what proportion of that was taken up by the crossover?

From the look of the units, you’ve gone to a lot of trouble to get them looking something special, such as the mother of pearl and finish, but I imagine the same basic design could be build at a lower cost if some finish and detail were sacrificed (?)

Erik van Voorst
19-05-2011, 19:23
Crossover 5000 euro's....believe it or not that was a steal....ahum....honestly

The mother of pearl was done in Malasia so that was only 250 dollar (a 1000 euro's in Holland so NO WAY)
Ebony is an outrage when you have to pay....but despite that I used it everywhere....mind you Neil Patel painted every part black on the 175.000 euro's Sentinel...

Welder
19-05-2011, 19:29
I’ve got that many questions it would probably be quicker for me to learn read Dutch and work my way through the site you link to ;)

Some information on the crossover would be cool if you have it to hand.

aquapiranha
19-05-2011, 19:38
Speechless. If manufacturers were so thorough people wouldn't mind paying the prices they charge.

Barry
19-05-2011, 19:43
My God!

Erik, I'm lost for words - I think I'll just resign now. :eek: I don't think I've ever seen home built speakers that look as good as yours, and I'm sure they sound phenomenal as well. If there is an AoS award for DIY audio equipment you would win!

I need to take a lie down - phew!

Oh - welcome to AoS. :)

By the way, what sort of music do you like to listen to on that wonderful system of yours?

Regards

Spectral Morn
19-05-2011, 19:53
My God!

Erik, I'm lost for words - I think I'll just resign now. :eek: I don't think I've ever seen home built speakers that look as good as yours, and I'm sure they sound phenomenal as well. If there is an AoS award for DIY audio equipment you would win!

I need to take a lie down - phew!

Oh - welcome to AoS. :)

By the way, what sort of music do you like to listen to on that wonderful system of yours?

Regards

Indeed I am so in awe of Erik's talents that I forgot to ask that question.

Just to echo the others here the love and attention to detail you have put into those speakers (what is the other gear like inside etc, based on the speakers no doubt fantastic) is amazing. I am envious of your talents and having a workshop to exercise them in.

I am sure the system sounds incredible.


Regards D S D L

WOStantonCS100
19-05-2011, 21:01
DIY vindicated and validated, definitely and exquisitely!:clap:

Techno Commander
19-05-2011, 21:49
My God!

I don't think I've ever seen home built speakers that look as good as yours,

Yep. Got to agree to that. Unbelievable dedication to the cause as well as attention to detail. I feel quite inadequate now.:eek:

Alex_UK
19-05-2011, 22:00
I can only echo what everyone else has said, simply amazing. Given that it has taken approximately 1,500 hours of time, and I would expect a decent craftsman would charge at least £50 per hour, then we are looking at a pair of speakers around the 100,000 Euros mark I guess - they certainly look worth that given the attention to detail. Respect. :)

howlindawg
20-05-2011, 14:27
Well now that's a proper introduction if ever I saw one.
Great work Erik and a warm welcome to the forum.

And here was me chuffed to bits with my gainclone. :o

John
20-05-2011, 15:22
I am totally amazed by the craftmanship and level of detail you gone to For me this is beyond DIY its craftmanship, passion and dedication
Total respect for what you achieved

Ali Tait
20-05-2011, 16:33
+1. Absolutely fantastic! Love to hear it sometime.

Glen B
20-05-2011, 16:35
Erik, truly amazing kit. I've been a DIYer for more than 40 years and could never hope to accomplish anything close to what you have achieved. I am just not that dedicated and patient. Again, oustanding work. I am in awe of your talents.

Erik van Voorst
20-05-2011, 20:19
Thanks Guys..

In due time I will post my "other stuff" a bit more in detail...:)

To answer the music-question I have a lot (3000 original cd's) From the very start of cd invention I have been busy trying to get it to analogue level ....only the last few years I have that feeling that I have come a long way and succeeded...

Mind you it takes an over the top dac and over the top transport...years of building....
Lesson I have learned is that the cd contains an incredible amount of music eversince 1984 (or around) but the problem is not that it is limited (in a way yes) but most of the CD-PLAYERS are limited...so the real trouble is getting the music out of that silver source....:scratch::bulb:.

For us DIY-ers it can be done...:trust:

.the award for me is now 3000 wonderful pop, jazz and classical cd's....;)

Tweedle-Dee
20-05-2011, 21:00
Hi Eric,
Welcome to AoS. I've admired your set up over on the Killer Dac site for some time.

Best wishes,
TD

synsei
21-05-2011, 21:19
Hello Erik. I offer you a very warm welcome to AoS. I'd just like to state for the record that you are a very fine craftsman sir. Those speakers are absolutely gorgeous and I can only imagine how good they must sound. In fact, your entire system is a work of art and is a testament to your fine skills, dedication and love for the hobby. I am utterly speechless... :stalks::stalks::stalks:

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 16:36
This time I will post the building of my Pre....a selected few pics that is.
It is inspired on my Audio Research SP3.

12 mm thick copper encasing.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=444 26;image

Picked 2 nice wooden side panels out of cocobolo wood

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=444 73;image

Made some ebony feet MPingo-Style

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=446 85;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 16:42
That is not a volume-knob....this is a volume knob :)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=447 95;image

The Left chanel with tubes

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=451 29;image

The Left chanel's floating platform (incredibly heavy) with Tefon 1 piece Yamamoto tube-feet and ebony platform.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=451 30;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 16:51
Sorry these are the Yamamoto's (I've changed them but forgot)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=457 48;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=457 88;image

Floating
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=458 49;image

Attenuator ready for battle.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=463 06;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:01
Testdrive...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=463 59;image

Rearside of the Pre Amp finished (yes you guessed it ...ebony)
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=491 30;image

Encasing finished with both floating platforms (do not ask its weight:rolleyes:)
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=491 86;image

Frontside cocobolo wood
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=491 90;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:06
Sides....(still to be polished)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=492 96;image

My old school "Grennan" Teflon/OFC bridges....
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=495 32;image

All the hardware finished...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=495 83;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:13
Silver wiring....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=506 13;image

Mounting the platforms with V-Cap, Mundorf Silver/Gold and a mix of Mills, Kiwame's and Vishay

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=514 74;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=514 75;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:19
Both Platforms Ready

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=516 88;image

Polished

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=518 14;image

In Full Glory with 6072 NOS (1958 !! My date of birth) Tubes and 2 mute switches (one per chanel)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 09;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:24
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 10;image

Me and my audio-friend (co-builder) putting an incredibly kg Pre Amp (ahum...without PSU Box ) in place.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 11;image


With those kind of weights I did build an ebony rack for it...all for himself..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 12;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:29
Building the Power Supply Box

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=520 38;image


First High Voltage Trafo (SP3) in...I agree the bended copper is over the top....
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=523 04;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=523 06;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:33
I believe in capacity...:mental:.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=523 93;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=525 59;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=526 32;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:39
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=531 02;image

Side by side for the first time.....
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=533 55;image

Wiring.....
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=533 82;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=534 11;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:40
Finished............


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=534 13;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 17:59
My Homegrown cables and plugs connect the Pre amp thru the wall with the PSU in the next room...
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=725 50;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=724 24;image

...and playing......(with a Wadia...to be superceded by ...a homebuilt transport)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=534 42;image

Power supply in place in the next room...right the low voltage switch (orange light)..left the high voltage switch (white light)....an hommage to Audio Research..."The Audio Research E.S.P.6" )

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=536 72;image

Erik van Voorst
26-05-2011, 18:03
Maybe some moderator will find it more than appropriate to place this topic in the gallery....please feel free.....I have not got a clue to do this...:scratch:.

Alex_UK
26-05-2011, 21:58
I don't think there are words in either the English or Dutch language that can comment appropriately - is WOW a Dutch word? Or how about "unfuc*ingbelievable!"

synsei
26-05-2011, 23:55
You took the words right out of my mouth Alex! I am humbled and full of admiration. :stalks:

Marco
27-05-2011, 08:18
Hi Erik,


I believe in capacity...:mental:.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=523 93;image


Awesome stuff, as usual! What make are the (bigger) blue capacitors, shown, and what max voltage are they rated at (or available in)? I'm presuming that they are power supply caps? :)

Marco.

Erik van Voorst
27-05-2011, 08:32
The smaller ones Phillips HQ, the bigger ones Mallory and the 2 coca-cola cans SicSafco.

I honestly do not know the exact voltages and cap.... I will TRY to search for my notes :)

I assume you will find a hardtime buying them...I had them as NOS...

Marco
27-05-2011, 08:43
Thanks for that, Erik :)

Ah, I see, they're NOS..........

As I believe that electrolytic capacitors deteriorate with age (when used or not), how successful have you found using NOS ones to be, compared with high-quality new production equivalents?

Or perhaps you've not done the comparison?

The reason I ask, is that I'm soon to re-cap my valve power amp, and was looking for what options were available. I had thought of BHC Aerovox, but would be open to suggestions as to anything else that was excellent.

The capacitors (I would like electrolytic types) need to be rated at 550V minimum.

Marco.

P.S I think that the most suitable place for this thread is in the D.I.Y room, which is where it will now be moved.

HighFidelityGuy
27-05-2011, 09:39
How did I miss this thread? :eek:
What can I say that's not already been said? :scratch: Err, I'm speechless. EPIC! :wowzer:

RochaCullen
27-05-2011, 11:20
My Homegrown cables and plugs connect

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=724 24;image



Love the look of these cables.

Given the level of DIY we are dealing with here, and I presume you made all parts of these cables, I would love to hear your ideas on topics like burn in, is it of relevance, and how much affect it has on your equipement? Do you spend much time on power conditioning and the like?

What is your prime goal when developing your kit? You obviously love the process the asthetics and the materials.

You must be in a profession that calls for all this development know-how, can you let us mere mortals know know you do?

Erik van Voorst
27-05-2011, 14:56
I am afraid I have an office deskjob like most people do....I am an accountmanager.

I work 4 days a week.

My hobby is wood- and metalwork every friday I am at it,..and my passion is music (4 hours a day in the evening) hence the audio-equipment is made by myself over the years....the commercial stuff despite their pricetag was not doing it for me...(and yes I have the lot...Krell, Audio Research, Wadia, Avalon etc)

I read a lot and try out a lot and slowly but shurely you know which direction you want to take it.

I made everything myself..this particular cable has a silver wire with ricepaper and silk a mesh screen and ricepaper and silk again finished with a sheath. The plug is a modified Silver Eichman with a Cocobolo encasing and brass strain relief...the ebony is a kind of cable-resonator instead of damping.

Spur07
27-05-2011, 16:51
Erik, I know I'm in my early 40's but would consider adopting me?

I'll promise to do the washing up. :)

WOStantonCS100
27-05-2011, 17:33
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 10;image

Me and my audio-friend (co-builder) putting an incredibly kg Pre Amp (ahum...without PSU Box ) in place.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 11;image


With those kind of weights I did build an ebony rack for it...all for himself..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=519 12;image

:stalks: This is just bl**dy fantastic!! Totally over-the-top. Luv it! Soooo, inspiring. I think I'll spend the rest of the day soldering whilst the music plays on. :):):)

Marco
27-05-2011, 18:28
Hi Erik,

I'd appreciate your view on this, which you seemed to have missed earlier:


As I believe that electrolytic capacitors deteriorate with age (when used or not), how successful have you found using NOS ones to be, compared with high-quality new production equivalents?

Or perhaps you've not done the comparison?


Cheers! :cool:

Marco.

anthonyTD
27-05-2011, 19:11
hi Erik,
only just seen this thread, a belated welcome to AOS, Great looking kit, many man hours gone into making that lot!:)
Anthony,TD...

alfie2902
27-05-2011, 19:21
WOW - your kit looks superb! Very well done!

Erik van Voorst
28-05-2011, 06:54
Elco's do deteriorate but "un-used" it takes a hell of a lot longer.

For instance I would change elco's after 10-15 years when they have been permanently on the grid (speaking from my own experience).

The exchange (say if you pick the same elco's) will result in a crispier "more alive" sound.

Mind you deterioration of an elco is a bit comparable with tubes.....you can change the item "any-time" it is a bit up to you and how "un-easy" you are with your sound.

I do not particularly "hunt" for NOS elco's since I believe that the newer ones are giving great sound as well. My personal favorites besides the unobtainable Blackgates are: Oscon, JJ, Elna and Jensen Silver Foil.

Maybe in your case the Jensen could be a lovely alternative.

The bigger Mallory was something like 20.000 uF/85V.

Marco
28-05-2011, 07:42
Hi Erik,

Thanks for that.


Elco's do deteriorate but "un-used" it takes a hell of a lot longer.

For instance I would change elco's after 10-15 years when they have been permanently on the grid (speaking from my own experience).


Yep, but how do you know exactly how old they are when you buy them? ;)

Perhaps there is a production date code one can refer to? If they're 15 years old, or more, before you use them (as some NOS components are), then they may well already be past their 'sell by date', as it were...

I'm very interested in this matter, because I'm a fan of using some NOS components, such as tubes (as generally I prefer their sonic presentation over modern varieties), but if they've not been used then, unlike electrolytic capacitors, there is little deterioration.

However, I'd be uncomfortable using NOS capacitors if I couldn't guarantee that they were performing to their original specification, because when a power supply cap (for example) goes pop, it can cause quite a bit of damage to the equipment.

I just wondered if it was something you'd considered? :)


Mind you deterioration of an elco is a bit comparable with tubes.....you can change the item "any-time" it is a bit up to you and how "un-easy" you are with your sound.


I agree. I have the tubes I use measured periodically on a tester, but don't obsess with swapping them every 'five minutes' for fear that they're wearing out. Tube deterioration, in my experience, sonically, is very subtle and happens over a long period of time, particularly with NOS examples, as the materials used are usually much better than current production varieties.

When I buy NOS tubes, I'll only do so when the seller has provided accurate test measurements (and the measurements are good), but of course it's still a risk.


I do not particularly "hunt" for NOS elco's since I believe that the newer ones are giving great sound as well. My personal favorites besides the unobtainable Blackgates are: Oscon, JJ, Elna and Jensen (oil).

Maybe in your case the Jensen would be a lovely alternative.


Thanks for that, Erik. Do the Jensens go up to 550V? I'd be using these as power supply caps in a big Class A valve power amp :cool:

Marco.

Erik van Voorst
28-05-2011, 08:17
The NOS....they where my own...hahahahaha:lolsign:

Jensen 500V (IIRC)

Marco
28-05-2011, 08:23
Lol - is there no end to your talents? :eyebrows:

;)

Marco.

Erik van Voorst
30-05-2011, 14:52
I have dropped the Rubidium Adventure (for now) since no one on the fora answered questions...or gave advice...

Instead I am thrilled to bits at the moment with a new development for my Matriarch DAC-6.
I ordered this afternoon the 2 Silver Trafo's TRANS 404 from Audio Note.
This way I slowly but surely create my own Dac Signature :yay:

flapland
30-05-2011, 17:28
This so needs to be seen at the Wigwam show 2012. Lets start a fund to pay for the truck and ferry to get it there.

it would need a ground floor room though !!

And a room full of folk to carry it.

:rave:

synsei
30-05-2011, 17:46
Dunno about the Wammer show, I wanna see and hear it at Scalford :lol:

Tim
30-05-2011, 18:03
Perhaps if Erik gives us his address we could pop over and pick it all up for him :eyebrows: maybe when he's away, so as not to disturb him like.....

(just leave the door on the latch!!!)

http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Jobs_and_People/Criminals/Burglar.gif

Reid Malenfant
30-05-2011, 18:06
Dunno about the Wammer show, I wanna see and hear it at Scalford :lol:
Hifi Wigwam show 2011 (http://www.thehifishow.com/) :eyebrows:

synsei
30-05-2011, 18:42
Ah... I didn't realize it was a Wammer event :lolsign::lolsign::lolsign:

Reid Malenfant
30-05-2011, 18:47
Aye, everyone here just calls it the Scalford show ;) We just kind of bandy on along to :lol:

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:27
Okay the RE-building of an Audio Note DAC -3 into a DAC-6 Matriarch...

Two box operation.

Non-Oversampling-Tube rectifier-Shunts Plenty-Silver-Gold...the whole show:)

Here a heavy plateau..Lead-Birch-...and some serious Copper

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=674 03;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=674 07;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=676 24;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:31
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=676 25;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=677 25;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=677 59;image


Seperate Power Supply Box ready...
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=677 60;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:41
Made my Power Supply Connection Board

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=683 46;image

One of the Power Supply Compartments finished

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=686 59;image

A Picture of my heavily modified dac, little to do with a DAC 3 Audio Note in the end......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=686 63;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:47
New Digital Board (components that is) in Progress

Blackgates, Schottky, Kiwame, Mundorf Silver/Gold wire, Shunts etc.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=687 19;image

...and Oscons

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=687 20;image

Cotton ....
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=688 15;image

Spectral Morn
08-06-2011, 18:51
Awesome but how does it sound? I look at the photos and levels of construction and wonder every time I look, how does it sound?

This has to be the best ever DIY audio gear I have ever seen, it looks incredible and the passion and skill that has gone into it is breathtaking but my question stands how does it sound?

I guess it won't ever be answered :( anyway regardless keep up the good/interesting work.


Regards D S D L

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:52
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=689 46;image

Filling the first PSU Compartment...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=690 94;image

...and the second..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=690 95;image

Clock PSU line

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=691 21;image

Tim
08-06-2011, 18:56
Wonderful as ever Erik, thanks so much for taking the time to share your work, it's a pleasure to see real craftsmanship :)

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 18:58
Alway fun to fire-up the glassworks....:eek:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=691 23;image

Testing the PSU and guess what....yes it worked and already a stunning improvement compared to the "old" situation

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=691 67;image

A heavy 3 mm copper lid with my jig-sawed Matriarch Elephant to decorate my DAC-6 Poer Supply

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=693 41;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:04
One box finished

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=693 45;image

Second Platform...same materials Ebony Lead Birch Copper

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=694 27;image

The Box ...with Cocobolo-wood (same as the Pre Amp)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=694 95;image

My umbilicals to the PSU

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=695 97;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:11
For the first time side by side....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=696 35;image

My Audio-Buddy Anton doing most of the electronic wizzard stuff....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=696 95;image

Starting the interior...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=696 98;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=698 06;image

Puffin
08-06-2011, 19:12
How many seconds do you find to listen to all this loveliness ;):eyebrows:

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:17
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=698 66;image

Multi Layered

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=698 71;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=698 72;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:21
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=700 79;image

Digital Board Ready.......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=700 80;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=702 48;image

Nearly there....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=702 49;image

Reid Malenfant
08-06-2011, 19:22
Jeez, some of those regulators are miles out of spec :scratch:

As a cheap but better alternative i'd have used the adjustable LM317 & LM337 ;)

Beautiful work by the way :stalks:

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:33
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=704 02;image


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=704 34;image

And The Proof is in the Pudding...first a test set-up

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=706 59;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:35
Me and my Buddy in front of the speakers with a devious smile...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=706 63;image

Tim
08-06-2011, 19:37
Me and my Buddy in front of the speakers with a devious smile...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=706 63;image
Lol......... now we're talking ;)

:cool:

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:41
The Matriarch DAC-6 in full glory

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=721 99;image


The first tweak after a year or so....Silver Eichmann with my Homemade Cocobolo shells

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=723 73;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:45
....and after 2 years a more drastic tweak....
At my own private shoot-out between the Duelunds and the Audio Note Silver Foils ....the Duelunds won the "battle"...no make that synergy...:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=838 14;image

The big heavy B@stards implemented..in a stack-way...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=844 18;image

Erik van Voorst
08-06-2011, 19:50
How many seconds do you find to listen to all this loveliness ;):eyebrows:

4 hours a day I have no TV :)

howlindawg
09-06-2011, 08:11
Erik,

Can I ask how long it took you to complete the construction and modification of the DAC and power supply?

You posts make it seem very matter of fact but the quality of the woodworking an metalwork would indicate that there's some serious time gone into this.

synsei
09-06-2011, 08:48
I echo Martin's question: +1

Erik van Voorst
09-06-2011, 08:48
Erik,

Can I ask how long it took you to complete the construction and modification of the DAC and power supply?

You posts make it seem very matter of fact but the quality of the woodworking an metalwork would indicate that there's some serious time gone into this.

It was done "over the years" but the encasing and "final" mods took a few months...(fridays and week-ends)

Indeed I spent a helluv time in reading and building my own "dream".........

synsei
09-06-2011, 08:49
You just beat me to the draw there Erik... :lolsign:

jantheman
09-06-2011, 10:03
Under normal circumstances most people would say 'don't give up the day job'. Looking at this porn, I would say different......

camtwister
09-06-2011, 12:40
This truly is laudable work. A credit to you.

Erik, have you considered building a turntable? I'd be eager to see the results.

Regards.

Erik van Voorst
09-06-2011, 16:53
This truly is laudable work. A credit to you.

Erik, have you considered building a turntable? I'd be eager to see the results.

Regards.

Nope I go digital,.... modding the cdplayer all the way up eversince 1985 or so......only just now it starts to equal analog (for me)....:sofa:

Soon I will post building pics of my toploading transport, inspired on turntable-design and as tweakable as a turntable with pretty simular effects....:trust:.

While building this you will be cured on the spot if you are still believing zeros and ones there is nothing more to it.....:mental:



BTW
For those who want to read (in english) the (technical story) about the 50 dollar transport with my pics check the Shigaclone site of Peter Daniel and watch my project...uhh... getting out of hand.

LINK

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/120229-finally-affordable-cd-transport-shigaclone-story-118.html

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 10:30
Taking a boombox apart....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=570 83;image

Mounting it with the digital function only......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=570 85;image

Seperating the motorboard from the laserboard and changing caps and getting dedicated power supplies....(and a lot of help from my audio-buddy Anton)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=574 34;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 10:38
My wife very patient with us building "in the room"....:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=574 42;image

Time to give it a proper clock instead of the standard ceramique resonator. I gave it a Trichord 4 with a homebuilt dedicated powersupply and AWSR super reg.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=576 31;image

My friend Anton figuring out from a anything but flawless lay-out (bad manual !!!!) where to supply all the dedicated chip voltages....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=578 36;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 10:44
....and working....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=578 37;image

Building a laser sledge tensioner (made that word up myself :lol:)....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=578 46;image


Me and my audio buddies in a shoot-out The PiTbull (= my boombox contraption) against my Wadia 22.........the Wadia lost...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=578 82;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 10:51
Figuring out a nice looking and sound improving encasing using my favorite materials...copper, ebony and cocobolo wood...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=579 13;image.

Lets start....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=579 14;image


A steady encasing for the transport mechanism...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=579 31;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 10:58
I made my own laser board and guidance rod with non magnetic materials...okay it took me 10 hours filing but substantial improvement soundwise :eek:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=580 05;image

And mounting it....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=580 07;image

Building a layer underneath the transport support to get room for all the additional electronics...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=581 62;image

Macca
17-06-2011, 10:59
:popcorn:

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:05
Getting the laserboard and spindle with motor mass coupled and loose from the electronics....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=585 83;image

Ditching the standard heavy magnetic puck in change for a nice featherlight Delrin screw-on puck including a platform to damp the spindle...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=586 15;image

That is how I want it....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=586 16;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:10
Experimenting with blue light in order to get the laser a proper reading environment....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=586 88;image

Giving it a board with all the possible hook-ups....I use AT&T from the PiTbull towards the Genesis Digital Lens...again with dedicated PSU and super reg.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=589 43;image

It is quickly getting a 2 box operation now....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=589 44;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:18
The dramatic puck change resulted in a far better flow of music...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=590 31;image


Starting to build a dedicated pedestal for the transport...heavy ebony support to hold the many trafo suporting encasing and the transport with electronics..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=595 23;image

Building a turntahttp://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=597 38;imageble-like beech ring to damp all the copperware...:)

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:23
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=597 60;image

A rough idea

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=597 67;image

Cocobolo wood and all the lead encasing ...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=598 79;image

Support detail...a Goldmund Tip Toe into an ebony (Adjustable) encasing onto a 12 mm copper plate

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=600 36;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:30
On its own feet.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=601 38;image

A new display.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=604 63;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=605 71;image

Seperate chambers (all copper shielded) for the trannies....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=605 86;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:34
Spot the transport.....speaking of blending in...:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=606 47;image

display in place....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=606 73;image

Getting the ideas....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=607 10;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:38
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=607 11;image

Testing powercords for it and the Tunami won...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=609 41;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=609 68;image


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=609 62;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:44
An audio-angel gets his wings....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=610 06;image

Separate enclosures....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=610 60;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=611 72;image

Display is switchable..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=612 02;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:48
Adjustable blue laserlight...I could not help building it in the Cobra-Arm shape....:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=613 57;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=613 58;image

The loose parts...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=614 79;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:52
In action....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=614 83;image

In place

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=614 84;image

Building all my own cables in- and outwards (silver/ricepaper/cotton/silk)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=617 18;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 11:58
Time to find a better place for the components...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=620 49;image

Getting bigger and bigger and bigger....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=621 51;image

OPEN......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=625 85;image

CLOSED....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=625 86;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:02
In place and already only to be lifted with 2 men....I kid you not...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=625 87;image

Starting to become an integral part of the set...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=625 89;image

Hook-up box....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=626 74;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:06
Print stolen from my Wadia 22...;)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=627 32;image

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Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:10
Full........

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=630 16;image

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One of the last heavily modded prints to mount....(loads of sup E cap configs)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=637 57;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:13
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=637 58;image

All is in place now......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 01;image

Building an ebony ...uuuuhhh...dustcap/laser protection...:scratch:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 82;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:16
A nice well to sink the weight in from my laser sledge gear tensioner...ahum

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 83;image

Drums please...the final adjustments.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 84;image

ACTION..........

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 85;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:17
In Full Glory....


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=639 86;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:21
As a set.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=640 37;image

Just a few of the many cables...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=641 18;image

And My Avatar In Full Size.....:)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=648 95;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:28
Slight tweak...an ebony puck...yes if you can ditch plastic...:lol:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=658 38;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=658 39;image

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 12:30
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=684 86;image



Now does this not look like a proper turntable...it shure as hell sounds like one....:lol:


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76211.0;attach=699 10;image

camtwister
17-06-2011, 15:50
I've studied this photograph, become cognizant of the fact that you've made it with your mate in your living room in your spare time and now I've fallen on the floor and don't want to get up.

Macca
17-06-2011, 15:52
How much is used from the original Boom Box? Just the laser?

Reid Malenfant
17-06-2011, 16:01
Amazing work :stalks::stalks::stalks: This isn't a criticism but you'd have got much better results by using a decent transport from a donor CD player that the cheap transport from the portable stereo.

A decent pro metal Philips mech with glass lensed laser would be vastly superior imo ;)

Can't fault the build though, never seen anything like it before :wow:

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 16:08
I only did the electronics in the livingroom...I have a small private workshop....you can only process those materials with pro tools...sorry :)

I "only" use the Sanyo SPF Laser and the JVC chipset...it is the synergy of that PARTICULAR SET and is eg. found (hardly modified) in Lab47 stuff...

I bought about 10 the same boomboxes and went ahead (re)building and trying out...the standard small print is VERY trickey and poor quality..

All inspired in the beginning on the American DIY Shigaclone thread and Polish tread...I myself was a bit skeptical of that hype so I started to take it further and further and.........

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 16:16
Amazing work :stalks::stalks::stalks:

A decent pro metal Philips mech with glass lensed laser would be vastly superior imo ;)



I hate to say it but here you are very wrong....besides that fact that it is commercially also used in Lab47 very expensive PiTracer Flagship Transport...I found out myself how analog this Sanyo plastic stuff sounds with the JVC chip set...never ever heard that particular quality in the big boys transports to be bought only in the High-End stratosphere.......

Obviously all the other qualities of that Sanyo set where still vastly inferior compared with them .....but that "analog" sound got me hooked and it took us approx 1 year to build it to my liking......nearly completely built on our subjective "hearing"....hahahaha..

I (and often We) where able to listen to it during the build on a daily basis.....changing/adding/leaving out components...

I have built a mini PiTbull Transport version of this for my best audiofriend ..he sold his (very expensive !!!) Wadia Reference 16 for it....:)

No need to say that spares will never ever be a problem for me...hahahahaha

LINK: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/120229-finally-affordable-cd-transport-shigaclone-story.html

I STEP IN AROUND PAGE 120 OR SO....


BTW I still play after 5000 hours with the same laser and have nowadays 15 in stock...

Reid Malenfant
17-06-2011, 16:24
You do surprise me ;) I'm know Wadias are very good having heard a good few myself, i'd still not part with my Krell transport though, not even for a bakers dozen of them ;)

Don't worry, i have spare lasers for my Krell to :lol: There are literally hundreds of machines out there with the same laser fitted (even if it's not the same metal mechanism), any CDM4 laser can be transplated to this metal CDM mech :)

Erik van Voorst
17-06-2011, 17:01
I know I fell in love in the "early" days with the Krell Transport what a thing of beauty with its transparant platform...wow..

Anyway while building and searching you would be surprised how many expensive transports work around with the cheap Sanyo Laser and the cheap Mabuchi motor ( 1 dollar)...yesssss to be found in the TL Flagship from CEC (Lampinizator) and Wadia and and and......

There is a lot of "cheap" stuff (but performing well !!!) beneath the high end with high prices surface if you study Transport components....

Alex_UK
17-06-2011, 19:12
I think we have run out of superlatives to describe your work Erik, never mind your dedication and patience! :respect:

Reid Malenfant
17-06-2011, 19:21
I know I fell in love in the "early" days with the Krell Transport what a thing of beauty with its transparant platform...wow..

Something tells me i'm not using the same transport Erik ;) What i'm using is the DT10, a very rare beast indeed. You won't even find mention of it on Krells website under older gear.

From what i can gather it was the most expensive transport they ever built. Not that i give a hoot as i payed £547 delivered :) Same as in the pic in my signature.

Erik van Voorst
18-06-2011, 07:03
Doesn't matter Dan D'Agostino never designs ugly/bad sounding stuff.

I still play with a pair of Krell KSA50 upstairs in my Home Theatre on original Avalon Eclipses (the very first ones) the speed and power is stunning.

Reid Malenfant
18-06-2011, 17:54
I tend to agree ;)

Can i ask you a question please Erik? What type of saw did you use to cut the rather intricate rounded edges on the wood that was used to house the midrange drivers in your big speakers?

I have a feeling that no jigsaw will have a blade narrow enough to do such tight turns, however i have seen some kind of odd saw that is used to make jigsaw puzzles out of solid wood or plywood & will be happy with very tight corners :)

I just can't remember the name of it though :doh: Any help will be much appreciated ;)


E2A:- i think i have sussed it, looks to be a scroll saw :)

keiths
18-06-2011, 18:02
I was going to say abrafile, but I think they're more for metal?

Reid Malenfant
18-06-2011, 18:13
I was going to say abrafile, but I think they're more for metal?
That might be handy at some stage to (tensioned file) :lol: Cheers Keith!

The Grand Wazoo
18-06-2011, 23:13
Scroll saw?

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/large/06/060112150.jpg

It's possible to get incredibly tight and accurate curves with one of these kiddies - much more precise than a jigsaw. They use a reciprocating blade (up & down like a jigsaw) rather than the single direction loop feed of a band saw. The blade is a little more like a wire with teeth than a conventional blade.

Erik van Voorst
19-06-2011, 08:41
To make the facetted edges I used a oldfashioned handsaw and after that
I milled (as in shaving) and lots of sandpaper taped on a wooden block
As final I glue an mdf panel in place under the right degree.(polarisation behaviour)

After getting the facets ready I used my first layer of veneer....a kind of very thin and tough "bakelite" to get a flat underground for my Birdseye-maple veneer.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=6726 ;image

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BTW
By reading your question better I figured out that you mean the jigsawlike inner panels....
I did it exactly with the last pic of the electric scroll-saw.....around 15-30 minutes per panel...do the maths...!!
While sawing I stayed pretty much within to calculated lines I had drawn on each panel so I knew approx. the amount of liters (when devided by 2) of each mid-cabinet.

Reid Malenfant
19-06-2011, 14:55
Yes, that is what i was refering to Erik, the rounded edges of the interior of the midrange enlosures. Looks rather like a jigsaw puzzle ;)

Now i need a scroll saw :doh: To go with my circular bench saw, jig saw etc etc :eyebrows:

Erik van Voorst
19-06-2011, 17:03
I bought a very cheap German one for that particular job...75-100 dollar
it worked okay !!!
I gues it took me about a good 40 hours to do all the puzzle-like cutting with it.
Do buy a bundle of thin blades...the break very easy ;)

If you want to go that way pay attention that you use different panels in thickness and wood...in order not to create a dominant resonance.
The panels I glued together (with a variation of soft and hard compound to glue with) varied in 12-22 mm thickness and I used e.g. Beech, Multiplex, Merantie, "Spaanderplaat", "Softwood" and sheets of Lead in between.
Beware in the end the Mid can only be lifted safely by 2-men.:eyebrows:

Reid Malenfant
19-06-2011, 17:12
Beware in the end the Mid can only be lifted safely by 2-men.:eyebrows:
I'm quite used to that, my speakers are only just over a foot wide, about two foot tall & only 18 inches or so deep - yet they weigh in at over 168lbs (76Kg) each :eek:

Add in the stand & they total just over 102Kg..

Good point with the different thickness materials :) I have other ideas that should help things but i do like the puzzle pattern one so will go with that ;)

Erik van Voorst
25-06-2011, 14:26
I recently finished a scaled down version of my PiTbull Transport.
It is for a friend and he even sold a very expensive Wadia for it...reason....it brought more emotion in the music...now that is a reward :)

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/Mini-PiTbull-FINISHED.jpg?t=1305912784

Jac Hawk
25-06-2011, 21:17
:clapclapclap::clapclapclap: truly amazing Eric, each piece a work of art, mind you i do believe you're to blame for the recent increase in the price of copper, i bet your metal merchant loves you.

keiths
25-06-2011, 22:49
Another stunning build Erik. Fantastic as always.

Macca
25-06-2011, 22:55
Yo couldn't knock me one up could you Eric? On a charity basis:lol:

Seriously outstanding. This is Formula One hi-fi we are seeing.:cool:

howlindawg
26-06-2011, 09:24
I recently finished a scaled down version of my PiTbull Transport.
It is for a friend and he even sold a very expensive Wadia for it...reason....it brought more emotion in the music...now that is a reward :)

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/Mini-PiTbull-FINISHED.jpg?t=1305912784

I actually prefer this one aesthetically to its big brother.
I could quite happily have that displayed in my sitting room.
Where are the control buttons concealed?

very impressive, as always, Erik.

Erik van Voorst
26-06-2011, 09:43
Remote control only....:)

Jonboy
26-06-2011, 09:48
Remote control only....:)


Does it use The same transport as before?

Erik van Voorst
26-06-2011, 16:11
Does it use The same transport as before?

Yepp, a lot of it is pretty much identical although the big Pitbull uses a handmade aluminum laserboard and RVS laser guidance rod together with a seperate motor/spindle suspension and a laser-geartrain tensioner...;)

Erik van Voorst
01-07-2011, 08:17
Today I bumped into one of my projects in 2002...
The building of a subwoofer for my hometheater..
I'll place the pics for fun.

Walls of thick MDF and tightened with bars....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 2;image



A mixture of sand and cement (dry !!!) to get it as inert as possible...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 3;image


Very Serious Aluminum Port...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=485; image

Erik van Voorst
01-07-2011, 08:22
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 5;image

The biggest speaker-cable-connection I could find "Intertechnik"(german ofcourse)..

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 6;image

Downfire

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 0;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 4;image


No not to cover the driver but to cover the port....:mental:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 1;image

Erik van Voorst
01-07-2011, 08:38
Now the hardest part...getting 275 KG in place.......

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 7;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 8;image

I managed to do this the "Egyption" way....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=6913 9;image

Scaling purpose...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3170.0;attach=5958 ;image

Erik van Voorst
01-07-2011, 08:43
Some specs:

Filter: None (via processor)

Amplifier 1000 Watt Carlsbro (outperformed the Krell KSA50)

Units: 1 x Focal 15K8711 15 inch woofer

Unit material Kevlar

System: ported downfire

Port: Aluminum Anti-Resonant (Lead Bitumen)
Port size 15 cm dia x 50 cm length

Port grille Facetted Cloth with special internal MDF frame

Frequency 20- 120 Hz

Cabinet 7 cm walls MDF with Sandfilling

Size 80 cm x 70 cm x 60 cm

Finish American Walnut

Weight 275 kg

Terminals Intertechnik 25 mm

Cable van den Hul Magnum

aquapiranha
01-07-2011, 08:53
Lovely work Erik. You should start a new HiFi manufacturing company!

Macca
01-07-2011, 10:20
Fantastic - but at that weight if you ever move house you will just have to leave it for the new owners.:lolsign:

And you won an Oscar. Which is nice...

activexp
01-07-2011, 10:27
xXx-Bass cabinet walls filled with a mixture of sand and leadshot.
Making the total weight per speaker round 250 kg....:rolleyes:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8497.0;attach=1815 5;image

Any chance of a home demonstration? :lolsign:

Erik van Voorst
01-07-2011, 11:37
I must admit my audioset is probably one of the heaviest I even phoned the builder of my house in order for him to guarantee my floor construction :)

I only built for my hobby...as soon as it turns commercial it all will go very wrong and fun comes in on second place...;)

I did quite a rebuild to my house so very unlikely we will ever move.....(all "homebuild", kitchen, wine cellar, hometheater, garden etc) both are very happy with it...and besides that my living room is accoustically built/prepared for my 4 hours a day music....

swampy
01-07-2011, 13:08
This is some of the best if not the best DIY audio I've ever seen. Certainly does not look your typical diy but the work of a prestige high end specialist.

Incredible.

synsei
04-07-2011, 03:18
I'm reading this through and I'm thinking, "Wow, that's a nice, compact looking sub enclosure". Then I study the specs and my jaw hits the floor when I notice that the piddly looking speaker in the base is actually a 15" unit :eek:

Jesus Erik, don't ever site that sub next to the Alps, you'll give them an inferiority complex :lolsign:

MartinT
04-07-2011, 07:47
I've come late to this thread but that's fantastic work, Erik. I hope it sounds as good as it looks, because it looks utterly superb.

dcathro
08-07-2011, 13:17
Hi Erik,

Amazing work, you must be very proud of your system!!

I am curious as to how you construct your cables with the rice paper and silk. Have you got any photos of how they are made?

I do a little DIY, but after seeing your pictures, I think I should retire my soldering iron. :)

Cheers

anthonyTD
09-07-2011, 19:40
Absolutely incredible workmanship Erik.:)
Anthony,TD...

Yoga
09-07-2011, 21:08
Skills!

The Grand Wazoo
26-12-2011, 01:00
From The Grave
This just has to be the Thread of the Year from 2011.

synsei
26-12-2011, 10:08
+1 ;)

MartinT
26-12-2011, 12:02
I can only add further awe to my previous posting. Stunning workmanship and results.

Cans
26-12-2011, 13:36
Eric,
what a treat for us to be able to admire your system. It shows what we all want from our stuff. The ultimate.
And no doubt you will be an inspiration to many fellow geniuses on this forum to push themselves even further to get the best out of their builds.
No manufacturer could do this, could they? And that's what makes it so special.
Mike Oldfield and Jean Michel-Jarre discs on some photos. 2 of my personal favourites.
I'd have to reinforce my suspension on my van a bit to be able to house that in my home:):):):):):):):):):):)

Reid Malenfant
26-12-2011, 13:56
This just has to be the Thread of the Year from 2011.
I wholeheartedly agree :) A really inspirational thread that I don't think we'll ever see the likes of again, certainly not the build quality or the quantity of kit ;)

Marks out of 10.... 20+ :D

keiths
26-12-2011, 16:03
Not a lot to add to the other comments really. I remember following the thread ardently at the time (most of the time with my jaw on the floor) astounded at the quality of 'diy' on display. It was good to look over it again.

WOStantonCS100
26-12-2011, 21:32
Obviously awarding a piece of gear as a prize would be pretty pointless. :lol: Unless, perhaps, someone has an old Sanyo boombox buried in the closet. ;)

I've heard so many (especially manufacturers) say, "that's impossible". In reality, it's improbable, not impossible. The improbable doesn't matter to some folks. This work is a testimony to that.

Alex_UK
27-12-2011, 19:05
Very well deserved "thread of the year" - and still amazing to read again! I hope we haven't seen the last of you or your efforts Erik! :)

Ant
27-12-2011, 19:51
Wow, a mightily impressive job indeed. Well done Erik!

No expense spared - First time I've ever seen a £200 Duelund Cast Cap used in any diy project, top drawer sir:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88295.0;attach=838 14;image

What a pot too:

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=463 06;image

Is that a forces tat I see?


Good show,
Humbled Ant

morris_minor
02-01-2012, 23:58
Have just come to this thread as "thread of the year".

I am absolutely speechless with wonder and amazement. :eek: . I can only imagine how your kit sounds, Erik, but can see how beautiful it is - built with a craftsmanship very rarely seen. This is truly outstanding!

hoopsontoast
11-01-2012, 12:26
Just stunning, beautiful Industrial Design. The Copper and Ebony is just lovely!

:king:

Erik van Voorst
08-02-2012, 11:36
Thanks for the Thread of the Year Status guys...:)

Sorry that I am not keeping up-to-date but I am busy building and listening..

In the mean time I have received my AudioNote Silver Interstages (7 months waiting) and the copper in oil caps for my 2 dac chips.

No need to say that there was a substantial improvement :lol:

Here a few pics...and please have a listen to the Saint Saens Piano concertos they are heaven to listen to...:piano:

MartinT
08-02-2012, 11:53
It's nice to see you back again, Erik. Do keep feeding us your build photos, it's fascinating and humbling to see what can be achieved if you really try hard.

synsei
08-02-2012, 13:29
Thanks for the Thread of the Year Status guys...:)

Sorry that I am not keeping up-to-date but I am busy building and listening..

In the mean time I have received my AudioNote Silver Interstages (7 months waiting) and the copper in oil caps for my 2 dac chips.

No need to say that there was a substantial improvement :lol:

Here a few pics...and please have a listen to the Saint Saens Piano concertos they are heaven to listen to...:piano:

And very well deserved it is too Erik, you are a master craftsman sir :clap: :respect:

Erik van Voorst
08-02-2012, 18:04
At the moment I am busy testing with a Tube- rectification and stabelisation in my pre amp ARC ESP-6 RE.

For what it is worth I had a private shootout with a audiobuddy with a respected Kondo M7 and in the end it was a draw...maybe it gives you a bit of an idea.

I got inspired by Kondo so I am triggered again....this time to listen to tube rectification....first impression is a go ahead. Keep you informed:)

Puffin
08-02-2012, 18:35
Erik, when do you sleep, or don't you:lol::D

Erik van Voorst
08-02-2012, 18:44
Erik, when do you sleep, or don't you:lol::D


I hardly watch television (maybe 4 hours a week)
I do not work on fridays.....unless it concerns audio:lol:

Alex_UK
09-02-2012, 22:37
Nice to see you're still around Erik. :)

Macca
10-02-2012, 13:19
II do not work on fridays..

neither do I but don't tell my boss...

Erik van Voorst
14-02-2012, 12:07
At the moment experimenting with tube regulation in my ARC ESP-6 RE pre-amp.
Instead of diode rectification is this a clear winner and will soon build it with very nice components....

This week I am comparing how chokes (Tango, Partridge and Audionote) sound in the chain...I will buy the one left..

Erik van Voorst
31-03-2012, 17:11
Re: My Homebuilt system....
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2012, 02:48:32 AM »
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At the moment I have finalized my tuberectification...for my pre amp ARC ESP-6 Rugged Edition.
It is still on an experimental board but next week I will start building a "proper platform" for it... next to the external first power supply.

I am inspired by Kondo as you know but also by Josh Stippich (Electroluv) I am seriously thinking of giving it a Josh look...since nearly all the choosen parts are as a coincidence Organic.

I have picked everything by ear....regardless of price...it took me quite a while. *

Parmeko Transformer
Parmeko Choke (and yes it was sounding better than Audionote and Tango in my set-up)
Allen Bradley resistors
Yamamoto Tube Socket
Anhui Tongfeng Oil Filled Capacitor
Bybees
Mullard U52 ( bloody expensive )
Wiring (will be mainly a combination of solid Silver and OFC copper)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=990 50;image

Erik van Voorst
31-03-2012, 17:29
Maybe fun to read...

I had Jean Hiraga over to my place from France, in order to review and listen to my set.

I am in the March Edition I will get a copy soon and will try to translate ....if you excuse my French..:D

I am a bit proud since he normally reserves 5. Pages for doing sets ( he travels around the world for it ) and with me it took him 6. Pages....

So far i have only the front page...and translated...the goldsmith with the golden hands...ahum..promising

http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209.0;attach=1902

Puffin
31-03-2012, 17:58
Re: My Homebuilt system....
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2012, 02:48:32 AM »
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At the moment I have finalized my tuberectification...for my pre amp ARC ESP-6 Rugged Edition.
It is still on an experimental board but next week I will start building a "proper platform" for it... next to the external first power supply.

I am inspired by Kondo as you know but also by Josh Stippich (Electroluv) I am seriously thinking of giving it a Josh look...since nearly all the choosen parts are as a coincidence Organic.

I have picked everything by ear....regardless of price...it took me quite a while. *

Parmeko Transformer
Parmeko Choke (and yes it was sounding better than Audionote and Tango in my set-up)
Allen Bradley resistors
Yamamoto Tube Socket
Anhui Tongfeng Oil Filled Capacitor
Bybees
Mullard U52 ( bloody expensive )
Wiring (will be mainly a combination of solid Silver and OFC copper)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=990 50;image

:scratch:

Erik van Voorst
31-03-2012, 21:54
:scratch:

I know what you mean...and believe me the winners were clear winners as well.

Maybe I need to clarify it a bit.

The so called shoot out was done over a period of nearly 3 months with 2 days a week a listening session with two other audiobuddies.
The whole show was including a so called infamous blind testing...but always relaxed because only one person knew most of the time what he changed in the other room.
We tested Audionote, Tango, Obbligato, General Electric, ASC you name it.
All the stuff stayed in for at least a good burn in period.

I have all the luck of the world to have an audiobuddy who has a high end component shop...so as long as I don not trim the leads or solder I can make use of his supply.

The outcome surprised me as well and I would usually order Tamura, Tango, ASC straight from the internet ( you have no choice and rather safe to buy the best component outthere ).
However I cannot by the sheer name and reputation if a noname component outperforms in the total set up.

No need to tell you that I respected the values so there can be no influence in the that parameter area.

I just want to honestly share ....instead of going safe.

BTW if you look at eg the Parmeko Transformer and Choke materialwise...not to bad...using very old copperwire ( we all know its value in audio) and is sealed in oil....I guess buying NOS nowadays as new would also be a hefty pricetag.

The chinese cap is filled witht castor oil and sounded quite lively and emotional a virtue I am after.

twelvebears
01-04-2012, 11:46
Hey Marco.

Surely this kind of effort should earn Erik an AOS 'God-like Genius' award for services to DIY audio?

:clapclapclap:

Erik van Voorst
04-04-2012, 11:14
The review...mind you still "en francais"...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?topic=8497.3525#lastPost

Bottom page containing 6 PDF (6 pages review)

Folkboy
04-04-2012, 15:54
Hey Marco.

Surely this kind of effort should earn Erik an AOS 'God-like Genius' award for services to DIY audio?
Asbolutley.

:exactly:

MartinT
04-04-2012, 16:35
I had Jean Hiraga over to my place from France

That's a HELL of a visitor, Erik :eek:

Spectral Morn
04-04-2012, 17:07
That's a HELL of a visitor, Erik :eek:

Indeed :respect:

but imho well deserved.


Regards D S D L

Erik van Voorst
05-04-2012, 09:45
Since all the components are evaluated and choosen for my tube rectification for the pre amp ARC ESP-6 Rugged Edition started the actual building of a second dedicated separated power supply "box".
It will be a Josh Stippich look (Electronluv) and mixed with my own style...

3mm copperboard...winning cap stripped from its plastic jacket and sanded and sprayed 4 times with alu look.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 36;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 38;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 44;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 45;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 46;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 47;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 48;image

Erik van Voorst
05-04-2012, 20:42
Today I worked on the tubesocket for the rectification.
I use a Yamamoto solid teflon and out of a block ebony I fabricated a ring for it.
In the 3mm copperboard I made a second hole to guide all the wiring from the tube feet.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 68;image

Erik van Voorst
05-04-2012, 20:46
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 69;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 70;image

Erik van Voorst
05-04-2012, 20:48
Sandpaper and polish and wax....and here you have it.


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 71;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=992 72;image

Reid Malenfant
05-04-2012, 20:52
I can forsee something totally OTT & miraculous surfacing here one again in the not too distant future :D

:respect:

Gordon Steadman
08-04-2012, 07:29
Bit disappointed in some of the quality work here. Some of the slotted screws on the cases are definitely oriented in different directions. Could do better

Puffin
08-04-2012, 09:29
Bit disappointed in some of the quality work here. Some of the slotted screws on the cases are definitely oriented in different directions. Could do better

Ha ha :lol: nice one.

stupinder
08-04-2012, 11:52
I cut some shelves for cds last night and was quite pleased a. That I did it and b. I didn't lose any limbs whilst doing them. This stuff is beyond words!! Nice one Erik!!

Erik van Voorst
10-04-2012, 18:08
I sprayed my Parmekos in the "Josh Stippich Alu look" ;)

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=994 09;image

Erik van Voorst
10-04-2012, 18:11
Since the overhaul still would take a couple of days I implemented them back in my test set up in order to perform in order to give me my music :D

You get the idea how I respect Electronluv with still my own ingredients :)


http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=994 26;image

Erik van Voorst
14-04-2012, 07:02
Yesterday I did the front ......

Ebony with a 10x10 mm copperstrip and a massive copper ring for an indicationbulb.

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=995 21;image

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=995 24;image

Erik van Voorst
14-04-2012, 07:04
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=995 28;image

howlindawg
14-04-2012, 11:10
Love the attention to detail here Erik.

Keep the updates coming please.

Erik van Voorst
14-04-2012, 15:35
http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=995 67;image


Made an ebony frame and sprayed a couple of layers on the copper.

Erik van Voorst
19-04-2012, 10:58
One step further....:)



http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=996 37;image

Erik van Voorst
24-04-2012, 10:27
Finished...

Wired with Duelund Silver/Oil/Silk...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=998 34;image

Erik van Voorst
24-04-2012, 10:28
Ready for Battle.....

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=998 42;image

Erik van Voorst
24-04-2012, 10:30
For some maybe hard to believe but it finally outperforms the Kondo M-7.

Strong points....very realistic presentation even on low volume...ease, ease and ease...

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60931.0;attach=998 66;image

camtwister
24-04-2012, 13:17
Erik, this work is intoxicating.

Marco
01-05-2012, 15:30
Hey Marco.

Surely this kind of effort should earn Erik an AOS 'God-like Genius' award for services to DIY audio?

:clapclapclap:

Done! Erik has now earned a new title :youtheman:

Marco.

MartinT
01-05-2012, 16:59
:lol:

Erik van Voorst
03-05-2012, 18:36
I am flattered guys :champagne:

wiicrackpot
03-05-2012, 19:05
Erik, i came across this thread for 1st time yesterday, took me quite a while but just as well i am on holiday this week,
what held me all the way through was the magnitude of the work and talent involved,
i looked at my hands afterwards and my head just slumped, thanks for sharing. :)

wii.

Barry
13-07-2014, 14:43
From The Grave

YNWaN
13-07-2014, 16:03
Lovely quality of both construction and design. However, it's over two years since the OP last posted so I wouldn't expect a lot more (I would like it though).

tigger
15-07-2014, 09:43
Probably the best setup in the world.

Truly amazing Erik. These will one day end up in a museum.

walpurgis
15-07-2014, 09:53
Some seriously serious stuff Erik. Looks wonderful, wish I could hear what it sounds like. Congratulations.

Wakefield Turntables
15-07-2014, 10:30
Where has Eric gone?

tigger
15-07-2014, 12:41
Where has Eric gone?

Maybe his pre amp fell on him :ner:

Macca
15-07-2014, 12:49
probabaly went back to the Legion.

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 07:51
For my new Ongaku Cloning Project I built a steady breadboard

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_33.jpeg

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 07:56
Since Tango is hard to come by and Tamura is the equavalent (some experience these even better) I ordered two OPT's from Mr. Uchida.
Tamura is named after the Samurai Clan from Fukushima.
This model is the F-2013 with approx. the same specs as the Tango X10

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_34.jpeg

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 08:01
The rectification will be done by means of the GZ34. Since I found it to much work to build teflon sockets on a flexible platform (which I will do when all experimenting is done) I chose for the easy way.

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_37.jpeg

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 08:04
I made some connections
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_40.jpeg

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_41.jpeg

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_42.jpeg

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 08:08
For the 211 tubes I found a nice tube socket made from one piece Teflon.

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_46.jpeg
That is not a tubesocket......THIS is a Tubesocket.... :)

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 08:11
The drivers for the 211 will be EL84 but I will experiment with this.
You will see now that I will not be building this Intergrated since I have a DIY pre amplifier.

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_48.jpeg

Erik van Voorst
08-10-2016, 08:15
Ofcourse I will not call this Ongaku although it leans heavy towards this design but I will name it: LUNG-TA this means "Windhorse" that was the animal carrying the Philosopher's Stone.

You see the symbol (laser-cut out of wood ...sounds expensive but is a plain necklace)

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx129/ErikvanVoorst/image_51.jpeg