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Barry
26-04-2011, 21:55
Numerology is any of a number of systems, traditions or beliefs in a mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and physical objects or living things.
Numerology and numerological divination by systems such as isopsephy ( ἴσος isos meaning "equal" and ψῆφος psephos meaning "pebble", is the Greek word for the practice of adding up the number values of the letters in a word to form a single number. The early Greeks used pebbles arranged in patterns to learn arithmetic and geometry) were popular among early mathematicians, such as Pythagoras, but are no longer considered part of mathematics and are regarded as pseudomathematics by modern scientists. This is similar to the historical relationships between astrology and astronomy, and between alchemy and chemistry.

Today, numerology and nemeromancy (prediction using numbers) is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology and similar divinatory arts. The term can also be used for those who place excess faith in numerical patterns, even if those people don't practice traditional numerology.


Many societies associate certain numbers with prosperity and good fortune, whereas other numbers are to be avoided. For example, in Christian cultures the numbers 3 and 7 are good (and 21 being 3 x 7 is considered doubly good). The number 13 is considered unlucky in these cultures, whereas it is considered auspicious in Buddhist countries, as are the numbers 5, 9 and 108. The number 666 in Christian cultures is famous for being imbued with almost unspoken significance.

In Chinese culture certain numbers are considered auspicious, lucky and good, whereas others are considered to inauspicious, unlucky and bad. Cantonese frequently assign the following definitions, which may differ in other Chinese languages:

1. 一 [jɐ́t] - sure
2. 二 [ji̭ː] - easy 易 [ji̭ː]
3. 三 [sáːm] - live 生 [sáːŋ]
4. 四 [sēi] - considered unlucky since 4 is a homophone with the word for death or suffering 死 [sěi], yet in the Shanghainese, it is a homophone of water (水) and is considered lucky since water is associated with money. Many buildings in China do not have a 4th floor (just as in Christian countries the 13th floor or a house number 13 is renamed)
5. 五 [ŋ̬] - the self, me, myself 吾 [ŋ̭], nothing, never 唔 [ŋ, m]
6. 六 [lůːk] - easy and smooth, all the way
7. 七 [tsʰɐ́t] - a slang/vulgar word in Cantonese.
8. 八 [pāːt] - sudden fortune, prosperity 發 [fāːt]
9. 九 [kɐ̌u] - long in time 久 [kɐ̌u], enough 夠 [kɐ̄u] or a slang/vulgar word derived from dog 狗 [kɐ̌u] in Cantonese.

The lucky, auspicious and good numbers are thus 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 13.

Some "lucky number" combinations include:

· 99 - doubly long in time, hence eternal; used in the name of a popular Chinese-American supermarket chain, 99 Ranch Market.
· 168 - road of prosperity or to be prosperous together (literal translation is "continuing to be wealthy"). Many premium-pay telephone numbers in China begin with this number. It is also the name of a motel chain in China (Motel 168).
· 518 - I will prosper, other variations include: 5189 (I will prosper for a long time), 516289 (I will get on a long, smooth prosperous road) and 5918 (I will soon prosper)
· 814 - Similar to 168, this means "be wealthy, entire life". 148 also implies the same meaning "entire life be wealthy".
· 888 - Three times the prosperity, means "wealthy wealthy wealthy". (e.g. the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing were designated by the Chinese officials to begin on the most auspicious date possible to ensure the success of the Games for its hosts: August 8, 2008 - on the 8th day, of the 8th month in the 8th year of the new millennium at 8 seconds and 8 minutes past 8 pm (local time))
· 1314 - whole lifetime, existence.
· 289 - This combination is quite straight forward: ease in finding enough luck/fortune and holding it for a long time. (2 is easy, 8 is fortune, 9 is enough and/or for a long time.

Quad is now owned by a Chinese company. Fortunately the iconic designs do have numerological auspicious association. The Quad 33/303 combination is doubly auspicious as 3 + 3 = 6, both 3 and 6 are good, and the same holds for 303. Also 3 x 3 = 9, also auspicious. The Quad 44/405, despite the awkward “4” is OK: 4 + 4 = 8, 4 x 4 = 16 and 1 + 6 = 7, also good. For the 405, 4 + 5 = 9. The same good luck follows the 510 and 520 designs, as well as the 34/306 and 606, 707 and 909 amplifiers. Given the special importance of “8”, maybe the Chinese will fill in the gap and produce a power amplifier called the Quad 808?

So what of the Quad II and 22? Well not so good for the Chinese, but in German numeromancy the numbers 11, 22, and 33 are said to be ‘master numbers’ which are not reduced to a single digit; so that’s all right then! And it confers blessing on the Ferrograph 632 tape machine.

The Quad FM4 tuner is doomed, but not the FM3, AM3 nor the 66 products. So too is the Garrard 301, but not the 401 (nor the 501; but nobody seems to be giving that newcomer any attention). And, shock horror, the Technics 1210 is saddled with an inauspicious number.

Yet:

Certain numbers were considered sacred, holy, or magical by the ancient Egyptians, particularly 2, 3, 4, 7, and their multiples and sums, so the audio company 47 Labs have an auspicious number, as they do according to the German cabbalists (4 + 7 = 11). Looks like there is an escape route for the Technics 1210 deck after all!

The 23 enigma refers to the belief that most incidents and events are directly connected to the number 23, some modification of the number 23, or a number related to the number 23 (and by extension 5 = 2 + 3)

Robert Anton Wilson cites William S. Burroughs as being the first person to believe in the 23 enigma. Wilson, in an article in Fortean Times, related the following story:

I first heard of the 23 enigma from William S Burroughs, author of “Naked Lunch”, “Nova Express”, etc. According to Burroughs, he had known a certain Captain Clark, around 1960 in Tangier, who once bragged that he had been sailing 23 years without an accident. That very day, Clark’s ship had an accident that killed him and everybody else aboard. Furthermore, while Burroughs was thinking about this crude example of the irony of the gods that evening, a bulletin on the radio announced the crash of an airliner in Florida, USA. The pilot was another captain Clark and the flight was Flight 23.

Burroughs wrote a short story in 1967 called "23 Skidoo." The term "23 skidoo" was popularized in the early 1920s and means "it's time to leave while the getting is good."

The Principia Discordia states that "All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5". This is referred to as the Law of Fives. The 23 Enigma is regarded as a corollary of this law. It can be seen in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The Illuminatus! Trilogy (therein called the "23/17 phenomenon"); Wilson's Cosmic Trigger I: The Final Secret of the Illuminati (therein called "The Law of fives" and "The 23 Enigma"); Arthur Koestler's Challenge of Chance, as well as the Principia Discordia. In these works, 23 is considered lucky, unlucky, sinister, strange, or sacred to the goddess Eris or to the unholy gods of the Cthulhu Mythos.

In humans, each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes making 46 all together. Now 4 + 6 =10 and 1 + 0 = 1, and this is associated in Chinese numeromancy with the self or individual. But I don’t know what this says for the Auditorium 23 SUT, save 2 + 3 = 5 and that’s good.

As with most numerological claims, the enigma can be viewed as an example of apophenia (perceiving patterns or meaning in meaningless data: like seeing a face in an inkblot), selection bias, and confirmation bias. In interviews, Wilson acknowledged the self-fulfilling nature of the enigma, implying that the real value of the Laws of Fives and Twenty-threes lies in their demonstration of the mind's power to perceive "truth" in nearly anything.

“When you start looking for something you tend to find it. This wouldn't be like Simon Newcomb, the great astronomer, who wrote a mathematical proof that heavier than air flight was impossible and published it a day before the Wright brothers took off. I'm talking about people who found a pattern in nature and wrote several scientific articles and got it accepted by a large part of the scientific community before it was generally agreed that there was no such pattern, it was all just selective perception.”

In the Illuminatus! Trilogy, he expresses the same view: that one can find a numerological significance to anything, provided "sufficient cleverness." (And never was a truer word said.)


Myriad is a classical Greek name for the number 10^4 = 10,000, or a group of 10,000 people, etc. In English, the word can either refer to 10,000 or to an unspecified large quantity. There are also words in other languages with the same classic meaning as "myriad":

Chinese, Japanese and Korean even have words for a myriad squared (10,000^2): yi (億/亿), oku (億), and eok (엌/億)(pronounced "awk"), respectively. In Japan, a myriad cubed (10,0003) is a cho (兆); a myriad to the fourth power (10,0004) is a kei (京).

The English numbering system divides large numbers into groups of three digits, and so the names for such numbers follow this division (10,000 = ten thousand). Asian numbering divides large numbers into groups of four; so in Chinese, Japanese, or Korean, 30,000 really would be "three myriad" (3,0000 - Japanese san-man). One million is a hundred myriad (100 x 10000 instead of 1000 x 1000); the next uniquely named number after a myriad is 億, which is myriad myriad (10000 x 10000) or a hundred million.

Archimedes of Syracuse used the recursive 'myriad' 'myriad' 'myriad' etc. to count the number of grains of sand on a beach, and hence, the entire universe. By extension myriad can, as has been mentioned, be used to suggest an almost uncountable, or infinite number.

Myryad is the name of a well-respected manufacturer of audio equipment.

Legend has it that whoever starts the 10,000th thread on the Art of Sound audio forum will be rewarded with untold wealth and riches by the mysterious and awesome Grand Inquisitor of Wrexham; but this legend is perhaps best treated as the fairy tale it is.

What a harmless load of bollocks all this is!

Neil McCauley
26-04-2011, 22:04
Numerology is any of a number of systems, traditions or beliefs in a mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and physical objects or living things. What a harmless load of bollocks all this is!

Quite so.

But THIS next 'trip' really has put the wind up me good 'n proper. I kid you not. Written by Nick Bostrom (born Niklas Boström on 10 March 1973[1]) philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk and the anthropic principle. He holds a PhD from the London School of Economics (2000). He is currently the director of The Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University. What I understood of the following was not easy to dismiss. In fact, try as I may I can't.

And so gentlemen, I invite you to get your grey matter around the following ....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

lurcher
26-04-2011, 22:06
What a harmless load of bollocks all this is!

Bollocks certainly, but I am always unsure if magical thinking of any sort is entirely harmless.

Though anyone using RAW as a reference deserves extra bonus points :-)

--
The Mgt...

Techno Commander
26-04-2011, 22:53
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:)

Alex_UK
26-04-2011, 23:03
There is no spoon!

goraman
27-04-2011, 01:30
01001001 00100000 01110111 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 01101110 01110100 00100000 01110111 01101111 01110010 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101111 01101111 00100000 01101101 01110101 01100011 01101000 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101111 01110011 01100101 00100000 01101110 01110101 01101101 01100010 01100101 01110010 01110011 00101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101001 01101101 01110000 01101111 01110010 01110100 01100001 01101110 01110100 00100000 01101111 01101110 01100101 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 00110001 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 00110000 00100000 01100110 01110010 01101111 01101101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01000011 01000100 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100001 01111001 01100101 01110010 00101110

:)

11010010 10111010 01010101 11100101 00110100 01100110 1001101?

goraman
27-04-2011, 01:40
786 vs.666

Muslims believe Gods Holy number is 786 and the fallen ones number is 666.
I was ones told the number of God is 7 the number of man is 3 and the number of woman is 9 and the number of the beast is 6.

I really wonder if there is something to all of this as I had a friend that really got into all of this numerology stuff.
personally ,I 'd rather count beer caps.

WAD62
27-04-2011, 14:42
786 vs.666

Muslims believe Gods Holy number is 786 and the fallen ones number is 666.
I was ones told the number of God is 7 the number of man is 3 and the number of woman is 9 and the number of the beast is 6.

I really wonder if there is something to all of this as I had a friend that really got into all of this numerology stuff.
personally ,I 'd rather count beer caps.

People do indeed believe a awful lot of daft stuff...some people need to let a little 'doubt' into their lives

I'll second you on the beer caps Jeff :)

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 14:55
Quite so.

But THIS next 'trip' really has put the wind up me good 'n proper. I kid you not. Written by Nick Bostrom (born Niklas Boström on 10 March 1973[1]) philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk and the anthropic principle. He holds a PhD from the London School of Economics (2000). He is currently the director of The Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University. What I understood of the following was not easy to dismiss. In fact, try as I may I can't.

And so gentlemen, I invite you to get your grey matter around the following ....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
I wouldn't worry too much Howard :) Statiscally to model the universe & everything in it would actually require something as complex as the universe itself. Therefore we aren't all plugged into a computer a la Matrix simply because it couldn't be done :eyebrows:

Barry
27-04-2011, 19:37
11010010 10111010 01010101 11100101 00110100 01100110 1001101?

Can anyone provide me with a translation of this binary code? Oh, and a translation of Andy's post to which this is a reply! :scratch:

Then can we please draw this thread to a close? - as it was not meant to be at all serious! :)

Cheers

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 19:41
Then can we please draw this thread to a close? - as it was not meant to be at all serious! :)
I'm pretty sure that no-one took it seriously Barry :eyebrows: Personally i think it shouldn't be closed as there is fun to be had :cool:

If you want to play with your head watch a film called Pi, as in 3.1415926545 etc... That'll get you thinking :thumbsup:

Thing Fish
27-04-2011, 19:45
Next people will be telling me that they really think that there was some bearded twat running around calling himself jesus.

I'm sorry but as stated previously its all bollox..:lol:

Barry
27-04-2011, 19:59
Next people will be telling me that they really think that there was some bearded twat running around calling himself jesus.

I'm sorry but as stated previously its all bollox..:lol:

Take care Dave, you might be offending some members here.

Regards

Alex_UK
27-04-2011, 20:01
Then can we please draw this thread to a close? - as it was not meant to be at all serious! :)

Barry - serious or not (not) it was a work of genius IMO - must have taken you an age to construct and very entertaining - my vote would have gone to you for the prize. :)

Thing Fish
27-04-2011, 20:04
Take care Dave, you might be offending some members here.

Regards


Everyone is entitled to there opinion on here Barry.;)

Barry
27-04-2011, 20:11
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on here Barry.;)

Oh - I'm with Voltaire here. It was your choice of words that worried me. ;)

We certainly have had an exchange of opinions here on AoS concerning the Monarchy and the Royal Wedding. :rolleyes:

Regards

Thing Fish
27-04-2011, 20:34
Sometimes I think we should all just stick to talking about Hi Fi.

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 20:41
Yes, but there are enough differences of opinion about that :lolsign: So what's a few more subjects...

I guess it all goes to prove we are all human at the end of the day & have differences of opinion ;) The world would be a bloody boring place if everyone agreed with each other & we'd have nothing to learn :eek:

Might as well cut your own throat & be done with it :mental:

Actually i really do think the off topic forum subjects are rather good as you actually get a more inciteful view of how that person thinks rather than just on the subject of hifi ;)

Alex_UK
27-04-2011, 20:43
Might as well cut your own throat & be done with it :mental:

Nah, much more fun to cut each others :D

Thing Fish
27-04-2011, 20:44
True but its only a matter of time before someone oversteps the mark and gets banned...!

Has this happened on AOS yet?

Barry
27-04-2011, 20:49
Sometimes I think we should all just stick to talking about Hi Fi.

Oh, but that would make AoS a dry and sterile forum. As long as we try not to deliberately offend anyone, and if no consensus is reached "agree to disagree", then in my opinion, anything and everything should be open to discussion.

Even just talking about Hi Fi can lead to some quite lively and heated discussions. But unlike some other audio fora, here on AoS it never becomes rancorous. Somehow, "the control rods are always pushed in" before the discussion turns acrimonious.

Regards

Welder
27-04-2011, 20:49
“True but its only a matter of time before someone oversteps the mark and gets banned...!

Has this happened on AOS yet?”

Yep :)

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 20:50
Not to my knowledge no, off topic subjects (as long as you are being reasonable & non offensive to other posters) can express just about any opinion you like at the end of the day.

It's when people start giving it what for at others that action would be taken, we don't like any kind of bullying here & rightly so ;)

Obviously if you are going to talk bo**ox all the time then a dim view will be taken of that as well :eyebrows:

Other than that i think the AoS world is your oyster.

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 20:57
“True but its only a matter of time before someone oversteps the mark and gets banned...!

Has this happened on AOS yet?”

Yep :)
John, you had to sit on the naughty step for a week :eyebrows: You are still here thankfully :)

Alex_UK
27-04-2011, 21:07
I think it is all about respect, really - once you throw that away, you are probably in trouble - have a difference of belief or opinion by all means, but expect and respect that not everyone will share the same views and all will be harmonious. Sort of. ;)

lurcher
27-04-2011, 21:22
I guess it all goes to prove we are all human at the end of the day

Well, there is no more evidence for that than the simulated or not universe.


I wouldn't worry too much Howard Statiscally to model the universe & everything in it would actually require something as complex as the universe itself. Therefore we aren't all plugged into a computer a la Matrix simply because it couldn't be done

Yep, but that assumes that its not possible to have a universe more complex than this one. the "real" universe our simulation runs in could have 24 spacial dimensions and 4 time ones. Our simulation could be no more real to them than a black and white silent film is to us.

Planck's constant seem to limit the complexity in a downward direction here, so it doesn't have to be infinitely complex.

Reid Malenfant
27-04-2011, 21:24
Oh my, where is that cat & the prussic acid when you need it :eyebrows:

Techno Commander
27-04-2011, 21:32
Oh, and a translation of Andy's post to which this is a reply! :scratch:

Cheers


Binary Translator. (http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/)

My post -
I wouldnt worry too much about all those numbers. The only important ones are the 1 and 0 from the CD player.

Barry
27-04-2011, 21:42
Binary Translator. (http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/)

My post -

Thanks Andy :)

Marco
27-04-2011, 22:31
I think it is all about respect, really - once you throw that away, you are probably in trouble - have a difference of belief or opinion by all means, but expect and respect that not everyone will share the same views and all will be harmonious...

Spot on, Alex. Respect is the key. Vehemently disagree with your 'opponent', by all means, even secretly think that he's a twunt, but ALWAYS keep it civil, and respect the other person's viewpoint, even if you think they're talking shite... ;)

John, you simply suffered a wee 'episode', a minor mishap, which meant you were in the sin-bin for a week. But after a brief botty slap (which I know you have fond memories of :eyebrows:), and a virtual hug, you were back among us again, talking the pish we all lurves ya for! :lol:

And long may it stay that way!

Marco.

Tim
27-04-2011, 23:36
Spot on, Alex. Respect is the key. Vehemently disagree with your 'opponent', by all means, even secretly think that he's a twunt, but ALWAYS keep it civil, and respect the other person's viewpoint, even if you think they're talking shite... ;)
It's probably been heard and said on here before, but I'm going to repeat it anyway - my Grandad used to say "I disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it"
I like that.

Barry
28-04-2011, 08:30
It's probably been heard and said on here before, but I'm going to repeat it anyway - my Grandad used to say "I disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it"
I like that.

Clearly Tim your grandfather was no stranger to the sayings of Voltaire.

Here are some other ‘bon mots’ uttered by Voltaire that I like:

“Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.”

“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”

“Common sense is not so common.”

“All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God.”

And since were are being controversial here, I’ll finish with another of Voltaire’s quips:

“I hate women because they always know where things are.”

Regards

Tim
28-04-2011, 16:20
“I hate women because they always know where things are.”
Too right!

Nice post Barry, thanks - didn't know it was one of Voltaire’s. :)