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Barry
15-04-2011, 19:23
I shall be putting this combination through its paces, in order to assess the performance for a potential buyer. This is a real blast from the past: a Goldring G99 idler drive turntable with a Decca Mk. IV cartridge, the H4E, mounted in a Decca ffss Mk. I ‘Super’ arm.

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The Goldring G99 has, until recently, been a bit of a sleeper. Designed by the Swiss company Lenco for their UK distributors Goldring and manufactured in the UK, this turntable was intended to challenge the hegemony established by Garrard with their 301 and 401 models. The first turntable made by Goldring was the model G88, intended to rival the Garrard 301. The G88 was given a cosmetic ‘make-over’, to rival the Garrard 401. Such was the worldwide following of the Garrard models, that the Goldrings were neglected. With the Garrards becoming harder to track down with commensurate increase in prices obtained from eBay auctions, enthusiasts started to look at the Goldring models. As such prices for the Goldrings are now climbing rapidly.

The Goldrings differs from the Garrards, in that a vertical idler wheel drives the platter, the idler itself running against a tapered horizontal motor drive shaft. Speed changes are effected through moving the idler up and down the tapered drive shaft. This means that the Goldrings can run anywhere between 33 and 80 rpm. The speed control is marked for four speeds 16, 33, 45 and 78, though there is no fine speed adjustment for the 16 2/3 rpm speed.

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The arm and cartridge are the Decca ffss Mk. I ‘Super’ arm carrying the Decca Mk. IV H4E cartridge. Whilst Decca did produce a Mk. IV cartridge with ½” fixing holes (following successful lobbying by Decca enthusiasts), Decca were always of the opinion that the arm and cartridge should be treated as a single entity and designed to compliment one another. What this means is that before the introduction of the universal Decca ‘International’ arms, previous Decca arms could only be used with Decca cartridges. The cartridge takes the form of a ‘head’ that clips directly onto the end of the Decca arm. This way the counterweight is automatically set so as to counterbalance the mass of the head and to provide the correct tracking force. It also means the stylus tip is automatically placed at the correct geometrical point for minimum tracking error.

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For the sake of expediency I’m running the cartridge into a Hafler DH 101 preamp and thence into a lightly modified Quad 405-2 power amp and Quad ’57 speakers.

The deck arm and cartridge are probably at least 30 years old, so I was curious to find out how they sounded. The first record I played was Beethoven’s 9th symphony (the ‘Choral’). Yes the Decca ‘magic’ was there: providing a generous, wide soundstage with good depth. Once again, I was impressed by the wonderful focus created by the Decca: the individual vocalists were spatially distinct and clear. Bass was deep and full, and the Decca was well behaved with the higher frequencies. The portrayal of brass instruments was notably good, having the correct ‘rasp’.

Other notable aspects were a pleasing layering of the orchestral instruments, and clarity of subtle detail. The excellent attack for which Deccas are legendary was there, but not to such an impressive extent as that displayed by the later models. Even so, the finale gave me ‘goose bumps’.

But such is the excitement and life that all Deccas generate, that LP followed LP.

Next up was Randy Crawford ‘Now We May Begin’. Crawford was nicely centred with the midrange beautifully rendered by the Decca. Percussion instruments were accurately portrayed. All in all, an enjoyable experience.

At no time did the Decca combination mistrack or display ‘end of side’ distortion.

It’s amazing how good some ‘vintage’ equipment can sound - a testament to the skill of the designers of the time.

Reid Malenfant
15-04-2011, 20:07
Watching & reading with interest Barry as i have a G99 here doing not a lot :doh:

Nice write up chap, enjoy the tunes!

Thing Fish
15-04-2011, 20:24
It looks like you have a lump of fudge on the end of your tonearm?

Rare Bird
15-04-2011, 22:45
Very nice Barry

Jac Hawk
15-04-2011, 23:06
It looks like you have a lump of fudge on the end of your tonearm?

Yeh Barry you did say Decca and not Thorntons:lolsign:

Rare Bird
15-04-2011, 23:31
I like it because how it's laid out has nay hairs & graces, plonk an amplifier on a pile of shit it will sound the same as onn a specialised rack :eyebrows:

John
16-04-2011, 00:44
Nice Barry
Marc it really would be worth getting your G99 up and running. Create a decent plinth plenty of advice on the web plonk a nice arm and cart and just enjoy

Barry
05-05-2011, 21:53
It looks like you have a lump of fudge on the end of your tonearm?

:lol:

No not a "lump of fudge" but something much, much better. The Decca Mk. IV cartridge (or rather the Decca (S)H4E, of which this is an example) had a cream coloured housing, presumably to distinguish it from the black coloured housing of the Decca Mk. IIIs.

The cream coloured case has discoloured with age, resulting in the honey coloured cartridge you see. And believe me - it is one 'honey' of a performer!

Barry
05-05-2011, 23:16
This equipment is now destined for a new home, so the “week” is rapidly coming to an end. I shall be delivering it to its new owner soon, so only have a limited time with it. Anyway it wouldn’t be right to wear the stylus unnecessarily, now that there is a committed buyer.

However the combination is just so enjoyable that I couldn’t resist using it for a little longer, and anyway its new owner wondered how the G99 deck compares with the Thorens TD124.

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So to that end I’ve had do a little rearranging. The Hafler DH-101 I’m using as an equalisation preamplifier is now connected to the Levinson ML-26 preamp “Aux” input from the Hafler’s “out” link sockets. That way the tone and volume control circuitry of the Hafler is unused and I can continue to use the radio tuner and CD player through the Levinson.

The Hafler has switching for two phono sources, so the G99/Decca is connected to one and the Thorens to the second.

Now the intention was to fit a second Decca ffss Mk.I ‘Super’ arm to the Thorens, so by transferring the Decca Mk. IV from one arm to another, the two turntables could be compared. Unfortunately, what with one thing and another, I haven’t had time to cut a new arm-board for the Thorens turntable. In its place, and as a compromise, I’m using the Decca Mk. VI (also fitted with an elliptical stylus) mounted in an EMT headshell on a damped SME arm. Not ideal, but the best I can do in the limited time I have before delivering the G99/Decca combination to its new owner.

I have only had a limited listening session comparing the two set-ups, and I can only comment on the differences between the two in toto; I cannot isolate the ‘sound’ of the two turntables from the overall combination. Even so the results have been interesting.

First of all both combinations are excellent and both decks create a platform on which the Deccas (of different generations) are able to perform at their best. Both Decca cartridges are just a wonderful joy to use and listen to. The later Decca (the Mk. VI) seems to build on the strengths of the Mk. IV, yet I feel that there is a definite symbiotic combination of the IV with the Decca arm; which is exactly what the designers at Decca intended. The all-Decca combination is perfectly behaved and provided the arm height is correct (that is, provides correct VTA), everything else is perfectly optimised for the cartridge.

The use of an SME arm permits adjustment of all parameters, and indeed if carefully set up as the Decca demands, is perfectly capable of allowing the Decca ‘magic’ to display itself. Yet I’m not sure if the knife-edge vertical bearings of the SME are ideal when it comes to using a Decca cartridge: handling noises are quite evident with this arm/cartridge combination, whereas they are completely absent when used with the Decca arm. Furthermore I feel that the all-Decca combination displays more poise or élan, in comparison the Decca/SME combination is just a little more lively or rambunctious; though both are, as I have said, wonderful sounding combinations: deep and wide soundstaging; wide frequency response and an attack and transient response to die for.

I have a few more days yet to listen to the two combinations, so I might be able to expand on these first impressions and make it less of a ‘half’ report. I have to confess that I have never been able to categorically quantify the sound of turntables (not even when I was able to spend a year listening and comparing the Linn LP-12 with my Thorens), so the best that I can do is to eventually fit my Decca ffss arm to the Thorens and using the Mk. VI cartridge, try and extract the ‘sound’ of the two arms. It will still leave the comparison between the two turntables left undone.

To be continued …..

The Grand Wazoo
06-05-2011, 23:19
This all sounds great Barry!

I suppose I ought to come clean here and point out to the congregation that I'm to be the new owner of this little lot and I'm really looking forward a great deal to getting acquainted with it.
Truth be known, I can't wait, actually!!

Alex_UK
06-05-2011, 23:21
Congrats Chris, looking forward to reading your side of the story - I'm sure you won't fudge the issue!

The Grand Wazoo
06-05-2011, 23:31
I think it's going to be fun - I've been promising myself one of these, literally since I was in short trousers.
My Dad was in the Garrard camp but some family friends had these & they struck a chord with me. Looking for some Eico amps and tuner now!

http://www.samsaudiolabs.com/images/eicoHF81.jpghttp://www.vintage-tuner.com/tuner1/eico/eico_hft-90-01.jpg

hifi_dave
07-05-2011, 10:17
This all sounds great Barry!

I suppose I ought to come clean here and point out to the congregation that I'm to be the new owner of this little lot and I'm really looking forward a great deal to getting acquainted with it.
Truth be known, I can't wait, actually!!

It's BIG and it's ballsy. You are gonna wet your pants..:eyebrows:

The Grand Wazoo
07-05-2011, 10:35
It's BIG and it's ballsy. You are gonna wet your pants..:eyebrows:

It's OK - I'm all prepared for that. I borrowed these from Marco:

http://www.hbenterprises.co.uk/jpeg/NKPnp7_384.jpg

DSJR
07-05-2011, 12:05
:D

Barry
07-05-2011, 12:42
Oi - stop crapping on my thread! :lol:

The only things you're going to need are:

A week off work
A week's supply of beer
A sleeping bag
A coffee maker with plenty of coffee

and

Orders left to the effect that you are not to be disturbed, apart from meals which will be brought to you.

Oh and get that RCM up and running; the Decca is an absolute magnet for dust and fluff. Unless your records are scupulously clean, you will be cleaning the stylus almost after every side! (That is the purpose of the mirror and torch, seen in the last photo.)

Regards

Rare Bird
07-05-2011, 16:55
That Eico 'HF81' looks nice Chris..

Back on track.

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