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Ammonite Audio
21-03-2011, 17:51
http://www.chestergroup.org/index.php?option=com_joomd&view=joomd&Itemid=221
I am planning to go to the Heathrow Show on Saturday (26 Mar). Is anyone else going?
Spectral Morn
21-03-2011, 17:58
Yes I will be attending wearing my Adventures in High Fidelity Audio Hat. If we pass in the corridors say hello. Or maybe if there are enough AOS members there we can meet at the bar....
Regards D S D L
I'll be there too, on Saturday. Rendezvous for a beer, or even just to say hello?
hifinutt
21-03-2011, 18:41
sadly have to miss this , 2 hifi shows already this year and not enough brownie points for another !:(
Unfortunately we have house guests all weekend, and would be rude to cancel them, which is a shame 'cos I would have liked to meet a few more faces from here, I'm sure there will be other times, though. Enjoy the show.
First show for 3 years - so looking forward to it.
I guess after trying to find somewhere to park , paying £4 for a coffee then listening to the Eagles, I will be screaming to get out and go home!
Not ANOTHER bloody Heathrow show :(
The audience is usually the same old ageing faces, the food and drink costs an arm, leg and more, the sound is usually crap and they STILL persist in doing these. Won't they ever learn?
If you want to see a proper hi-fi show, attended by genuine enthusiasts, go to Scalford Hall!
Marco
If you want to see a proper hi-fi show, attended by genuine enthusiasts, go to Scalford Hall!
Marco
I'll kidnap him if necessary for 2012! :eyebrows: ;)
Reid Malenfant
21-03-2011, 22:19
I'll kidnap him if necessary for 2012! :eyebrows: ;)
Must be loads of room in the boot of that motor of yours Alex! :eyebrows:
Neil McCauley
21-03-2011, 23:03
Not ANOTHER bloody Heathrow show :(
The audience is usually the same old ageing faces, the food and drink costs an arm, leg and more, the sound is usually crap and they STILL persist in doing these. Won't they ever learn?
Regretfully, I have to agree with you. It's pity. I know for a certain fact that the organisers have tried, albeit in vain it seems, to increase the footfall (as we call it in the trade) Last time I looked it was circa 1,200 in total over the two days. And yes, these faces do seem familiar – because they are familiar! I wouldn't go as far as to say that the sounds are usually crap. There are case where outstanding sound is revealed. Admittedly rare, but it does happen.
From a non civilian's perspective (err, that's me) I'd say that perhaps 50% are disappointing. Some dreadful. Sadly the dreadful ones linger in one's mind the longest. As for me, I take bottled water and sandwiches.
Neil McCauley
21-03-2011, 23:06
If you want to see a proper hi-fi show, attended by genuine enthusiasts, go to Scalford Hall!
Marco
Okay, I will then. Err, what's the food like?
Hi Howard,
Decent - it's quite a nice hotel; the 'sister' of Whittlebury Hall, used for the commercial hi-fi show later in the year. But don't worry, I'll bring you some home-made linguine, from home, with the sauce of your choice! ;)
Marco.
I agree that these shows are generally disappointing. However, it's got to be better than the Bristol show, you usually hear a couple of gems that make it worth the trip, there are always interesting people to chat to and I need to feed my hi-fi show diet that I have kept up since the early Audio Fairs of my youth.
Hopefully will see a few AoS members there.
I really would recommend Scalford, its kind of what I always wanted a show to be.
The London show is a lot better, Martin - much more interesting, less mainstream equipment from smaller, more specialist manufacturers, so I'm sure you'll enjoy it and pick up some more vinyl (no doubt one of your main reasons for going) ;)
It's a horrible venue, though, compared to the relative splendour of Whittlebury Hall.
I believe Arthur (from Funk) will be there, so say hello :)
Marco.
Neil McCauley
22-03-2011, 07:55
I believe Arthur (from Funk) will be there, so say hello :) Marco.
Ah well, in the case then I'm very tempted. A rather gifted individual with technical nous and ... refusing to play the industry 'game'. A maverick, and all the more welcome because of this.
Indeed. He's a top bloke, Howard, much like your good self! :)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
22-03-2011, 08:09
Scalfold is an enthusiasts show not a commercial show, therefore has no new products at it (in general) and is not used to launch new brands etc. It is a question of perspectives and function. I am not by saying that belittling Scalfold but the two shows serve different purposes, roles and functions.
Is the Park Inn show perfect, no but I prefer it to Whittlebury. We have discussed all this before so lets not go round the roundabouts again ;) as we are more than likely not going to agree.
It would be nice to meet up Howard if you are going to be there.
Regards D S D L
Indeed, Neil. I'm just not that into new products, preferring other approaches from an SPPV perspective.
But it would be nice if you could make it to Scalford just once instead of ALWAYS being at the commercial shows (you do always seem to find the time for those)! ;)
And no, I won't stop nagging you until you get yer arse there and support the efforts of the AoS room :ner: :lol:
Next year, perhaps?
Marco.
Yes different functions Neil and due to that different vibes
Lodgesound
22-03-2011, 08:25
I'm there - hope to meet some of you...
I believe Arthur (from Funk) will be there, so say hello :)
Will do, Marco.
Not ANOTHER bloody Heathrow show :(
The audience is usually the same old ageing faces, the food and drink costs an arm, leg and more, the sound is usually crap and they STILL persist in doing these. Won't they ever learn?
Completely Agree old boy :)
Beobloke
22-03-2011, 09:41
I'll be there on the Saturday, hoping to find more good sounding rooms than at the 2010 event.......
Ammonite Audio
22-03-2011, 09:46
Not ANOTHER bloody Heathrow show
The audience is usually the same old ageing faces, the food and drink costs an arm, leg and more, the sound is usually crap and they STILL persist in doing these. Won't they ever learn?
Ah, but Chester Group state the following on their website:
Improved parking facilities: guaranteed you'll be able to park for just £1 per hour.
More budget priced Food and Beverage.
We shall see, of course. Whether "budget price" food and beverages are worth drinking and eating is going to be a moot point. I, for one, will be dining in McDonalds down the road, where at least a tolerable coffee is guaranteed.
I agree that these shows are generally disappointing. However, it's got to be better than the Bristol show, you usually hear a couple of gems that make it worth the trip, there are always interesting people to chat to and I need to feed my hi-fi show diet that I have kept up since the early Audio Fairs of my youth.
Hopefully will see a few AoS members there.
This 'Audio world' is just a rebadged high end show, that was pretty damn stale by the end of last year at best.
I mean an audio acution at a so called 'high end ' show, how crass can you get :rolleyes:
Have you noticed how many 'names' will be absent this year?, also take into account the entrance area that used to house the 'big rooms and blue sound booths will also not be used!
It will be just the corridors and the 'older conference sections'
If people truly wish to hear quality equipment why on earth would you wish to listen a room full of people you do not know?, with music you would not normally listen too, at a volume level you would not use.
In a space that is hot and usually full of people who have not used a bar of soap in for a while?
Now meeting up with a few friends, having a beer and admiring equipment you have not seen before yes I can see that one working :)
Call me cynical maybe, but until some one truly understands how 'audio shows' should be run, that has the ability to bring in a WIDE and differing audience, attract the BIG names to exhibit, cater for familes and have activities outside audio, then sadly the decline of the UK hifi shows will continue. on its downward slope.
Other wise its the same old stuff just turned over with the exception of a couple of rooms who make the effort each show.
Just a couple of abservations
Beobloke
22-03-2011, 10:55
I, for one, will be dining in McDonalds down the road, where at least a tolerable coffee is guaranteed.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The only thing tolerable in McDonalds are their toilets!
chris@panteg
22-03-2011, 11:07
Are you a toilet trader then Adam :eyebrows:
Sorry just my bad , didn't mean nothing by it .
This 'Audio world' is just a rebadged high end show, that was pretty damn stale by the end of last year at best.
I do agree with the sentiment, but you are panning one of the few opportunities provided to actually hear equipment we would never otherwise hear. I have shortlisted equipment in the past based on what I've heard at shows, then gone on to dealers to have a proper listen.
Cutting that out means what? Visiting a dealer offering limited brands on the off-chance that we might hear what we're looking for? I'm sure you would not appreciate the wasted time - surely better to do our homework and go for a demo having done some research?
Ammonite Audio
22-03-2011, 11:46
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The only thing tolerable in McDonalds are their toilets!
I guarantee that a coffee in McDonalds will be more tolerable than one from the Park! I'll even offer to buy you one (in McDonalds) to prove it!
I do agree with the sentiment, but you are panning one of the few opportunities provided to actually hear equipment we would never otherwise hear. I have shortlisted equipment in the past based on what I've heard at shows, then gone on to dealers to have a proper listen.
Cutting that out means what? Visiting a dealer offering limited brands on the off-chance that we might hear what we're looking for? I'm sure you would not appreciate the wasted time - surely better to do our homework and go for a demo having done some research?
Good point, Martin.
However, Tony's right in that if manufacturer/dealer hi-fi shows are to succeed in future (or even have a future?) and attract a much younger audience, and families, even, (i.e. 'real' people) the whole format needs revamping from top to bottom :)
Such shows these days are mainly full of time-wasting, fetid, sad old duffers with a fetish for collecting leaflets...!! :mental:
Marco.
Beobloke
22-03-2011, 12:52
I guarantee that a coffee in McDonalds will be more tolerable than one from the Park! I'll even offer to buy you one (in McDonalds) to prove it!
I don't know - the hotel's cappucino was quite passable last year, I thought!
Mind you, I will grant you that as McDonalds coffee is Rainforest Alliance rather than Fairtrade, that automatically guarantees that it will taste infinitely better than that of most high street coffee chains.
Such shows these days are mainly full of time-wasting, fetid, sad old duffers with a fetish for collecting leaflets...!!
Oi -that would be me you're talking about, apart from the 'old' and 'fetid' bits, anyway.... :(
That's why I said "mainly". You're fairly normal, and as far as I know, even still have your own teeth, and a bath at least once a month!! :lol: ;)
Marco.
the whole format needs revamping from top to bottom :)
Agreed, but I doubt it would happen because of the 10-second attention span yoof who don't want to just sit and listen to music. Therefore, sad old duffers dominate :)
I'm not talking necessarily about "yoof" (under 21s) - rather that it would be nice if the average age of attendees was, say, 25, (or even 35) instead of 65!! ;)
[Realistically, it's more like 55].
Marco.
Oiffffffff ffs………
Hang on….
That’s better, got me teef in now :doh:
Oi! Less of the mature enthusiast knocking if you don’t mind young’un
Now when I was selling Hi Fi back in the 60’s, erm, or was it the 70’s?
Anyway I distinctly remember the sound of errr, what was it now :scratch:
Oh yes, THE BEATLES! Oh arr, rough lot they were.
Of course I don’t listen to that stuff now; good lord no, jazz and classical for me now and never after 8pm unless nurse says its okay and Mr Turnthatbloodracketdown has taken his hearing aid out for the night.
Oh arr, HI Fi shows, full of tradsmen aren’t they? Ghastly chaps.
Nurse!………time for my meds and a grope what ;)
Beobloke
22-03-2011, 13:53
You're fairly normal
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me in a long time!
*sniff* :(
:lolsign:
Well if I'd missed out the "fairly" bit - now *that* would've been insulting and something to worry about!!
Marco.
When I used to go to hi-fi shows twenty years ago (as opposed to the ones I go to these days), there were NO young people in attendance (unless with their fathers) and NO women. The truth is that the demographic of hi-fi shows hasn't changed very much - if anything it has grown slightly broader.
Yup, Mark, but to be fair I have seen some women recently at hi-fi shows, and there were a few at Scalford Hall, so perhaps there's some hope? :)
However, I'm still concerned that future shows are more likely to be sponsored by Tena for Men, than The Chester Group... :eyebrows:
Sorry, John (nursey will be along to administer that bed bath shortly, and also some 'extras', if you're lucky!) ;)
Marco.
In case anyone doesn't realise, you can print your concession ticket here:
http://www.chestergroup.org/index.php?option=com_chronocontact&Itemid=52
Yup, Mark, but to be fair I have seen some women recently at hi-fi shows, and there were a few at Scalford Hall, so perhaps there's some hope? :)
However, I'm still concerned that future shows are more likely to be sponsored by Tena for Men, than The Chester Group... :eyebrows:
Sorry, John (nursey will be along to administer that bed bath shortly, and also some 'extras', if you're lucky!) ;)
Marco.
Yeah, that's what I mean - there are definitely more young people (other than myself) and the occasional woman at hi-fi shows these days (than in the past).
Spectral Morn
24-03-2011, 18:26
So what time are we meeting at the bar and which bar? I think the blue conference centre is not being used at this show.
Regards D S D L
There seems to be only the Pulse Cafe/Bar on the ground floor. How about 2pm, giving us plenty of time to look around first?
And don't let Neil steal your lunch! :lol: ;)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
25-03-2011, 00:17
There seems to be only the Pulse Cafe/Bar on the ground floor. How about 2pm, giving us plenty of time to look around first?
That sounds great Martin see you there at 2 O'clock front entrance. Look at AIHFA about us page for what I look like.
Regards D S D L
Spectral Morn
25-03-2011, 00:18
And don't let Neil steal your lunch! :lol: ;)
Marco.
You offered it to me as I recall old chap :lol::lol::lol:
Regards D S D L
You offered it to me as I recall old chap :lol::lol::lol:
Regards D S D L
Yes, I was there and can testify that Marco did indeed offer you the opportunity to finish his lunch. :)
Regards
You offered it to me as I recall old chap :lol::lol::lol:
Yesh, but you said you'd exterminate me if I didn't, so I had no choice but to obey, particularly if I wanted to see the rest of the show.... :( :eyebrows:
Marco.
I do agree with the sentiment, but you are panning one of the few opportunities provided to actually hear equipment we would never otherwise hear. I have shortlisted equipment in the past based on what I've heard at shows, then gone on to dealers to have a proper listen.
Cutting that out means what? Visiting a dealer offering limited brands on the off-chance that we might hear what we're looking for? I'm sure you would not appreciate the wasted time - surely better to do our homework and go for a demo having done some research?
Hi Martin,
Thank you for your thoughts
Let’s look at the figures, last year Heathrow show realistically attracted 7-800 visitors absolutely maximum. Despite what anyone may say, at the end of the show (Heathrow) one of the employee's of the organisers (now on sabbatical) approached us (along with a good few others) during the Sunday and was pretty apathetical about the whole event, his words (this might be the last time this show is run) this after the Organiser at Manchester show last year (2010) informing me at 3.30pm on the Sunday 'Well kid it's had a good run here, time to call it a day'.
Being straight here, the VAST majority who visited the show last were the same faces from just about all the other shows, very few genuinely new people.
The 'seasoned' show goes were more about meeting up with other friends and weighing up which room was fit for forum slaughter: lol:
All joking aside how many exhibitors made direct repeatable sales as a result of genuine show enquires and follow ups.
I suspect they can be counted on two hands.
Now do you really feel that listening in a hotel room / conference suite/area give you a TRUE indication of what the equipment you wish to possible hear will sound like?
In the last 6 years I have seriously only heard possibly four rooms that would have made myself think 'Now that’s something different' I wish to investigate this further, maybe that just me Martin.
This is a better the devil you know mentality than actively seeking a genuine alternative.
At Munich its a very different story, active distributors/ retailers lots of new and interesting products, lots of a space and layout, a great vibe to the show. Plus the biggest difference is the German audiophile, he/she actually buys equipment, has greater choice, does not bitch about getting the product for £50 cheaper because Joe Bloggs audio who stocks nothing and just ships direct from the distributors warehouse will shave off a couple of more points off the price that the 4 page a month a per magazine advertisers favourite will :eyebrows:
Now granted they have more shops and greater choice, that is because the manufactures actually back/help their dealers and the German hifi guys actually buy products which then enables dealers to reinvest in new products for you guys to actual see/hear/touch.
In this country however a very different story, the amount of 'hifi' buyers to dealers is disproportionate, on the whole UK hifi buyers are of a very different mind sent.
A lot of manufacturers are in the UK for one reason only the UK press, which if you seriously think about is quite ironic, as the UK attributes for a very small percentage of worldwide sales, it’s the Kudos they seek nothing more.
This weekend’s show and auction, you pay to get in, you pay for the parking, you pay another £5 for the auction catalogue which you need to enter the auction!
Until a decent well organised and thought out show that will attached ALL types of music lovers to attend then you will find that more and more of the large distributors and dealers will be absent from these types of event.
BTH K10A
25-03-2011, 21:59
I have shortlisted equipment in the past based on what I've heard at shows, then gone on to dealers to have a proper listen.
Martin, I've decided to go tomorrow for exactly that reason. Looking at the list of exibitors, there is some kit there I would like to at least be able to listen to on the same day. Although it may not be in the best acoustic environment it's better than hearing products weeks apart and trying to make an objective comparison.
Andy
Neil McCauley
25-03-2011, 22:43
Hi Martin,
Thank you for your thoughts
Let’s look at the figures, last year Heathrow show realistically attracted 7-800 visitors absolutely maximum. Despite what anyone may say, at the end of the show (Heathrow) one of the employee's of the organisers (now on sabbatical) approached us (along with a good few others) during the Sunday and was pretty apathetical about the whole event, his words (this might be the last time this show is run) this after the Organiser at Manchester show last year (2010) informing me at 3.30pm on the Sunday 'Well kid it's had a good run here, time to call it a day'.
Being straight here, the VAST majority who visited the show last were the same faces from just about all the other shows, very few genuinely new people.
The 'seasoned' show goes were more about meeting up with other friends and weighing up which room was fit for forum slaughter: lol:
All joking aside how many exhibitors made direct repeatable sales as a result of genuine show enquires and follow ups.
I suspect they can be counted on two hands.
Now do you really feel that listening in a hotel room / conference suite/area give you a TRUE indication of what the equipment you wish to possible hear will sound like?
In the last 6 years I have seriously only heard possibly four rooms that would have made myself think 'Now that’s something different' I wish to investigate this further, maybe that just me Martin.
This is a better the devil you know mentality than actively seeking a genuine alternative.
At Munich its a very different story, active distributors/ retailers lots of new and interesting products, lots of a space and layout, a great vibe to the show. Plus the biggest difference is the German audiophile, he/she actually buys equipment, has greater choice, does not bitch about getting the product for £50 cheaper because Joe Bloggs audio who stocks nothing and just ships direct from the distributors warehouse will shave off a couple of more points off the price that the 4 page a month a per magazine advertisers favourite will :eyebrows:
Now granted they have more shops and greater choice, that is because the manufactures actually back/help their dealers and the German hifi guys actually buy products which then enables dealers to reinvest in new products for you guys to actual see/hear/touch.
In this country however a very different story, the amount of 'hifi' buyers to dealers is disproportionate, on the whole UK hifi buyers are of a very different mind sent.
A lot of manufacturers are in the UK for one reason only the UK press, which if you seriously think about is quite ironic, as the UK attributes for a very small percentage of worldwide sales, it’s the Kudos they seek nothing more.
This weekend’s show and auction, you pay to get in, you pay for the parking, you pay another £5 for the auction catalogue which you need to enter the auction!
Until a decent well organised and thought out show that will attached ALL types of music lovers to attend then you will find that more and more of the large distributors and dealers will be absent from these types of event.
A fine and in my experience spot-on analysis Mr C. Munich is THE benchmark. They do have an ace up their sleeve. They have a purpose-built venue – and damn good Bratwurst of course.
BTH K10A
26-03-2011, 19:55
Went to the show today and heard some good sounds.
For me, three rooms stood out.
The Right Note with their Vivace speakers and VTL amps produced a very wide and deep soundstage.
The Select Audio / AMR room. I was quite impressed with the AM-77 Valve CD player and AM-777 CD /digital processor. Speakers were good too.
Howes acoustics. Single ended PX4 & PX25 amps to die for and a modern take on the voigt corner horn. Lowther based speakers are not usually my cup of tea but I have to admit these were good, better than other modern Lowther's I've heard, albeit ultimately limited in the frequency extremes as Lowthers are wont to be.
No affilliation to any of the above
I thought the use of conference rooms, whilst not perfect, is much better than the hotel bedrooms of yore.
The only downer was Audio Note. I have been looking to buy a low power 45 / 2A3 SET. Enquired about the amp they make and they couldn't be bothered. Told me to go look it up on their website. With that attitude I think I'll look elsewhere.
All in all though, I had a very pleasant morning. :)
Andy
The show was small but far better than the Bristol show. I heard some good sounds and there were few truly bad rooms. Met up with Shuggie (Hugo) and we went round some of the show together and had a beer in the Pulse bar. Sadly we didn't spot any other AoS members despite being in the bar for most of an hour.
Photos tomorrow once I've uploaded the contents of my camera.
.... and a modern take on the Voigt corner horn. Lowther based speakers are not usually my cup of tea but I have to admit these were good, better than other modern Lowther's I've heard, albeit ultimately limited in the frequency extremes as Lowthers are wont to be.
I was very disapointed with Howes's 'Voigt corner horn' design. Having the conical reflector above an upward firing driver, meant there was no focus to the sound. Singer's voices just appeared out of the aether - disembodied mouths that were not particularly fixed. Voigt's designs were strictly meant to be placed in a corner. The speakers I heard were positioned near a corner, but not in it.
Perhaps the pair you heard were better positioned?
Regards
BTH K10A
26-03-2011, 20:50
I was very disapointed with Howes's 'Voigt corner horn' design. Having the conical reflector above an upward firing driver, meant there was no focus to the sound. Singer's voices just appeared out of the aether - disembodied mouths that were not particularly fixed. Voigt's designs were strictly meant to be placed in a corner. The speakers I heard were positioned near a corner, but not in it.
Perhaps the pair you heard were better positioned?
Regards
I had the same thoughts when I heard them in the foyer at the Tonbridge audiojumble, they were nowhere near any corners. The placement today was much better and so was the imaging. The soundstage was akin to that produced by the Sonab OA4's I had many years ago. I think the driver arangement and reflector gives a different type of presentation somwhere between that of a traditional forward firing speaker and an omnidirectional one. It certainly has a wider dispersion than most and I did not notice a hotspot effect.
Glad you guys had a good time :)
The London show is always much better in terms of the diversity of the equipment demonstrated, where smaller, more specialist, companies tend to exhibit, so one is spared the monotonous 'same old, same old' bullshite from the usual suspects, and the mainstream pish at Bristol, reserved for dweebs with zero imagination.
If it wasn't such a long drive in a day to London and back, I would've gone :cool:
I'm not surprised that John Howes was making some nice sounds - he's a top bloke and knows exactly what he's doing.
Marco.
Ammonite Audio
26-03-2011, 22:33
There were very few really awful sounds; and even those are a matter of personal taste. I do agree that the Right Note room deserves the "Best of Show' award - those Kaiser speakers are just lovely looking and sounding things (shame that they cost £30k!). Vertex AQ had their new DAC in there and I have to say that it seems to live up to their hype. Overall, a really lovely, natural, free-breathing and freely musical sound.
Second best for me goes to the MIT cable room, which had some elegant little floorstanding speakers by Audium (anyone ever heard of them?), fed from a music server PC. They were producing a rather nice sound, perhaps limited in overall scale, but methinks nevertheless very suitable indeed for smaller rooms or where lower listening volumes are required (eg in normal British houses).
Martin and I agreed that the smaller scale of the show worked well. Let's hope that the economics work well too and this show can carry on. It's one of the few opportunities that I have in this area to browse a large selection of vinyl.
I went with my family, as usual car parking was entertaining and as expected the show was quite a bit smaller than usual. My vote for best room is for Deco Audio and the Music First/Howes room. My oldest boy who happens to be ten, votes for the Right Note room though I had to dig my wife out from the quad esl's. Still a good day out for what is really my local show.
Was there anything there that people may actually go out and "buy?"
I went with my family, as usual car parking was entertaining
Indeed, Fred (it's a freakin' nightmare!!), which is one of the reasons why I much prefer the Whittlebury Hall show, because if you arrive early enough, you can park almost right outside the entrance! ;)
The food's better, too, as is the location. The part of London where the Park Inn is located is totally dull and non-descript. Mind you, I'm not a fan of any big cities, preferring the wide-open fields and fresh air of a countryside location :)
Have you been to the Whittlebury Hall show? If not, you should, as in my view, overall it's a far nicer experience.
Marco.
Ammonite Audio
27-03-2011, 11:28
Whittlebury Hall sits in some sort of local Black Hole that sucks in all radio and mobile telephone signals. Other than that, I agree it's a good venue, with some really nice big rooms. Parking at Heathrow is pain-free if you don't mind walking a few minutes to the Park Inn.
Was there anything there that people may actually go out and "buy?"
If I had £30k, then a firm 'yes' to those Kaiser speakers. Don't forget that many of us go there to meet friends and to browse the music. I came away with a good selection of LPs, all of which turned out to be good (for a change). I was very lucky to pick up a mint 2nd hand copy of BB King's "Live at the Regal".
Whittlebury Hall sits in some sort of local Black Hole that sucks in all radio and mobile telephone signals. Other than that, I agree it's a good venue, with some really nice big rooms. Parking at Heathrow is pain-free if you don't mind walking a few minutes to the Park Inn.
...which is fine, mate, if you don't have a bad back or are disabled. After having a spinal tumour removed a few years ago, it has left me with a partial lack of mobility, which makes walking any distance (or standing for any length of time) not the most pleasurable experience :(
Last time I went to the Park Inn, I couldn't get near the hotel entrance with the car, so had to walk, like you say, which wasn't exactly ideal. The disabled parking spaces were of course reserved for those who really need them.
That's why Whittlebury Hall is so much better, as the parking facilities (if you get there early enough) are superb - and for me, it's much nearer home!
Marco.
Ammonite Audio
27-03-2011, 11:46
That's why Whittlebury Hall is so much better, as the parking facilities (if you get there early enough) are superb - and for me, it's much nearer home!
Marco.
The parking at Whittlebury Hall is fine if you don't get stuck in the muddy field! The first year I parked on teh main car park - last year we were directed to the field at the back.
BTH K10A
27-03-2011, 12:31
Glad you guys had a good time :)
I'm not surprised that John Howes was making some nice sounds - he's a top bloke and knows exactly what he's doing.
Marco.
When I first went into The Howes Acoustics room I was more interested in the amps. Whilst talking to John he asked me what I thought of the speakers. I wasn't really paying them any attention and based on when I heard them in Tonbridge I said "they arn't really my thing" Later when doing a last round just before leaving I actually had a good listen. There was an obvious synergy with the PX4 SET's that were driving them and I think John has engineered a Lowther based speaker that I think betters other similar speakers I've heard.
No worries, Andy. I admire John's designs and his overall approach with audio. Did you see the feature on his system a few months back in HFN? Some of the vintage gear he's got is awesome! :eek:
Hugo,
The parking at Whittlebury Hall is fine if you don't get stuck in the muddy field! The first year I parked on teh main car park - last year we were directed to the field at the back.
As long as you get there early enough (within the first hour of the show opening), you'll be directed to the main hotel car park. I then park as close as I can to the entrance. They use the muddy field for the overspill, once the main car park is full.
I usually arrive for bang on 10am, so haven't had a problem yet. And if you do that, you get first dibs on the vinyl for sale before all that's left later is the shite - and it's quieter too, before the rabble arrive! ;)
Arriving the night before, and staying over, is even better.
Marco.
Neil McCauley
27-03-2011, 13:13
I was very lucky to pick up a mint 2nd hand copy of BB King's "Live at the Regal".
Hello Hugo. By coincidence, this was on BBC Radio 4 yesterday. A 30 min docu on this very recording.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00zq9m8/For_One_Night_Only_Series_6_BB_King_Live_at_the_Re gal
Ammonite Audio
27-03-2011, 13:18
Hello Hugo. By coincidence, this was on BBC Radio 4 yesterday. A 30 min docu on this very recording.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00zq9m8/For_One_Night_Only_Series_6_BB_King_Live_at_the_Re gal
It was no coincidence - I was listening to the programme on the radio on the way to Heathrow, so I thought it must be worth seeking out. It was!
I broke my Whittlebury duck last year, It took my about six months to get out of that maze of corridors. I agree it is a bigger show but last year was a bit of a focal fest and even though I use them through choice it is nice to hear other things. Though I could have made good friends with Avantguarde horns that were there.
The vinyl was good at both show though even if my turntable is off line due to the attention of my youngest whilst the insurance sorts things out. It was covered under a separate arrangement but they don't like the current price of a vdh frog.
Loved the John Howes Room,I wish those Quad IIs were plugged in! One of the best horn sounds I've heard, good treble and very good, tuneful bass.
Was surprised at so many red book CD front ends, and did anyone else
notice that very few people used spikes under their racks and stands?
Loved Lars' dem as usual and even though I didn't like the speakers used,
I was tricked into buying some Nordost Solt Kones (the cheap ones)
and they are wonderful, so nerr.
Usual crap music, but people seemed friendlier and more likely to
put customers music on which was cool.
With about another 10 rooms and in Central London or anywhere than Heathrow and it could be a great show.
Did anyone get their free fuse? thought that was bit of a con.
Usual crap music, but people seemed friendlier and more likely to put customers music on which was cool.
Yes, some rooms seemed to put on music calculated to drive people away, but quite a few show-goers brought their own music and they were generally nice to listen to.
Did anyone get their free fuse? thought that was bit of a con.
Yes, Hugo and I both claimed ours. Why con?
As an aside, I use Russ Andrews fuses in all my plugs and they do make a worthwhile (small) improvement.
BTH K10A
27-03-2011, 15:45
Did anyone get their free fuse? thought that was bit of a con.
Yep, told my wife I brought her back a gold, silver and ceramic present from the show. :)
Ammonite Audio
27-03-2011, 16:27
Loved the John Howes Room,I wish those Quad IIs were plugged in! One of the best horn sounds I've heard, good treble and very good, tuneful bass.
Yes it was quite tuneful bass, until he put on a CD with a bit of drive, dynamics and boogie, at which point the speakers just fell to bits. Sorry, but that's how I heard it.
Yes it was quite tuneful bass, until he put on a CD with a bit of drive, dynamics and boogie, at which point the speakers just fell to bits. Sorry, but that's how I heard it.
I put on New Frontier from Night Fly and it grooved.
By fuse con. I mean they ran out, not that uber-fuses don't work.
They advertised a free fuse, it should have been given out at the entrance.
Anyone else catch the Nordost Sort Kone dem?
These Raidho Acoustics speakers (the smallest in the range) with their ribbon tweeter made a very impressive sound with holographic imaging. The designer put a section of Faure's Requiem on and the overall sense of immersion was superb.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000155.jpg
The Raidhos were driven by very nice Bel Canto CD2 and C5i electronics into Nordost Leif cables.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000156.jpg
British made JoSound speakers were highly unusual tramsmission lines venting at the top rear and made of bamboo. The rather lovely table was custom made by them from the same material. Driven by a Sony laptop with Fubar software, HiFace interface and Musical Fidelity electronics. The soundstage was huge and, although slightly coloured and lacking in very deep bass, they made music that you could just relax and listen to.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000157.jpg
Sound Fowndations were demonstrating Isotek, Furutech and Blue Horizon power cables and filter products. Here their chappie was demonstrating a simple swap from standard black power cables to a couple of Furutechs. Anyone who doesn't believe power cables can make a difference should have been there. QED.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000158.jpg
Diverse Vinyl and Stamford Audio were doing brisk trade with lots of interest in LPs. I helped myself to a few, too.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000159.jpg
Reid Malenfant
27-03-2011, 19:04
Nice pics Martin, thanks for sharing :) I do like the simple elegance of the first speakers you have a picture of, however these caught my eye ;)
British made JoSound speakers were highly unusual tramsmission lines venting at the top rear and made of bamboo. The rather lovely table was custom made by them from the same material. Driven by a Sony laptop with Fubar software, HiFace interface and Musical Fidelity electronics. The soundstage was huge and, although slightly coloured and lacking in very deep bass, they made music that you could just relax and listen to.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000157.jpg
Now that's what i call sustainable wood, or should that be grass :eyebrows: Yes, grass it is & it can grow up to a foot or more a day :eek:
Nice pics, Martin - keep 'em coming :)
Sound Fowndations were demonstrating Isotek, Furutech and Blue Horizon power cables and filter products. Here their chappie was demonstrating a simple swap from standard black power cables to a couple of Furutechs. Anyone who doesn't believe power cables can make a difference should have been there.
Indeed. Why do you think I use their top-of-the-range connectors on all of my power cables? ;)
Marco.
In the Angelsound room, some new Hart Audio single driver speakers were being driven from VTL electronics. They were not really my cup of tea but I could hear what others liked in them. I could not identify the driver. Tannoy?
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000160.jpg
Audio Note speakers and electronics being driven from a Nottingham Analogue deck and very nice sounding CEC CD player. I think I just don't like single ended valve amps, much as I try to hear what others enthuse over. To me, the scale of the music was small and that meant it only suited certain kinds of music.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000161.jpg
More Audio Note, this room sounding somewhat more successful. The new tonearm was being demonstrated but the AN branded deck looked like it had been through the wars.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000162.jpg
New Revolver Audio Cygnis Gold speakers driven from Audion Golden Dreams. Lovely looking room but the sound did nothing for me at all. Possibly the most disappointing room for potential versus actual sound.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000163.jpg
Small Amphion speakers being driven from an iPod docked in Wadia 1 series PowerDAC Mini. Surprisingly good, but could the average student or one-bed resident afford it?
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000164.jpg
These Analogue Alchemy open baffle speakers just didn't work in the room. They sounded full of potential but the bass was recessed. The Shanling CD player looked gorgeous. Arcam electronics.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000165.jpg
They were not really my cup of tea but I could hear what others liked in them. I could not identify the driver. Tannoy?
Definitely Tannoy DCs of some description, but not sure which ones... Possibly HPD types. They're hell of a low to the ground, though. Did you have to kneel down to listen to them! ;)
New Revolver Audio Cygnis Gold speakers driven from Audion Golden Dreams. Lovely looking room but the sound did nothing for me at all. Possibly the most disappointing room for potential versus actual sound.
Interesting... I've always liked the look of the Cygnis. Could you describe what you heard in more detail?
Marco.
The MIT room were using rather good Audium speakers driven from unidentified electronics. These had good drive and a rather nice sound which made better use of the room than some larger speakers at the show.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000166.jpg
Howes Audio single-ended amps and horn speakers. I'm afraid again that single-ended was not to my taste and the speakers sounded defocussed and anaemic.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000167.jpg
Quad ESL63s sounding superb, as usual, driven from a Revox tape deck and Music First amplification. Fabulous, effortless sound. If I could cope with the limited power envelope, I could easily live with this system.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000168.jpg
New Art Audio Conductor amps driven by PS Audio PerfectWave Player and DAC. I can't remember what speakers these are. At one point, the AA chap swapped out the power valves and the subsequent sound improved with better definition and deeper soundstage. I don't think I've ever seen such a quick swap of bl**dy hot valves before!
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000169.jpg
Densen electronics driving Focal speakers via Tellurium cables. Not a bad sound, the Densens managed to tame the brightness that these Focals tend towards.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000170.jpg
Finally, and best sound of the show (as they should be at £22-30k depending on finish), were these German Kaiser Kawero Vivace speakers. Fantastic, fast, detailed sound with huge definition, transient edges and soundstage. Driven from Accustic Arts CD transport, Vertex Aletheia DAC.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000171.jpg
Have you ever seen a crossover like this (from the Kaiser speakers)? I could barely pick it up. The German designer enthused about the design ethic and, although mightly expensive, I got the idea that you would receive a serious product for your money.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000172.jpg
Interesting... I've always liked the look of the Cygnis. Could you describe what you heard in more detail?
The room was definitely too small for them. They were sounding inoffensive but not particularly detailed or dynamic, then some deep bass came in and they fell apart with flabby waves of 'loaded up room' pressure. I couldn't even hear anything magical with just voice playing, to be honest.
I don't think the amps were helping at all. These speakers sounded like they need a Krell or a Chord to give them some much-needed control.
Indeed... Or a TD Copper amp ;)
That's the problem with a lot of so-called 'hi-end' commercial valve amps, especially SE ones: they're as soft as a marshmallow and totally lacking in 'balls'! Most of the money will have been spent on making them look pretty, and so no wonder folk think that's the way valve amps intrinsically sound when they hear demos like that at a hi-fi show.... :doh: :rolleyes:
Thank goodness we've got the Scalford Hall show to use to redress the balance and show people what valve amps actually sound like that are designed properly!!
Marco.
Spectral Morn
27-03-2011, 21:00
The show was small but far better than the Bristol show. I heard some good sounds and there were few truly bad rooms. Met up with Shuggie (Hugo) and we went round some of the show together and had a beer in the Pulse bar. Sadly we didn't spot any other AoS members despite being in the bar for most of an hour.
Photos tomorrow once I've uploaded the contents of my camera.
Because you were to meet us outside Bravo Bravo :doh: and then go to the bar. I sat for quite awhile and gave up going back to trudging the corridors looking for interesting items.
Regards D S D L
There seems to be only the Pulse Cafe/Bar on the ground floor. How about 2pm, giving us plenty of time to look around first?
Erm no, the above is the only message we agreed on for rendezvous. Never mind, I'm sure we'll meet up soon.
BTH K10A
27-03-2011, 21:06
Finally, and best sound of the show (as they should be at £22-30k depending on finish), were these German Kaiser Kawero Vivace speakers. Fantastic, fast, detailed sound with huge definition, transient edges and soundstage. Driven from Accustic Arts CD transport, Vertex Aletheia DAC.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000171.jpg
Have you ever seen a crossover like this (from the Kaiser speakers)? I could barely pick it up. The German designer enthused about the design ethic and, although mightly expensive, I got the idea that you would receive a serious product for your money.
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Audio11/P1000172.jpg
The whole set up was very good. The psychoacoustic principles behind the design and implementation certainly works.
So the designer of the Kaisers had you lifting that crossover too. :lol:
Beobloke
28-03-2011, 10:48
I went along on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Although small, I thought there were some very nice sounds and sights on display. My personal favourite was the Acoustic Signature/AstinTrew/DSS room but there were many praiseworthy sounds to hear.
I also had a very interesting chat with a turntable designer there and one of his upcoming products sounds VERY interesting indeed, and might cause a few industry ripples! :eyebrows:
By the way, how did the auction go on Sunday? I left a proxy bid on one item but haven't heard anything yet...
So the designer of the Kaisers had you lifting that crossover too. :lol:
Oh yes, he was really proud of its build quality so I felt compelled to please him by making a good show of nearly dropping it :)
I also had a very interesting chat with a turntable designer there and one of his upcoming products sounds VERY interesting indeed, and might cause a few industry ripples! :eyebrows:
AK, per chance? I've also had a very similar chat with him ;)
I think you're right on both accounts!
Marco.
Beobloke
28-03-2011, 13:31
AK, per chance?
No. ;)
Aha! Lol... Well, AK's also got some pretty interesting products in the pipeline which might cause a few industry ripples, so that'll be a double whammy...!! :eyebrows:
Marco.
Spectral Morn
28-03-2011, 15:01
I suspect its the company with Clearaudio looking turntables (Analogue Alchemy)who had no info in their room and were not prepared to say much about the products. It is they who we are talking about here. "Email me" imho is not what you need at a show as a response to simple questions about the products. I will try to obtain what i can for my report on the room but the gentleman in question was very tight lipped about what they were doing and how. All the turntables are hand made though so not 'an available from stock item'. He also indicated that whether these go to market at all will depend on whether people like them or not. Knowing the price though imho is one factor in making that decision thus not knowing was/is a bit of a handicap. Though one can guess that they are not going to be cheap.
I expect in fact feel as a bare minimum that an exhibitor should have a detailed list of what they are exhibiting + prices. Its not always possible to talk with exhibitors as they can be tied up in conversations for long periods of time. I myself had to try 7 times to talk to one particular gentleman. I had agreed to meet him so was focussed on talking with him but I can see many average joe's just giving up.
I also feel that having sufficient product info sheets etc is also vital but hey that's just what I think.
Regards D S D L
Neil McCauley
28-03-2011, 16:24
I expect in fact feel as a bare minimum that an exhibitor should have a detailed list of what they are exhibiting + prices. Its not always possible to talk with exhibitors as they can be tied up in conversations for long periods of time. I myself had to try 7 times to talk to one particular gentleman. I had agreed to meet him so was focussed on talking with him but I can see many average joe's just giving up.
I also feel that having sufficient product info sheets etc is also vital but hey that's just what I think.
I agree 100%. When Subjective Audio were exhibiting at The Cunard (Hammersmith) and latterly at the Heathrow Penta and so on, we used to bring what seemed like vast amounts. We NEVER got it right. Either we ran out on the Saturday or filled up a few bin bags on the Sunday.
Finally, when I was presenting Podium speakers at both Heathrow and Manchester I paid for A0 sized posters mounted on GatorFoam boards with the prices, availability, finishes, specifications, web site and ancilliary equipment, etc. It didn't cut down on the questions but it certainly made the questions that were asked far more interesting. It was 30 quid well-spent.
Aha! Lol... Well, AK's also got some pretty interesting products in the pipeline which might cause a few industry ripples, so that'll be a double whammy...!! :eyebrows:
Marco.
If AK's much modified Rega cost is anything to go by, he'll want a goodly pound of flesh for his new products too, sadly..
Thank heavens the Jelco arms are still affordable ;)
I suspect its the company with Clearaudio looking turntables (Analogue Alchemy)who had no info in their room and were not prepared to say much about the products.
When I was there the deck had no arm and one of the chaps was preparing (it seemed) to mount one. Not professional to attempt to do that while exhibiting. I never returned to see whether they got it working.
Spectral Morn
28-03-2011, 19:41
When I was there the deck had no arm and one of the chaps was preparing (it seemed) to mount one. Not professional to attempt to do that while exhibiting. I never returned to see whether they got it working.
Not on the day of the exhibition no, unless something went wrong. I remember a few years ago one exhibitors cries of horror when a Graham phantom arm ended up broke :doh::eek::(
Regards D S D L
Analogue Alchemy
01-04-2011, 14:33
Dear DSDL and all other members.
Firstly, we want to thank you for popping into our room at the Audio Show’11. Secondly, we want to apologise for inconvenience with the information on the turntables and speakers we were exhibiting at the Show. We could not put the prices and other info, in order not to jeopardise our negotiations with the distributors, as all manufacturers or makers always depend on them. Also, with regards to your comment on our hesitation of whether these go into production at all: at the moment we have 5 different models, each in 3 to 4 modifications, from basic to very advanced, in more, than 2 standard colour sequences. So, we simply wanted to make sure, that our choice is supported by the end users. That’s all. As soon as the final decisions are made, we shall update our website and inform the members as well.
I honestly do not remember anyone approaching to me 7 times, and I know for sure, I do not suffer from amnesia, but I can only apologise once again, if it happened, and can assure you, that there was nothing personal. Also, this was our first show and we are not as experienced, as many exhibitors were yet. Otherwise, you are absolutely right, and we shall try better to prepare ourselves for the National Audio Show in Whittlebury Hall, Northants. Hopefully we shall meet there in September.
Regards.
Analogue Alchemy team
Thank you for explaining that to us, Mark. Could you give us a little more info on the open baffle speakers you were demonstrating? I don't think the room was kind to them, but they sounded like they had real potential.
Oh, and please would you pop over to the Welcome area and introduce yourself as this is your first post? Many thanks!
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