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    Default Confronting your own realities...

    I've always wondered about how we as hi-fi enthusiasts or audiophiles (choose whichever you prefer) see ourselves. Ultimately, it should always be about music and good sound, and not the equipment for the equipment's sake. Trouble is, some people are more sincere about this than others and genuinely achieve that aim, whereas others might think they're sincere but are actually just kidding themselves on

    For example, I find *some*, and I stress SOME, so as not to upset everyone in that category, more obsessive D.I.Y-ers like that - they might think they're in it for the love of music, but often with their equipment they spend more time with the hood open fiddling and farting around, tweaking this and that, than sitting down listening to and enjoying the music it makes. I'd love to know the ratio of tweaking-to-music listening with some of these guys. However, if that's what 'does it' for them then fine; it's their money and their life, so good luck to them, but that definitely isn't for me.

    It's one of the reasons why I've never embraced D.I.Y audio to any great degree. Yes it has many very valuable benefits, and I understand why people enjoy it, but quite simply aside from my unquestionable 'hamfistedness' with a soldering iron, the temptation for constantly fiddling is just too great, and thus also the potential for taking your eye off the ball as to what it's meant to be about is even greater: enjoying recorded music in the home to the highest standard of fidelity... It's a bit like the chap you see next door who spends the greatest proportion of his time underneath the bonnet of his car than in the driving seat... What are these guys really - simply car mechanics enthusiasts or genuine car driving enthusiasts? The same parallels can be drawn I feel with hi-fi and music amongst audiophiles and hi-fi D.I.Y-ers.

    The other thing I would ask you to consider is this:

    How genuinely confident (and I stress the word) are you about your beliefs in hi-fi? Are you a staunchly objectivist testing and measurements boffin or an equally staunch subjectivist who trusts his or her ears implicitly - and most importantly given the thread title, do you become uncomfortable and defensive when someone of the opposite mindset robustly challenges your (often) ingrained beliefs and prejudices, or are you genuinely open-minded and always receptive to new ideas and willing to embrace change?

    And here's the clincher... Would you be willing to admit that you may have made some mistakes in arriving at your current beliefs and so realise that they perhaps need some updating or reassessing?

    Let's expose and confront our own realities. How do you honestly see yourself in this regard? Hence the title, let's do some introspection of our genuine hi-fi and music loving motives - and be as honest as possible!

    My belief is that in hi-fi some people are too stuck in their ways and also that others are kidding themselves on that music is more important than collecting or fiddling with the boxes. Discuss...

    Marco.
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    As well as those who spend more time under the bonnet than behind the wheel we have also the badge snobs who spend too much time with the chamois leather.

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    I have a hifi because I like music. I built some speakers because I believe other music lovers were and still are being conned. I made my speakers for £300. There is a company who build and sell the *exact* same design, albeit with a nice veneer and some blingy binding posts for $5500...who is being foolish here? DIY is the thinkers / doers way about things. Any fool can spend money on a flash hifi, it takes devotion to build one though...


    just my initial thoughts...

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    I think you are missing the point slightly here Steve. Marco was not slating DIYers. We are just raising the issue of folks in general who are into this hobby solely for the love of music (or not.)

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    Hi Marco,

    For me I'd say 50/50 when things are not 'quite right' if you see what I mean. When I'm happy with everything I tend not to do any fiddling at all, until of course, something else comes along that I feel the need to try.

    It's two hobbies rolled into one, and the DIY side of things has undoubtedly saved me a small fortune. I'd happily put my phono stage or amp up against any commercial offerings costing three to five times (probably more) what they've cost me. This makes me happy! SPPV and all that.


    Hi Steve,

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post
    As well as those who spend more time under the bonnet than behind the wheel we have also the badge snobs who spend too much time with the chamois leather.
    Cheers...
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    Mike,

    I was trying not to mix my metaphors. Badge snobs... Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post
    Think about it.
    Steve,

    I have... But don't see how it relates to this thread. So I asked!
    Shian7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post
    I think you are missing the point slightly here Steve. Marco was not slating DIYers. We are just raising the issue of folks in general who are into this hobby solely for the love of music (or not.)
    I know Marco is not trying to have a go at DIYers as he has heard the results of building things rather than buying them. Personally I have not built an amp (but I have modified one slightly) since it would probably cost as much to build one as I have spent already. Anyway, it is just a means to an end for me, whereas to others it may be more of a hobby, and for others it is simply a trinket or trophy.
    They swim... the mark of Satan is upon them. They must hang.


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    Hi Marco

    As for 'Confronting your own realities... ' I would rather stay in La La land where I belong .

    I genuinely enjoy listening to music, but my gear has evolved more along the lines that were dictated from either my disposable income at the time and the different types of gear I was exposed to along the way.

    I may go through periods of being analytical but that is usually when I have decisions to make, I normally find I very soon get back to listening to music and forget about the electrical bit in between source and ears.

    I also believe your mood very much dictates how you enjoy you music or the types you play at any one moment in time, or make decisions with regard to new or different purchases.

    Does that make any sense at all?? Quite possible not but I tried. I may post some more later. Just off to do a night shift, for how much longer I don't know.


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    Its hard to really be honest with ourselves sometimes
    To be quite honest I think everyone on this board has some degree of audiophile traits myself included and yes Marco yourself as well. I think the issue is when it becomes obsessive and it takes away our enjoyment of music. I think most people hear demostrate a passion for music
    For me I have a job that is quite stressful but can also be very rewarding going home and listening to music helps brings me back to me. Yet I think I have gone quite extreme in my hifi set up. But when I listen to music I do not think about my system (about two years ago I made that mistake for about 6 months and it something I never do again) I just enjoy the music. I have a very deep emotional connection to music and can experience this listening to my walkman, my system or even better still going to a good concert.
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