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    I seem to recall seeing Audio Note clone parts on some of the China/Hong Kong eBay sites.
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    The problem is with something like an an Ongaku is that all components, wiring and layout work in harmony with each other. This takes many many years of experience and tuning component choice and layout. It can't be replicated without keeping everything identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    The problem is with something like an an Ongaku is that all components, wiring and layout work in harmony with each other. This takes many many years of experience and tuning component choice and layout. It can't be replicated without keeping everything identical.
    Maybe, maybe not You can have fun trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    Yes probably. A friend on another forum built an Ongaku clone.
    who?

    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I seem to recall seeing Audio Note clone parts on some of the China/Hong Kong eBay sites.
    Hmmmmmmm...... I don't think I would go down that route, I would probably rely on the experience of others for component selection.
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    It's like giving me all of the ingredients for a curry and wondering why the one cooked by the master curry chef tastes so much better, or changing the ingredients and wondering why it tastes different.
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    If you can know what the circuit and components are you should be able to calculate the specs of the transformers (unless they are available on the web already, but you may want to double check anyway). I would guess that you would get the transformers made by Sowter or similar rather than buying some off the shelf ones?

    Unless you are planning on using identical components you are going to have a different sounding amplifier but IMO I don't see anything wrong with adding your own little twist.

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    If you have never built a valve amp before I would suggest that something as expensive as this is not a good place to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    If you have never built a valve amp before I would suggest that something as expensive as this is not a good place to start.
    Thats ok I'm not building it.
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    You could argue that audio note uk produces a different ongaku to audio note japan but they still claim to be the same thing. They also sound very different. So what! It's how I find the sound that's important.
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    VALVE
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    It's not difficult to build one of Audionotes kits.
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