As it was me who originally made "the cancer comment" I'll point out it was aimed at those who would vote Tory EVEN knowing that hundreds or thousands would likely commit suicide due to cuts in benefits and medical care, losing their social housing etc, AND still couldn't care less about the fate of such people. If such people can callously come the "I'm alright Jack, fuck you if you're poorer than me, I'll be alright cos I can afford private heath care" on the poorest and most vulnerable in society and on those who will die waiting for an operation (like my dad did)... then I curse such people. The privileged and wealthy who back the Tories may not directly wish death upon the poor, the disabled, the sick, the mentally ill etc but Tory policies cause just this! I've heard estimates of hundreds just for those who committed suicide over having to leave their homes due to Tory bedroom tax! What's the worst that happens to Tories if a Labour gov gets in? Can't afford the Bahamas and have to slum it in the Canaries? Have to put off replacing the Bentley for another year? Oh dear what a pity never mind.....Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L
I have to say that my perception of this thread has taken a dive for the worst. There has been a veiled anti Irish aspect and less veiled anti Christian aspect and frankly I think it pretty hypocritical to lambast the DUP and then throw unpleasant bigoted views out at the same time just from a different angle.
The people of Northern Ireland are part of the UK, they have a right to have a say in the governance of the UK. After all London isn't a London centric dictatorship.... or is it? We have a UK democracy with some powers devolved, but London still calls the shots. The people of Wales, Scotland and Cornwall have a right so why not the folks of Ulster who identify as being British not Irish. I think most of the folks in the old kingdoms get annoyed when southern English complain about those countries having a say in English/London politics. Its the UK folks, keep that in mind. The capital is London and the UK is mostly ruled from London. No one from the other places should be excluded from a say in my view. To do so is arrogant and elitist.
The DUP would say they are respecters of the law and are not involved with terrorists, unlike Sinn Fein which is the political wing of the IRA, they are for all intents and purposes the IRA. Now some members of the DUP hold very conservative Christian views, which I personally as a Christian don't hold to or find very difficult. I also don't particularly want any political party to ram their views down others throats. Faith and what one believes or doesn't believe is a matter of conscience, and while it will inform individuals world views, how they vote, live etc I don't feel it should be forced on folks who don't share those views. Equally atheist views should not be rammed down folks throats either. Its a hard balancing act but governance should be for all.
Have the DUP in the past as a party and individuals within it crossed the line re involvement with Loyalist groups, yes they have, but the labour leader has been involved with and supported the IRA, PLO and other terrorists and there is also more than a whiff of anti Semitism to be found in Labour party politicians and others. Mainland parties are not clean either, having been in bed with world Governments and individuals who are not very savoury either. Has anyone in politics got totally clean hands ? Probably not.
At the minute currently I am disenfranchised politically as I can't vote DUP, will not vote Sinn Fein and the other parties are all but non existed. I do resent greatly that none of the mainland parties organise here, so NI politics are kept insular and at an arms length from the mainland politics. That is hardly fair.
Northern Ireland is a complicated topic but I would appreciate less of what I am perceiving as an anti Irish tone in this thread, whether intended or not that is how I am seeing it.
On a personal note I think those who don't believe in creation and God have greater faith than I do. Do I make nasty, hateful comments about their beliefs ? No I don't, so I would appreciate it if others kept faith out of this, and ridiculing faith too.
The cancer comment was by the way despicable.
Like many in the Labour movement, although not in the slightest anti Semitic, I support the struggle of the Palestinian people to regain their occupied country. An analogy; lets say Wales was invaded by a foreign power and then declared a "homeland" for lets say Hindu's... that the indigenous Welsh were then regarded as 2nd class citizens in their own country, that the best homes and farmland were seized from the Welsh and given to immigrant Hindu's, that the foreign power who made this happen then supplied the new immigrant population with such military technology that the Welsh could never even hope to successfully rise up against their occupiers... Is that fair, just or right? Not in my view! No country should exist based on a belief that only members of a certain religion will be full citizens with full rights and privileges and that goes for both Israel and any Islamic caliphate!!
Personally,yes I'm anti all religion, a belief I have every right to hold. All religions see only their own followers as being "truly worthy", as "the chosen ones", "god's people", "one from the 144 tribes" etc many see unbelievers as "unclean", "infidels", "blasphemers". So many wars throughout history have come about due to religion, including The Troubles!
On a wider note here Corbyn has tried to act as a peacemaker for decades and in order to do so has had to engage with some fairly unsavoury characters. At least he made the effort! Was he supposed to call IRA etc a pack of bastards, tell them he hates them, and then say now lets talk peace? Not going to work really is it.... Thatcher actually engaged with the IRA through intermediaries for years and then Major and Blair went on to get a peace deal. I wonder if the early intervention of Corbyn actually helped to pave the way for peace? Hopefully.
If I'm correctly interpreting that you believe in creationism then I am aghast! That the human race, the planet and the universe is only 10,000 years old? That dinosaurs didn't exist? That Darwin is completely wrong?
Reply With Quote
