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  1. #91
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    Now the plugs in question are being cited as "illegal". What excuses are we going to get next not to use them, I wonder? Perhaps their silver colour goes against someone's religion??

    I know...the seller 'sunnytoto' sounds like a gangster, doesn't he? Defo a bit dodgy, I'd say....

    Honestly, the amount of balloons there are in the world today beggars belief!!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    The thing that really makes me laugh is that Brian has been singled out for copying the config of the SSC, but using a different core cable. Brian arrived at the current config as a joint effort.
    I had tried the hot/cold conductors only as a quick and dirty test to see if the cable was worth pursuing. I couldn't be bothered messing with the screen at that point. It sounded pretty good to me. Brian asked how I had wired them up, and did the same. The results speak for themselves. So as Monty Python said "(He's not the Messiah.) He's a very naughty boy!" (I'll leave the rest out, but look it up if you want, it kind of feels appropriate).

    As a SSC is a shot gunned military grade coaxial comms cable, and the MC5000 is a balanced microphone cable, how is the config the same?
    The MC5000 double copper braided screen is not used. The plugs are different. The cables are different, so obviously the config is the same.

    I'm not a believer that different plugs in my system make a big difference. I have used the same plugs on the cheaper NVA interconnects, and I can't detect a big difference. I believe that these are brass.
    The MS Audio plugs are cheap, easy to solder and work well. Why bother looking elsewhere? You could spend more money on the plugs, but it won't give you a significant improvement.

    I have now soldered mine up single ended and didn't notice a big difference. OldPinkMan was here the other day and thought that I had a nicely balanced system (apart from when the QED SA went in - you can read more about that on TAS) so they must be working well, and that is to say that they neither add anything, or take anything away (A cable cannot add anything, other than interference throughout the length of the cable).
    Kevin

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    Thanks Kevin , it was indeed a collaboration of AOS members who arrived at this combination . I can't really claim the credit here , it was AOS working at its best .
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    Interconnects : MS Audio / Klotz MC5000 .
    Speaker cables : Western Electric 16AG

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    Most definitely high price does not mean better sound. My system is pretty modest and most of my cables are pretty modest to the point of miserly but it sounds great to me. Best it has ever sounded else I would have tried some of Brian,s cables...in fact I will someday when I can afford it.
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  5. #95
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    The main thing is that AoS has achieved a good neutral sounding IC at a ridiculously cheap price.
    I know people elsewhere are not happy, but when I was still a member there I posted my thoughts about my DIY cable over there in comparison to the SSC, where in my system the DIY cable sounded better, and they were far cheaper for me to make than for me to buy cables from manufacturers.
    Kevin

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  6. #96
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    Hehehe... And what reaction did you get?

    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    The main thing is that AoS has achieved a good neutral sounding IC at a ridiculously cheap price.
    Precisely, and *that* is all that matters. If some folk don't like it, then f*ck 'em. I couldn't care less! The same will be done again and again, and again if necessary, whenever we discover something that is truly worth shouting about. Simples

    And no-one will EVER shut us up!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  7. #97
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    Hi Kevin,
    Are you now using your MC5000's with the screen connected at one end ?
    A...
    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    The thing that really makes me laugh is that Brian has been singled out for copying the config of the SSC, but using a different core cable. Brian arrived at the current config as a joint effort.
    I had tried the hot/cold conductors only as a quick and dirty test to see if the cable was worth pursuing. I couldn't be bothered messing with the screen at that point. It sounded pretty good to me. Brian asked how I had wired them up, and did the same. The results speak for themselves. So as Monty Python said "(He's not the Messiah.) He's a very naughty boy!" (I'll leave the rest out, but look it up if you want, it kind of feels appropriate).

    As a SSC is a shot gunned military grade coaxial comms cable, and the MC5000 is a balanced microphone cable, how is the config the same?
    The MC5000 double copper braided screen is not used. The plugs are different. The cables are different, so obviously the config is the same.

    I'm not a believer that different plugs in my system make a big difference. I have used the same plugs on the cheaper NVA interconnects, and I can't detect a big difference. I believe that these are brass.
    The MS Audio plugs are cheap, easy to solder and work well. Why bother looking elsewhere? You could spend more money on the plugs, but it won't give you a significant improvement.

    I have now soldered mine up single ended and didn't notice a big difference. OldPinkMan was here the other day and thought that I had a nicely balanced system (apart from when the QED SA went in - you can read more about that on TAS) so they must be working well, and that is to say that they neither add anything, or take anything away (A cable cannot add anything, other than interference throughout the length of the cable).
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    Yes, I remade one end on all of the cables.
    No noticeable difference to me.
    Kevin

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    well,
    Thats re-assuring!
    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    Yes, I remade one end on all of the cables.
    No noticeable difference to me.
    "Today scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality"
    Nikola Tesla



    Its now a conspiracy theory to believe that the Immune system is capable of doing the job it was designed to do.
    A fish is only as healthy as the water its swimming in ! [Dr Robert Young]


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  10. #100
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    Yes, but are you not worried that the police might knock on your door and take all your cables away, because the plugs are "illegal", and that you're a VERY bad man for using them? [I mean, this is a serious botty spanking offence, you know!]

    Be afraid, be very afraid..... I hope you manage to get to sleep tonight for lying awake worrying about being a 'criminal'

    Fooking loons!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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