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    My TD-124 has just re-entered service after too long a break, but that long hiatus has allowed me to restore the thing to the highest degree possible (excepting cosmetics), using the best new parts available. So, it has benefited from:

    • New Swissonor Non-Magnetic Ferrous Platter
    • New Swissonor Top Platter (the old one has a slight warp)
    • Schopper Main Bearing (not new, but mint)
    • New Idler Wheel
    • Martin Bastin Variable PSU (enables the eddy brake to be removed)
    • Keystrobe LED Strobe Conversion
    • Jim Campbell solid CNC 'Ortofon' Style Conical Plinth


    Forgive me for not posting a photo just yet, as I have to tidy up some wires that need to be rejigged to accommodate the Keystrobe circuitry inside the plinth; also the plinth does need to be sanded and resprayed to remove a few dings that are my doing.

    So, having refitted the Audio Note Arm3 (II) and a ganz-neu Benz Wood SL that I bought before jetting off to Afghanistan, the TD-124 is now playing tunes again, via the (also ganz-neu) Ortofon ST-80SE SUT. It is sounding utterly, utterly sublime and is now as quiet as an idler can possibly be. Sinatra's "Live at the Sands" is playing as I type and there is such a lovely feeling of stability, calm and atmosphere. The Martin Bastin PSU was a bit of a punt on a hunch that the eddy brake does nothing for stability nor micro-dynamics and that hunch seems to have been borne out.

    After all the effort of polishing pulleys and tweaking idlers, I am very chuffed at how this old thing has turned out. I have learnt a great deal about what is good and not so good about this venerable turntable's design, which I am happy to share with anyone who has the time to listen!

    And, although I can't compare the Ortofon ST-80SE SUT with my old Bob's Devices SUT, I am very happy with what I'm hearing, so thank you Marco for pointing me towards a really good deal on the Ortofon.

    David (MCRU) has sent me some TQ Black Phono cables that will be tried out shortly - will they be better than the Mark Grant G2000HD?

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    Looking forward to the photos Hugo
    Sounds like a lot of work went into it
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    That's very interesting Hugo. I would imagine the Bastin supply provides a precise 50Hz frequency source, so avoiding the permitted frequency variation of the UK mains.

    Can we see some pictures?
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    That's very interesting Hugo. I would imagine the Bastin supply provides a precise 50Hz frequency source, so avoiding the permitted frequency variation of the UK mains.

    Can we see some pictures?
    Pictures in due course! The Martin Bastin PSU has two controls to adjust output voltage and the quartz-locked frequency either side of 50Hz. I don't know what degree of frequency adjustment is available, but it's certainly enough to get the platter running either too slow or too fast without the eddy brake fitted. It is possible to turn down the voltage from the max 240v to the point when the motor is clearly unhappy, so some tweakery by ear is needed with some really good piano music to find out what is the best setting.

    The PSU is the same as the one for Garrards, I believe.

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    Hugo,

    You will not be dissapointed with the ST80SE I have one and now wish I'd purchased something similar years ago!
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    Hi Hugo,

    Glad that your Thorens project has worked out so well for you - sounds interesting, so can't wait to see some nice pics!

    And, although I can't compare the Ortofon ST-80SE SUT with my old Bob's Devices SUT, I am very happy with what I'm hearing, so thank you Marco for pointing me towards a really good deal on the Ortofon.
    Nice one. It's a very high quality, musical sounding device, and matches all Ortofon cartridges perfectly. You'd struggle to find something better, so enjoy!

    David (MCRU) has sent me some TQ Black Phono cables that will be tried out shortly - will they be better than the Mark Grant G2000HD?
    The jury's out for me on the TQ stuff. Let's say that I'd be in no hurry to change my G2000HDs for it, but you may love how these cables tailor the sound. It’s best to judge them for yourself with your own ears in your own system. Let us know what you think.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Hugo,

    You will not be dissapointed with the ST80SE I have one and now wish I'd purchased something similar years ago!
    Did you eventually buy one then from Simon?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    The jury's out for me on the TQ stuff. Let's say that I'd be in no hurry to change my G2000HDs for it, but you may love how these cables tailor the sound. It’s best to judge them for yourself with your own ears in your own system. Let us know what you think.

    Marco.
    I must say that on first listen to the TQs, I tend to agree, but I must not leap to any instant conclusions.

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