Are we seeking the first signs of a culture of un-greed in our industry?

**Primalsea** · 07-01-2009, 22:47

It does make me laugh when people try to tell you that a £1000 peice of hifi is low end and then show you their very high priced , supposedly high end offering and it sounds utter shite. I'm sorry but a £1000 is a lot of money to any normal person if its not to you then please make out a cheque for £1000 to me. Oh I see £1000 is a lot of money now is it....

MartinT · 07-01-2009, 22:47

Originally Posted by Marco

The Sony X-777ES CDP I use as a transport weighs 17kg and I can assure you that it's not full of bricks!

My Sony SCD-1 weighed 26.5kg. I couldn't believe how heavy it was every time I picked it up. Beautifully made as the Ayre is, it's a lightweight in comparison (12kg).

**Marco** · 07-01-2009, 22:54

My Sony SCD-1 weighed 26.5kg

That's interesting, Martin. There must have been a dead body (or something) in there right enough because your 12kg Ayre trounced it

It's not all about weight, of course... Anyone can make something heavy, but I trust the point I was making is clear.

Marco.

**Marco** · 07-01-2009, 22:59

Often it appears too that people buy kit purely for looks, but why do that? a bit sad. I believe that there are far too many companies making fools of people with more money than sense, and that much of the available "budget" hifi gear is on a par sonically with the high price "esoteric" gear. Now don't get me wrong here, there are I am sure lots of stuff that goes some way to justifying it's eye-watering prices,but fancy cases do not in themselves good hifi make

Hear hear, Steve!

It does make me laugh when people try to tell you that a £1000 peice of hifi is low end and then show you their very high priced , supposedly high end offering and it sounds utter shite.

Indeed, Paul. I've also experienced that many times myself

Marco.

**Marco** · 08-01-2009, 01:41

Just noticed this...

Originally Posted by Howard Popeck (Stereonow)

A bit PFM, that comment. Strangely, I can't find the time to read every thread. Would that I could. But I can't. Yes, ignorance still exists at Stereonow. If it didn't, then what would be the point of me seeking enlightenment, hmm?

Howard, this is precisely why AOS has been very carefully 'catalogued' into relevant sections so that anyone seeking information on, say, turntables simply clicks on the 'Analogue Art' section where there is nothing but that type of discussion. Strangely enough, you'll find things written about the Technics 1210 in there - quite a lot actually!

And there's also the search facility which gives you access to the forum's complete archive...

Marco.

**Covenant** · 08-01-2009, 10:04

I feel duty bound to mention the Trends TA 101 amplifier. At less than £150 its a real star providing you have reasonably efficient speakers. Its so popular tweaks are available in the way of better capacitors, binding posts etc.
If you are looking for an amp for a smaller room or just a stopgap until something tasty comes your way then this one is worth trying.
http://www.desktopaudio.co.uk/trendsta10.1.html

**Peter Stockwell** · 08-01-2009, 10:07

Howard,

It is indeed a shame that the offer has been pulled. I can't helping thinking that you and Steve got into one of those forum disputes because you inferred something that he may not have implied. Fora are a hotbed of miscommunication.

Anyway, I still love your editorial style and the perspective that you bring here.

**Marco** · 08-01-2009, 10:10

Hear hear, Peter.

It's just one of those things that happen on forums from time to time. Howard, we lurves ya!

Marco.

MartinT · 08-01-2009, 10:15

May I put a bid in for the Gram Amp 2SE? It's one very fine phono amp for just £200 and further upgradable with the PSU1-24 when funds permit.

**Peter Stockwell** · 08-01-2009, 10:21

Marco,

I still think, too, that you affirmation that 90% of hi-priced hi-end gear is crap is, and I'm searching for the right words here, blinkered and dogmatic.

I don't deny that, for example, going from CDX2/XPS2/282/Hi to CDS3/555PS/282/SuperCap is not only obscenely expensive, but can only bring marginal improvements in musical terms. Naim are often accused of being poor value for money, particularly when it comes to the Chinese sourced components that are inside.

But developing high end gear, is as much that, i.e. development that has to be recouped somewhere. Now, there's also the school of thought that says that Hifi has no right to be a business, and as such all exchanges and commerce ought to be between true enthusiasts.

Anyways, nought wrong with lively debate is there?

cheers

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