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    It might make complete sense, Howard, but quite a lot of it in my experience doesn't actually happen!

    All of this makes complete sense to me, and should I hope make sense to everyone who attends audio exhibitions. Meanwhile, how might exhibition organisers get 'new blood' to visit?
    That's a difficult one, and it's not going to happen overnight. You have to get younger people, say, in the 20-35 year old bracket 'turned on' to high-end hi-fi instead of buying plastic systems from Tescos.

    One thing I would do, and you mentioned advertising elsewhere, is for manufacturers and dealers to start advertising in music magazines such as UNCUT, etc, instead of in hi-fi magazines, because they have a massively higher, younger, target audience and if you can get those people interested in 'proper' hi-fi then you're half way to curing the problem.

    Basically what needs to be done is to change the whole image of hi-fi shows from the ground up and make them less 'geeky'. I'm quite sure there are plenty of younger people who would attend but who avoid them like the plague because of their image. I've got friends who are into music, and quite into hi-fi (not like me, though) who think I'm mad going to these shows because they're full of sad old men walking around with carrier bags.

    The whole outlook and experience of shows needs to be more up-to-date and designed to appeal to a younger audience, therefore advertising must be slicker and more creative by the organisers, and exhibitors must be more in tune with what younger people want. Hi-fi shows currently have too much of a stuffy, elitist image, and it is that which puts 'normal' people off attending.

    To get younger people to go probably means introducing much more in the way of computer based audio and less traditional hi-fi. Crucially, I think there also needs to be more of a music orientated approach to shows, perhaps with some (good) live music being part of the event to encourage younger people to come, then people like you can try to get them into the hi-fi side of things when they visit your room and are blown away by the sound!

    Trust me, young people like good sound, too. I have teenage relatives who come and visit regularly and are amazed by how good their CDs sound on my system. They also think that vinyl is cool, and thus so are turntables, so there would probably be a good opportunity to sell younger people a half decent turntable to play their 12" mixes on, providing they play at 45

    I've got loads of ideas of what I would do if I was organising these events. In a relatively short space of time they could easily be successful and profitable to all parties concerned but for that to happen a gust of fresh air needs to blow away the dusty old cobwebs...

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    Marco. Are you serious about UNCUT? I was led to believe that it was the official journal of SAC - the Society Against Circumcision. I have it seems been grievously mislead as I had concluded it had nothing to do with music.

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    LOL. Very good!

    Btw, your earlier point about Shadow Audio was hilarious (although unfortunate). I'll explain why later. Right now I need to do some work for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post


    One thing I would do, and you mentioned advertising elsewhere, is for manufacturers and dealers to start advertising in music magazines such as UNCUT, etc, instead of in hi-fi magazines, because they have a massively higher, younger, target audience and if you can get those people interested in 'proper' hi-fi then you're half way to curing the problem.


    I'd agree with this and would do it if I could afford to. The problem is that these magazines have far higher circulations than any of the HiFi mags and advertising rates are commensurately higher too. I'm surprised more of the larger manufacturers don't do it though. Perhaps even they take the view that a larger number of the readers of a low circulation HiFi mag (people who are obviously interested in hardware) might be swayed by their adverts than would the readers of a music magazine (who perhaps aren't so interested) It would also take a prolonged spell of such advertising for any manufacturers or retailers to really make an impression.



    Patricia Barber, Howard? You deserved every decibel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure sound View Post
    Patricia Barber, Howard? You deserved every decibel!
    Having to listen to music like this is the exact reason I've stopped going to shows - it's wrong in every possible way. I've bene to 1 in 8 years and I don't plan going to another.

    A shame as these things should appeal to people like me.

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    And thereīs me, really taking to Ms. Barberīs Night Club since replacing my Black Cube with my P10 and before I couldnīt stand it. Just shows, dunnit.

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    Cafe Blue is supposed to be a good test disc.

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    Keith,

    Off to Top Milan as well then, see you there :-)
    Then back on the Thursday for setting up at Heathrow, going to be a very busy week!
    A lot of changes are planned for the Heathrow show, with a lot of creditable input coming from the exhibitors themselves, over the last 9 months or so a good deal of planning and ideas from the dealers/public/exhibitors have been aired and put into action for this coming show.
    It will be more of an event/entertainment for all, then just another 'Hifi show'. I would agree it would be nice to approach either Top Milan or Munich, however it can happen, though it will take a little time. Things are changing for the better, family entertainment/ inside industry events/ genuine competitions with quality prizes/ more reasonable pricing on food and drink / quite areas to chill out in, are all on the cards.
    It is starting to come together and will be worth the effort to attend.
    We are in the Garros room with a few brand new world class toys being debuted.
    Good debate this one
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    "Having to listen to music like this is the exact reason I've stopped going to shows - it's wrong in every possible way"

    Not quite clear where the word "having' comes into this? The exit was never more than a few steps way in my room. Anyway ......

    Do I detect just a whiff of musical elitism here? I do hope not.

    Those of you who attended my room at the show might recall that not only did I regularly invite members of the audience to let me play their own choice of music (some of the heavy duty quality Blue Note Jazz vinyl reissues were terrific) but also what tracks on my own CDs they’d like to hear.

    Given that I had a number of repeat visitors and quite a few who told me that in total they’d spent at least one hour in my room, it is relevant to point out that by far the biggest number of requests was for ‘Bye Bye Blackbird’ by Patricia Barber off her ‘Nightclub’ CD.

    As for me, I don’t believe I have the authority, arrogance nor temerity to insist that anyone and everyone must listen to only the pieces I want to play. It doesn't happen in my demos and it doesn’t happen at my room at exhibitions either.


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    Just a thought but would car mags not be a good place to advertise as a high proportion of young drivers spend a fair bit on car hifi if the link was made between the quality of what was listened to in car compared to the house it may stir some interest

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