Ripping Guide

[RockAddict]

Good work John - one point I would make though is that you need to keep the original CDs if you want to stay legal with copywrite - technically if you no longer own the CD you shouldn't keep the ripped version.

I found Alex's post and thought it may be of interest to share some information about a change in UK law relating to copying and backing up music.

Strictly speaking, prior to 1st June 2014, it has been illegal to make copies of music, even for personal use. However, that has changed.

From 1st June 2014, there were changes to the UK law relating to the copying of copyright works for personal use (doesn't apply to computer programs). Insofar as music is concerned, it is now legal for a person to copy/rip music for backing up purposes or to format shift (e.g. rip a CD to a FLAC / WAV / MP3 files) so long as:

1) it is strictly for personal use, and

2) the person making the copy permanently owns a legitimate version of the source material being copied.

If the person disposes of or sells the original legitimate source, all copies held by that person must be deleted / destroyed.

Some CDs and DVDs have copyright protection mechanisms to prevent ripping. It will remain illegal to break such mechanisms BUT there is a provision in the new legislation (at least in the draft - check first) that provides recourse in cases where the "restrictive measure" by the copyright owner "unreasonably prevents" copying for personal use. [Personal view: in theory, this means record companies won't be able to refuse reasonable requests to allow copying by operating blanket ("fettering") policies to maintain the status quo].

The law remains substantively unchanged in respect of sharing (even to relatives) - that remains illegal. The DRAFT legislation (there have been some amendments since, so beware!), along with some guides giving an overview, are currently on the website of the Intellectual Property Office:

www.ipo.gov.uk/copyright-exceptions.htm

In particular:

Consumer guides : www.ipo.gov.uk/copyright-guidance-consumers.pdf

The DRAFT regulations* : www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/9780111112700

* amending the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988

There endeth a nice, jolly, light post for a Sunday morning .

[windhoek]

Some CDs and DVDs have copyright protection mechanisms to prevent ripping. It will remain illegal to break such mechanisms BUT there is a provision in the new legislation (at least in the draft - check first) that provides recourse in cases where the "restrictive measure" by the copyright owner "unreasonably prevents" copying for personal use. [Personal view: in theory, this means record companies won't be able to refuse reasonable requests to allow copying by operating blanket ("fettering") policies to maintain the status quo].

The law remains substantively unchanged in respect of sharing (even to relatives) - that remains illegal. The DRAFT legislation (there have been some amendments since, so beware!), along with some guides giving an overview, are currently on the website of the Intellectual Property Office:

www.ipo.gov.uk/copyright-exceptions.htm

In particular:

Consumer guides : www.ipo.gov.uk/copyright-guidance-consumers.pdf

The DRAFT regulations* : www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/9780111112700

* amending the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988

There endeth a nice, jolly, light post for a Sunday morning .

I wonder what that means for those such as myself who have hardware with SACD ripping capabilities; I'm referring of course to a PS3 and the scarlet/ hi-res layer of SACDs. As Szell asks, 'Is it safe'?

[RockAddict]

Well, only 4 months later... .

In my (non lawyer) opinion, I suspect the correct route to rip SACD in accordance with the law would be this:

1) wannabe ripper (WR) contacts the record company and expressly asks for permission to rip for personal use.

2) if the record company refuses without good reason (highly probable), WR contacts the Intellectual Property Office and asks for help.

3) several years later, an "amicable agreement" is reached between the IPO and the record industry.

4) in the meantime, someone has finally found a way to (easily) crack SACDs and everyone who is interested is already doing it in any case.

5) in the meantime (2): the cunning record industry have come up with another method of copy protection, stating it complies with UK law when, quite obviously, it doesn't. At this point, if we're still alive, it's back to "2)" above...

I am not cynical. Merely realistic....

[struth]

Fortunately I dont buy many cd's and the ones I do buy have not been affected....so far......stick with vinyl lads

[MCRU]

Well, only 4 months later... .

In my (non lawyer) opinion, I suspect the correct route to rip SACD in accordance with the law would be this:

1) wannabe ripper (WR) contacts the record company and expressly asks for permission to rip for personal use.

2) if the record company refuses without good reason (highly probable), WR contacts the Intellectual Property Office and asks for help.

3) several years later, an "amicable agreement" is reached between the IPO and the record industry.

4) in the meantime, someone has finally found a way to (easily) crack SACDs and everyone who is interested is already doing it in any case.

5) in the meantime (2): the cunning record industry have come up with another method of copy protection, stating it complies with UK law when, quite obviously, it doesn't. At this point, if we're still alive, it's back to "2)" above...

I am not cynical. Merely realistic....

There are 6 billion people on the planet, are the copyright police knocking on your door? Think not, what a load of nonsense.

[Marco]

It's the fuse Police that'll get you in the end, though....

Marco.

[Clive197]

It's the fuse Police that'll get you in the end, though....

Marco.

Eh!

[Jankoff]

I have a practical question. Explanation first. It is common knowledge that wav files copied from a CD to a hdd do not perform well, unless ripped by special software. But is this valid also when you need to move wavs from one hdd to another? I am generally being told it is. To check, I copy-pasted several wav files with the Windows file manager from one hdd to another. Then listened to all of them (on the new hdd) carefully. Surprisingly for me, they all played well (through Stan's Asynch-1) and did not show any abnormality. No interruptions, no pops, no other noise. Found no difference in sound quality from the initial ones. But should I really take this to be generally valid? Or, to ask the question properly: is it OK to transfer wavs from one hdd to another by simple copy-paste, or do you need to use special software, like when you need to make an exact copy of a bootable hdd?
Thanks in advance.

[drpetar]

... is it OK to transfer wavs from one hdd to another by simple copy-paste, or do you need to use special software...?

The short answer is yes, you can copy wavs using copy-paste and you don't need any specific software. You need special software only when ripping files from CD.

[Jankoff]

The short answer is yes, you can copy wavs using copy-paste and you don't need any specific software. You need special software only when ripping files from CD.

Merci, благодаря, thank you.